Easy Islamic quiz on Prayer

[3aber sabeel]

Assalam Alaykum

I completely made up this quiz, and I would like everyone to participate:

Q) We have two Muslims praying Dhuhr, Muslim A & Muslim B. Muslim A in his first rukaa' he intentionally did not say the second surah after the Fatiha, and he did the same in the second rukaa'.
Muslim B while praying in the 3rd rukaa' intentionally said a second surah after the Fatiha, and he did the same in the 4th rukaa'.

Which of the following answers is correct:

1. Muslim B's prayer is invalid and Muslim A's prayer is valid.

2. Muslim A's prayer is invalid and Muslim B's prayer is valid.

3. Both Muslim A and Muslim B prayer is valid.

4. Both Muslim A and Muslim B prayer is invalid.

When made a choice please explain (IF capable).

May Allah give you tawfeeq.

['Inayah']

Does Muslim A know any surahs other than al-fatiha? Is muslim B doing fard or sunnah rakats? The answers to these questions affect my choice of answer.

[3aber sabeel]

1) In the third sentence, it says, "We have two Muslims praying Dhuhr"

Incase you dont know what is 'Dhuhr':

Dhuhr is the noon prayer which is one of the 5 obligatory prayers prescribed for all Muslims. The Prophet (PBUH) said: "The time of Dhuhr (noon) is when the sun passes the meridian and a man's shadow is of the same length as his height." [Sahih Muslim].

2) It also says:
"Muslim A in his first rukaa' he intentionally did not say..."

What I meant that Muslim A does know other surah's than the Fatiha, but he did not say them.

May Allah give you Tawfeeq.

['Inayah']

I know you said 'Dhuhr' but as well as the fard part of the prayer which is 4 rakats there are also sunnah parts. Sorry if I annoyed you bro by asking my questions but that was not intended ... just wanted some clarification.

Anyway if someone intentionally and so knowingly misses something out from their prayer then I would suppose that the prayers were invalid of both muslims. Actions are accorded to intention ... and if they had unintentionally done those things and as long as Al-fatiha had been recited the prayers would have been valid. I have derived this from my limited knowledge ... Allahu alim.

[3aber sabeel]

All four rukaa's of Dhuhr are fard. If he/she misses one or more rukaa', the prayer becomes invalid. If there are additional rukaa's the prayer also becomes invalid.

By the way, I like your answer, you are close, but it is not correct.

You can try again, and I hope I get some more feedbacks.

:(

[3aber sabeel]

The correct answer of the quiz is number 3.

1) The reason why the prayer of Muslim A is valid:

Mu'aadh ibn Jabal used to pray 'Ishaa' [the last] with the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and then return and lead his people in prayer. One night when he returned and prayed with them, a young man [called Sulaim, of the Banu Salamah] from his people prayed, but when it became too long for him, he [went away and] prayed [in the corner of the mosque], then came out, took the reins of his camel and departed. When Mu'aadh had prayed, this was mentioned to him, so he said: "He surely has some hypocrisy in him! I will surely tell the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) what he has done." The young man said: "And I will tell the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) what he has done." So in the morning they came to the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam), and Mu'aadh informed him of what the young man had done. The young man said: "O Messenger of Allaah! He stays a long time with you, and then he returns and lengthens it for us." So the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: Are you one who causes great trouble, Mu'aadh?! and he said to the young man: What do you do when you pray, son of my brother? He said: "I recite the opening chapter of the Book, then I ask Allaah for the Garden, and seek refuge with Him from the Fire. I know neither your dandanah nor the dandanah of Mu'aadh!" So the Messenger of Allaah (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) said: I and Mu'aadh are similar in this. [Narrated by Ibn Khuzaima in his Sahih, and there is a similar hadith in al-Bukhari]

Regarding this hadith, Sheikh Nasruddin al-Albany said it is permissible to recite Al-Fatiha only.

Note: 'dandanah' means when someone speaks some words such that their intonation is audible but they cannot be understood; it is a little bit more than murmuring.

2) The reason why the Prayer of Muslim B is valid:

Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri (RA): "We used to estimate the length of the standing position of Allahs Messenger in the Zuhr and Asr prayers, and we estimated that he stood in the first rwo rukaa' of the Zuhr prayer as long as it takes to recite Alif-Lam-Mim, Tanzil (Surat As-Sajdah #32) and in the last two Rukaa', half the time of that. And in the first two rukaa' of Asr, he used to stand as long as the last two of the Zuhr. And the last two Ruka' of Asr used to be of about half the time of the first two." [Sahih Muslim].

I hope this information may benefit the Muslims in this forum.

All the praises and thanks be to Allâh, the Lord of the 'Alamîn (mankind, jinns and all that exists), and may peace and blessings be upon Muhammed the last and final Messenger.

Wassalam Alaykum wa Rahmut Allah

[Noor]

I thought it was 2

because

I persumed they were reading the four sunnh that are read b4 the the 4 fard, so

When reading the sunnats u are suppose to say surah everytime after al-fatiha (unless of course u don't any).

so muslim A didn't read surah after Fatiha thus making his Prayer invalid

and Muslim B reading second surah after al-fatiha in every rakaat thus making his prayer valid.


So 3aber who's right wrong

what is the answer?

[3aber sabeel]

First of all, I have never mentioned about any Sunnah prayers or the word 'sunnah' in the question.

Second, you said >>so muslim A didn't read surah after Fatiha thus making his Prayer invalid<<

Can you show me evidence from the Quran and Sunnah that says that the prayer becomes invalid if I donot say a Surah after the Fatihah, or it is obligatory (Fard) to say a surah after the Fatihah in the first two rukaa's?

I have shown my peice of evidence that proves that it is permissible to say the Al-Fatihah only. Therefore Muslim A's prayer is still valid.

Please read the books:
1) The Prophets Prayer, by Sheikh al-Albany
2) Sharh Bulugh Almaram, Sheikh el-Munajjid.
3) How the Prophet Prayed, Sheikh Bin Baz.

I advise you to read my anser in my previous post, before claiming >>who's right wrong<<

Allah el-Musta3an

[Noor]

Salaam

I'm not claiming anything,

i was just saying it like i know, i'm not claiming i'm right, just what i was taught.

But Jkk for the book title, inshallah i'll try to get a hld of them.

Muslimah

[AbuMubarak]

another good reminder