Would You?

[Refugee]

Osama bin laden is the most wanted man in america - My question to you is as a muslim would you tell to get the reward?

this statement is from the FBI most wanted site:

REWARD
The Rewards For Justice Program, United States Department of State, is offering a reward of up to $25 million for information leading directly to the apprehension or conviction of Usama Bin Laden. An additional $2 million is being offered through a program developed and funded by the Airline Pilots Association and the Air Transport Association.

Total Reward $27 million or £15.5 million

[m-shahzad]

No!!!:rolleyes:

[Umm-Layth]

A SERIOUS WARNING!

One of the actions [the famous 10 nullfiers of Islaam] that REMOVES a person from the fold of Islaam - is allying with the kufaar against the Muslims.

Allaah says "...and whoever allies with them, is from amongst them..."

Thus if any Muslim says yes is a kaafir at the spot subhaanallaah

May Allaah save us aameen

Remember the wealth, life, honor etc of a Muslim is not permissible for us so fear Allaah and watch what you utter!

And if you refugee are a Muslim - then I would fear Allaah and remove such a baatil thread for fear that you might also be accountable for telling muslims whether they would or not intentionally leave Islaam!

[Refugee]

And if you refugee are a Muslim - then I would fear Allaah and remove such a baatil thread for fear that you might also be accountable for telling muslims whether they would or not intentionally leave Islaam!

I am just trying to find out what we already know - i.e. all these freedom fighters which have been caught in Palestine, Pakistan, Afghanistan etc are due to the help of people mostly muslims on the ground - who sold out for the cash - and its a fact - the reason for this thread was to find out how many are there who would be such a thing.
So before you start blaming me for anything, read the newspaper - and try and find out for whats going on around you.

Jazallah Khair

[Refugee]

For example all the people caught in palestine - now how would the israelis know their exact where abouts or for example people who are caught in Karachi etc how would the police know about them - Think about it. Its all due to the people on the ground. Its a shame but its true.

[m-shahzad]

For example all the people caught in palestine - now how would the israelis know their exact where abouts or for example people who are caught in Karachi etc how would the police know about them - Think about it. Its all due to the people on the ground. Its a shame but its true.

Those people are with weak Imaan

[Refugee]

Those people are with weak Imaan

Indeed - no doubt

[urban_rose]

whats the difference between the first and third one?

[janathi]

whats the difference between the first and third one?

:salams

I didn't see it as any different..Alhamdulillah :inlove: ..and Allahu Alam

:wswrwb:

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,No Never - I will sell out my muslim brother to a kaffirI hope that isn't a trick answer? should it not be:No Never - I will NOT sell out my muslim brother to a kaffirFix that and i'll vote, Insha'Allah.

Ma'aSalaama

[Refugee]

As Salaamu Alaikum,I hope that isn't a trick answer? should it not be:Fix that and i'll vote, Insha'Allah.

Ma'aSalaama

Thats the problem you cant fix the options - there is suppose to be a NOT there ! But human error i guess

[janathi]

As Salaamu Alaikum,I hope that isn't a trick answer? should it not be:Fix that and i'll vote, Insha'Allah.

Ma'aSalaama

:salams

Subhan'Allah I guess we should be more careful:rubeyes:

..I think it was a genuine mistake though..:)

:wswrwb:

[janathi]

Thats the problem you cant fix the options - there is suppose to be a NOT there ! But human error i guess

:salams

Masha'Allah...but I think all muslims would agree of course with the NOT there:) Jazaak Allahu Khair Akhi

:wswrwb:

[seven]

what if they threaten to kill your family? ...would you sell out then?

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,Thats the problem you cant fix the options - there is suppose to be a NOT there ! But human error i guessJazaak Allahu khair.I think it was a genuine mistake thoughYep, looks like it.

I vote; No Never - I will not sell out my muslim brother to a kaffir.

Ma'aSalaama

[janathi]

what if they threaten to kill your family? ...would you sell out then?

:salams

:rolleyes: ..is that a trick question?

:wswrwb:

[seven]

:salams

:rolleyes: ..is that a trick question?

:wswrwb:
no.. but a more realistic situation

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,what if they threaten to kill your family? ...would you sell out then?I still would not sell them out, because they can't kill my family, only Allah (swt) can, the Ajaal is from Allah (swt).

Ma'aSalaama

[Refugee]

what if they threaten to kill your family? ...would you sell out then?

Do you mean the americans threaten to kill your family ?

[seven]

^^anyone

[janathi]

no.. but a more realistic situation

:salams

I would still remain silent...

yes and All will happen the way Allah(Swt) wills it to ..Alhamdulillah :inlove:

:wswrwb:

[m-shahzad]

Do you mean the americans threaten to kill your family ?

They can do that!

In pakistan families r killed on honour and in westren world mostly by syco patients.

[Ruprecht]

Even without the reward I'd love to bring these guys in.
With the reward... it would be a deam come true.
I'd love to bring in Osama. I'd even settle for the Bali bombers who weren't caught (they are worth 10 million and 1 million each).
I'd have no qualms about pulling the trigger on these guys either if it came down to it.

[Nightfall]

Its hard to answer a question when you never have been in such a situation.
How many people will answer 'No i will never hand over my muslim brother' yet like seven's added situation will hand him over if their family was at steak?

What should you do? Hand over one brother or let them kill your entire family? Which is the lesser fitnah?

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,What should you do? Hand over one brother or let them kill your entire family? Which is the lesser fitnah?That one brother is fighting (i.e. doing ibadaah to Allah (swt) day and night) for Allah (swt) and to protect the Ummah of Muhamad (saw). To help him I would no doubt sacrifice myself and my family for Allah (swt). What an easy Shaheed for me and my family.

Ma'aSalaama

[seven]

^^ easier said than done...

when they put a knife to your wife/childs throat... the choice is harder (or easier depending on which way you look at it)

this is what muslims in iraq and palestine face today

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,^^ easier said than done... Yes, I understand that.

Ma'aSalaama

[Nightfall]

^^ easier said than done...

when they put a knife to your wife/childs throat... the choice is harder (or easier depending on which way you look at it)

this is what muslims in iraq and palestine face today
Exactly. Everything is always easier said then done.
When you are actually put in such a situation you wont have time to think it will be instant.
I'm not for handing him over or against, but just think of this situation.
You know you can save your family if you just tell them where your brother is.
They put a nife to your pregnant wife's stomach, they put a gun to your 3month old baby, they are threating to rape your mother in front of you to watch.

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,

If you put it like that, than I don't know what i'll do.

Ma'aSalaama

[Ar-Raya]

how come everyone voted for "I will sell out my muslim brother to a kafir"

[fisabilillah]

how come everyone voted for "I will sell out my muslim brother to a kafir"

It was supposed to read 'I will Not sell out my Muslim brother to a Kafir,' but brother Refugee made a mistake whilst typing...

[Arsalan]

Conceal the Weaknesses of Others

A very bad and dirty habit to be commonly found is to reveal and make
public the fault of other persons. People dont think for a second to
comment upon any others fault or weakness. While Avoiding harm to others
and concealing the weakness of one's fellow human beings is a prominent
theme of the moral teachings of the Quran and the Sunnah. Please have a
look at the Few Sayings of our Prophet are as follows:

1 - "If a person conceals the weakness of another in this world, Allah
will conceal their weakness in the hereafter" [Al Nawawi, Riyad al
Salihin p 135, Hadith no 245; al Ghazali, Kitab Adab p 344]

2 - "Whoever protects the honour of his brother, will have Allah
protect his countenance from the fire on the Day of Judgement" [Al Nawawi,
Riyad al Salihin p 488, Hadith no 1530]

3 - "Do not harm Muslims, and do not revile them, nor pursue their
imperfections. For verily, whosoever pursues the imperfections of his
brother shall have his own imperfections pursued by Allah" [Sunan of al
Tirmidhi, as quoted in Principles of State and Government in Islam, p 85]

Concealing the faults of, and respecting the privacy of others is again
the theme of the following hadith:

"The Muslim who helps another when the latter's honour and dignity are
under attack, shall be helped by Allah, Glorious and Sublime is He! -
at a time when he would wish for Allah's help. But he who forsakes a
Muslim whose dignity is under attack, shall have Allah forsake him at a
time when he would wish for Allah's help" [Al Ghazali, Ihyaa Ulum al Din;
Kitab Adab al Suhbah p 369]

It is noted that concealment (satr) is recommended only with regard to
persons who are not generally known to engage in corrupt and harmful
activities. As for those who are notorious, it is recommended that their
evil is not concealed and that the matter is reported to the
authorities.Those who are committing grave sins and their sins or wrong doings
are contaminating other poeple also, who if not checked , would put the
entire community into a big problem, They should be brought to book ,
their faults should be made public so that others can take care and be
alert.

Exposing the faults of others by casting aspersions, or spying on them,
is particularly reprehensible. Thus according to a hadith, people are
warned:

"Beware of suspicion. For suspicion is the most untrue form of speech;
and do not spy upon one another and do not revile one another." [Sahih
Muslim, Kitab al birr wal silah, Bab al nahy an al tajasus]

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal was once asked about the correct meaning of the
following hadith:

"When you hear something form or about your brother, ascribe to it the
best interpretation until you can no longer do so"
To this, he replied:"Find an excuse for him by saying, 'Maybe he said
this, or maybe he meant such and such'"
It is further reported in another hadith:

"Whoever is offered an apology from a fellow Muslim should accept it
unless he knows that the person apologising is being dishonest" [Mishkat
al Tabrizi, Vol III Hadith no 5052]

In Islam justice and benevolence (adl wa ihsan) are not confined to
Muslims alone. The question of the way people treat fellow citizens in
society, their brothers and sisters in humanity, is closely linked with
the Quranic concepts of adl and ihsan, and these do not admit if any
restriction that would compromise their objective application. [Tuffah,
Masadir pp 89-90]

This indeed is the main point of the following Quranic text:"And let
not the hatred of a people harm you into being unjust. Be just, for it is
closet to piety (taqwa)" [Surah 5: verse 8]
Furthermore, Hasan, the son of Ali is reported to have said:

"If a man abuses me in one ear and then apologises to me in the other,
I shall accept his apology" [Al Maqdisi, al Adab, I p 341]
Thus it is evident that silence takes priority over speech when it
comes to exposing the faults and weaknesses of others.
I would finish with one quote from Imam Ghazali

'One should not talk about the defects of others even if one is asked
about them. One must try to avoid prying and asking personal questions
about the private lives of others" [Al Ghazali, Kitab Adab pp 242-43]

[Ar-Raya]

Asalam Alaikum Wa Ramatualahi Wa Barakatu Fifi...

ahh that would explain why almost everyone voted for that one then...

Didn't mean to point out the guys mistakes...my apologies...

[Arsalan]

Asalam Alaikum Wa Ramatualahi Wa Barakatu Fifi...

ahh that would explain why almost everyone voted for that one then...

Didn't mean to point out the guys mistakes...my apologies...

Bro i think the option "No Never - I will sell out my muslim brother to a kaffir"

means i will not sell out my brother to a kafir.. at least thats what i personally thought it meant.

[Refugee]

Bro i think the option "No Never - I will sell out my muslim brother to a kaffir"

means i will not sell out my brother to a kafir.. at least thats what i personally thought it meant.


Jazallah Khair Akhis - and my apologies for the mistake i made - i hope you will find it in your heart to forgive me

[m-shahzad]

Jazallah Khair Akhis - and my apologies for the mistake i made - i hope you will find it in your heart to forgive me

Yeah you should be careful.
In Quran there are 14 places where do a small mistake that counts big mistake.

[Refugee]

Yeah you should be careful.
In Quran there are 14 places where do a small mistake that counts big mistake.

Well offcourse thats a different matter :rolleyes:

[Mujaheedah]

its says no never! and then... I Will sell out my muslim brother, That's not fair I didn't notice it said that.

[elefantebianco]

what if they threaten to kill your family? ...would you sell out then?

I would like to think my imaan is high enough not too....that would giving my fam the honer of martyrdom....:rolleyes:

[Bitter Almond]

The question is, how on earth would i know where bin laden is?!!??

[MMS]

Well if they are really hiding out in the montains on pak/afghan border :rolleyes::rolleyes:

maybe i will see em since me fams from quetta :p

am i the only one with trust issues, all i know of him is thru the western media :rubeyes:
i find it hard to believe anything they show me :confused: