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Bugatti

08-02-06, 01:04 PM

For the sisters Do you wear them?

http://www.10001designerclothing.com/acatalog/yslshoes.jpg

According to this source:

Question :

What is the ruling on women wearing high heels?

Answer :

Praise be to Allaah.

Wearing high heels is not permissible because it exposes women to the risk of falling, and we are commanded in sharee’ah to avoid danger in a general sense, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And do not kill yourselves”

[al-Nisa’ 4:29]

“and do not throw yourselves into destruction”

[al-Baqarah 2:195]

It also makes women look taller than they really are and makes their posteriors appear more prominent, and this is a kind of deception and showing the adornments which the believing woman is forbidden to show, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and not to show off their adornment except only that which is apparent (like both eyes for necessity to see the way, or outer palms of hands or one eye or dress like veil, gloves, headcover, apron), and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms) and not to reveal their adornment except to their husbands, or their fathers, or their husband’s fathers, or their sons, or their husband’s sons, or their brothers or their brother’s sons, or their sister’s sons, or their (Muslim) women (i.e. their sisters in Islam)” [al-Noor 24:31]

From Fataawa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, Majallat al-Buhooth, 9/46.

Moreover, it also makes a woman lean forward (maa’ilah ila al-amaam), so there is the fear that the warning issued to those women who walk with an enticing gait (al-maa’ilaat al-mumilaat) may apply to her too [in the hadeeth which says that such women will never even smell the fragrance of Paradise from afar]. It also harms the back, as has been proven medically. The heels also make a sound which attracts the attention of men and is a temptation to them. We ask Allaah to keep us all safe and sound.

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

It's Haraam :D

Bugatti

08-02-06, 01:05 PM

"...and let them not strike their feet so that what they hide of their ornaments may be known..."(24:31)

Ebony

08-02-06, 01:38 PM

You can't walk in heels those size :rolleyes:

Al Qadr

08-02-06, 02:25 PM

I wear heels half the time, I'm wearing 2inch pointy boots now, I'm quite short aswell. I got these other shoes that has no heel but it still makes a noise :S

Al Qadr

08-02-06, 02:54 PM

OOOh, I saw dis girl jus a lil while ago in uni, she had jilbaab n high heel beige boots underneath. But i'm wearing heels meself :S altho I'm not do't wear jilbaab, wear hijaab tho :75:

Al Qadr

08-02-06, 03:07 PM

I do wear jilbaab occasionally (to dhikr or sometimes during ramadhan). I do think about wearing it tho, looks beautiful. My regular clothes are jeans and long jacket or dress n jeans/trousers n headscarf.

And as for wearing shoes without heels - gives me an excuse to go shoe shopping ;)

Al Qadr

08-02-06, 06:36 PM

Bismillahir Ramaanir Raheem
AsSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

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-Masha’Allahu Ta’aala-

Indeed it Does .. But You See Dear Ukhti When You wear it FiSabilillah You Feel That Even More Secure – Because Your Wearing it for the Right Reasons.

It is Fard After all...

Yup … But Still, Dear Ukhti Think More About Wearing the Jilbaab –

I’ve Been Wearing My Jilbaab –Alhumdulillahi Rabil’alameen- For 2 Years Now yeh.

When I First Started Wearing My Hijaab I Used to Wear Jeans/Trousers with a Long Jacket and to Be Honest, I Felt Ridiculous, I Felt Naked and I Felt so Ashamed.

People Used to Stare – I Seriously Felt Sick to My Guts.

And then I Went and Designed Myself a Jilbaab – and Told My Mom that I Wanted to Wear One – Mom Was Against The Entire Idea – She Was Just About Getting Used to Me With My Hijaab on –

So For about 1 Year I Had to Suffer with my Dirty Clothing Gear –
I Used to Cry Ukhti – Cos I So Desperately Wanted to Wear a Jilbaab – I Used to Make Sincere Du’a That Allah (SWT) makes it Easy for Me –

And –Alhumdulillahi Rabil’alameen- Mom Finally, With Slight Hesitation, Decided to Get My Jilbaab Design Stitched ….

I Haven’t Regretted it at all – I Love It –
I Feel Superb …

Khair Insha’Allahu Ta’aala- I Pray Sincerely That One Day – Soon – I’ll Be Reading a Post By You Saying:
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WaSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

Awww, masha'Allah thats great. When I'm wearing dress N jeans or coat whatevr I feel weird sometimes :S dnt know what it is, maybe cos jeans aint nothing special n when I wear jilbaab i feel more pure n its like im saying 2 ne1 who walks past "yea Im muslim and what" :)

So, I think I'm gna go get some material and get mum 2 make me some better jilbaabs. Insha'Allah :up: thanks UmmMusab :inlove:

elefantebianco

08-02-06, 06:50 PM

Bismillahir Ramaanir Raheem
AsSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

[/B]
-Masha’Allahu Ta’aala-

Indeed it Does .. But You See Dear Ukhti When You wear it FiSabilillah You Feel That Even More Secure – Because Your Wearing it for the Right Reasons.

It is Fard After all...

Yup … But Still, Dear Ukhti Think More About Wearing the Jilbaab –

I’ve Been Wearing My Jilbaab –Alhumdulillahi Rabil’alameen- For 2 Years Now yeh.

When I First Started Wearing My Hijaab I Used to Wear Jeans/Trousers with a Long Jacket and to Be Honest, I Felt Ridiculous, I Felt Naked and I Felt so Ashamed.

People Used to Stare – I Seriously Felt Sick to My Guts.

And then I Went and Designed Myself a Jilbaab – and Told My Mom that I Wanted to Wear One – Mom Was Against The Entire Idea – She Was Just About Getting Used to Me With My Hijaab on –

So For about 1 Year I Had to Suffer with my Dirty Clothing Gear –
I Used to Cry Ukhti – Cos I So Desperately Wanted to Wear a Jilbaab – I Used to Make Sincere Du’a That Allah (SWT) makes it Easy for Me –

And –Alhumdulillahi Rabil’alameen- Mom Finally, With Slight Hesitation, Decided to Get My Jilbaab Design Stitched ….

I Haven’t Regretted it at all – I Love It –
I Feel Superb …

Khair Insha’Allahu Ta’aala- I Pray Sincerely That One Day – Soon – I’ll Be Reading a Post By You Saying:
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WaSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

Salaams to all,
how are you sis(umm musab)? insha'Allah you are all(every one here) well with the best of health and a state of high imaan....masha'Alllah sis, insha'Allah we all have a high imaan when we can finally put on the Abaya...i feel the abaya and hijaab are the clothes of a true feminst...but lets not get in to that.....

just wondering if this is serious about the high heel thing...for the hadith mentioned or was it an ayaah about not stamping your feet....this was about the women of araibia who wore anklets with bells and so made noise when the walked and its basic reason was to get attention...heels are not my kinda thing....i just disagree with going through any type of discomfort for fashion....its a feminst stand lol....but i never knew that they were haraam....are we not bwing a little to hasty to shout the words haraam.....surely only Allah and the prophet can make things haraaam....we should only say if anything that they are makrooh...

wa Allahu Allam....

May Allah forgive me if i have said anything wrong....guide us all.....and help us get to janaat al faradous....

(p.s any good places to buy jilbabs from)

fi amaan illah
salaams

.: Anna :.

08-02-06, 07:14 PM

Jilbabs u can buy in Holloway, this place called scarf house on Hornsey road :up: or.... East London.

Thruster_LanceThruster

08-02-06, 08:20 PM

I'm curious. One of the passges quoted at the beginning had to do with safety. I would think that there are some instances where a woman wearing the hijaab or burqa (sorry if spelling is off) could put women at risk in the same way that halloween costumes that restrict vision or have too much loose material that could get caught pose a potential danger.

As far as women's shoes go, if your religious doctrines allow it, I'm all for it. Nothing more attractive on a woman (dare I say 'sexy'?) than a nice pair of shoes (heels or not).

Black_Rose

08-02-06, 08:26 PM

.: Anna :.

08-02-06, 08:31 PM

yeah i agree with black rose mayb we should b careful to go so far as to say its definitely haram etc...
bt from the reasons, mayb we can see its not the best thing 2 do.
also wn lance etc say it looks "sexy" thats another reason, wearing hijab and jilbab... u dnt really aim 2 look sexy walking down the street, save that for @ home wiv ur hubby :rolleyes: (im not saying we should look like a tramp, jst like clean and tidy n presentable, thats it)

Black_Rose

08-02-06, 08:36 PM

LOL, yeh but if you look at his post, he said they look sexy in any nice shoes, with or without heels.. so I for one don't care what random blokes think, I'm not about to start going bare-footed just because some people have shoe fetishes, I'm sure other men will have bare feet ones, and others still will like otehr things.

Men will be men at the end of the day, and different men will find different things attractive or enticing..

As long as we take the precautions we're commanded to take and our intention is not to entice, then we are free of their thoughts and desires.. and I don't think we should have to bend over backwards to repel every which one of them.

Just ignore and carry on our business and obey Allah(swt).. the rest is not our problem.

.: Anna :.

08-02-06, 09:38 PM

AbuMubarak

08-02-06, 09:44 PM

just for the record, that ayat about "do not kill yourselves" has nothing to do with bodily harm, it was after the battle of tabuk and the muslims wanted to go back to farming

Allah was telling them to stay on jihad, and that to abandon jihad was the equivalent of "killing yourselves"

this is why muslims should study the quran, and study the life of the prophet, and learn about the islamic approach to things and stop quoting ayats that do not apply to make them appear to mean one thing, merely to try to make islam more palatable to the kuffar and modern thinking

Bugatti

08-02-06, 09:44 PM

btw these r plimsolls.. incase u dint know: ARNT THEY WOOOOOW:D

http://www.oldschoolyard.co.uk/plimsolls.JPG

This is more funny than when people say music is harram :D

This is an interesting debate. in western society a high heel is deemed as sexy and fashion forward, two things that a committed Muslimah probably shouldnt have on the top of her list of daily priorities. now, yes, it is nice to look attractive for one's husband... but how often does one prace around the house in heels? I dont know if heels should be classified as haram... but definitly not recommended, wouldnt you think?

historically, the ahadith warning of the noises coming from feet were centered around the ankle braclets that women during the time of the Prophet (saw) wore, particularily before the Revelation. women back in the day were not running around in pumps....

Black_Rose

08-02-06, 09:49 PM

This is more funny than when people say music is harram :D
Apples and oranges.

Music is a whole different kettle of fish and there are very clear hadiths about that and direct references to instruments and music.

aabidah

08-02-06, 09:51 PM

[quote=anna2000uk]Yep sister I do agree wit u :)
we should think 4 ourselves wen buying shoes tho is it appropriate or not, if we think insha allah its ok, its not our fault if some weirdo is strangely attracted. cos lets face it even if we wear rubber wellies some loser will find it attractrive :rolleyes: lol :p[/quote
ture say sis it depends entiraly on the person itself. As far as making it haraam i dont know about you but until i havnt heard from my own mufti or read it in a kitaab which is near enough to take the daleel from then i would belive it.
wasalaam

AbuMubarak

08-02-06, 09:53 PM

bughati,

to get a fatwa to mock it, really, that is a very low level of imaan

because the scholars, people we are supposed to respect, have spent years on studying islam (how much time have YOU spent) and they come up with a decision

if you agree with it, that is one thing, and if you disagree with it, then that is something else

but you do not ridicule scholars, merely based upon the fact you disagree with them

now we have some scholars who are not to be ridiculed, but they are to be refuted because they do not teach islam, but more about trying to compromise islam

but when scholars say, you should not watch soccer because its a waste of time and the awra is exposed, or you should not wear high heeled shoes because of this and that

these are not topics of ridicule

.: Anna :.

08-02-06, 09:57 PM

lolll the picture of plimsoles.
reminds me of primary school days!
:rotfl:

Mary Carol

08-02-06, 10:01 PM

... it Looks Really Dumb - and Dangerous

We agree then.

“Most women are intimately aware that the prolonged wearing of even moderate heels can cause foot, ankle and knee problems and lead to back pain, but very few are aware of the very real health consequences caused by these ‘unnatural’ positions.” Explains Moy who is counted among the UK’s top health and fitness Experts.

“It’s not just about the feet, it effects EVERY single function in every joint and muscle throughout the body and can seriously effect the health of women that insist upon wearing them.”

“More important than the postural problems involved however, is the potential problems that high heels can cause in relation to fertility, menstrual cycles and abdominal function.”

“When you wear high-heels, the pressure on the front of the foot causes you to compensate by excessive forward tilting of the pelvis. This tilting allows the abdominal contents to spill forward, producing that ‘pooch’ that many women have wrongly come to think of a ‘fat stomach’ and in doing so compressing internal organs in a condition known as visceroptosis. If left unchecked this can lead to menstrual dysfunction and increases in period pains and well as affecting the ability to conceive.”

http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=24081&hilite (http://www.responsesource.com/releases/rel_display.php?relid=24081&hilite)=

Bugatti

08-02-06, 10:06 PM

bughati,

to get a fatwa to mock it,
U got the wrong impression;)

Podiatrists say high heels are "biomechanically and orthopedically unsound," citing medical, postural and safety faults of such heels, according to the American Podiatric Medical Association. Among the litany of problems to which stilettos and their sister heels contribute are knee and back problems, disabling injuries in falls and shortened calf muscles, not to mention an awkward, unnatural gait.

Heels force the thigh muscles to work harder, putting extra strain on the knee joint and tendon that runs from the knee cap to the thigh bone. Compared with walking barefoot, high heels increase the pressure on the inside of the knee by 26 percent. Over time, this increased pressure on the knee can lead to osteoarthritis."
- source: [/URL] to the American Orthopaedic Foot and Ankle Society, people take an average of 10,000 steps a day. High heels shift the force of each of those steps so that the most pressure ends up on the ball of the foot and on the bones at the base of the toes. (If you wear flats, the entire foot would absorb this impact.) A 3-inch heel -- most experts consider a heel "high" at 2 inches or more -- creates three to six times more stress on the front of the foot than a shoe with a modest one-inch heel.

As a result, heels can lead to bunions, heel pain, toe deformities, shortened Achilles tendons, and trapped nerves. In fact, women account for about 90% of the nearly 800,000 operations each year for bunions, hammertoes (a permanent deformity of the toe joint in which the toe bends up slightly and then curls downward, resting on its tip), and trapped nerves, and most of these surgeries can be linked back to their high-heeled shoe choice.

The problems can travel upward, too. The ankle, knee, and hip joints can all suffer from your footwear preferences. When you walk in flats, the muscles of the leg and thigh have an opportunity to contract as well as to stretch out. However, when wearing your high-heeled shoes, the foot is held in a downward position as you walk. This keeps the knee, hip, and low back in a somewhat flexed position, which prevents the muscles that cross the backside of these joints to stretch out as they normally would. Over time, this can lead to stiffness, pain, and injury. High heels can also cause lower back strain, because the heel causes your body to pitch forward more than normal, putting excess pressure on the back."
- source: [URL="http://www.humana.com/webmd/wom_qashoe.asp"]http://www.humana.com/webmd/wom_qashoe.asp (http://www.healthatoz.com)

Black_Rose

08-02-06, 10:14 PM

I worked in a shoe shop for about two years, and the old women that come in, after a lifetime of wearing pointy shoes, eww.. their toes overlap one another and yes bunions are common if you've been wearing pointy shoes.

But that is because of prolonged wearing, over decades, which isn't clever.

If you only wear them occasionally it isn't a problem.

The quotes you and Mary Carol provided are enlightening though. :up:

.: Anna :.

08-02-06, 10:32 PM

I've seen those kinda feet Black rose!!!
Mary Carol I never heard that b4 about the fertility actually, its very interessting!

Typical indian

08-02-06, 10:46 PM

I veer high heels i am short. Is it haraam for me?

lonely_me

08-02-06, 10:46 PM

OMG OMG OMG!! NOOOOO high heels can never be haraam!!! Nooooo... They're SHOES!! and if they don't make any noise than why should they be haraam!!

Please say they're not haraam :crying:

Quest

08-02-06, 10:52 PM

I am 5'8, i guess wearing heels is never on my to do list:rolleyes:

Bugatti

08-02-06, 11:02 PM

source: islamonline.net

Modesty is highly emphasized in Islam. That is the reason why Islam emphasizes hijab and proper Islamic dress for Muslim women. I cannot say that high-heels are haram, but if they are harmful physically. If they make noise as you say when walking in front of people, then they would be makruh and should be avoided.

A Muslim woman should try her best to stick to the teachings of Islam when she appears in a public context. Although there is no religious text forbidding women from wearing high heels, a Musli woman should properly conduct herself by sticking to moderation in all her actions. It has been scientifically proven by some doctors that wearing a high heel shoes is harmful to a woman’s health, especially her back as it leads to backache. It is for this reason that a group of Muslim scholars state that wearing high heels maybe discouraged for the Muslim woman because of the harm that is inflicted on her as a result.

In addition, Islam lays much emphasis that a woman should pay special attention to her gait. Referring to the feet of the woman and to what extent their movement can be a source of temptation, Allah says in the Qur'an, (…And let them not stamp their feet so as to reveal what they hide of their adornment. And turn unto Allah together, O believers, in order that ye may succeed…) (An-Nur: 31- 24)

Thus, the Muslim woman should conduct herself properly while sticking to moderation. No one can say that high heels are forbidden for the Muslim woman as there is no text to prohibit that, but there are levels to public decorum and there are limits for appearing in public.

You can also read:

How Should a Muslim Woman Conduct Herself? (http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543400)

Allah Almighty knows best.

Mary Carol

09-02-06, 01:41 PM

OMG OMG OMG!! NOOOOO high heels can never be haraam!!! Nooooo... They're SHOES!! and if they don't make any noise than why should they be haraam!!

Please say they're not haraam :crying:

Even before I became Muslim they were a no-no for me.

How does one ever manage to walk in them without looking clumsy? :embar:

Maybe if Allah (swt) had given us feet shaped like a Barbie doll it would be easier?

elefantebianco

09-02-06, 02:01 PM

OMG OMG OMG!! NOOOOO high heels can never be haraam!!! Nooooo... They're SHOES!! and if they don't make any noise than why should they be haraam!!

Please say they're not haraam :crying:

Salaams sweetie,
Heels a no no for me cause of my height....but no one can make something haraam.....if they do not attract attention i.e by making noise and you can walk fine and comfortably in them do not worry...or better still ask a sheikh...for we can not just make fatwas...when we do not have sufficient knowledge on the subject...;)

May Allah forgive me if i have said anything wrong...may he guide us all and keep us on the sirat al mustaqeem...ameen

SoulAsylum

09-02-06, 02:07 PM

Bismillahir Ramaanir Raheem
AsSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

Excellent Post Bugatti -

-Insha'Allahu Ta'aala- That'll Open the Eyes of Many Sisters to NOT Wear Such High Heels -

Sis Bambino -
I'm Not Exactly Tall Myself but Me and High Heels is a Defo No No ... For Me its all About Flat Shoes -

I've Seen Muslimahs That Wear Jilbaabs and Wear these Super High Mocking Shoes ... it Looks Really Dumb - and Dangerous -

WaSalamu 'Alaikum WaRahmatullahi WaBarakatuhu to My Dear Muslim Brothers and Sisters in Islam

UmmMusab.........i was under the impression that u was a brother :confused:

Thruster_LanceThruster

09-02-06, 02:47 PM

Too bad. The post made many good points.

Umm Khadijah

09-02-06, 02:48 PM

May Allah forgive me if i have said anything wrong...may he guide us all and keep us on the sirat al mustaqeem...ameen

Ameen :)

ALHAMDULILAH, either way, whether it is haram or halal, it doesn't really affect me as I've never been into wearing high heels. Partly because I nearly fell over the first time I wore them...maybe I just don't know how to walk in them. I think flat shoes looks much nicer then heels :)

elefantebianco

09-02-06, 03:00 PM

Ameen :)

ALHAMDULILAH, either way, whether it is haram or halal, it doesn't really affect me as I've never been into wearing high heels. Partly because I nearly fell over the first time I wore them...maybe I just don't know how to walk in them. I think flat shoes looks much nicer then heels :)

Lol
when i was younger like in early years of high school i used to wear those really disgusting chunky shoes....like kickers but now in coll...i love my trainers...or boots with hardly any heal...so comfy...i wore 3.5 inch heels to a wedding and tried to dance arabic in them...was i the laughing stock or what...lol...it really hurts when you twist your ankle in heels....erm this post seems rather pointles...so erm lets make a little dua'a to bring some ajaar...(insha'Allah)

May Allah guide us all, strengthen our faith...shower us with mercy and forgive us our sins...May he help the muslims around the world...and make us victorious....ameen ya raab....

Thruster_LanceThruster

09-02-06, 04:46 PM

My deleted post basically said pleasant looking shoes or peds will get a pleasant reaction.

I offered that about the only way to prevent that was to encase the feet in concrete or ****** them.

Wow. That's what I call pushing the envelope.

*islamia

09-02-06, 04:53 PM

As Salamu Alakium Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barkatu,

I think another reason why high heeled shoes are haram is becase they make you a height that Allah az wa jaal did not orginally make you in, and if you were a jilbab with them or skirt, no one may see them, and it may seem that that is your hieght.
Sisters I also suggest that remember, this is not the sisters forum, please dotn speak of you dancing or such. A freindly reminder:) .

BarakAllahu Feeq

-*islamia

If I said anything wrong it is from me, and if I said anything correct, it is from Allah az wa jaal.

.: Anna :.

09-02-06, 05:58 PM

UmmMusab.........i was under the impression that u was a brother :confused:lol but she's called UMM musaab :p

SoulAsylum

09-02-06, 06:53 PM

lol but she's called UMM musaab :p

|Rite..........but theres also a brother with a similar user id. I think i have mistaken the two.

Al Qadr

09-02-06, 08:36 PM

Jilbabs u can buy in Holloway, this place called scarf house on Hornsey road :up: or.... East London.

Holloway rd station? really? :rubeyes:

.: Anna :.

09-02-06, 08:45 PM

Holloway rd station? really? :rubeyes: yeah u get out of holloway road and just go down down down holloway road til u come 2 the junction of seven sisters round, nearby to clarks shoes, 99p store and peacocks (opposite those) and there it is :p its closed on fridays, open every other day. they seem a nice family who run it masha allah, got cute kids lol :up: so giv them ur business insha allah :D hehe :hidban:

Nightfall

09-02-06, 08:50 PM

The "reasoning" used in this just seems a bit flawed.

Women can fall in heels without tripping, like Lance said and I agree you would probably be more likely to trip because of a jilbaab than heels. A bit of heel would actually make it easier to wear a jilbaab because it wouldn't get caught under your feet when you walk upstairs.

Not just jilbaabs, wide trouser legs are the same and heels mean that the bottom of the trouser doesn't get stuck under foot, but still covers you below your ankle even.

This just sounds like a case of lets make eveyrthing haraam syndrome. Your butt does not stick out 'cuz of heels and nor does you have to lean forward :eek3:

No offense but what would a male scholar know about what it's like to walk in heels.
Q.2] Is it permissible for women to wear high-heeled shoes?

[A.2] This is not permissible. It involves resembling the disbelieving women, or the wicked women. It has its origins amongst the Jewish women before Islaam. When one of them wanted to attend a gathering where her lover was present, she would wear a pair of high shoes for him to see her, being taller. Then after a time, those became high-heeled shoes. Further, that type of shoe changes a woman’s way of walking, causing her to tilt from left to right, and therefore, the wicked and unbelievers choose this type of shoe. Therefore, a Muslim woman following the Sharee’ah (Islaamic Law) should not wear high-heeled shoes; especially since many times it causes her to fall!

Al Qadr

09-02-06, 08:55 PM

yeah u get out of holloway road and just go down down down holloway road til u come 2 the junction of seven sisters round, nearby to clarks shoes, 99p store and peacocks (opposite those) and there it is :p its closed on fridays, open every other day. they seem a nice family who run it masha allah, got cute kids lol :up: so giv them ur business insha allah :D hehe :hidban:

OOh, okie, holloway rd aint that from me by tube so I cld check it out, thanks 4 d directions, ur a star ;) oh do I turn right or left from holloway rd station?