Only major signs of Qiyamah left?

[adeel_alvi]

Salam ppl

I thought this would be interesting to discuss.

do you ppl think that all the minor signs of Qiyamah have happened and now only the major signs remain?

I think so...:rubeyes:

Well, Allah knows best. :ahb: :lailah:

[Weapon]

I know i'm not muslim but yeah, I think most if not all of the minor signs have passed. The Christian and Muslim Signs a pretty much the same I've been led to believe.

[Arsalan]

n0, because only Allah knows best.

[tangents]

I don't think all the minor signs have past. My speculation is that in the coming decades/centuries will most likely be the last. Some combination of global warming/lack of OIL will lead to Chaos. Anyway The major signs which really scrares me is whenthe Sun rises from the West; and I recently read and article from a science institute that confirms that the Earth, like the other planets, will experience it sooner or later.

This day and age is the Beginning of the End. The Pre-stages have already started to role, it's only a matter of time before it all falls through like dominos. However I don't think we (our generation) will live to wittness it; which might be a good thing >.>;

[Al-ghurabah]

from various hadeeth you can see that majority of the minor signs have gone or happening now. we are waiting for one of the major signs once it comes they will all start to occure .... may allah make us strong in our imaan. and make us strong agasint all the evil.

[Al Qadr]

from various hadeeth you can see that majority of the minor signs have gone or happening now. we are waiting for one of the major signs once it comes they will all start to occure .... may allah make us strong in our imaan. and make us strong agasint all the evil.


Insha'Allah. Ameen.

Yeah, they will come so fast one after another its going to be chaos.

[ITUT]

yes i agree with akhi Al-ghurabah i think all the minor signs have happened we are just waiting for the first major sign & it could be the appearance of AL-MAHDI as brother Moayidd say he is already here on earth it could happen any time now , check this video for more info :


http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7956471036957620412&q=al+mahdi

[Abu Mus'ab]

most of the minor signs of qiyaamah has already passed now we are just waiting for the first major sign.

but most of the muslims are going to become kaafirs before even half of the major signs will happen.

[Weapon]

most of the minor signs of qiyaamah has already passed now we are just waiting for the first major sign.

but most of the muslims are going to become kaafirs before even half of the major signs will happen.

Am I right in thinking the Jesus upon his return will convert the Christians to Islam according to the hadith?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Am I right in thinking the Jesus upon his return will convert the Christians to Islam according to the hadith?

No By The Time Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Come Back Down To Earth Dajjal Will Have Already Appeared And Then It Will Be Too Late For Them To Convert To Islam.

[Weapon]

No By The Time Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Come Back Down To Earth Dajjal Will Have Already Appeared And Then It Will Be Too Late For Them To Convert To Islam.

I thought that the time when repentance will no longer be accepted was when the sun rose from the west. And I thought that Jesus would come before that day?

[Abu Mus'ab]

I thought that the time when repentance will no longer be accepted was when the sun rose from the west. And I thought that Jesus would come before that day?

yes you are right repentence will not be accepted once the sun rises from the west and yes Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam will have come before that day but because of the fitnah of dajjal the world will flock behind him believing that he is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala and then they will be too blinded by dajjal to know the truth.

[Weapon]

yes you are right repentence will not be accepted once the sun rises from the west and yes Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam will have come before that day but because of the fitnah of dajjal the world will flock behind him believing that he is Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala and then they will be too blinded by dajjal to know the truth.

ahh, I see. I just read it somewhere the other day that Jesus will convert the true Christians to Islam but I can't find the thread now, I've tried a search but can't find it.

[Abu Mus'ab]

ahh, I see. I just read it somewhere the other day that Jesus will convert the true Christians to Islam but I can't find the thread now, I've tried a search but can't find it.

maybe,but it will only be the true ones who will be ready to accept Islam.

but while we are on the topic of qiyaamah do you know how many people will follow Imam Mahdi.

[Weapon]

maybe,but it will only be the true ones who will be ready to accept Islam.

but while we are on the topic of qiyaamah do you know how many people will follow Imam Mahdi.

I don't actually, I know it's supposed to be just one of the 72/72 sects. But I don't know how many.

Do you?

[Abu Mus'ab]

I don't actually, I know it's supposed to be just one of the 72/72 sects. But I don't know how many.

Do you?

before we come to that how much do you know about Imam Mahdi?

[Weapon]

before we come to that how much do you know about Imam Mahdi?

Not too much, I think he'll come from Syria won't he and lead the muslims in a long war against the dajjal? Perhaps you could elaborate.

[Weapon]

Double post

[Abu Mus'ab]

Not that much, I think he'll come from Syria won't he, and lead the Muslims in a war against the dajjal.

Perhaps you could elaborate for me?

okay let me try to explain as much as i can without having to go too much in to depth detail.
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Imam Mahdi's Real Name Is Muhammad

His Fathers Name Is Abdullah

His Mothers Name Is Amina

He Is A Sayyid (Ofspring Of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam)

He Will Come From Saudi Arabia

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now regarding him coming from syria that is wrong

Imam Mahdi Will Emerge From The Blessed Land Of Khurasaan (Afghanistan)

His Army Will Be People With Black Turbans And Black Flags

Ask your self the question who in the whole history of the world has ever had black flags besides Al Qaida?

And Who Is Famous For their Black Turbans?The Afghans Of Course.

now you understand why i said most of the muslims will become kaafirs.

they will reject Imam Mahdi and they will fall prey to dajjal.

you know how many people supports Al Qaida And The Talibaan?

And Even The Hadith Of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam Says It Clearly "When Imam Mahdi Appears You Must Leave Everything and Rush To Join Him Eveen If You Have To Crawl Over Ice"

now which place is there that you have to crawl over ice to reach Afghanistan of course you have to crawl over the hindu kush mountains which is covered in ice.

also when Imam Mahdi Come All The Ice In The World Will Melt So Which Shows You That You Have To Join Now Already To Be Saved.

also did you know that september the 11 is also one of the signs of Qiyaamah?

the sign is that people will flood into islam like if they are being beaten with a stick (parapharased by me because i cant remember the origional words)

you know yourself how many people accepted Islam After Sept 11.

also regarding Harith-Harath (the lion hearted farmer) after him comes Imam Mahdi and what does Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Mean?
The Lion Hearted Farmer.

also when Imam Mahdi Emerge From Khurasaan His Army Will Number 313 Exactly The Same Amount That Was Present At The Battle Of Badr.

and after Imam Mahdi Comes Then Only Will Dajjal Come And Shortly After Dajjal Comes Hazrat Esa alayhis Salaam He Will Break The Cross Kill all the Pigs(Im Talking about The Animals Here) And He Will Slay Dajjal.

but when Imam Mahdi Comes Then He Will Lead The Muslims Against The Kufaar And That Is When The Clash Of Civilizations Will Take Place.

It Is Said That A Bird Will Not Be Able To Fly From One Side Of The BattleField To The Other Without Falling Dead From The Steanch Of The Rotting Corpses.

also Before The Coming Of Imam Mahdi Harith-Harath (The Lion Hearted Farmer) Will Die,A Short While After His Death Imam Mahdi Will Emerge.
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This Is Just A Short Tale Of What Is Coming It Goes Far Longer.

but my mind is too full right now at the moment so as soon as i remember anything i will post it here.Insha Allah.

[Weapon]

okay let me try to explain as much as i can without having to go too much in to depth detail.
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Imam Mahdi's Real Name Is Muhammad

His Fathers Name Is Abdullah

His Mothers Name Is Amina

He Is A Sayyid (Ofspring Of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam)

He Will Come From Saudi Arabia

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now regarding him coming from syria that is wrong

Imam Mahdi Will Emerge From The Blessed Land Of Khurasaan (Afghanistan)

His Army Will Be People With Black Turbans And Black Flags

Ask your self the question who in the whole history of the world has ever had black flags besides Al Qaida?

And Who Is Famous For their Black Turbans?The Afghans Of Course.

now you understand why i said most of the muslims will become kaafirs.

they will reject Imam Mahdi and they will fall prey to dajjal.

you know how many people supports Al Qaida And The Talibaan?

And Even The Hadith Of Hazrat Muhammad Sallallahu Alayhi Wa Sallam Says It Clearly "When Imam Mahdi Appears You Must Leave Everything and Rush To Join Him Eveen If You Have To Crawl Over Ice"

now which place is there that you have to crawl over ice to reach Afghanistan of course you have to crawl over the hindu kush mountains which is covered in ice.

also when Imam Mahdi Come All The Ice In The World Will Melt So Which Shows You That You Have To Join Now Already To Be Saved.

also did you know that september the 11 is also one of the signs of Qiyaamah?

the sign is that people will flood into islam like if they are being beaten with a stick (parapharased by me because i cant remember the origional words)

you know yourself how many people accepted Islam After Sept 11.

also regarding Harith-Harath (the lion hearted farmer) after him comes Imam Mahdi and what does Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Mean?
The Lion Hearted Farmer.

also when Imam Mahdi Emerge From Khurasaan His Army Will Number 313 Exactly The Same Amount That Was Present At The Battle Of Badr.

and after Imam Mahdi Comes Then Only Will Dajjal Come And Shortly After Dajjal Comes Hazrat Esa alayhis Salaam He Will Break The Cross Kill all the Pigs(Im Talking about The Animals Here) And He Will Slay Dajjal.

but when Imam Mahdi Comes Then He Will Lead The Muslims Against The Kufaar And That Is When The Clash Of Civilizations Will Take Place.

It Is Said That A Bird Will Not Be Able To Fly From One Side Of The BattleField To The Other Without Falling Dead From The Steanch Of The Rotting Corpses.

also Before The Coming Of Imam Mahdi Harith-Harath (The Lion Hearted Farmer) Will Die,A Short While After His Death Imam Mahdi Will Emerge.
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This Is Just A Short Tale Of What Is Coming It Goes Far Longer.

but my mind is too full right now at the moment so as soon as i remember anything i will post it here.Insha Allah.

That all sounds a little far fetched but, I guess, what end times prophecy doesn't??

Not too sure about the bin laden thing though.... So when bin laden (lion hearted farmer) dies, Imam Mahdi will come? so Is imam mahdi on the side of bin laden now? Does he know who he is or who he will become?

[*Sweety*]

Yes i think the minor signs have passed.

[ITUT]

also regarding Harith-Harath (the lion hearted farmer) after him comes Imam Mahdi and what does Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Mean?
The Lion Hearted Farmer.
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akhi alsalam alaikom,

i have 2 questions regarding what you said in the quote above:

1- where does itsay that Harith-harath will come before AL-Mahdi ,as i never read anything about him before ??

2-how did you figure out osama bin-ladin means (the lion hearted farmer) ??

looking forward to your reply

salam alaikom

[Abu Mus'ab]

That all sounds a little far fetched but, I guess, what end times prophecy doesn't??

Not too sure about the bin laden thing though.... So when bin laden (lion hearted farmer) dies, Imam Mahdi will come? so Is imam mahdi on the side of bin laden now? Does he know who he is or who he will become?

Yes Imam Mahdi Will Be On Al Qaida And The Talibaan's Side.

[Abu Mus'ab]

akhi alsalam alaikom,

i have 2 questions regarding what you said in the quote above:

1- where does itsay that Harith-harath will come before AL-Mahdi ,as i never read anything about him before ??

2-how did you figure out osama bin-ladin means (the lion hearted farmer) ??

looking forward to your reply

salam alaikom

I Read IT In A Kitaab Once And Many Shuyookh Have Said That Sheikh Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Is The One That Was Spoken About.

[Abu Mus'ab]

oh and maybe because i can understand Arabic.

[ITUT]

al salam alaikom

akhi here is a link to the AL-MAHDI thread by our brother Moayidd & is totaly different to the info you provided,there is NO Harith-Harath or even the mention of Bin-Ladin,please read & tell me what you think of it

http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=69897

salam alaikom

[Weapon]

Yes Imam Mahdi Will Be On Al Qaida And The Talibaan's Side.

Do you have any hadith to back this up. I just can't see Jesus siding with a terrorist mastermind.

Not sure about the Taliban, I have mixed feelings about them but bin laden?

Slightly off topic but could you tell me who made Bin Laden a sheikh or what makes him a sheikh?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Do you have any hadith to back this up. I just can't see Jesus siding with a terrorist mastermind.

Not sure about the Taliban, I have mixed feelings about them but bin laden?

Slightly off topic but could you tell me who made Bin Laden a sheikh or what makes him a sheikh?

"This group will belong to Khurasan and they will be wearing black turbans"... "From Khurasan will emerge black flags, whom none will be able to turn back (and they, the flag bearers, will continue moving forward) till they reach Illya (Jerusalem) and embed their flags into its earth" (Tirmizi)

The Black turbans Are The Talibaan.

And The Black Flags Are Al Qaida.

do you know what is the meaning of the word shiekh?

[Weapon]

"This group will belong to Khurasan and they will be wearing black turbans"... "From Khurasan will emerge black flags, whom none will be able to turn back (and they, the flag bearers, will continue moving forward) till they reach Illya (Jerusalem) and embed their flags into its earth" (Tirmizi)

The Black turbans Are The Talibaan.

And The Black Flags Are Al Qaida.

do you know what is the meaning of the word shiekh?

No, that's why I asked you what made him one?

Also, Why does it have to be Al Qaeda with the black flags? I though Islam had 2 flags, one for peacetime and one for wartime? Surely the black wartime flag could be carried by anyone?

[Abu Mus'ab]

No, that's why I asked you what made him one?

Also, Why does it have to be Al Qaeda with the black flags? I though Islam had 2 flags, one for peacetime and one for wartime? Surely the black wartime flag could be carried by anyone?

So Far There Has Never Been Anyone Besides Al Qaida That Has Had Black Flags.

[Weapon]

So Far There Has Never Been Anyone Besides Al Qaida That Has Had Black Flags.

So far, but perhaps a more noble group may take them instead?

So what is it anyway that makes bin laden a sheikh?

[Abu Mus'ab]

So far, but perhaps a more noble group may take them instead?

So what is it anyway that makes bin laden a sheikh?

I Highly Doubt That Because Al Qaida Is Much More Noble Than Any Other Other Group That There Is.

You Wont Even Be Able To Comprehend His Greatness And Why He Is Called Shiekh Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa'ah)

[Weapon]

I Highly Doubt That Because Al Qaida Is Much More Noble Than Any Other Other Group That There Is.

You Wont Even Be Able To Comprehend His Greatness And Why He Is Called Shiekh Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa'ah)

Ok, maybe I won't be able to comprehend his so called greatness, but who actually made him a Sheikh?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Ok, maybe I won't be able to comprehend his so called greatness, but who actually made him a Sheikh?

The Muslims and When I Say Muslims I Dont Mean Modernists.

[Weapon]

The Muslims and When I Say Muslims I Dont Mean Modernists.

So it's not something that's decided by scholars or anyone with any authority, just some random people who believe that what he is doing is right?

[Abu Mus'ab]

So it's not something that's decided by scholars or anyone with any authority, just some random people who believe that what he is doing is right?

Poelple With Great authority Have Called Him Shiekh.

Who Are The Scholars That You Speak Of?

[Weapon]

I don't know, that's why I asked.

Who are the people of authority anyway that have called him a sheikh? And what authority do they hold?

[Abu Mus'ab]

I don't know, that's why I asked.

Who are the people of authority anyway that have called him a sheikh? And what authority do they hold?

Well For Starters Shiekh Abdullah Azzam (Rahimahullah) Shiekh Ayman Al Zawahiri (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah)
Shiekh Sulaiman Abu Ghaith (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah)
And Hundreds Of Shuyookh From Saudi Arabia

[Weapon]

Well For Starters Shiekh Abdullah Azzam (Rahimahullah) Shiekh Ayman Al Zawahiri (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah)
Shiekh Sulaiman Abu Ghaith (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah)
And Hundreds Of Shuyookh From Saudi Arabia

So what are the qualities that make a Sheikh? And what does this title say about you or earn you?

[Abu Mus'ab]

So what are the qualities that make a Sheikh? And what does this title say about you or earn you?

What does the title priest or bishop say about you or earn you?

[Weapon]

What does the title priest or bishop say about you or earn you?

It says that you preach Christianity and that you have a job with the Church.

Is that a trick question?

So are you trying to say that a Sheikh is the Islamic equivelant of a priest or bishop? Cause I though that was an Imam?

[ITUT]

weapon the title sheikh is not used only for islamic scholars but is also used as a title for the head of the tribe.for example the sheikh rulers of the arabic gulf countries like kuwait,uae,bahrain,qatar these are not islamic scholars but are head of the tribe sheikhs.

[EbuZerr]

May Allah help us to protect our iman against fitneh of Deccal... Prophet (sav) watched a child during his time for a time period because he suspected from him as he could be deccal.. Deccal is the worst...

[Weapon]

weapon the title sheikh is not used only for islamic scholars but is also used as a title for the head of the tribe.for example the sheikh rulers of the arabic gulf countries like kuwait,uae,bahrain,qatar these are not islamic scholars but are head of the tribe sheikhs.

Aah, thanks, now I understand!! :up:

So he is a shiekh, but a sheikh doesn't mean jack.

[ITUT]

i think abu musab referring to osama bin laden as sheikh al-mujahedeen (the head of the mujahedeen) & not as islamic scholar.

[Weapon]

i think abu musab referring to osama bin laden as sheikh al-mujahedeen (the head of the mujahedeen) & not as islamic scholar.

Oh right,

But Bin Laden isn't the head of the Mujahideen is he?? He's the head of Al qaeda, which is a terrorist organisation.

In fact, who are the real Mujahideen?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Oh right,

But Bin Laden isn't the head of the Mujahideen is he?? He's the head of Al qaeda, which is a terrorist organisation.

In fact, who are the real Mujahideen?

Shiekh Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Is The Leader Of The Mujahideen And Al Qaida Are The True Mujahideen.

I Dont Expect You To Understand It Because You Are Not A Muslim.

[Weapon]

Shiekh Osama Bin Ladin (Hafidahullahu Wa Ra'ah) Is The Leader Of The Mujahideen And Al Qaida Are The True Mujahideen.

I Dont Expect You To Understand It Because You Are Not A Muslim.

What makes you think that a terrorist organisation is the true Mujahideen? Shouldn't they abide by the Islamic rules of engagement then if they are? Like not killing non combatants? Not planning terror attacks on innocent civillians? Not killing people where they pray etc???

[m-shahzad]

What makes you think that a terrorist organisation is the true Mujahideen? Shouldn't they abide by the Islamic rules of engagement then if they are? Like not killing non combatants? Not planning terror attacks on innocent civillians? Not killing people where they pray etc???
Islam doesn't allow to kill innocent people wether they r muslim or non-muslims

[Weapon]

Islam doesn't allow to kill innocent people wether they r muslim or non-muslims

I thought not mate.

[m-shahzad]

How it comes?

[ITUT]

Oh right,

In fact, who are the real Mujahideen?

mujahideen are the muslims fighting in chechinya against the russian invasion,in palestine against the zionest occupiers,in iraq & afghanistan against the american invasion. these muslims give thier lifes in jihad to defend against armies who invade muslim lands,jihad is not what happen in 7/7 in london thats no jihad killing innocent people,alqaeda should not use the same way to respond(kill our innocents & we kill yours) thats wrong. & two wrong dont make a right.

there is different forms of jihad,jihad with money,jihad with life,jihad with soul ...etc,jihad is everything a muslim do & give his/her best effort in doing it seeking the acceptance of allah swt,even when muslims struggle & hold on to thier believes thats also a form of jihad.

[MG]

What makes you think that a terrorist organisation is the true Mujahideen? Shouldn't they abide by the Islamic rules of engagement then if they are? Like not killing non combatants? Not planning terror attacks on innocent civillians? Not killing people where they pray etc???

weapon , who has labelled them a "terrorist organisation" teh western govts right? now they would say that wouldnt they? anyting a muslim does to defedn their people is labelled "terrorism"

[Weapon]

mujahideen are the muslims fighting in chechinya against the russian invasion,in palestine against the zionest occupiers,in iraq & afghanistan against the american invasion. these muslims give thier lifes in jihad to defend against armies who invade muslim lands,jihad is not what happen in 7/7 in london thats no jihad killing innocent people,alqaeda should not use the same way to respond(kill our innocents & we kill yours) thats wrong. & two wrong dont make a right.

there is different forms of jihad,jihad with money,jihad with life,jihad with soul ...etc,jihad is everything a muslim do & give his/her best effort in doing it seeking the acceptance of allah swt,even when muslims struggle & hold on to thier believes thats also a form of jihad.

And that was my exact understanding of it all!!

I need say no more!

[Weapon]

weapon , who has labelled them a "terrorist organisation" teh western govts right? now they would say that wouldnt they? anyting a muslim does to defedn their people is labelled "terrorism"

I have, I've labelled them terrorists since they started bombing embassies and trains and (maybe) the world trade center.

I agree totally with what ITUT said, the Mujahideen are the ones fighting oppression. I may not agree with it all but largely yes, the Muja in Chechnya, in Iraq, etc. Not Al qaeda who bomb innocent people or marketplaces or mosques.

[Abu Mus'ab]

I have, I've labelled them terrorists since they started bombing embassies and trains and (maybe) the world trade center.

I agree totally with what ITUT said, the Mujahideen are the ones fighting oppression. I may not agree with it all but largely yes, the Muja in Chechnya, in Iraq, etc. Not Al qaeda who bomb innocent people or marketplaces or mosques.

And I Suppose You Were In Iraq And Saw Them Bombing Marketplaces And Masjids?

[Weapon]

And I Suppose You Were In Iraq And Saw Them Bombing Marketplaces And Masjids?

No but the numerous Iraqi eye witnesses were. Were you? When the guy drove up in the marketplace, offered everyone work and then blew the car up when people got close.

And don't say that was the Yanks, cause they love this life too much to suicide bomb. And we all know zarqawi's love of blowing up Shia don't we!

[Abu Mus'ab]

No but the numerous Iraqi eye witnesses were. Were you? When the guy drove up in the marketplace, offered everyone work and then blew the car up when people got close.

And don't say that was the Yanks, cause they love this life too much to suicide bomb. And we all know zarqawi's love of blowing up Shia don't we!

You Only Know What Is Being Fed To You By Your Government You Dont Know The First Thing About What Is Happening There.

The Shias Have A Group Called The Mahdi Army Which Just Targets The Innocent Sunni Muslim Men Women And Children So When They Get Killed Then It Is A Great Joy For Muslims.

[Emelianenko]

Mujahideen?? Majority in chechnya mashaAllah as they engage in jihad as Islam has taught..ok their was the beslan incident but Aslan Mashkadov was quik to condemn those who did it. Also, when he was the Ameer before his martyrdom inshaAllah, he ORDERED all mujahideen tht their will be NO suicide bombings whatsoever..just engagement with the aggressors alone. InshaAllah their r many more mujahideen in the other lands who fight according to the laws of Jihad...Allah knows best.

[Weapon]

You Only Know What Is Being Fed To You By Your Government You Dont Know The First Thing About What Is Happening There.

The Shias Have A Group Called The Mahdi Army Which Just Targets The Innocent Sunni Muslim Men Women And Children So When They Get Killed Then It Is A Great Joy For Muslims.

So what did those people looking for work in the marketplace have to do with "the mahdi army"?

Or was it a great joy simply because they are Shia?

[Abu Mus'ab]

So what did those people looking for work in the marketplace have to do with "the mahdi army"?

Or was it a great joy simply because they are Shia?

firstly i would like to see your proof of the marketplaces that you speak of or do you just take everything your government tells you?

[Emelianenko]

firstly i would like to see your proof of the marketplaces that you speak of or do you just take everything your government tells you?
Abu Musab tht can be argued for both parties..when Aid Workers or Missionary members are kidnapped and so on and we make excuses aye they r spies without asking for proof also. And if it was a matter of oh they our muslim bros they kno best we shud believe them then Islam wouldnt be calling for witnesses if someone claimed they got raped and so on would it now?

[Weapon]

firstly i would like to see your proof of the marketplaces that you speak of or do you just take everything your government tells you?

Here you go. I put a few different sources.

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-03/01/content_420571.htm

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/37/9274

http://www.kurdmedia.com/news.asp?id=6336

[Abu Mus'ab]

perhaps you did not see where the car was parked it was parked outside their police station they ment to kill the police the others died because they were too close to the police station.

[Emelianenko]

perhaps you did not see where the car was parked it was parked outside their police station they ment to kill the police the others died because they were too close to the police station.
:rotfl: :rotfl:

[Weapon]

perhaps you did not see where the car was parked it was parked outside their police station they ment to kill the police the others died because they were too close to the police station.

Now that has to be the poorest excuse for exploding 115 people I've ever heard.

"they were too close the police station"?? Don't make me laugh!

That's like saying to the 24 iraqi children who were killed while getting sweets etc off soldiers "well, i'm sorry kids but you were too close to the soldiers".

Don't you have anything better than that??

[Abu Mus'ab]

Now that has to be the poorest excuse for exploding 115 people I've ever heard.

"they were too close the police station"?? Don't make me laugh!

That's like saying to the 24 iraqi children who were killed while getting sweets etc off soldiers "well, i'm sorry kids but you were too close to the soldiers".

Don't you have anything better than that??

the american soldiers are just cowards who try to use the children as shields.

[Weapon]

the american soldiers are just cowards who try to use the children as shields.

Yeah, of course they did. Just as the suicide bomber yelled Allahu Akbar, they all (at the speed of light) rummaged in their pockets to see what sweets the had, shouted over a class of schoolkids, who ran at them with lightening speed and the soldiers covered themselves all in time, just before the place went BOOM!

Any more lame excuses?

[Emelianenko]

:rotfl: :rotfl:

AbuMusab just give in dude :p

[Weapon]

:rotfl: :rotfl:

AbuMusab just give in dude :p

LOL, don't make him give up,

[Emelianenko]

LOL, don't make him give up,
Aint u had enough joke for one day dude :D :D :rotfl:

[Weapon]

Aint u had enough joke for one day dude :D :D :rotfl:

I just wanted to see if he could give any reasonable reason for me to change my stance of al qaeda!! :D And obviously, he couldn't!

Respect to the real Mujahideen but non for a qaeda!! :up:

[Abu Mus'ab]

:rotfl: :rotfl:

AbuMusab just give in dude :p

I Was Never Born To Give Up

I Never Have And Never Will

[Emelianenko]

U were born to SUBMIT to the will of Allah ;)

anyhow..AbuMusab...Weapon...let the battle commence :D :D :D

[Abu Mus'ab]

U were born to SUBMIT to the will of Allah ;)


Yes Only To Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala And Not To Anyone Else.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Do You Really Think That A Few Words From A Person Who Is Ignorant As To Who Created Him Matters To Me?

Nay,Instead It Just Makes My Imaan Stronger And Makes My Love For The Mujahideen Increase.

[Weapon]

Do You Really Think That A Few Words From A Person Who Is Ignorant As To Who Created Him Matters To Me?

Nay,Instead It Just Makes My Imaan Stronger And Makes My Love For The Mujahideen Increase.

Oh I know my creator my friend! What makes you think I don't??

And Like I said, I respect the Mujahideen, but what has that got to do with Al qaeda?

[Abu Mus'ab]

Oh I know my creator my friend! What makes you think I don't??

And Like I said, I respect the Mujahideen, but what has that got to do with Al qaeda?

you say you know your creator then what religeon do you follow?

[Weapon]

you say you know your creator then what religeon do you follow?

Right now, Christianity, as far as I know to, although i'm constantly learning and searching.

But bottom line is, regardless of whether I'm Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Agnostic, I still believe in 1 God, 1 Creator, 1 father of all things. The same god as you.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Right now, Christianity, as far as I know to, although i'm constantly learning and searching.

But bottom line is, regardless of whether I'm Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Agnostic, I still believe in 1 God, 1 Creator, 1 father of all things. The same god as you.

So You Believe In Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala?

[Weapon]

So You Believe In Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala?

Well you'll have to tell me what "subhanahu wa ta'aala means but if by Allah you mean 1 God then I would suggest by my understanding that yes, I do believe in Allah. Don't you believe in Jesus the Prophet? I too believe in Jesus, I just don't know in what context yet.

[EbuZerr]

Right now, Christianity, as far as I know to, although i'm constantly learning and searching.

But bottom line is, regardless of whether I'm Jewish, Christian, Muslim or Agnostic, I still believe in 1 God, 1 Creator, 1 father of all things. The same god as you.

"I begin with the name of Allah, the most Beneficiant, the most Merciful (This letter is) from Muhammed, the slave of Allah, and Its messenger, to Heraclius, the ruler of the Byzantine. Peace be upon the followers of guidance. I invite you to Islam (Surrender to Allah).. Accept Islam and you will be safe; accept Islam and Allah will bestow on you a double reward. But if you reject this invitation of Islam, you shall be responsible for misguiding the peasents.. O people of Scriptures! Come to a word common between you and us, that we worship Allah, that we associate nothing with worship with It; and that none of us shall take others as Gods besides Allah. Then if you turn away, say: Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered (unto It).." Says Muhammed (SAV) to Heraclius, you can change yourself with Heraclius...

[Abu Mus'ab]

Well you'll have to tell me what "subhanahu wa ta'aala means but if by Allah you mean 1 God then I would suggest by my understanding that yes, I do believe in Allah. Don't you believe in Jesus the Prophet? I too believe in Jesus, I just don't know in what context yet.

Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala Is Praises Upon Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala

I Dont Just Mean 1 God I Am Talking About Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala Who Is Alone And Without Any Partners High Great And Lofty Is He From All The Shirk That People Commit.

Of Course I Believe Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Is A Prophet From Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala And Anyone Who Does Not Is A Kaafir.

[Weapon]

Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala Is Praises Upon Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala

I Dont Just Mean 1 God I Am Talking About Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala Who Is Alone And Without Any Partners High Great And Lofty Is He From All The Shirk That People Commit.

Of Course I Believe Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Is A Prophet From Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'aala And Anyone Who Does Not Is A Kaafir.

I agree, I believe in 1 God, alone without any partners. I pray to God, not to Jesus, But I'm certainly not learned enough to decipher all of this Holy Trinity lark yet. God willing one day I will be. And God willing, I'll live long enough to be shown what the Church will hide from us.

But regardless of all this, all my religious beliefs, don't you think we've gone a little off topic simply because you were feeling a little insecure about not being able to justify the actions of Al Qaeda?

[Abu Mus'ab]

I agree, I believe in 1 God, alone without any partners. I pray to God, not to Jesus, But I'm certainly not learned enough to decipher all of this Holy Trinity lark yet. God willing one day I will be. And God willing, I'll live long enough to be shown what the Church will hide from us.

But regardless of all this, all my religious beliefs, don't you think we've gone a little off topic simply because you were feeling a little insecure about not being able to justify the actions of Al Qaeda?

Feeling Insecure???

Now Thats A Joke,Why Would I Feel Insecure About Something?

It Is Just My Job To Tell You,Whether You Accept It Or Not That Is Your Business.

[Weapon]

Feeling Insecure???

Now Thats A Joke,Why Would I Feel Insecure About Something?

It Is Just My Job To Tell You,Whether You Accept It Or Not That Is Your Business.

Ok, I apologise, that was just a jibe. But seriously, we've gone way off topic.

We weren't talking about whether I accept Islam or Allah or Muhammed as the final messenger of Allah. We were talking about your justification (or lack of) for the actions of Al Qaeda and you perception that they are the true Mujahideen and that Al Mahdi will come after the death of the "lion hearted farmer" whom you believed was Osama Bin Laden.

Can we please continue on that subject or would you like another thread to discuss my religious beliefs?

[Abu Mus'ab]

[QUOTE=Weapon]Ok, I apologise, that was just a jibe. But seriously, we've gone way off topic.
QUOTE]

No Problem.

Now Back To The Topic........

When Imam Mahdi Comes That Will Be The First Major Sign Of Qiyaamah.

(In No Particular Order)

Then Dajjal Will Come.

And Then Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Will Come And You Know As I Explained Before He Will Break The Cross Kill The Swine And Slay Dajjal.

And Then Ya'goog And Ma'goog (Gog&Magog) Will Come They Will Drink Up All The Seas And Wreck Havoc On The Earth.

At That Time Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Will Take The muslims Up On The Mountain,I Forgot What Was The Name Of The Mountain, And He Will Make Dua To Allah And Allah Will Destroy Ya'goog And Ma'goog (Gog&Magog) By Sending A Worm Which Will Kill Them And They Will Lay Bloated On The Earth Then Allah Will Send Some Birds To Take Them Away.

And You Know All The Other Signs The Sun Will Rise From The West It Will Come Up Half Way Into The Sky Like Noon Time Then The Sun Will Set Back In The West And After That Day No Ones Tawbah (Repentence) Will Be Accepted.

Also The Daabbah(Animal) Which Will Come With The Ring Of Hazrat Sulaiman Alayhis Salaam And The Asaa (Stick) Of Hazrat Moosa Alayhis Salaam With The Stick He Will Touch The Muslims Under Their Arm And With The Ring He Will Stamp The Kufaar On Their Forehead With The Letters ك ف ر Kaaf Faa Raa (Kaafir).


And The Others i Will Have To Post Later.

[Weapon]

[quote=Weapon]Ok, I apologise, that was just a jibe. But seriously, we've gone way off topic.
QUOTE]

No Problem.

Now Back To The Topic........

When Imam Mahdi Comes That Will Be The First Major Sign Of Qiyaamah.

(In No Particular Order)

Then Dajjal Will Come.

And Then Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Will Come And You Know As I Explained Before He Will Break The Cross Kill The Swine And Slay Dajjal.

And Then Ya'goog And Ma'goog (Gog&Magog) Will Come They Will Drink Up All The Seas And Wreck Havoc On The Earth.

At That Time Hazrat Esa Alayhis Salaam Will Take The muslims Up On The Mountain,I Forgot What Was The Name Of The Mountain, And He Will Make Dua To Allah And Allah Will Destroy Ya'goog And Ma'goog (Gog&Magog) By Sending A Worm Which Will Kill Them And They Will Lay Bloated On The Earth Then Allah Will Send Some Birds To Take Them Away.

And You Know All The Other Signs The Sun Will Rise From The West It Will Come Up Half Way Into The Sky Like Noon Time Then The Sun Will Set Back In The West And After That Day No Ones Tawbah (Repentence) Will Be Accepted.

Also The Daabbah(Animal) Which Will Come With The Ring Of Hazrat Sulaiman Alayhis Salaam And The Asaa (Stick) Of Hazrat Moosa Alayhis Salaam With The Stick He Will Touch The Muslims Under Their Arm And With The Ring He Will Stamp The Kufaar On Their Forehead With The Letters ك ف ر Kaaf Faa Raa (Kaafir).


And The Others i Will Have To Post Later.

Thanks, please do as it's one of my favourite subjects. :up:

But the main thing that's concerning me on this thread is as I've said, What makes you believe that bin laden and al qaeda are the true mujahideen?

[ITUT]

al salam alikom

abu musab where did you get this unheard of sign about the lion hearted farmer from & when he dies AL-MAHDI appears ?? how osama bin laden name means the lion hearted farmer ?? i appreaciate if you can give more accurate info & links if possible. shukran akhi

salam alaikom

[adeel_alvi]

hey abu musab, i wanted to ask you if you think that Bin Laden is Imam Mehdi. many ppl think so, and you seem to be "defending" him so I thought you might think so as well.

Well do you?

Salam, :ahb:

[Weapon]

bump......

[ITUT]

*bump*

[adeel_alvi]

*bump*

?- what

[Abu Mus'ab]

al salam alikom

abu musab where did you get this unheard of sign about the lion hearted farmer from & when he dies AL-MAHDI appears ?? how osama bin laden name means the lion hearted farmer ?? i appreaciate if you can give more accurate info & links if possible. shukran akhi

salam alaikom

I'm Sorry I Cant Give Better And More Accurate Info And Links Because i Read It In A Kitaab Once And I Forgot The name Of The Kitaab.

[Abu Mus'ab]

hey abu musab, i wanted to ask you if you think that Bin Laden is Imam Mehdi. many ppl think so, and you seem to be "defending" him so I thought you might think so as well.

Well do you?

Salam, :ahb:

No,I Dont Think That Shiekh Osama Bin Ladin (hafidahullahu wa Ra'ah) Is Imam Mahdi.

[Abu Mus'ab]

[quote=abu musab]

Thanks, please do as it's one of my favourite subjects. :up:

But the main thing that's concerning me on this thread is as I've said, What makes you believe that bin laden and al qaeda are the true mujahideen?

What I believe And What You Believe Is Too Far Apart To Even Comprehend.

And If Al Qaida Are Not The True mujahideen Than Who Do you Think Are The True Mujahideen?

[ITUT]

I'm Sorry I Cant Give Better And More Accurate Info And Links Because i Read It In A Kitaab Once And I Forgot The name Of The Kitaab.

alsalam alaikom

akhi you shouldn't believe everything you read,ask your imam to make sure before believing & start spreading the words so you dont commit any sin. :up:

jazak allah khair

salam alaikom

[Emelianenko]

:rotfl: @ weapon dude :D :D

[adeel_alvi]

[quote=Weapon]

What I believe And What You Believe Is Too Far Apart To Even Comprehend.

And If Al Qaida Are Not The True mujahideen Than Who Do you Think Are The True Mujahideen?

Ya, who are the real Mujahideen, I know that Al Qaida aren't, for sure.

Allah knows best

[EbuZerr]

[quote=abu musab]

Ya, who are the real Mujahideen, I know that Al Qaida aren't, for sure.

Allah knows best

:salams

Do not mix up your mind brother...

Who fight against US in Afghanistan, Iraq; against zionists in Palestine; against Russians in Chechenya and noth caucasia; against India in Kashmeer; against China in Eastern Turkistan; against Philippines in Moro; against Tağuts in Algeria and Aceh are the real Mujaheeds whether they are the members of Al qaideh or not...

Allah knows best.

[Zenobia]

I've been reading this thread and its fascinating. especially when one considers that both Christianity and Judaism also have endtimes prophecies. Christians beleive in the AntiChrist as a man on earth too don't they. I wonder how they compare?

[adeel_alvi]

[quote=adeel_alvi]

:salams

Do not mix up your mind brother...

Who fight against US in Afghanistan, Iraq; against zionists in Palestine; against Russians in Chechenya and noth caucasia; against India in Kashmeer; against China in Eastern Turkistan; against Philippines in Moro; against Tağuts in Algeria and Aceh are the real Mujaheeds whether they are the members of Al qaideh or not...

Allah knows best.

thats tru brother, may Allah accept their struggle.

[Abu Mus'ab]

Imaam Ibn Maajah (rahmatullahi alayh) reports in his Sunan
from Muhammad Ibn Yahya and Ahmad Ibn Yusuf from Abdur
Razaaq who reports from Hadhrat Sufyaan Thauri
(rahmatullahi alayh) who reports from Khaaleed Al Khudaa`i
(rahmatullahi alayh) who reports from Abi Qulaabah, who reports
from Abus Samaa`ir Raji, who reports from Hadhrat
Thaubaan (radhiyallahu anhu) that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
said, “Three persons will fight at your treasure (The
Kaabah). They will be the sons of the Khulafaa. They will not
even come near one another when black flags will be raised
from the east. They will come to fight you, such a fight that has
never been witnessed before.” The narrator says that Nabi
(sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said something further which he
cannot remember. Then Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) said,
“When you see it (this army), then you should take ba`it to him,
even though you have to traverse ice to get to him, because he
is the Khalifah Mahdi.”

Ibn Majah

[Abu Mus'ab]

Imaam Abu Dawood (rahmatullahi alayh) narrates in his Sunan
that Ahmad Ibn Ebrahim reports from Abdullah Ibn Ja`far who
reports from Abul Maleehul Hasan Bin Umar who reports from
Ziyaad Bin Ali who reports from Saeed Ibn Musayyib, who reports
from Hadhrat Umme Salmah (radhiyallahu anha) who reports
that she heard Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) saying,
“Al Mahdi is from my progeny, from the children of Faatimah
(radhiyallahu anha).” Ibn Majah (rahmatullahi alayh) narrates
from Saeed Ibn Musayyib (radhiyallahu anhu) who stated, “We
were with Umme Salmah who was telling us about Mahdi. She
said, ‘I heard Rasulullah (sallallahu alayhi wasallam) saying,
‘Al Mahdi will be from the children of Faatimah.’”

Abu Dawood

[Abu Mus'ab]

The object and aim of the return of Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam) is described
in the Qur`aan Majeed and the Ahaadith of Nabi (sallallahu
alayhi wasallam). Upon successful completion of his purpose and
task— the entire world will testify to this— he will leave this worlds
abode. He will be buried close to the grave of our Nabi (sallallahu
alayhi wasallam) in Madinah Munawwarah. Hadhrat Abdullah Ibn
Umar (radhiyallahu anhu) says that Nabi (sallallahu alayhi wasallam)
said that his brother, Hadhrat Isa (alaihis salaam), will descend to earth
and marry. He will also have children and remain on earth for 45
years.
“Then he will die and be buried with me, in my grave (i.e. very close
to Rasulullah’s grave) On the Day of Qiyaamah, Isa and I will rise
from one grave between Abu Bakr and Umar.” Narrated by Ibn Jauzi
in Kitaabul Wafaa. [Mishkaat, page 480]

Mishkaat

[Weapon]

[quote=Weapon]

What I believe And What You Believe Is Too Far Apart To Even Comprehend.

And If Al Qaida Are Not The True mujahideen Than Who Do you Think Are The True Mujahideen?

The true mujahideen are the Muslims in Afghanistan, in Chechnya, in palestine, and everywhere else where Muslims are oppressed, not some terrorist organisation who blows up innocent people because they were rejected by their own country for protection in favour of protection from a country who COULD actually provide it. Al Qaeda is that terrorist organisation.