Split Thread about Beard

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

theres one letdown...he doesnt have a full beard.

The fuqaha of Islam have differed greatly in many aspects relating to Fiqh from the time of the sahabah. I'm sure you've heard the story of where the Prophet(saw) ordered a group of sahaba not to pray 'asr until they had reached a certain place; some companions took the literal meaning and while on their journey to that place missed 'asr salah(due to their understanding of the command). While some other sahabah interpreted it to mean that they should hasten towards that place- not necessarily negating the permissibility of pausing to pray salah. The Prophet was later asked about this and he didn't rebuke either group. Both were right.

The beard is one of those topics in which there is ikhtilaf. While hanafis opine that a fist length is wajib, malikis, for example, dont. The four madhahib agree that *shaving* the beard is haram but differ as to it's length. The lihya has been defined by those other than the hanafis as "that which sprouts from the chin". Therefore trimming it is mubah(permissible) but one should be careful not to trim it to the point where no hair is left on the chin.

Wassalam.

[FieSabeelillahi]

The lihya has been defined by those other than the hanafis as "that which sprouts from the chin". Therefore trimming it is mubah(permissible) but one should be careful not to trim it to the point where no hair is left on the chin.

Wassalam.
Have any proof from the Prophet :saws2: himself?

Umar who said that the Messenger of Allaah http://63.175.194.25/images/saws.gif (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Be different from the mushrikeen: let your beards grow and trim your moustaches.”

Rasulullah http://63.175.194.25/images/saws.gif (said "I have no connection with one who shaves, shouts and tears his clothing eg. in grief or affication."
- Reported by Abu Darda (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501

Hanafi
Imam Muhammed (R.A.) writes in his book "Kitabul Aathaar" where he relates from Imam Abu Hanifa (R.A.) who relates from Hadhrat Haytham (R.A.) who relates from Ibn Umar (R.A.) that he (Ibn Umar) used to hold his beard in his hand and cut off which was longer. Imam Muhammed (R.A.) says that this is what we follow and this was the decision of Imam Abu Hanifa. Therefore, according to Hanafies, to shorten the beard less than a FIST LENGTH is HARAAM and on this is IJMA (concensus of opinion).
Shafi'i
Imam Shafi (R.A.) in his Kitabul Umm states, "To shave the beard is HARAAM." (Shari Minhaj dar Shara Fasl Aqueeqa).
Maaliki
Shekh Ahmad Nafarawi Maliki in the commentary of Imam Abu Zayed's booklet states, "to shave the beard is without doubt haraam according to all Imams." It is also mention in "Tamheed" which is a commentary of "Muatta" (Sunnan Imam Malik (R.A.)) that to shave the beard is HARAAM and among males the only ones to resort to this practice (of shaving) are the HERMAPHRODITES (persons who possess both male and female features and characteristics).
Hanbali
The Hanbalies in the famous Al-Khanie'a Hanbali Fatawa Kitab state that "to grow the beard is essential and to shave it is HARAAM." Also in the Hanbali Mathab books "Sharahul Muntahaa" and "Sharr Manzoomatul Aadaab", it is stated "The most accepted view is that it is HARAAM (prohibited to shave the beard)."
Also note, according to scholars of Islam: "To shave off the beard is unlawful (haraam) and one who shaves his beard is legally speaking an unrighteous fellow (FASIQ); hence, it is NOT PERMISSIBLE to appoint such a man as an Imam. To say Taraweeh behind such an Imam is MAKRUH-E-TAHRIMI (near prohibition)" (Shami Vol.1, p.523)
The Durre-Mukhtar states: "No one has called it permissible to trim it (the beard) less than FIST-LENGTH as is being done by some westernized Muslims and hermaphrodites." (Vol. 2, p. 155). Also, "It is forbidden (haraam) for a man to cut off another's beard." (Vol. 5, p. 359).


I dont remember seeing that you can shave as long as you dont cut off all hair.

[Abu Hurairah]

Masha'allah brother/sister FieSabeelillahi has done some excellent work I was just preparing to do- na'am may Allah (swt) reward you, no Ahlul Hadith would ever reject or malign them alhamdulillah.

The fuqaha of Islam have differed greatly in many aspects relating to Fiqh from the time of the sahabah. I'm sure you've heard the story of where the Prophet(saw) ordered a group of sahaba not to pray 'asr until they had reached a certain place; some companions took the literal meaning and while on their journey to that place missed 'asr salah(due to their understanding of the command). While some other sahabah interpreted it to mean that they should hasten towards that place- not necessarily negating the permissibility of pausing to pray salah. The Prophet was later asked about this and he didn't rebuke either group. Both were right..

Akhy you may not be aware of the little known fact in regards to this ahadith- na'am Rasul'Allah (saw) stated that both groups were correct but the ullema confirm that one out of the two groups was actually more correct than the other. I will not spoil the fun for you finding this out and whom were the group and why- this ilm is just fascinating to learn alhamdulillah so I shall leave this matter to you.

Likewise you are in need of doing a little more research into what you have stated in regards to the beard- our akhy/ukthi FieSabeelillahi has done much of the work for us all already.

Wassalam.

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

Masha'allah brother/sister FieSabeelillahi has done some excellent work I was just preparing to do- na'am may Allah (swt) reward you, no Ahlul Hadith would ever reject or malign them alhamdulillah.



Akhy you may not be aware of the little known fact in regards to this ahadith- na'am Rasul'Allah (saw) stated that both groups were correct but the ullema confirm that one out of the two groups was actually more correct than the other. I will not spoil the fun for you finding this out and whom were the group and why- this ilm is just fascinating to learn alhamdulillah so I shall leave this matter to you.

Likewise you are in need of doing a little more research into what you have stated in regards to the beard- our akhy/ukthi FieSabeelillahi has done much of the work for us all already.



Wa Alaikum wa Assalam

Salamu'alaikum wa rahmatallah.

I think my post is in agreement with FieSabeelillahi's. If I recall correctly I mentioned that *shaving* is haram, and this is what all four madhahib say. Disagreement lies in the *definition* of what the beard is. Everyone agrees that shaving the beard is haram.

It's interesting to note what constitutes the beard though.