Hijab and job

[Felussa]

Salam Aleykoum,

I'm a new comer on the forum,
sorry if my english is not so good: I'm French.

I have to deal with a complicated situation: I'm muslim, I want to wear
the hijab but here in France it's impossible because of the law on religious signs ban.

I think that I have to leave France definitly to finally be a pious muslim but it's not so easy to find a job abroad especially in my field (Medias TV/Radio).
So I wanted to know if somebody as already done that kind of choice, and if she/he can
share her/his experience.

BarakAllahufikoum,
Felussa

[Al-ghurabah]

sad state of situation. open up your own buisness just for muslims. who is the french government to ban something which allah has made fard. these stupdid kaffir make me sick. why dont tthe french muslims have their own schools buisnesses.




Salam Aleykoum,

I'm a new comer on the forum,
sorry if my english is not so good: I'm French.

I have to deal with a complicated situation: I'm muslim, I want to wear
the hijab but here in France it's impossible because of the law on religious signs ban.

I think that I have to leave France definitly to finally be a pious muslim but it's not so easy to find a job abroad especially in my field (Medias TV/Radio).
So I wanted to know if somebody as already done that kind of choice, and if she/he can
share her/his experience.

BarakAllahufikoum,
Felussa

[nonmuslim]

I am so sorry for your problem. Just to see what will happen I think it would be worth your while applying for asylum to the USA for religious persecution. I'm serious but I doubt it would be granted though it is a valid request under US law, however w your skills you could publicize it. Maybe contact Alertnative Media and contract out as a reporter, contact places like Democracy Now and ask for a job there based in France...

What are other women doing? the weather is getting cooler maybe you can wrap up with a shawl more than a veil. I disagree w the French policy, banning dress types is not dealing with the root of the problem, just brushing the problem under the carpet.

Like, as if you don't LOOK Muslim you won't be!! No problem with an ignored minority if we can't see them! LoL!

Salam Aleykoum,

I'm a new comer on the forum,
sorry if my english is not so good: I'm French.

I have to deal with a complicated situation: I'm muslim, I want to wear
the hijab but here in France it's impossible because of the law on religious signs ban.

I think that I have to leave France definitly to finally be a pious muslim but it's not so easy to find a job abroad especially in my field (Medias TV/Radio).
So I wanted to know if somebody as already done that kind of choice, and if she/he can
share her/his experience.

BarakAllahufikoum,
Felussa

[nonmuslim]

sad state of situation. open up your own buisness just for muslims. who is the french government to ban something which allah has made fard. these stupdid kaffir make me sick. why dont tthe french muslims have their own schools buisnesses.

it forces a ghettoization, even if they could get the capital to start a business their market will mostly be Muslim, a minority market right there. When most ppl are poor in your market it's harder to start a business and you think every other muslim isn't doing the same, the competition is tougher too.

[Ptissem]

Salam Aleykoum,

I'm a new comer on the forum,
sorry if my english is not so good: I'm French.

I have to deal with a complicated situation: I'm muslim, I want to wear
the hijab but here in France it's impossible because of the law on religious signs ban.

I think that I have to leave France definitly to finally be a pious muslim but it's not so easy to find a job abroad especially in my field (Medias TV/Radio).
So I wanted to know if somebody as already done that kind of choice, and if she/he can
share her/his experience.

BarakAllahufikoum,
Felussa
It's a sad story sister and I'm afraid life doesnt get much easier when you move to another country. Yes here in the UK you can wear the hijab, but if you were intent on staying in that field of work you would have a whole new problem of getting a job in the first place...

I have worked in TV production for the last two years and have never come across a hijabi, except for a girl who temped on our reception desk for one week. I don't currently wear hijab but would like to in the near future. I am even contemplating moving companies once my project finishes, as I know that if I wear the hijab in my current company, any chances of promotion etc will pretty much go out of the window. But Alhamdulillah, I'm sure there are other companies where you can be happy working, just bear in mind that a lot of people in TV production want to hire people that 'look the part' and it's sad to say that a headscarf doesnt fit the bill.

Does anyone else have similiar experience to this? And advice to offer in this kind of situation?

Jazzak allahu khair

[ur_yusra]

erm.... how about islam channel maybe they might be able to help.. at least then ud get to have a more islamic approach intergrated into ur career AND get to wear hijab..!! just a thought... things must be so hard in France... to think if they banned the hijab here.. id have to give up my education.. its so unfair.. when did a piece of material harm anyone??

[Ptissem]

erm.... how about islam channel maybe they might be able to help.. at least then ud get to have a more islamic approach intergrated into ur career AND get to wear hijab..!! just a thought... things must be so hard in France... to think if they banned the hijab here.. id have to give up my education.. its so unfair.. when did a piece of material harm anyone??
Yeah I've been looking on the Islam Channel's website for the last few months, they only seem to have the same job advertised whenever I check! Also MBC is based here in London, so there are options, when my project nears it's end I will on get on the case seriously. Insha'Allah I would love to work for Islam Channel, it would be a perfect job :-)

I can't imagine what it must be like in France, may Allah make things easy for you Felussa, Ameen.

[Mujaheedah]

subhanallah c'est une situation tres difficult la. J'espere que Allah te donne du sabr. Fait le salat d'istikhara, mais tu dois aussi souvenir que le hijab est inscrit pour nous, alors si dans la france, ils te prevente de la porter peut etre tu dois demenager a une autre pays. lol pardonne moi, mon francais est tres mauvais. May Allah (swt) guide you closer to the straight path.

[Felussa]

BarakAllahufikoum for all your answers.

It's really hard to make that kind of choice: to leave home and family.
But at the same time I can bear the vulgar jokes anymore and the fact that every morning everyboby hugs everyone.

As you did Ptissem, I already checked for some opportunities in "arabic " medias in UK.
I'm also learning arabic to improve my faith and have a better understanding of the Holy Q'ur an.
I can't give up because I studied for five years in College to get a situation and make my parents proud of me. I'm really priviliged here in France because it's hard for arabic people to get a good job, especially in TV channels.

The fact is that they're going to propose me to prolong my contrat for 6 months and I don't know if I have to accept or to give up right now.

I hope things will get easier thanks to Allah and that I will get answers inshaAllah.

[Mujaheedah]

May Allah make it easy for you sister. We all have to rerember to keep faith first and foremost in our lives in order to be successful in this world and the herafter.

[Felussa]

subhanallah c'est une situation tres difficult la. J'espere que Allah te donne du sabr. Fait le salat d'istikhara, mais tu dois aussi souvenir que le hijab est inscrit pour nous, alors si dans la france, ils te prevente de la porter peut etre tu dois demenager a une autre pays. lol pardonne moi, mon francais est tres mauvais. May Allah (swt) guide you closer to the straight path.

Ton français est très bien, et ça me fait plaisir que tu ais fait cette effort de me répondre en français.Merci
your words and advices make me feel better because here so many people act like they are tolerant and in fact they are not at all!

[Mujaheedah]

aww cetais rien :) lol juis aller a limmersion francais pour 6 ans, mais je perde ce que jai appris, alors cest tres bien quand jai une chance pour le pratiquer.

[Felussa]

So if you need to improve ton français, je suis la bonne personne!

[Abu Hurairah]

subhanallah c'est une situation tres difficult la. J'espere que Allah te donne du sabr. Fait le salat d'istikhara, mais tu dois aussi souvenir que le hijab est inscrit pour nous, alors si dans la france, ils te prevente de la porter peut etre tu dois demenager a une autre pays. lol pardonne moi, mon francais est tres mauvais. May Allah (swt) guide you closer to the straight path.

:scratch: Sorry about this but that jibberish sounds nice, I caught bits of the nasihah- something about Subhan'allah and Istiqarah, Australia, Hijab, France and some more France or rather but the du'a at end was very good. (This little message is an indirect subtle request for a translation please.)

Ameen may the sister be patient and steadfast and get closer to the Sirat'ul Mustaqim.

May Allah make it easy for you sister. We all have to rerember to keep faith first and foremost in our lives in order to be successful in this world and the herafter.

Ameen insha'allah.

Ton français est très bien, et ça me fait plaisir que tu ais fait cette effort de me répondre en français.Merci
your words and advices make me feel better because here so many people act like they are tolerant and in fact they are not at all!

Sorry to be a pain again but erm well if you could translate the above (apart from the English) it would help too- I am bad at French- failed my GCSE's in it miserably so.

[Mujaheedah]

So if you need to improve ton français, je suis la bonne personne!
yay, je pense que tes le premiere personne qui parle le francais sur cetter forum :)

[Mujaheedah]

Ton français est très bien, et ça me fait plaisir que tu ais fait cette effort de me répondre en français.Merci
your words and advices make me feel better because here so many people act like they are tolerant and in fact they are not at all!

Sorry to be a pain again but erm well if you could translate the above (apart from the English) it would help too- I am bad at French- failed my GCSE's in it miserably so.
she said my french is very good :D

[Felussa]

I was thanking mujaheedah for the effort to speak in french:up:

and thank you for your support!

[Mujaheedah]

your english is also very good sis, way better than my french :up:

[Abu Hurairah]

she said my french is very good :D

Well sis. thanks for the rather precise thorough indepth translation sis. I really appreciate it:rolleyes: -NOT! You know some people are just darn lazy these days:zzz: except when it comes to modifying their perfect avatar, then their real eager beavers aren't they eh? Well what have you got say for your self lazy daisy???:eek3:


I was thanking mujaheedah for the effort to speak in french:up:

Kalas- me got the joust of it now (a tip would be not to hang with that sis. Mujaheedah she nice but reeeeeeal laaaazy- got Lazinessitus I think). That's was a joke by the way, I'm just being a mean moaning person, been so all day.

and thank you for your support!

Barak'allahu Feeki but er- me didn't offer any so don't really deserve any.:(

Don't bother with the translation, I was being mean there as well trying to waste your time- sorry if you started already, and sorry for the bad thought.:crying:

[Felussa]

Don't bother with the translation, I was bing mean there as well trying to waste your time- sorry if you started already, and sorry for the bad thought.:crying:

I'm still at the office but you don't make me waste my time, really far from that.

[Abu Hurairah]

I'm still at the office but you don't make me waste my time, really far from that.

Aaaaah, that's better, now I feel not so bad for the little mischief- but erm er I can't really be happy yet and celebrate- not got the all clear yet from the other sis.- I really hope she hasn't gone off with her French to English dictionary translating that all.:(

[jannah1978]

:scratch: Sorry about this but that jibberish sounds nice, I caught bits of the nasihah- something about Subhan'allah and Istiqarah, Australia, Hijab, France and some more France or rather but the du'a at end was very good. (This little message is an indirect subtle request for a translation please.)

Sorry to be a pain again but erm well if you could translate the above (apart from the English) it would help too- I am bad at French- failed my GCSE's in it miserably so.

Ohhh let me have a go. I did French ages ago.

subhanallah c'est une situation tres difficult la. J'espere que Allah te donne du sabr. Fait le salat d'istikhara, mais tu dois aussi souvenir que le hijab est inscrit pour nous, alors si dans la france, ils te prevente de la porter peut etre tu dois demenager a une autre pays. lol pardonne moi, mon francais est tres mauvais. May Allah (swt) guide you closer to the straight path.

SubhanAllah it is a very difficult situation there. I hope that ALLAH gives you patience. Do Istikhara prayer, you must also wear the hijab because it is prescribed for you, but if they stop you from wearing the scarf in france, you must go to another country. Lol excuse me, my french is very bad.

Ton français est très bien, et ça me fait plaisir que tu ais fait cette effort de me répondre en français.Merci
your words and advices make me feel better because here so many people act like they are tolerant and in fact they are not at all!

Your French is very good, it pleases me that you have made the effort to reply to me in French. Thank you.

[Abu Hurairah]

Ohhh let me have a go. I did French ages ago.

subhanallah c'est une situation tres difficult la. J'espere que Allah te donne du sabr. Fait le salat d'istikhara, mais tu dois aussi souvenir que le hijab est inscrit pour nous, alors si dans la france, ils te prevente de la porter peut etre tu dois demenager a une autre pays. lol pardonne moi, mon francais est tres mauvais. May Allah (swt) guide you closer to the straight path.

SubhanAllah it is a very difficult situation there. I hope that ALLAH gives you patience. Do Istikhara prayer, you must also wear the hijab because it is prescribed for you, but if they stop you from wearing the scarf in france, you must go to another country. Lol excuse me, my french is very bad.

Ton français est très bien, et ça me fait plaisir que tu ais fait cette effort de me répondre en français.Merci
your words and advices make me feel better because here so many people act like they are tolerant and in fact they are not at all!

Your French is very good, it pleases me that you have made the effort to reply to me in French. Thank you.

Jezak'allah for this- now it makes more sense. May your kindness be rewarded by Allah (swt), you really needn't have gone to such an effort.

[Mujaheedah]

Aaaaah, that's better, now I feel not so bad for the little mischief- but erm er I can't really be happy yet and celebrate- not got the all clear yet from the other sis.- I really hope she hasn't gone off with her French to English dictionary translating that all.:(


lol really sorry bro i left the forum before you put up the other post, i didnt really know that u wanted the full transalation. And I DO NOT need a french English dictionary :D ,

[Abu Hurairah]

lol really sorry bro i left the forum before you put up the other post, i didnt really know that u wanted the full transalation. And I DO NOT need a french English dictionary :D ,

Now I feel all better sis. I was there thinking you were doing all that hard work when you needn't have, I was just be mean that day- was kinda fed up for some reason and went sending people e-mails about garbage, as expected pretty soon they called me or e-mailed me to check if I was alright- I said yes and laughed so much. (I do this because I'm pretty sad and at that time just finished a book).

Your French- anybodies French is betta than anything I could ever muster so your cool when it come to that really nice sounding language.

Apologies for that, I can't guarentee it will not happen again (sorry for the next time in advance.)

Sorry.

[Mujaheedah]

dont worry i thought nothing of it :)

[Abu Hurairah]

dont worry i thought nothing of it :)

Khair- kalas, lets not speak about this little episode to anyone, I have a reputation as a funny but serious Militant to uphold.

I wish everyone I've given prank calls, e-mails, PM, etc. were as understanding to my stupidity, but some people only think of themselves and their own needs.

[Felussa]

SalamAleykoum,

I'm really sorry too Abu Hurairah, I left the forum too before your post.
Je suis vraiment désolée Abu Hurairah, j'ai quittée le forum avant que tu postes ton dernier message.

So by now, i will post in french and in english, you will be able to learn some french! ;)

[Abu Hurairah]

SalamAleykoum,

I'm really sorry too Abu Hurairah, I left the forum too before your post.
Je suis vraiment désolée Abu Hurairah, j'ai quittée le forum avant que tu postes ton dernier message.

So by now, i will post in french and in english, you will be able to learn some french! ;)

Assalamu Alakium sis,

Bonjour mademwassel (I think thats French)

Its absolutely fine alhamdulillah- no need to apologise alhamdulillah.

Sava Byah, Merci Becoup (I still think that is French, and have no clue what that means too???)

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam

[Felussa]

It's not bad, you know the essential things:
ça va bien? = How are you doing?
Merci beaucoup = thank you very much

So you're now ready to visit France!:up:

[redsulphur]

:start:


Wa alaikum salam.. Felussa bienvenu


......Mon Français n'est pas bon... mais... j'aime le français. qu'il est beau à moi...

..anyway ... back to the topic...



I have to deal with a complicated situation: I'm muslim, I want to wear
the hijab but here in France it's impossible because of the law on religious signs ban.

I think that I have to leave France definitly to finally be a pious muslim but it's not so easy to find a job abroad especially in my field (Medias TV/Radio).
So I wanted to know if somebody as already done that kind of choice, and if she/he can
share her/his experience.



... I agree this appears to be a complicated situation... and it may depend on what sacrifices you are willing to make.... from what I know.... here in the UK there is alot more freedom to practice religion (at present anyway) ... so pehaps going to another country might help you .. Allah knows best.

.... with regards to your field of profession ... perhaps there are Muslim media companies you could work with... or perhaps you could set-up your very own media/tv/radio company :)

... whatever you decide .. may Allah bless you with what's best ameen

[Felussa]

Ameen, barakaAllahufik.

In fact, tomorrow I will know if my actual managers want me to stay for six months.
If they do the proposal, I think that I'm giong to accept to get a very significative experience
to be able to apply for a job in London.
I think that by now the only solution to my "prolem" is to be patient.
I'm also learning arabic to be able to apply in arabic medias in UK.
I want to have "toutes les chances de mon côté" (I don't know how to translate it if somebody can help).
I hope that Allah (swt) will help me to get all those "chances" to succeed and to follow the straight path of Islam.

[Felussa]

Ameen, barakaAllahufik.

In fact, tomorrow I will know if my actual managers want me to stay for six months.
If they do the proposal, I think that I'm giong to accept to get a very significative experience
to be able to apply for a job in London.
I think that by now the only solution to my "problem" is to be patient.
I'm also learning arabic to be able to apply in arabic medias in UK.
I want to have "toutes les chances de mon côté" (I don't know how to translate it if somebody can help).
I hope that Allah (swt) will help me to get all those "chances" to succeed and to follow the straight path of Islam.

[Mujaheedah]

inshaallah tu l'aura, Allah ne nous donne jamais quel que chose qui est trop difficile pour nous.

[redsulphur]

... the only solution to my "prolem" is to be patient.
.

:masha: .... same solution for my problems too.


I hope that Allah (swt) will help me to get all those "chances" to succeed and to follow the straight path of Islam

...ameen

[Abu Hurairah]

It's not bad, you know the essential things:
ça va bien? = How are you doing?
Merci beaucoup = thank you very much

So you're now ready to visit France!:up:

I doubt very much saying 'Hello', 'How are you doing?', and 'Thank you very much' will get me no where across the water I rather stay here where its freezing cold and foggy at the moment.

Sis, have you thought of visiting the following two threads on Ummah.com? Their related with French Muslims through one way or other.
(http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70223)

French Muslims Change Name to Get a "Chance (http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=70163)"
Riots Flare For Sixth Night Outside Paris (http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?t=68762)

I think what they require is the imput from a genuine perspective from down on the ground.

[Felussa]

Al Hamdullilah,

until today I have never met such problem like discrimination in jobseeking as far as I know of course.
Here in France, arabic girls are more accepted by french people, I let you imagine why :(
Arabic guys are considered only as thugs and even worse as criminal, thieves, integrists, terrorists...etc...:55:

So I can understand the fact to change your name to find a job for men,
because it's more than difficult for them.

But I would never sacrifice my identity, my name is what I am, my Dad chose my name and it represent so much to me. My name is my bound to my roots, to my land in Morrocco, also and particularly to my religion.

Just write about that eventuality to change my name makes me feel really sad, sad for my brothers and sisters in France and in every country where immigrants are rejected.

That's why I want to leave France, to feel free to practice my religion and to be proud of what I am as Muslim AND Arabic Woman (the MAW :) )