Is there heaven for a G?

[irfanj]

Is there heaven for a G?

Are you a gangster wannabe?

Gangsterism means the way of life of a gangster. The word isn’t used much though, especially not by gangsters. Some don’t wish to call their way of life anything whilst others make a song and dance about it by using catchy words like ‘Thug Life’ and M.O.B or call themselves playas, pimps, hustlas, souljahs and the list goes on.

Whether it’s the crimes like drugs, robberies, credit card fraud, scams, murders, rapes, violence or it’s the non criminal acts like the lingo, raving, zina, alcohol and swearing etc. Everybody reading this has been affected by Gangsterism. I mean it’s everywhere you go, whether you are a gangster, know of a gangster, seen a gangster, met a gangster or want to be a gangster. You’re all familiar with the phenomenon of Gangsterism.

Today’s gangsters start from the common everyday thug with his/her Gangster garms (that thick massive silver chain which probably cost a tenner from market), weed/snouts, hip hop/garage/bhangra, with a pimped up ride or a crappy stolen car or in the passenger side of one. Robbing phones, swiping cards or doing scams etc. Moving up to the O G’s of the ‘Hood’ calling the shots and destroying youngsters’ lives and using them for their own set ups. Then you have the national mafia’s with their imports and exports, organized crime and involvement in legitimate businesses.

Why would you want to be a gangster?

•You want to be in with the rest of the crowd. The crowd is into 50 Cent, Tu Pac tunes + Al Pacino gangster movies (no disrespect to the talented actor) and imitating their characters- so you’ll do the same.
• It helps make you popular and get friends if you’re a respected gangster. Respect is earned quicker by being a gangster.
• It’ll really bring you the high life — money, cars and lots of girls.
• People won’t pick on/bully you if you’re in control and they’re scared of you.
• You could finally get that girl you’ve always fancied if she sees that you’re a gangster.
• Life is bad. You’ve got no money. Parents are always fighting/separated or too strict on you so T.V and Music become you’re best friends and they tell you to rebel. So you’re gonna become a gangster.
• You need to join a gang otherwise you can’t do anything to deter racist attacks.
• You really believe that society has failed/is failing with its general set up so you’re gonna live by gangster rules to rebel against the system and live according to a code and system of rules that suits you.
• The area you live in is run by gangsters on the street so you wanna represent yourself, family or people on the streets.
• You wanna be a gangster to protect yourself from other gangsters.
• You need to make the easy money cos you’re naturally too dumb/lazy to qualify as anything professional and education is too hard for you.

Gangster today – prison tomorrow

The result of trying to be a gangster = you get sent down! Muslims already form 8% of the prison population. 73,000 recorded prisoners in 2003 means there are now at least 5840 Muslims in prison and it’s rising . Over 65% of these prisoners are young men between the ages of eighteen and thirty. This huge figure does not include youngsters under the age of 18 who are in custodial care. Over 1000 of the 5840 Muslim inmates have committed crimes relating to drug use or drug pushing. So one in five of British Muslim Prisoners have been convicted for drug related offences) And these are figures of only those that have been caught!

WAKE UP PEOPLE: The world isn’t run by gangsters. The world doesn’t need gangsters. The world doesn’t need ‘ghettos’. So if the area you live in is one of these ‘ghettos’ that rappers rap about then do something positive about it to change the bad things about it.

Gangster rappers

SO take a step back for a minute and think — who’s your favourite rapper or most influential gangster? E.g. 50 Cent — who’s his idol — it’s Tu Pac — who’s his role models — Marvin Gaye, Huey Newton and Malcolm X. Marvin weren’t a gangster. Huey was a great and courageous hero for Blacks in America and all oppressed people in the world. Malcolm was too and he was also a practising Muslim and a hero of Islam and Muslims worldwide. He encouraged positive work and intellectual development by leading the example himself. Malcolm used to be a gangster and ended up in prison for it. It was in prison where he decided to be different from the rest of the convicts and gangsters by devoting himself to learning about Islam and the meaning of his own life. Who was Malcolm X’s hero/role model — the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) himself, who leads you straight into the love, mercy and reward of Almighty Allah(swt).

Is it worth living the G lifestyle?

So why give your heart, mind and soul the torture of the long route that’ll only lead you to prison, drug addiction, financial problems and self destruction? Not forgetting that you will be making your parents life a living hell! That’s just the outcomes this world. When you die you’ll join your homies and gangster brethren and be escorted by frightfully ugly creatures straight to hell itself. So is it all worth it?

Today a lot of the youngsters look up to and wanna be like ‘Gangsters’ including SOCent, Tu Pac, Biggy, Snoopy Dogg, Diddy (or whatever he’s called now) and even gangsters of the past like the Kray brothers and Al Capone. Why choose a role model at the bottom of the influence ladder when you can have the influence of the best of mankind and that’s the example led by the Prophet (pbuh).

However if you ain’t on that level yet to reach to him directly then take the example of the closest one from the positive chain of influence to you. It could be anyone from the companions of the prophet (pbuh), legendaries like Salauddin, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali or Muslim youngsters in your own community like that brother you try to avoid every time you’re at mosque during Jummah. Talk to that brother and ask him to help you change your lifestyle.

Don’t give it up and go back to gangsterism

You know you can change. As for the bad friends, well if they’re your true friends then they’ll appreciate you doing something good with your life, and you may have a chance in helping them change too, If they don’t understand or appreciate your new lifestyle and you don’t think it’s appropriate any more chilling with them, as their lifestyle doesn’t help you or makes you wanna throw up, then don’t be afraid to leave them. They’re not gonna be with you in the grave.

Most importantly for all gangsters reading this — take a moment of silence and really think about the world and your life in it. Think about everything you’ve witnessed and experienced and then ask yourself — where is this leading me?

Gangsterism if the exact opposite of Islam

And its head is Mr. Shaytaan a.k.a DJ Iblees who cannot help man but only destroy him by lust, greed, jealousy, envy and hatred. Islam’s God is Almighty Allah and He (swt) will never let you down no matter how many times you slip and fall. He(swt) will always lift you back up. You just gotta call on Him(swt).

Islam is about making you a better person for society and paradise as a reward for you. Gangsterism is about how to make you more dominant in society, preferably be feared and therefore a ‘badder’ person in society; its possible reward is a fake paradise on earth. In Islam there is forgiveness and mercy but in Gangsterism it’s revenge and ruthlessness.

Many Gangsters from Muslim families claim Islam is their religion because they have a Muslim name and family and know how to read Arabic and how to perform the prayers. Some would also pray the weekly Jummah Salah. If that’s what you do then do it all the way without being a gangster or at least try to without giving up. Don’t say “It’s hard Bruv I don’t know if I have it in me”. If you’re strong enough to beat someone up, run from police and take all the risks you take as a gangster then are you not strong enough to ask for forgiveness, change your ways, and adapt discipline in your life?

• Islam gives you a proper purpose in life where you can live a meaningful and very happy life.
• Islam helps you become a good person no lies, cheating, fraud etc.
• Islam gives you discipline.
• By being a good Muslim you help other and others help you.
• Peace of mind, happiness and no fear.
• No fear of being clocked and banged u in prison for life.
• People like you for YOU not cos you have the money and not cos they’re scared of you!
•You get genuine mates not mates who just use you.
•You still get “nuff respect” but the decent Islamic kind. A practising Muslim is respected in the sight of Allah (swt).
•You can treat and serve your parents well, not use and abuse them as a gangster!
•You know you could be dead tomorrow, Islam helps you prepare for the life hereafter

You gangster or Muslim?

You cannot call yourself a Muslim because you pray Jummah in the daytime if at night you’re gonna go clubbing, selling the weed, doing the scams or have a blazing session cos it’s Friday and you wanna get high. Then at best you’re just a hypocrite and at worst you’re still a gangster. It’s not about “Only God can judge me”. Your Ummah is there for you to help you.

Think of Gangsterism as a way of life an Islam a way of life and then choose one. I mean you wouldn’t choose certain principles and practices from Hinduism and Islam and still call yourself a Muslim, now, would you? So why do so with Gangsterism and Islam? Choose between the two Gangsterism or Islam? You Gangster or Muslim?

I will leave you with the words of Tu Pac: ls there heaven for a ‘G’? Remember The, so many homies in the cemetery… I know my destiny is hell, where did I fail? ‘My life is in denial. And when I die, baptised in Eternal Fire...

lmran Younis and Sajid lqbal

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[MalikOne™]

"Let me say for the record, I am not a gangster and never have been. I`m not the thief who grabs your purse.I`m not the guy who jacks your car. I`m not down with the people who steal and hurt others. I`m just a brother who fight back."- Tupac Shakur

[SoulAsylum]

Ghetto Gospel :up:

[irfanj]

Remember me, so many homies in the cemetery...
I know my destiny is hell, where did I fail?
My life is in denial. And when I die, baptised in Etenal Fire...
Tupac Shakur

[MalikOne™]

Remember me, so many homies in the cemetery...
I know my destiny is hell, where did I fail?
My life is in denial. And when I die, baptised in Etenal Fire...
Tupac Shakur

Its freaky innit, all these rappers rap about going to hell and Allahu Alam that may just of been ther destiny :rubeyes:

but with Tupac I heard that he may of converted to Islam before he died thas why I say Allahu Alam.

[irfanj]

Its freaky innit, all these rappers rap about going to hell and Allahu Alam that may just of been ther destiny :rubeyes:

but with Tupac I heard that he may of converted to Islam before he died thas why I say Allahu Alam.
Of course, Allah knows best.

We cannot say about any rapper, such as Tupac or 50cent, whether they will go to heaven or hell. We don't have the knowledge let alone the authority to make such an assertion.

The most that we can reliably say is that the lifestyles which are personified by these people are not the path to heaven. These lifestyles are not the way to please Allah and earn reward and blessing.

Such rappers are not the best role-models for Muslim youth.

[SoulAsylum]

Be3ing a G.......you have to be on top of ur game all the time.

Image and repuatation count for everything. no time to rest, and therse always some punk whos waiting to hit you when he gets teh chance.

cut throat game being a Gangstar. Fierce.

Some people are gangsters by choice while others are gangsters because they have to be in order to survive.

[MalikOne™]

True

I despise 50 cent :vomit:

[abdusamad]

Of course, Allah knows best.

We cannot say about any rapper, such as Tupac or 50cent, whether they will go to heaven or hell. We don't have the knowldge let alone the authority to make such an assertion.

But the lifestyles which are personified by these people are not the path to heaven. These lifestyles are not the way to please Allah and earn reward and blessing.

Such rappers are not the best role-models for Muslim youth.


Akhee true,


It took me a trip to UK to realise that and alhamdulillah with His will i left my old ways...


Now who would of ever thought i was there in the beginning.. :rolleyes:

[abdusamad]

Be3ing a G.......you have to be on top of ur game all the time.

Image and repuatation count for everything. no time to rest, and therse always some punk whos waiting to hit you when he gets teh chance.

cut throat game being a Gangstar. Fierce.

Some people are gangsters by choice while others are gangsters because they have to be in order to survive.

nobody HAS to be a gangster to survive... i have seen practising brothers in masjids in tough ghettos in America :rolleyes:

[MalikOne™]

nobody HAS to be a gangster to survive... i have seen practising brothers in masjids in tough ghettos in America :rolleyes:

Nope nobody does have to, but when your surronded by poverty and crime it seems the easiest way to get rich and gain respect and as they say "get outta tha hood"

[SoulAsylum]

nobody HAS to be a gangster to survive... i have seen practising brothers in masjids in tough ghettos in America :rolleyes:

Theres gangsters and then theres GANGSTERS.

When a man stands by himself and takes on 10 guys thats what you call a gangsta

not thses people who hide behind their mates and act hard, but cant do nothing on their own.

[SoulAsylum]

Akhee true,


It took me a trip to UK to realise that and alhamdulillah with His will i left my old ways...


Now who would of ever thought i was there in the beginning.. :rolleyes:

You ever been in any fights G?

[MalikOne™]

lol having the ability to defend yourself doesent make u a gangsta :rolleyes:

[SoulAsylum]

lol having the ability to defend yourself doesent make u a gangsta :rolleyes:

No it does'nt...but being able to have the courage fight someone whos ten times bigger than you does.........

What it is is , its all about heart bro...

you got no heart, your not going very far.

and i i was'nt talking to you..........

so stop protecting your homie.

[janathi]

nobody HAS to be a gangster to survive... i have seen practising brothers in masjids in tough ghettos in America :rolleyes:


:salams

:rubeyes:.erm....just out of curiosity.:scratch:.what are you all talking about? ..you see I'm confused..:confused:

:wswrwb:

[SoulAsylum]

Where are all the true gangsters gone?????????????

Where they hiding??

[MalikOne™]

No it does'nt...but being able to have the courage fight someone whos ten times bigger than you does.........

What it is is , its all about heart bro...

you got no heart, your not going very far.

and i i was'nt talking to you..........

so stop protecting your homie.

define:gangster:

Gangsters are members of a professional crime organization, such as a gang or a mafia group. Usually, members of the mafia or a like organization are referred to as mobsters while individual high-scale criminals who participate in mob-like activity or members of a small criminal enterprise are referred to as gangsters. ...

Bruce lee cuda kicked about 20 guys asses at tha same time, that make him a gangsta? loool (jus so u c my point)

[SoulAsylum]

define:gangster:

Gangsters are members of a professional crime organization, such as a gang or a mafia group. Usually, members of the mafia or a like organization are referred to as mobsters while individual high-scale criminals who participate in mob-like activity or members of a small criminal enterprise are referred to as gangsters. ...

Bruce lee cuda kicked about 20 guys asses at tha same time, that make him a gangsta? loool (jus so u c my point)

Yeh i c ur point........

but on the street gangster is something totally different to ^

You know the score malik........at least i think you do anyway

just so u c MY point.

[MalikOne™]

Aight...whatever man

I thought tha 1st quote I posted wuda cleared things up, fighting back does not make you "gangsta" whether its 1 guy or 10.

[SoulAsylum]

Yeh whatever.

[AbuMubarak]

a lotta og's have accepted islam

[MalikOne™]

a lotta og's have accepted islam

Thanks to the dawah teams in the prisons :) and obv by the Will of Allah swt

[Al-Irhaab]

my friend did a talk in the middle of bradford shopping centre once, cus we were doing a dawah stall and pigs came and made us take it down so he started doing a talk instead... this was in summer 2000 before wtc tings... so you know bradford got that rep an all, so he starts his talk bros what you want to be , who do you guys wanna be, you guys keep telling us your gs and ganstars and you guys got good rep.. but why you wanna be lil sissy gangstarts why dont yall be proper gangstars... and hes like do you know who the biggest gangstar today is and everyones looking at him and hes like yeah the biggest gangstar today is usama bin laden, you know why hes a gangsta cus the kafir fear him theyre scared you know why cus hes a muslim and a fighter etc etc etc then he goes on you know who was the biggest gangsta ever, the one that the kafir even know they scared of his name, the prophet (SaW) and man the crowd just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, these boys man thats what theyd waited all their life to hear... a halal way to be a gangsta :D

[SoulAsylum]

my friend did a talk in the middle of bradford shopping centre once, cus we were doing a dawah stall and pigs came and made us take it down so he started doing a talk instead... this was in summer 2000 before wtc tings... so you know bradford got that rep an all, so he starts his talk bros what you want to be , who do you guys wanna be, you guys keep telling us your gs and ganstars and you guys got good rep.. but why you wanna be lil sissy gangstarts why dont yall be proper gangstars... and hes like do you know who the biggest gangstar today is and everyones looking at him and hes like yeah the biggest gangstar today is usama bin laden, you know why hes a gangsta cus the kafir fear him theyre scared you know why cus hes a muslim and a fighter etc etc etc then he goes on you know who was the biggest gangsta ever, the one that the kafir even know they scared of his name, the prophet (SaW) and man the crowd just kept getting bigger and bigger and bigger, these boys man thats what theyd waited all their life to hear... a halal way to be a gangsta :D


I was just thinking that Irhaab :D

[abdusamad]

You ever been in any fights G?

yep.... i wished i hadnt though..

[AbuMubarak]

i never thought of it like that

you reminded me of something i learned years ago, coming from the black nationalist movement, noah was a revolutionary, abraham was a revolutionary, moses, jesus, muhammad were revolutionaries

as was malcolm, che, mau, and a host of others throughout history, and none of them were loved by the power structure, they were all hated and despised, this is the way of the revolutionary

if you call yourself a revolutionary and your enemies love you, then something is greatly wrong with your mission

usamah has to be the all -time mvp revolutionary, there is a $50 million dollar ransom on his head, and the beast still aint got him

[Black_Rose]

that is because he is not really a revolutionary at all, he is no threat.. he's just a good reason to invade a few countries.

[Al-Irhaab]

that is because he is not really a revolutionary at all, he is no threat.. he's just a good reason to invade a few countries.

right right if it makes you feel better :rolleyes:

[SoulAsylum]

that is because he is not really a revolutionary at all, he is no threat.. he's just a good reason to invade a few countries.

Aye......cud be right there Black Rose.

[SoulAsylum]

right right if it makes you feel better :rolleyes:


It could be the truth........

so stop being gung ho jihadi.

[Black_Rose]

right right if it makes you feel better :rolleyes: Why would it make me feel better? :scratch:

It's just the truth. It's not as though the West is really scared of him, he is not about to take over the USA or something. All OBL does as far as most people are concerned is release a few tapes and at the most encourage attacks like 7/7.. he's hardly making anyone quake in their boots. A few planes being flown into the WTC in the long term doesn't bother the people running the US.. but it was simply used as an excuse for them to invade more countries and demonise Muslims.

Which part are you disagreeing with? :confused:

[SoulAsylum]

Slam dunk......hole in one lol.

[Al-Irhaab]

Why would it make me feel better? :scratch:

It's just the truth. It's not as though the West is really scared of him, he is not about to take over the USA or something. All OBL does as far as most people are concerned is release a few tapes and at the most encourage attacks like 7/7.. he's hardly making anyone quake in their boots. A few planes being flown into the WTC in the long term doesn't bother the people running the US.. but it was simply used as an excuse for them to invade more countries and demonise Muslims.

Which part are you disagreeing with? :confused:

all of it :rolleyes: the war had been on for a long time decades however the muslims had slept and never realised it, these same countries that you say are invaded apart form afghanistan they were under occupation anyway...

more people were dying pre-invasion cus of sanctions then are dying now.. however what Sheikh Usamas actions have done is brought the war out in the open, so they suffer and not just us... and the muslims are starting to awaken, if that is not a revolutionary then what is :rolleyes:

[irfanj]

Americans are frightened of Osama. The US gov uses this fear to pass reppressive laws on all its citizens and esp Muslim-Americans. The US gov uses Osama as an excuse to attack Muslim countries. Muslim-haters use Osama to demonise all Muslims.

He is one big-time G (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=77658).

[AbuMubarak]

leave a bag on a bus, they shut down the entire city

why?

fear of usamah

and as long as they keep the people afraid of usamah, they will continue to pass totalitarian laws

who you blame? usamah or the evil capitalists who need secret service to go to the bathroom

[islamirama]

Yea i hear they are reapproving the Patriot Act (freedom to oppress) with some modifications so shut up the civil liberties groups. It's so sad to see so many muslims RUNNING to go to kuffar lands, when the prophet s.a.w. said whoever lives among the musrikeens is not of me.

[Te'oma]

Why would it make me feel better? :scratch:

It's just the truth. It's not as though the West is really scared of him, he is not about to take over the USA or something. All OBL does as far as most people are concerned is release a few tapes and at the most encourage attacks like 7/7.. he's hardly making anyone quake in their boots. A few planes being flown into the WTC in the long term doesn't bother the people running the US.. but it was simply used as an excuse for them to invade more countries and demonise Muslims.

Which part are you disagreeing with? :confused:

Bravo Black_Rose. Usamah is the boogeyman for the US. In history, whenever an empire has run out of enemies it starts to self destruct and feed on it's own with it's own internal power struggles. The nation stagnates and the people become apathetic. This war on terror is the perfect tool to distract the people and to justify all kinds of atrocities. America is not afraid of Usama but they are afraid of his followers.

[Te'oma]

As for the original post, excellent article. Gangsterism is a dead end occupation for our youth and serves no social good at all. Another thing for the gangsta muslims to consider...who do you think controls the industry that provides all of the bling that you are wearing. A little hint...it's not the christians

[Emelianenko]

As for the original post, excellent article. Gangsterism is a dead end occupation for our youth and serves no social good at all. Another thing for the gangsta muslims to consider...who do you think controls the industry that provides all of the bling that you are wearing. A little hint...it's not the christians
heheh :p

maaaaaan all this gangster culture thing is wack..sadly todays youth listen to these puffs 50 and so on and walk and talk like them..and man even referring to mujahids as "gangsters" also now :rolleyes: use the word, the title Allah has used himself to refer to those who fight in his cause :rolleyes:

and from what ive seen with my own eyes..i suggesst its not good to talk bout this so called power,respect and so on if u live the gangster life. ive seen kidos who used to practice..lived a pure life..and cus they heard ppl talking bout gangsters and deep down had love and respect for gangsters..has pushed these kidos into leaving the practise of deen just to go have a taste of this gangster life...and see what all thise POWER,RESPECT ETC tht ppl go on about all the time is really about..Allah has given us the beutiful title of being called a Muslim..and no1 is really at the top of their game out their..so what if sum1 beat up 10 guys..itll only take some wannab gangster kid to turn round with a shooter and empty a magazine on him..:rolleyes:

[Ruprecht]

Theres gangsters and then theres GANGSTERS.

When a man stands by himself and takes on 10 guys thats what you call a gangsta

not thses people who hide behind their mates and act hard, but cant do nothing on their own.

I think you have a somewhat romanticised view of gang life and what a gangster is.

I blame the media.

I admit this is a pet peeve of mine. When I think of the "evils of Americanization", it's these kids at the shopping centres that instantly spring to mind.
I'm not sure I will ever really understand why a middle class white kid from a suburban Australian home will attempt to talk, walk, dress and act like an African American ghetto criminal.

What I do know is that in my experience both these wannabe gangsters and the actual gangsters (be they Bikies, Mafia, Triads or some other group) are, for the most part, ****.

I find it hard to understand how a young muslim could idealise a life style which projects itself as being so unashamedly self serving, cynical and materialistic.

[AbuMubarak]

they told noah and other prophets that the only people i see following you are the criminals and gangstas

many times, the people who society ostracizes are the people who are most loved by Allah

if some of these gangstas have accepted islam, then we should praise Allah and beg Allah to guide us closer to the truth

as far as people who reject islam, i dont care if they are gangstas or bankas, all of the same ilk

[Ruprecht]

they told noah and other prophets that the only people i see following you are the criminals and gangstas

many times, the people who society ostracizes are the people who are most loved by Allah

if some of these gangstas have accepted islam, then we should praise Allah and beg Allah to guide us closer to the truth

as far as people who reject islam, i dont care if they are gangstas or bankas, all of the same ilk


Matthew 9:11-13 (King James Version)
11 And when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto his disciples, Why eateth your Master with publicans and sinners?
12 But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick.
13 But go ye and learn what that meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice: for I am not come to call the righteous, but sinners to repentance.

Sure. But that doesn't mean that their lifestyle is to be idolised, or even accepted for that matter.
I don't think gangster rappers are socially ostracised either. Juat look at their place in pop culture.
Why do you rail against the evils of corporate excess and "euromerican" culture but not "gangstas". Is this a race thing?

[AbuMubarak]

gangstas are just trying to make it in a world that the cards are stacked AGAINST them

am i justifying murder, robbery, etc? of course not

am i understanding that not everyone is going to get a job as a banker or politician or even the owner of GE,

most people just want to make ends meet, but the ends keep getting stretched further and further apart, so since not all education is equal, not all neighborhoods are equal, not all cultural practices are equal, people who have been shut out of society do not conform to societies norms

thus, the rise of gangstas, with all of their idiocy

but when that same gangsta turns muslim, he is a asset to his community

and i see more gangstas accepting islam than i see bankers

[Ruprecht]

gangstas are just trying to make it in a world that the cards are stacked AGAINST them

am i justifying murder, robbery, etc? of course not

am i understanding that not everyone is going to get a job as a banker or politician or even the owner of GE,

most people just want to make ends meet, but the ends keep getting stretched further and further apart, so since not all education is equal, not all neighborhoods are equal, not all cultural practices are equal, people who have been shut out of society do not conform to societies norms

thus, the rise of gangstas, with all of their idiocy

but when that same gangsta turns muslim, he is a asset to his community

and i see more gangstas accepting islam than i see bankers

If a gangster turns Muslim he can hardly be a gangster anymore right?

It's not just "making ends meet" that drives people to criminal activities.
I don't see how the materialism and immorality of the Gangster is any more excuseable simply because he comes from a background of poverty or alienation.

There are certain individuals for whom Islam seems to be a form of rebellion. Much the same as "alternative lifestyles", communism, various forms of political activism, substance abuse, survivalism, gangs and cults.

Is rebellion against society an acceptable reason for being a Muslim? Is the motivation important in Islam or only the action?

[Emelianenko]

If a gangster turns Muslim he can hardly be a gangster anymore right?

It's not just "making ends meet" that drives people to criminal activities.
I don't see how the materialism and immorality of the Gangster is any more excuseable simply because he comes from a background of poverty or alienation.

There are certain individuals for whom Islam seems to be a form of rebellion. Much the same as "alternative lifestyles", communism, various forms of political activism, substance abuse, survivalism, gangs and cults.

Is rebellion against society an acceptable reason for being a Muslim? Is the motivation important in Islam or only the action?
I understand where AbuM is coming from..ive seen guys here..who aint the "plastic" gangsters..who have come into the deen and have made such changes in their lives u wudnt have even guessed the guy was a gangster..however its sad when unger kids find out bout these gangsters who gone legit and still look upto them cus of their past and not of what they r now.

[AbuMubarak]

Allah brings people to islam thru various methods, no two are alike

you may want to be "spiritual" and that is what impresses you about islam

you may want to be "revolutionary" and that is what impresses you about islam

you may be a woman who loves modesty, and islam interests you

you may be a man who loves to fight, and islam impresses you

you may wish a life of ascetism, and things in islam impress you

once one gives up thinking they are God's chosen people or that God has a son, you would be surprised what Islam has in store for you

[Al-Irhaab]

plus u got to understand where most of us guys grew up in....

i mean i dont know about you guys but i spent most of my time in places where every next man was either dealing drugs or smoking them... every other week or less there was a shooting... every day there was a fight... it was area where theres a police station thirty seconds away but if you call police it takes 2 hours for them to arrive :rolleyes:

gangstarism was like the thing... you had the hood and ur crew... then when u started practicing u had the hood and ur muslim crew...that was our gang... we needed anything we turned to each other... you had your new rules which were based on islam ... you chilled together n all...

wierd hey :rolleyes: manchester one mashed up place

[Ruprecht]

I understand where AbuM is coming from..ive seen guys here..who aint the "plastic" gangsters..who have come into the deen and have made such changes in their lives u wudnt have even guessed the guy was a gangster..however its sad when unger kids find out bout these gangsters who gone legit and still look upto them cus of their past and not of what they r now.

Sure. I've been to a clubhouse party of Christian Bikies myself. I've known some ex-cons who have found Jesus. Lots of them qualified as having been ostracised from society. My own life hasn't exactly followed the straightest or most worn path.

That doesn't make the behaviour and lifestyle of criminal bikie gangs or other criminals any less reprehensible.

[AbuMubarak]

rupert

who is saying its good to be a gangsta?

[Ruprecht]

rupert

who is saying its good to be a gangsta?

SoulAsylum.

You on the other hand seem to be saying that being a Gangsta is not as bad as being in other sub-cultures or occupations because it results from poverty and social alienation. Oh and because more Gangstas become Muslims than evil white euromerican bankers.

Correct me if I've misunderstood.

[AbuMubarak]

i did not refer to bankers as white

[Ruprecht]

i did not refer to bankers as white

No you didn't. You didn't refer to them as evil either for that matter. I was exaggerating in an attempt to show you how you come across.

What about the rest of what I said?

[AbuMubarak]

listen

i have no problem for throwing 99% of the blame of the world's problems solely on the shoulders of euromerican society

i am sure people here will say, yep, thats what abumubarak believes

but what i do not do is attribute the problems of the muslim to the kuffar, the source of the problems the muslims are endurring is 100% the fault of the muslim ummah, each and every one of us

That being said, euromerican society is exploitive (some call it profitable) where it maximizes profit in everything, regardless of social responsibilty (healthcare and criminal justice come to mind) so as a result of these "for-profit" endeavors, there is a class of the disenfranchised

they survive by their wits, and sometimes they get caught and go to jail

thats life, dont do the crime if you cant do the time, but that does not absolve the evil euromerican empire of the evil it inflicts upon people

[Ruprecht]

listen

i have no problem for throwing 99% of the blame of the world's problems solely on the shoulders of euromerican society

i am sure people here will say, yep, thats what abumubarak believes

but what i do not do is attribute the problems of the muslim to the kuffar, the source of the problems the muslims are endurring is 100% the fault of the muslim ummah, each and every one of us

That being said, euromerican society is exploitive (some call it profitable) where it maximizes profit in everything, regardless of social responsibilty (healthcare and criminal justice come to mind) so as a result of these "for-profit" endeavors, there is a class of the disenfranchised

they survive by their wits, and sometimes they get caught and go to jail

thats life, dont do the crime if you cant do the time, but that does not absolve the evil euromerican empire of the evil it inflicts upon people

Substitute "euromerican" with "gross materialism" and I would probably agree with much of what you say.
The thing is gross materialism is hardly limited to "euromericans" and I would say that gangsterism is a part of it, not some sort of victim.
I'm not a fan of Americanisation, mainly from an aesthetic perspective.
Really though capitalism and consumerism are just the logical end points of gross materialism and America is simply the strongest society in this respect. Thus American products and culture are dominant and pervasive.
I can see China (or the EU) possibly taking over the lead.
I doubt this would change much at all except for the aesthetics and a bit of redistribution.

[ur_yusra]

move along boys... :nono:

us sisters are the real gangsters ... :75: ...

[Al-Irhaab]

move along boys... :nono:

us sisters are the real gangsters ... :75: ...

i always said some sisters were more manly then most brothers :rolleyes:

[ur_yusra]

i always said some sisters were more manly then most brothers :rolleyes:

ooOOoooOOOooo Look whose suffering from jealousy pangs.. :nono:

[Al-Irhaab]

ooOOoooOOOooo Look whose suffering from jealousy pangs.. :nono:

what jealous that sisters are manly :rolleyes: i dont think so...

[Ruprecht]

i always said some sisters were more manly then most brothers :rolleyes:
Nothing wrong with tomboys.
As long as they aren't bigger and hairier than me it's all good. :D :up:

[ur_yusra]

what jealous that sisters are manly :rolleyes: i dont think so...

no you just have a perceptive problem unfortunately..

jealous of the muslimah gangstas.. :hidban:

[Al-Irhaab]

no you just have a perceptive problem unfortunately..

jealous of the muslimah gangstas.. :hidban:

u mean tomboy gangstars he he he:rolleyes:

[MMS]

Gangstaaa! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583357070717203312&q=gangster)

/\ thats malikone btw :p
(http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583357070717203312&q=gangster)

[MalikOne™]

Gangstaaa! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583357070717203312&q=gangster)

/\ thats malikone btw :p


u think ur funnyyy :torture:

[muslimah15]

hahahaha..now we all know what you look like

[MalikOne™]

I see all these peeps saying ppl turn to gangsta life so they can become respected and feared, well u can be feared and respected on tha streets without being "gangsta"

Tha term Gangsta is too loosley used, selling crack duznt make you gangsta, owning a gun duz not make u gangsta, if u sell crack u are not a gangsta u are a shotta/dealer.

and all these kids in the ghettos who dnt have much of an education tha quikest way 2 make peas for them is to sell crack, and u get them kids with no hope who dream big, and it is a quik way to get rich that is why its so appealing, crack dealers that I kno all push Range Rovers, have nice houses and have lots of jewellery, all it is, is an easier way to get out of poverty.

[MalikOne™]

hahahaha..now we all know what you look like

yeh lukin extra fly in that video :p

[AbuMubarak]

that was MMS in that video?

[MalikOne™]

that was MMS in that video?

Yeh I believe so, if it is I re-tract my above comment :p

[MMS]

that was MMS in that video?

why do you always bully me :(

i have never said anything to you :crying::crying::crying:

why do you hate me :(

[AbuMubarak]

i dont hate you

just asking if that was you

[Emelianenko]

MMS..uve been mistook for a bro on mainy occassions now :p i understand why AbuM thought it might b u :p

[MMS]

MMS..uve been mistook for a bro on mainy occassions now :p i understand why AbuM thought it might b u :p
i already told him i wasnt a bro :(

he just dislikes me for some reason, he thinks all my threads are crap and then he keeps saying im a bro:(

i never ever insulted him, he always hurts my feelings :crying:

[Emelianenko]

awww bless ur tootsies :p

MMS is a SIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS every1 :p

[imran1976]

i already told him i wasnt a bro :(

he just dislikes me for some reason, he thinks all my threads are crap and then he keeps saying im a bro:(

i never ever insulted him, he always hurts my feelings :crying:

than i wonder why u write sad poems in urdu forum....:( :( :( :(

[Ruprecht]

i already told him i wasnt a bro :(

he just dislikes me for some reason, he thinks all my threads are crap and then he keeps saying im a bro:(

i never ever insulted him, he always hurts my feelings :crying:

Maybe change the text in your avatar to pink?
More pink and a few love hearts like should make things clear. Maybe ask Guvna for a few tips on being overtly feminine ;) :D

[MMS]

than i wonder why u write sad poems in urdu forum....:( :( :( :(
now u know imran bhai :crying::crying::crying::crying:

people make me feel dukhi :(

[Emelianenko]

Maybe change the text in your avatar to pink?
More pink and a few love hearts like should make things clear. Maybe ask Guvna for a few tips on being overtly feminine ;) :D :rofl1: @ Guvna :p hehe the dudes in russia :p hopefully itll "man" him up a bit :p :D :D

[MalikOne™]

why do you always bully me :(

i have never said anything to you :crying::crying::crying:

why do you hate me :(

You started it, u was dissin me

Uncle Jee was jus stickin up for a brother :D

[MMS]

You started it, u was dissin me

Uncle Jee was jus stickin up for a brother :D

i wasnt dissing you

that guy just reminded me of you :embar:

[MalikOne™]

i wasnt dissing you

that guy just reminded me of you :embar:

ur dissing me again:torture:

*calls uncle jee*

I jus watched that video, Ima neg rep you :evilb:

[imran1976]

now u know imran bhai :crying::crying::crying::crying:

people make me feel dukhi :(

enough sis' u make me cry........:crying: :crying: :crying:

have patience bacha...:(

[MMS]

ur dissing me again:torture:

*calls uncle jee*

I jus watched that video, Ima neg rep you :evilb:

now they want to neg rep me to show me how much they hate me :(

i was only being honest :crying:

my dad always told me the truth is bitter :(

[Ruprecht]

now they want to neg rep me to show me how much they hate me :(

i was only being honest :crying:

my dad always told me the truth is bitter :(

Don't worry MMS I still love you.

In a platonic, christian, anonymous-weirdo-on-the-internet kinda way that is. :D

I bet you feel better already! :up::D

[MalikOne™]

now they want to neg rep me to show me how much they hate me :(

i was only being honest :crying:

my dad always told me the truth is bitter :(

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2441/11395765681666fp0oe.gif

[MMS]

Don't worry MMS I still love you.

In a platonic, christian, anonymous-weirdo-on-the-internet kinda way that is. :D

I bet you feel better already! :up::D

somebody once told me, jesus loves me :D

[Emelianenko]

MMS..why u posting ur wedding vid on google for :|

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3856653262416434743

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4878003444331167458

[MMS]

http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/2441/11395765681666fp0oe.gif

nice set of k9's u got there :up:

:outta:

[MMS]

MMS..why u posting ur wedding vid on google for :|

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3856653262416434743

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4878003444331167458

http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/%7Erah56/images/handy/images/laughing.jpg

[Emelianenko]

http://www-jcsu.jesus.cam.ac.uk/%7Erah56/images/handy/images/laughing.jpg
:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[MMS]

Gangstaaa! (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1583357070717203312&q=gangster)

/\ thats malikone btw :p


omg i had to watch this again before i go to bed

malik you crack me up mannn, ur tooo funny :up:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[MalikOne™]

omg i had to watch this again before i go to bed

malik you crack me up mannn, ur tooo funny :up:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Lord have mercy why do u keep comparing to me some skinny geek looking breh :torture:

[Desi_Madam]

omg i had to watch this again before i go to bed

malik you crack me up mannn, ur tooo funny :up:

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

lolllllllllll @ gangsta video lol lol lol! :rotfl:

[MMS]

lolllllllllll @ gangsta video lol lol lol! :rotfl:

mike jones!! :rotfl::rotfl:see malik someone else thinks ur funny too :up:

[Desi_Madam]

mike jones!! :rotfl::rotfl:see malik someone else thinks ur funny too :up:

malik is funny? ...wow its true what they say, u learn something new everyday!

[MalikOne™]

You two really do have some Irish/Pakistani humour :|

[snake fist]

:D mashallah those glasses suit u akhi

[MalikOne™]

:D mashallah those glasses suit u akhi

I sed diss them two, not me :torture:

[snake fist]

meh terA CHUMCHAA HU ?

[MalikOne™]

meh terA CHUMCHAA HU ?

bill kull...

we're ment 2 b fighting against tah greater evil here...

[Al-Irhaab]

bill kull...

we're ment 2 b fighting against tah greater evil here...

some people deserve a dissing :rolleyes:

[MalikOne™]

some people deserve a dissing :rolleyes:

Why is everyone picking on me? :crying:

[MMS]

:D mashallah those glasses suit u akhi

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

[elefantebianco]

MMS..why u posting ur wedding vid on google for :|

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3856653262416434743

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4878003444331167458

loooooool you guys are such jokers....

i love you MMS for the sake of Allah:inlove: ....so dnt be sad....:)

[muslimah15]

Why is everyone picking on me? :crying:

hahahaha,u rock in that vid man:up: looool..why does evryone pick on you? because you're very pick-able.*nod*

[MalikOne™]

hahahaha,u rock in that vid man:up: looool..why does evryone pick on you? because you're very pick-able.*nod*

I dont get it :scratch: ^o)

[Al-Irhaab]

Why is everyone picking on me? :crying:

ok i take it back :D even though u were a bit slo :rolleyes:

[MalikOne™]

ok i take it back :D even though u were a bit slo :rolleyes:

I was a bit slow cos I got that 24 hr msg, so i cudnt return tha rep str8 away :rolleyes: :torture:

[Desi_Madam]

Why is everyone picking on me? :crying:
buaaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahahhahahaaaaah! :rotfl:

[MalikOne™]

Do u lot realise how off-topic u have gone? I kno when u think gangsta, u naturally think me and that cant be helped but pls try stay on topic ppl.

[Desi_Madam]

Do u lot realise how off-topic u have gone? I kno when u think gangsta, u naturally think me and that cant be helped but pls try stay on topic ppl.

oh, ever so sorry Mr.G

maaf kardo
:rotfl:

[MalikOne™]

oh, ever so sorry Mr.G

maaf kardo
:rotfl:



Maaf keeteyeh

NEXT

[Black_Flag]

wow...i didnt kno this thread existed! but hey sum of the things u said here are wicked....THUG LIFE!

[Phoenix CG]

what about an M?

[Abu Mus'ab]

what about an M?
What's a M?

[Phoenix CG]

no idea lol

[Abu Mus'ab]

no idea lol
Then what about an E?

[Phoenix CG]

That just not happening no way

[Unique Muslimah]

M is Monkey:coolbro:

[Abu Mus'ab]

That just not happening no way
erm what did you think E stands for?

[H_2]

Coolio seems to think so.

[Phoenix CG]

erm what did you think E stands for?


Elephant Man

[Abu Mus'ab]

Elephant Man
You thinking about hindus? *Roll Eyes*
I meant Emo's *Roll Eyes*

[Phoenix CG]

nah the reggae artist :rotfl:

[Abu Mus'ab]

nah the reggae artist :rotfl:
As if i'd know that *Roll Eyes*

[bint]

Ghetto Gospel :up:


cool song man

[Umar`]

Coolio seems to think so.

'aint NO gangsters living in paradise' was the lyric:)

[Kal-El]

I admire Tupacs literal skill

[H_2]

'aint NO gangsters living in paradise' was the lyric:)

Actually no it is'nt....

the lyric is
"they been spending most of their lives living in a gangstas paradise.
We keep spending most of our lives living in a gangstas paradise" :)

[Umar`]

Actually no it is'nt....

the lyric is
"they been spending most of their lives living in a gangstas paradise.
We keep spending most of our lives living in a gangstas paradise" :)

im sure that lyrics in there somewhere though, its about the only one i remember, im sure its in there too.we have terms?:)

[Amatu_Rabbi]

Whoah - a gangsta thread (what next, i wonder :rolleyes:)


Those who wish to follow me (My ghetto gospel)
I welcome with my hands
And the red sun sinks at last into the hills of gold
And peace to this young warrior without the sound of guns - oops did i jus hear the windows smash!

[OBL]

heaven for a g. - heaven for a thug - NO..