Surely the Time Has Come To Ban All Non-Muslims?

[-Shamil-]

Salam Alaikum

The last 4-5 threads ive read have been filled with nothing but dirty pictures and language from these disgusting kuffar.
And alot of what they to represent some of the non-muslims on here with what they say.

I joined expecting a Muslim forum and inshallah gain a little more knowledge. Im afraid this rapidly turing away from a muslim forum towards a free-for-all.

I know the mods have a hard job but would it be easier if all known non-muslims were banned?
We certainly wouldnt have alot of this filth around and it would make the forum a more pleasant place.

[muslim warrior0]

im with you bro....
i agree all the way...
the pictures were just disgusting and i have a feeling its a current member (non muslim) who is trying to be funny.

i hate to say it...but i think its best if you ban 'em

[BubbleGum]

Forum policy has always been that non-Muslims are welcome as long as they don't disrespect Islam, the Prophets or the Quran. But don't you worry, lads. AbuMubarek will clean house of those who violate the above when he gets back.

You'll still have to put up with me, though :D




~Bub

[sajid]

Salams

just cos a few "spammers" came thru it dont justify banning all non muslims

we get problems like this where we are linked from some Right Wing Yankee website forum and all their members come on and post porn on here (they will be dealt with inshallah dont worry bout them..)

just because the forum got spammed by "newbies" notice all those posters that spammed were new people and have all been banned it dont justify banning all the current non muslims - majority are sensible in the sense they dont spam with porn

[Sultan]

Just don't let the same miscreants return under another id.

Permanent ban more appropriate.

[Refugee]

Salam Alaikum

The last 4-5 threads ive read have been filled with nothing but dirty pictures and language from these disgusting kuffar.
And alot of what they to represent some of the non-muslims on here with what they say.

I joined expecting a Muslim forum and inshallah gain a little more knowledge. Im afraid this rapidly turing away from a muslim forum towards a free-for-all.

I know the mods have a hard job but would it be easier if all known non-muslims were banned?
We certainly wouldnt have alot of this filth around and it would make the forum a more pleasant place.

Yeah i am with you and its about time

[Al-ghurabah]

ive been saying this for ages now. they say bad things and are here to just attack not learn.

no1 listens .
sajid bro tell us
what is the purpose of this forum.
is it a place for muslims to learn and non-muslism to find out about islam.
or is it just a forum for any1 to chit chat.
cos one of my posts i wrote about non muslim being banned.
one of them replied syaing hecomes here for just discussions. and tahts wahts ist here for.
is it just like a chat room or something.

[Yurt]

I disagree. I recieved an incredible amount of help today in the general forum.

Ban non muslims if you will, but it is on your conscience.

[Mary Carol]

...would it be easier if all known non-muslims were banned?

But then how would the site succeed in dawah?

I believe that besides myself alhumdulilah, Makki, Kaiser (ex-mod), oneshot (current mod), and Mustafa83 all reverted after becoming members here.

O you who believe!
be patient and excel in patience
and remain steadfast,
and be careful of (your duty to) Allah,
that you may be successful.

~Imran 3.2

[Ar-Raya]

But then how would the site succeed in dawah?

Perhaps the time has come to review the whole point of this forum...

[AbuMubarak]

this forum is for dawa

and its nice to see some of our muslims actually can quote an ayat or two

it shows that miracles still happen

[Mary Carol]

Perhaps the time has come to review the whole point of this forum...

Perhaps.

Some here have called for a 3-day rule for non-Muslims.

3 days to revert, or they are outta here.

The thing is, it actually takes patience to succeed in dawa.

May we be blessed with it.

[AbuMubarak]

it was never three days to revert

three days to day what they gotta say, then they are outta here

whether they revert or not is between them and Allah

i still think that is a bloody good idea

[Azfal]

First question is how do we determine who is a non-muslim?

Also if you would like I can get or make a program to block the IP of those banned people who try to return under a different name. I would need some forum spec. (via PM or email) and two weeks to get that for the forum

[Ruprecht]

Hmm I came here to see if it was possible for Muslims and Non-muslims to coexist.
See if it was possible to have some non-adversarial discussion.
3-days wouldn't have cut it.

The number of individuals (from all "sides") who have bought into the "Us vs Them" bollocks, which is being spouted from all directions, is disheartening. There are quite a few people on this board who have convinced me it DOESN'T have to be that way.
Seperation fuels the enmity.

[lonely_me]

It's just ridiculous to ban non-muslims.

[Juno_NH]

If some people want it then we must find a situation where all parties are happy :) yes alot of people come onto this forum just to spread hate, and as it is a muslim forum i know that when i say sometimes its the muslims spreading hate (oh i dont know, but a poem about beheading comes to mind...) probably nothing will be done, i would prefer that for us to exchange knowledge and learn about islam in a way which feelings do not become an over-riding issue, we could have some sort of measuring system for people who cause disturbance in the ummah, with perhaps a % warning or automatic stage system where the admins can award different stage penalties to offenders and remove privilages, also blocking ip's could be a measure taken to reduce repeat offence's. Is a full ban on all non-muslims really necessary?

[.: Anna :.]

Those non Muslims who don't cause trouble are welcome.
Sometimes we have them here and they are nice and polite etc and interested in Islam and then one day subhanallah they are announcing they have become muslim, or they want to be Muslim.

Those who cause problems, we always try to deal with them and remove them.

[xs11ax]

there are kafirs on ummah now who's only purpose is to degrade islam and try to sow the seed of doubt in the minds of the impressionable.

they do this in a very calculated and precise manner so that they do not expose their true purpose.

why else would they spend all day, everyday posting on a muslim forum and bring up questions and articles that portray Islam in a bad light.

these people are laughing at us and treating islam like a joke. should they be allowed to dishonour Islam on our own forum? there are many kafir forums like that so why should we allow the same.

granted some kafirs come here to learn but these are only a few, and they too get put off Islam by the other kafir posters.

those who are interested to learn in order to convert should be allowed but those who say they are atheist or other religions who only come to argue should be banned.

[AbuMubarak]

i dont understand the screen name, but i like this xx11ax guy

[Al-Irhaab]

some of the 'muslims' on here need to be banned :rolleyes:

[bint]

:D some of the 'muslims' on here need to be banned :rolleyes:


hu ru they?

[Bugatti]

It's just ridiculous to ban non-muslims.

I agree :up:

[Leena_Cnd]

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Salam Alaikum
I know the mods have a hard job but would it be easier if all known non-muslims were banned?
We certainly wouldnt have alot of this filth around and it would make the forum a more pleasant place.
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Ummah forum has become a free-for-all.
Banning though, is not just. .:rolleyes:
A more suitable solution is to have a "Open Forum for Non-Muslims" on this site;
Or a "Open Forum for Non-Muslims, Opposing Views", Or
"debating Open Forums for Non Muslims"
This would not necessarly stop the abuse, but would make it easier for the mods.
If anyone is abusing they would be only allowed to post in the specified threads, and lock out of the general threads.
Have to admit, this abuse is disheartening and other solutions should be looked into.
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[WH]

Is this an example of islamic dawa?

Are you an example of kufr daw'ah?

If we were to leave the fold of Al Islaam (perish the thought- authu'billah) as a kaffir would we be like you Yurt?

[Yurt]

Are you an example of kufr daw'ah?

If we were to leave the fold of Al Islaam (perish the thought- authu'billah) as a kaffir would we be like you Yurt?

So typical of you. You don't add anything of value here, you only bothered to post just so you could insult me.

If you are an example of a muslim, then maybe I don't want to know any.

[a mu-min]

only allah can guide and those who were guided was not because of this forum but it was because allah guided.


5:57 O ye who believe! Choose not for friends such of those who received the Scripture before you, and of the disbelievers, as make a Jest and sport of your religion. But keep your duty to Allah if ye are true believers.


6:70 And forsake those who take their religion for a pastime and a Jest, and whom the life of the world beguileth. Remind (mankind) hereby lest a soul be destroyed by what it earneth. It hath beside Allah no friend nor intercessor, and though it offer every compensation it will not be accepted from it. Those are they who perish by their own deserts. For them is drink of boiling water and a painful doom, because they disbelieved.



5:58 And when ye call to prayer they take it for a Jest and sport. That is because they are a folk who understand not.

18:106 That is their reward: hell, because they disbelieved, and made a Jest of Our revelations and Our messengers.


18:56 We send not the messengers save as bearers of good news and warners. Those who disbelieve contend with falsehood in order to refute the Truth thereby. And they take Our revelations and that wherewith they are threatened as a Jest.

[WH]

So typical of you. You don't add anything of value here, you only bothered to post just so you could insult me.

If you are an example of a muslim, then maybe I don't want to know any.

First of all young man my post here was NOT typical of me- typical old me would have readily joined the wholesome chorus of voices (in my opinion so far justified by what I can see) getting tired of you and your pals but alas I refrained from joining them for a while as this is one that has left me slightly purplexed.

Secondly I added a question so as to clarify your question and position- this was valuable indeed, instead of moaning why did you choose NOT to answer it?

Thirdly dear sir witness that I made no insult your way- so why read into my intentions? If your referring to me calling you a 'kaffir' than na'am you are one as a Non-Muslim/ Disbeliever/ Unbeliever/ Non-Believer/ Potenial Muslim etc. the correct Islamic terminology for you and other kuffar is that you are collectively kaffiroun- as an individual a kaffir.

If you feel so hurt by it dear boy I will stop that kaffir calling all too easily, I accept being called a kaffir and being one isn't at all nice as it is a life and death devoid whether consciencely or not so of Al Islaam, indeed I promise you I will- all that dislike of you and your inner hurt can stop just take the Shahadah and become a Muslim and kalas we shall become brothers in dean. :up: (Now this is what you call daw'ah ;) )

And forthly na'am I am an example of a Muslim- not 'the' example of them all as you will find a plenty on Ummah.com and without far better than I. The best ofcourse was the Prophet Muhammed (saw) look to him as the example you should seek.

If you do NOT wish to know any Muslims than it is your choice and your loss but somehow blowing my post out of proportion and using emotional blackmale is rather shallow- even by your standards Yurt.

Bro/ sis. a mu-min subha'allah your post containing the ayath was beautiful indeed, it is Allah (swt) whom guides whom he wills.

[Mary Carol]

this forum is for dawa

And without open access to non-Muslims you would be preaching to the choir...as they say.

So is the purpose of the forum dawa or not?

Perhaps a greater responsibility lies at the feet of the Muslims here to provide dawa rather than insult or antagonation.

Lead by example...and that applies to all who are members.

[abdusamad]

Those who come to hear are the serious ones, but those who come with the intention to speak have a different agenda planned.


If this forum is for dawah purposes, it can be done by restricting the kuffar. At the very moment they use it to debate, and who are we to discuss and debate Allaah's religion on this forum?

Majority of us dont even UNDERSTAND the knowledge we have.

[AbuMubarak]

And without open access to non-Muslims you would be preaching to the choir...as they say.

So is the purpose of the forum dawa or not?

Perhaps a greater responsibility lies at the feet of the Muslims here to provide dawa rather than insult or antagonation.

Lead by example...and that applies to all who are members.
you should focus on learning basic islamic understanding

how can you lead people to islam when you dont have the foggiest idea of what you are talking about?

and why, does the ummah.com drama queen, have to quote my posts? there are so many KINDER AND GENTLER Muslims you coould quote

please let me know the people who think i am rude to the kuffar and those who think i treat the kuffar appropriately (ie, not trying to become their best friends by distorting islam into some type of "god is love" religion) i will abide by the decision of the muslims

but for a people who come here to attack islam and sharee'a (including some who claim to be muslim) i have nothing but disdain for, they could eat dirt and die for all i care

[sajid]

What you gotta understawnd is ummah.com is probably one or if not the only Islamic Board which attracts a load of non Muslim Posters

Some come here to debate

some come here to learn

some come to to take the mick

I think by count there has been around 3? possibly 4 non Muslims from the boiard converting to Islam Due to the influence of the forum namely certain muslim posters and all......(Yes it actually happens!)

IF there are non muslims that come to take the mick we spot em and they get banned Eventually

if there are people come here to debate we welcome them and mayb give them dawah

think about it..if we banned all the non muslims on this board..it would be boring in the sense that we would all be sitting down agreeing with each other on Current Events Issues and all.......and there would be no debate at all
atleast with the non muslims posters we have here there are PEOPLE with opposing views ie. War supporters that sorta stuff........in this way we can engage in debates

At the end of the day what is a forum for? to engage in debates

if we all agreed on one thing then i think the forum would be pretty boring ?

we got the diversity and the culture here @ ummah and alhumdullah we have some Excellent Muslim Posters on this board which are soo good at handling Non Muslim and discussing with them Moayyid and Jamila being on the list for the awesome work in Comparitive religion

[sajid]

Perhaps.

Some here have called for a 3-day rule for non-Muslims.

3 days to revert, or they are outta here.

The thing is, it actually takes patience to succeed in dawa.

May we be blessed with it.
huh??w00t?

[Mary Carol]

huh??w00t?

AbuMubarak has clarified.

His idea was:

it was never three days to revert

three days to day(sic) what they gotta say, then they are outta here

whether they revert or not is between them and Allah

i still think that is a bloody good idea

[Mary Carol]

What you gotta understawnd is ummah.com is probably one or if not the only Islamic Board which attracts a load of non Muslim Posters

Some come here to debate

some come here to learn

some come to to take the mick

I think by count there has been around 3? possibly 4 non Muslims from the boiard converting to Islam Due to the influence of the forum namely certain muslim posters and all......(Yes it actually happens!)

IF there are non muslims that come to take the mick we spot em and they get banned Eventually

if there are people come here to debate we welcome them and mayb give them dawah

think about it..if we banned all the non muslims on this board..it would be boring in the sense that we would all be sitting down agreeing with each other on Current Events Issues and all.......and there would be no debate at all
atleast with the non muslims posters we have here there are PEOPLE with opposing views ie. War supporters that sorta stuff........in this way we can engage in debates

At the end of the day what is a forum for? to engage in debates

if we all agreed on one thing then i think the forum would be pretty boring ?

we got the diversity and the culture here @ ummah and alhumdullah we have some Excellent Muslim Posters on this board which are soo good at handling Non Muslim and discussing with them Moayyid and Jamila being on the list for the awesome work in Comparitive religion

At the end of the day sajid, the forum is a success, alhumdullah!

I'm sure there are forums that discourage discussion and opposing viewpoints.

If that is what members desire, can't they seek out those venues?

[a mu-min]

now you are telling the musilms to leave?

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikum

now you are telling the musilms to leave?

Subahanallh. May Allah forgive us all.

Narrated Anas: Allah's Apostle said, "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."
Volume 3, Book 43, Number 624:

But more importantly Allah emphasises within the Noble Qur'an many times

Let not the believers take disbeliever for their friends in preference to believers. Whoso doeth that hath no connection with Allah unless (it be) that ye but guard yourselves against them, taking (as it were) security. Allah biddeth you beware (only) of Himself. Unto Allah is the journeying.
(Noble Quran.3:28)

O ye who believe! Take not for intimates others than your own folk, who would spare no pains to ruin you; they love to hamper you. Hatred is revealed by (the utterance of) their mouths, but that which their breasts hide is greater. We have made plain for you the revelations if ye will understand.
(Noble Quran.3:118)

They wish that you reject Faith, as they have rejected (Faith), and thus that you all become equal (like one another). So take not Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) from them, till they emigrate in the Way of Allâh (to Muhammad SAW). But if they turn back (from Islâm), take (hold) of them and kill them wherever you find them, and take neither Auliyâ' (protectors or friends) nor helpers from them.
(The Noble Quran 4:89 )

O Prophet! Strive hard against the Unbelievers and the Hypocrites, and be firm against them. Their abode is Hell; an evil refuge (indeed).
(Noble Quran 66:9)

Of course that doesn't mean we are to resort to childish insults :embar: but yes be firm. Ban them for any derogatory comment. It's one thing coming on asking a question however controversial because inshAllah the question can be answered with the intention of Da'wah but if the rubbish continues even after the truth has been laid before them then why allow it? One question and either they accept the answer or even ask for clarification if they like but any ridicule should be an instant ban!

Allah knows best

Wa Alaikumassalam

[a mu-min]

ameen may allah forgive us all.


to make things all clear i was talking about mary carol saying



"I'm sure there are forums that discourage discussion and opposing viewpoints.

If that is what members desire, can't they seek out those venues?"


and I asked her


"now you're telling the musilms to leave?"

[a mu-min]

maybe this explains why Daddy banga comes to this website.



what do you want me to say? i am a patriotic american to a certain extent, but the jewish illumininati blderbergers trilateratists cut me a check for $2,500.00 a month to campaign on their behalf on this website alone. How could i pass that extra cash up?



they're paid to go to forums, I wonder where that kind of money comes from? (hint: taxes)


http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=74586&page=2

[Juno_NH]

Is there really that kind of money available? u know if i was so mind set, i would gladly take the zionists money, and preach their words, and fight their battles, then send the money to the palestinian goverment as a donation :)

[Leena_Cnd]

[quote=Mary Carol]I'm sure there are forums that discourage discussion and opposing viewpoints.quote]
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Not for one minute do I believe ANYONE here, discourages discussions !
If that was the case this forum would NOT exist !
What is NOT tolerated is constant trashing of Islam (by some), which is a blasphmey to Muslims.
I personally will not apologize for my faith, while exposing their hypocracy.
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May we seek truth by way of Allah, and have Allah guide us.
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[marianna]

Yes, why not curtail freedom of expression. Duh

[AbuMubarak]

because respect to Allah supercedes any freedom of expression

[Juno_NH]

I agree with that, but the thing u gotta understand is the people who do this have no respect for anyone, not just allah (swt) so blocking everyone isnt going to heal their social ill's, but will exclude those who want to discuss islam, but yeah i guess a ban on all non muslims will probabaly curtail the problem, but it seems looking at history of man, instead of solving the problem, it mite just change it from kaffirs vs muslims, to shi'a vs sunni or something....

[muslim woman]

ive been saying this for ages now. they say bad things and are here to just attack not learn.

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Me too:up: You know they are not here to embrace Islam they are just here to insult,so let us banned them all.:torture:

[Weapon]

Come on folks, if you ban them all then you wouldn't get to speak to me everyday. That would just be upsetting!!! :D

I wish someone would pay me to come here that would make it even better, Debate, Learn, Discuss, AND GET PAID!!! That would be great.

[Mobstyle]

dont ban...just control...my 2c

[Isaisking]

please don't ban me :freedom: lol

[AbuMubarak]

no one is going to ban all of the kuffar

you guys are too entertaining

[Weapon]

no one is going to ban all of the kuffar

you guys are too entertaining

Why thank you, we try!! :D

[carol_au]

Well, I don't get paid for coming here and neither would I want to be. Why am I here..

Unashamably for two reasons..

1. Because there is a lot of stuff out there in print which is absolutely wrong about Islam. I have come to learn what you believe and why you believe it.

BUT

2. I cannot stand by and see people say things that are not true about Christianity no matter what their faith. I am hoping that my presence here, whilst primarily it has taught me more about Islam than I could learn in a life time of reading books, will also help readers to see that much of the stuff in print out there is absolutely wrong about Christianity.

I for one would miss this place if you were to ban me.

[Juno_NH]

no one is going to ban all of the kuffar

you guys are too entertaining

bwahaha!!! i live to serve :P