Hijab Chic

[abdulhakeem]

How retailers are marketing to fashion-conscious Muslim women.

By Asra Q. Nomani
Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005

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Undercover at Nordstrom

(http://undercover%20at%20nordstrom</p><p%20style=)"Full coverage," not your typical fashion show prerequisite, was the theme at a "fashion seminar" recently hosted by Nordstrom at the tony Tysons Corner Center mall in McLean, Va. The show, called "Interpreting Hot Trends for Veiled and Conservative Women," was perhaps the first high-fashion hijab event sponsored by corporate America. The target: well-heeled Muslim women living in the suburbs of Northern Virginia, where mansions and mosques are filled with rich Muslim immigrants, an increasing number of whom shop at Tysons Corner.

The Nordstrom show is part of a growing trend: Western retailers and designers are beginning to market directly to Muslim women. In 2000, for instance, European designers Yves Saint-Laurent and Jean-Paul Gaultier showed at the International Festival of African Fashion in Niger while ultraconservative Muslims paraded through the streets in protest of the "satanic" presentation. A 2004 Hermes ad featured two women with the dark hair, dark eyes, and olive skin of many Middle Easterners and wearing the company's iconic scarves wrapped around their heads in the Muslim style of hijab. (When asked, the Hermes advertising department would say only that its marketing pitch is "global.") And a little over a week ago, French designer Judith Duriez, co-owner of the Dubai-based company Arabesque (http://www.arabesque-hc.com/index.htm), debuted her fall 2005 collection of "sheilas" (veils) and "abayas" (gowns) for the cloaked Muslim woman. These fashions, traditional long black gowns (the color is one rule Duriez refuses to break), are enhanced by non-traditional accents such as mother-of-pearl trimmings and chiffon ribbons.

Retailers have likely caught on to the fact that conservative Muslim women are as interested in fashion as any other women and that, as a population numbering at least 500 million—an estimated half of which cover up regularly—they constitute a large, and potentially lucrative, untapped market. Indeed, to anyone who's paying attention, it's evident that Muslim women are going to great lengths (and in some cases spending a substantial amount of money) in an attempt to reconcile their religious mandate to dress modestly with their desire to look fashionable. Many women interpret the idea of "hijab"—the term comes from the Arabic word "hajaba," which is translated as "to cover," and is used generally to refer to modesty, and more specifically, to mean headscarves and formless gowns—quite liberally. They wear Diane Von Furstenberg mini-dresses over Levi jeans or rapper-style do-rags as headscarves. Other women don scarves by designers such as Christian Dior, Hermes, Gucci, and Dolce & Gabbana. And even the traditional dress is no longer black and shapeless but comes in various cuts, colors, patterns, and textures: slim-cut, baggy, silk, chiffon, fringed, fur-cuffed, hand-painted, and even embroidered with rhinestones and feathers.

The trend would be just another marketing gimmick, except that the hijab is not merely an article of clothing, but a politically charged symbol. The hijab, as most people know by now, has become emblematic of an ideological and political movement that promotes a puritanical interpretation of Islamic law, or Sharia. In this interpretation, it is "haram," or illegal, for a women to reveal her arms, legs, or any bodily curves. In the most conservative circles, revealing the face, ankles, neckline, and hands is also verboten. (The Quran, while calling for modesty, does not mandate that women wear hair scarves or long gowns.)

To attend the fashion seminar, I had to go undercover in more ways than one. Nordstrom's publicity department called the show a "private event" that was closed to the press. When I asked why, I was told the company hadn't "media trained" its sales representatives. What if, God forbid, a Nordstrom saleswoman pitched a gauzy scarf that left a woman's hair visible? I'm a Muslim woman, but I don't cover my hair except when I go into mosques with a hoodie over my head in a look I call "ghetto hijab." So, at the diner across the street, I draped a hot pink scarf from the Tie Rack over my head and covered my body in a flower-patterned Nine West trench coat—more Grace Kelly than hijabi Muslim, but it worked—and prepared to see what Nordstrom thought was in fashion for the veiled-and-shrouded set.

The morning of the event, about 100 women—their hair covered by scarves, their bodies cloaked in abayas or burqas, and at least two of them with their faces fully veiled—pulled into the Tysons Corner parking lot in Volvos, BMWs, and Lexus sedans. In liberal Muslim circles, these women are sometimes derisively called "hijabis." The chicest among them—those who wear silk Hermes scarves and long Barneys jackets—are dubbed "fashionable fundies" (as in "fundamentalists"). The women call themselves "muhajabah," or "women of hijab."

The women and I slid into chairs set up at the top of the store's escalators, a few feet away from a display of slinky Nicole Miller gowns. The Nordstrom sales team was composed mostly of non-Muslim Americans, but there was one Muslim saleswoman with a scarf pulled up high over a bun in her hair. A chipper Nordstrom saleswoman in an appropriately modest business suit opened the show by pointing to a row of mannequins outfitted in what she called "the latest fall trends." There was a full-length Eileen Fisher skirt: "It allows for full coverage," she emphasized. And a black Anne Klein jacket: "It closes up high," the sales lady stressed. Finally, a $425 green-and-black Tesori tweed coat (http://store.nordstrom.com/product/product.asp?styleid=2865410&category=2376776~2374325~6003379&PrevStyleID=2858184&NextStyleID=2858181): "Just perfect for your unique style." In other words, it would cover the contour of a woman's butt—another no-no to reveal. The Nordstrom Web site (http://store.nordstrom.com/product/product.asp?styleid=2865410&category=2376776~2374325~6003379&PrevStyleID=2858184&NextStyleID=2858181) promotes the jacket as a "tailored fit," but that wasn't part of the sales pitch here.

But something was obviously missing. A saleswoman stepped forward: "Of course, we have scarves!" Of course! Each mannequin had a scarf wrapped around its neck, ready to be pulled up. There were also broaches, which were said to be "perfect for pinning up scarves." A Muslim woman in the audience snickered at the effect of one broach atop a headscarf; it looked like a cake decoration.

Of course, the most puritanical Muslims would say that hijab is not meant to be flashy. According to these men and women, it's supposed to be the sartorial equivalent of a burlap sack, not a trimly tailored Anne Klein jacket. It's supposed to be black, not trendy colors like fuchsia and teal. Preachers from New Jersey to California rail at the pulpit against women who put too much fashion in their hijab. To quote one rant on a conservative Muslim Web site: "Everyday we see our Muslim sisters proudly displaying names and initials on their clothing. … What are they advertising? CD, YSL, D&G,"—as in Christian Dior, Yves Saint Laurent and Dolce & Gabbana—"How ironic that the most modest of dressing—the cloak and scarf—should become contaminated by advertising the names of some of the most shameless and perverted people in the world."

But women will no doubt continue to thwart such dictates in a desire to look stylish while remaining pious. And it may be Muslims themselves, versed in the nuances and requirements of the hijab, who will be best equipped to introduce it to the world of high fashion. Next month, on Nov. 10, Femmes Arabes (http://www.femmesarabes.ca/), a magazine for Arab women, will sponsor a fashion show in Montreal (http://www.femmesarabes.ca/index.php?p=55&lang=11&YY=72363&inc=25&order=down&sort=date&pos=0&view=a&head=b&box=Inbox) featuring caftans—long flowing garments popular among Muslim women in North Africa—designed by five Canadian designers and five Arab designers; it held a similar show last year. And Eve N Black (http://www.eveinblack.com/), a Dubai-based boutique founded by Muslim fashion designer Mohammad Bahrami, sells abayas that cost anywhere from $1,500 to $10,000 and are often displayed with matching shoes and purses. (If she spends $6,500 or more, a woman can get a copyright for her personal abaya design.)

If the Nordstrom event made one thing clear, it was that it's not easy to combine high fashion with religion. While one woman walked away with a long orange duster sweater, women on both sides of the figurative catwalk were grumbling unhappily. A Moroccan woman found a black polka-dotted top inappropriate because of its "three-quarter-length sleeves." Sleeves, according to the strictest standards of hijab, must extend to the wrists. A George Mason University law school student groused that a black Anne Klein skirt was "too short" because it hit the calves. A young scarved woman became frustrated that she wasn't able to find "an A-line skirt without a slit." And the Nordstrom cashiers mumbled to each other they weren't ringing up enough sales. Indeed, the fashion seminar, to borrow a phrase from the fashion world, was a definite miss.

Asra Nomani is the author of Standing Alone in Mecca: An American Woman's Struggle for the Soul of Islam (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0060571446/qid=1130445601/sr=8-1/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-8543540-9140020?v=glance&s=books&n=507846). You can write to her at asra@asranomani.com (asra@asranomani.com).

Photograph by Zafar Nomani.

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[forskeNed Life]

:salams

Very good find. The kuffar will go to great lengths to corrupt the Muslim religion, its so sad. :sub: may Allah keep the muslim sisters strong in their faith.

:wswrwb:

Nomie

[Hekmaa]

There is a great saying, evil calls evil, anyone who knows anything about Asra Nomani would pay very little attention to anything she covers, or has anything to do with. Someone who talks openly about her immoral acts is in no way someone worthy of a believers trust.

[-Espérer-]

Would it be classified as "Haram" to wear a niqaab like the woman in the pic?

[peace2u]

It's sooooo pink :S


Peace

[Arsalan]

Its a silly idea but with bad intentions.

[AbuSadiq]

Would it be classified as "Haram" to wear a niqaab like the woman in the pic?

The Hijab above is not a Hijab. It has not comform to even one, among the 8 qualities of Hijab in Islam.

People like Naomi must not be allowed to talk on anything islamic, in a well organised islamic state, because for any one who knew her islamic orientation and "proposals", she deserves nothing more than being told to repent from her sins. Read her "My Answered Prayers" here: http://asranomani.com/writings/

[MMS]

It's sooooo pink :S


Peace

isit haram to wear pink :scratch:

[~Soul~]

umm no i dont think it is..
but youre not supposed to wear bright colours

[MG]

edit:

does this women not have other islamic things she could,be focusing her attention on?

[sisterukc]

Salaam bros and sis.Im not always on here, but when i do come on, it annoys me that there are some people here that always seem to make "insincere"comments. This women in the above pic,,atleast shes wearing a niqab and hijab u know.at least people are covering their themselves, how about people stop commenting on what colour niqab/hijab a women should wear and what she shouldnt and talk about more relevant things. I cant stand it when some people look "down" or "intimidate"other muslims that want to wear a "pink" hijab, or any other 'bright colour" for that matter. At least that person is doing their utmost best to live in this unjust soceity as muslims. so next time someone makes a comment on whether its haraam wearing a pink hijab or not, just think carefully for others a little bit more.Jazzak Allah Khairun.

[MG]

Salaam bros and sis.Im not always on here, but when i do come on, it annoys me that there are some people here that always seem to make "insincere"comments. This women in the above pic,,atleast shes wearing a niqab and hijab u know.at least people are covering their themselves, how about people stop commenting on what colour niqab/hijab a women should wear and what she shouldnt and talk about more relevant things. I cant stand it when some people look "down" or "intimidate"other muslims that want to wear a "pink" hijab, or any other 'bright colour" for that matter. At least that person is doing their utmost best to live in this unjust soceity as muslims. so next time someone makes a comment on whether its haraam wearing a pink hijab or not, just think carefully for others a little bit more.Jazzak Allah Kahirun.

sis, the point of hijab and niqaab is not to draw attention to yourself, if your hair is showing and u are wearing bright colours then wats the point of wearing it?

[sisterukc]

yeh i know thats true.But there are people out there that are finding it dfficult to wear a hijab anway. What i think is wrong is wehn u made comment that "you can see her hair and shes not wearing it properly'no offence but u dont know this lady, its a just a picture, and i cant see her hair at all.I just feel strong about this because, there are muslims women and men that seem to intimidate women who are wearing a brighter hijab, Its up to Allah(swt) and that person, Allah(swt) can tell how difficult it is for some people to wear Hijabs, as he;s All merciful. I just think no one has the right to make a comment on someone when that person is wearing a hibaj.a person might wear full dark niqab and everything and they may not even be practising Islam appropriately, whereas A person might be weaing a bright colour hijab and feel sooo passionate about islam and practice it properly. at the end of the day we all have knowledge and most try hard to understand islam, its hard when people are throwing comments here and there on what colour hijab a person should wear!MAKES ME FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT

[~Soul~]

yeh i know thats true.But there are people out there that are finding it dfficult to wear a hijab anway. What i think is wrong is wehn u made comment that "you can see her hair and shes not wearing it properly'no offence but u dont know this lady, its a just a picture, and i cant see her hair at all.I just feel strong about this because, there are muslims women and men that seem to intimidate women who are wearing a brighter hijab, Its up to Allah(swt) and that person, Allah(swt) can tell how difficult it is for some people to wear Hijabs, as he;s All merciful. I just think no one has the right to make a comment on someone when that person is wearing a hibaj.a person might wear full dark niqab and everything and they may not even be practising Islam appropriately, whereas A person might be weaing a bright colour hijab and feel sooo passionate about islam and practice it properly. at the end of the day we all have knowledge and most try hard to understand islam, its hard when people are throwing comments here and there on what colour hijab a person should wear!MAKES ME FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THATif they wear hijaab they mite as well wear it propereley
if its soo hard to wear hijaab and they do it then do it properley and ull get the full reward

[MMS]

umm no i dont think it is..
but youre not supposed to wear bright colours

daleel?

[MG]

yeh i know thats true.But there are people out there that are finding it dfficult to wear a hijab anway. What i think is wrong is wehn u made comment that "you can see her hair and shes not wearing it properly'no offence but u dont know this lady, its a just a picture, and i cant see her hair at all.I just feel strong about this because, there are muslims women and men that seem to intimidate women who are wearing a brighter hijab, Its up to Allah(swt) and that person, Allah(swt) can tell how difficult it is for some people to wear Hijabs, as he;s All merciful. I just think no one has the right to make a comment on someone when that person is wearing a hibaj.a person might wear full dark niqab and everything and they may not even be practising Islam appropriately, whereas A person might be weaing a bright colour hijab and feel sooo passionate about islam and practice it properly. at the end of the day we all have knowledge and most try hard to understand islam, its hard when people are throwing comments here and there on what colour hijab a person should wear!MAKES ME FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE LIKE THAT

1stly i deleted my message a few seconds b4 u posted yours, for my own reasons :)

secondly telling or saying a sis is dressed or wearing something incorrectly, does not seem intimidating to me , wen we wear hijab or niqab we are also setting an example to other young muslim girls who may think it is ok to wear hijab with your hair showing, or a hijab with a tight t-shirt with short sleeves, underneath, which i see daily.

These things need to be said sometimes, i dont think i said anythign wrong.

[Ebony]

This is the problem with us.

Someone does something right, there is always a problem in HOW they do it (in this case hijab). I've seen numerous women match their hijab's to their clothes. Yes, you do wonder at times, why they opted for neon green (ghastly colour) but at least they are covered.

The wrong shade of black might also be a problem for some :rolleyes:

[ur_yusra]

This is the problem with us.

Someone does something right, there is always a problem in HOW they do it (in this case hijab). I've seen numerous women match their hijab's to their clothes. Yes, you do wonder at times, why they opted for neon green (ghastly colour) but at least they are covered.

The wrong shade of black might also be a problem for some :rolleyes:

yes i completely agree.. what I find disturbing is how people look down on the person rather then the action... We condemn the wearing of bright coloured hijabs but please lets not be so quick to judge others.. inshaAllah if any of us sisters knew that woman wearing pink im sure we would advise her in a kind manner not to do so and the reasons behind it.. but again we should NOT judge others.. the person u are judging may become better then I or you ever hoped to be... we all judge unintentionally sometimes but it is something we should avoid..

[~Soul~]

daleel?



Color, Appearance and Demeanor
Allah ta'ala says:

"O wives of the Prophet! You are not like any other women; if you fear (Allah), then do not be too pleasent of speech, lest one in whose heart is a disease should feel desire (for you)." [Al-Ahzab, 33:32]

The reason for the revelation of this verse is not the fear of distrust nor misbehavior on the part of the women, but rather to prevent them from speaking invitingly, walking seductively, or dressing revealingly so as to arouse sexual desire in the heart of lecherous and evil men.Seductive dressing and enticing speech are the characteristics of ill-intentioned women, not Muslims. Al-Qurtubi mentions that Mujahid (RAA) said: "Women (before the advent of Islam) used to walk about (alluringly) among men." Qatadah (RAA) said: "They used to walk in a sensuous and seductive manner." Maqatil (RAA) said: "The women used to wear an untied cloth on their heads, while provocatively toying with their necklaces, earrings and other ornamental jewelry." Furthermore, Allah has commanded women not to display their beauty, meaning both natural and acquired beauty. Allah commands the believing women thus:

...And do not make a display of yourselves like the displaying of the ignorance of long ago... [Al-Ahzaab, 33:33]

A garment which is intended to conceal a woman and her beauty from public view cannot be a thing which enhances her beauty. Therefore, the garment cannot contain bright colors, bold designs or shiny and reflective material that draw men's attention to the wearer. The Arabic word above, At-Tabarruj, means not only "to display oneself" but also "to spruce up one's charms for the purpose of exciting desire". Imam Adh-Dhahabi says in his book Kitab Al-Kaba'ir (The Book of Major Sins): "Amongst the deeds which a woman is cursed for are displaying the adornments she wears, wearing perfume when she goes out, and wearing colorful clothes..." Hence, the Muslim woman is encouraged to wear muted, somber colors and to avoid bright designs, patterns and colors.

This point should serve also as a reminder to Muslim men who are in positions of responsibility for their women, that Allah's Messenger (SAAWS) has warned in an authentic hadeeth narrated by `Abdullah ibn `Amr ibn Al-`Aas that amongst the three individuals who would not enter Jennah (Paradise) would be:

Ad-Dayooth, who is contented with obscenity within his family. i.e., a cuckold-a man who permits the women for whom he is responsible, such as his wife, daughter, etc., to engage in illicit sexual relations or to display their beauty to men, thereby stimulating sexual desire.

http://www.quraan.com/index.aspx?&tabid=38&artid=78

theres a whole article on hijaab but i ddint think ud wanna reas the whole thing

[MMS]

what if dark colors draw mens attention too

[~Soul~]

do they? :scratch:
wouldnt think they would...

[MMS]

yeh gothic guys like black :p

[ur_yusra]

to be 100% honest with u... it doesnt really matter what colour u wear... if a mans gonna look then hes gnna look either way... unfortunately even if a sister wears all dark colours she still does get attention.. but i think as long as her intention is pure then she is not to blame... i would not wear attractive colours because it defeats the purpose of what a hijab is all about..

[ur_yusra]

do they? :scratch:
wouldnt think they would...

u must be a brother.. try living as a sister for one day, maybe ur eyes will open to the real world.. erm actually dnt knw if u could get away with looking like a sister..

[~Soul~]

yeh gothic guys like black :p
lol...
yea i can see that happening..
muslim guys that r goths r lookin at women in full black hijaab :p

[~Soul~]

u must be a brother.. try living as a sister for one day, maybe ur eyes will open to the real world.. erm actually dnt knw if u could get away with looking like a sister..
i am a sista :D
ma avatar still aint workin :(
ohh y ohh y....

[MMS]

lol...
yea i can see that happening..
muslim guys that r goths r lookin at women in full black hijaab :p

have u ever noticed how some girls look really good in dark colors?

:hidban: this banana is wearing black, but did it attract ur attention? :p

[~Soul~]

have u ever noticed how some girls look really good in dark colors?

:hidban: this banana is wearing black, but did it attract ur attention? :p
have u ever noticed how some girls look really good in dark colors?
an sum look realli yuck it realli depends on the person let them decide lite or dark colours.. :D

now that banana is the most attractive thing ive seen in years! :P

[MMS]

an sum look realli yuck it realli depends on the person let them decide lite or dark colours.. :D

now that banana is the most attractive thing ive seen in years! :P

:lahawla: lower ur gaze :asta:

[~Soul~]

lol ok i will sincereley say sorri for lookin at the banana

[SoulAsylum]

lol...
yea i can see that happening..
muslim guys that r goths r lookin at women in full black hijaab :p

lool.....goths attract goths. Wear black.............Black rules. There was this sister in the chip shop wearing a blue Calvin Kliein hijab. The muslimahs sure are making waves. They dont take no crap.

[sisterukc]

ummmmm

[sisterukc]

the only reason i got so annoyed is because im sick and tired of seeing the "now" young muslims slander people because they seem to wear hijab different to thiers. To be honest, every muslim person knows that muslim women must wear a hijab and dress modestly and cover up. Everyone knows it, some just are weaker than others, BUT however, nobody has the right to judge or make a comment, its wrong.Who are we to judge someones faith in islam by the way they wear their hijab?just because some would rather wear a brighter colour than others?its not nice, i take it offensively thankyou very much,Allah(swt) is the one to judge us all. I wouldnt do anything for the society or what comments they make.I as a muslim women try everyday just to please Allah(swt) Every muslim has his/her struggles in life, and Hijab can be considered as one of them, so iam pleased to see than in society now in this western world, women atleast cover their hair and make the effort to dress appropriately, so nobody has the right to make a comment on anyone they see walking down the street by saying "Oh no did u look at her,shes wearing a pink Hijab and oh no, you can slightly see her hair" sounds ridiculous doesnt it?some may not say it aloud, but i can put my hand to my heart and say that there are many, specially Muslim Women/girls, who think that in their heads atleast. which is so wrong.

[MG]

yes i completely agree.. what I find disturbing is how people look down on the person rather then the action... We condemn the wearing of bright coloured hijabs but please lets not be so quick to judge others.. inshaAllah if any of us sisters knew that woman wearing pink im sure we would advise her in a kind manner not to do so and the reasons behind it.. but again we should NOT judge others.. the person u are judging may become better then I or you ever hoped to be... we all judge unintentionally sometimes but it is something we should avoid..

i complteyl agree with your statement,
wat was so wrong in wat i said? i didnt judge her, i merely pointed something out.

[ur_yusra]

wat was so wrong in wat i said? i didnt judge her, i merely pointed something out, there are young impressionable muslim girls who come on this site too.

lol muslim girl.. im sorry i wasnt referring to u sis, i was talkin generally.. i only read a few posts and urs wasnt one of them.. :p

[MG]

lol muslim girl.. im sorry i wasnt referring to u sis, i was talkin generally.. i only read a few posts and urs wasnt one of them.. :p

lol, no thats cool, sis, i jus think my intial statement has been taken waaaayyyyy outta context , like im going round, verbally abusing my feloow muslim sisters or sumthing :rubeyes:

[Mujaheedah]

i think gothic men go more for the black makeup and tight clothes, not hijab and stuff...

[MMS]

i think gothic men go more for the black makeup and tight clothes, not hijab and stuff...

lol the point was, if ur beautiful and there are perverted men around (90% of men are perverted btw :up:)
ur going to get stared at no matter what the colour of ur hijaab is

[MG]

lol the point was, if ur beautiful and there are perverted men around (90% of men are perverted btw :up:)
ur going to get stared at no matter what the colour of ur hijaab is

lol @ 90% are perverted

[Mujaheedah]

but if you wear full jilbaab niqqab and hijaab as I do THEY CAN LOOK ALL THEY WANT BUT CAN"T SEE A THING :D

[ur_yusra]

lol the point was, if ur beautiful and there are perverted men around (90% of men are perverted btw :up:)
ur going to get stared at no matter what the colour of ur hijaab is

yeh 90% of men need to have their eyes popped out..

[Omar]

90 % of both men and women need lessons in Hayaa it goes both ways :)

[MMS]

90 % of both men and women need lessons in Hayaa it goes both ways :)#

oii leave the poor innocent girls out of this
its not their fault they are beautiful :rolleyes:

[MalikOne™]

90 % of both men and women need lessons in Hayaa it goes both ways :)

Exactly the women are just as bad as the men, and i know this dnt apply 2 any1 here, but if women cover up properley, men wont perve over them- simple as that

[Abu Hurairah]

i am a sista http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
ma avatar still aint workin http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/frown.gif
ohh y ohh y....

No like some real smart bro said some where else before your some bro thats pretending to be a girl to get access to the sisters only section. :nono:


have u ever noticed how some girls look really good in dark colors?

Man, us dudes just gotta lower our gaze- we need to keep practicising till we perfect it to an art form, for real man how much more do some sisters have to do I mean they go round wearing loose clothing as opposed to tight stuff, they wear thick dense clthing as opposed to thin see through stuff, they wear hijab as opposed to wearing no hijab, they wear niqaab as opposed to not wearing niqaab, they wear jilbab and burkah as opposed to not wearing them, they wear dull colours as opposed to wearing bright attractive colours, etc, etc, etc. -may Allah (swt) reward them all greatly for doing their obligation and beyond whilst making it almost dirk easy for us weak geezers but now some of us poor saps are even falling for them after they go through all that effort, all the Islamic gear, and also wear dark colors. Sheesh, dude talk about pushing it- them sisters that still get sicko looks or peers have after all that the right in my book to throw curry/chilli powder in them fools eyes- yep even mine if I try it (but since I suggested it just throw in mine a small pinch please;) ).


lol the point was, if ur beautiful and there are perverted men around (90% of men are perverted btw http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif)
ur going to get stared at no matter what the colour of ur hijaab is
Now I admit right some of those sick :vomit:and twisted sorry excuse for 'human beings' do claim to being 'men' but their a minority (I hope and pray) and doubt amount to 90% of males, howeveer its so true that sisters need to stear well clear of the nutters for sure. :wacko: However, there are some good people out there (I hope and pray).


but if you wear full jilbaab niqqab and hijaab as I do THEY CAN LOOK ALL THEY WANT BUT CAN"T SEE A THING http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

May Allah (swt) reserve a special place in Jannah for you and others that do the same, you will not believe how much easier you sisters make the lives of us petrified weaklings. However, sis. because you wear all the Islamic wear doesn't mean you should allow any sicko to take glance nor a glare of an 'all you can see pass'- for real your being too nice, don't wave that chilli/curry powder throwing right away- if you aren't willing to chuck it into their eyes I'm sure you'll find some brave mean 'do or die' sister that will be more than happy to oblige.


yeh 90% of men need to have their eyes popped out..

Or extra hot chilli salsa sauce thrown their way.:D

[MMS]

Exactly the women are just as bad as the men, and i know this dnt apply 2 any1 here, but if women cover up properley, men wont perve over them- simple as that

but women do cover up properly and men still stare at them :rubeyes:
how about in places like saudi, most women wear all black n cover properly but that dont stop the perverts

poor women :(

[ur_yusra]

Exactly the women are just as bad as the men, and i know this dnt apply 2 any1 here, but if women cover up properley, men wont perve over them- simple as that


erm..u obviously havent been reading into the issues here.. the issue is when women DO cover as they should they STILL get looks..

brothers who lower their gaze in EVERY situation.. that is piety that deserves standing ovation in my eyes..

[MalikOne™]

erm..u obviously havent been reading into the issues here.. the issue is when women DO cover as they should they STILL get looks..

brothers who lower their gaze in EVERY situation.. that is piety that deserves standing ovation in my eyes..

Then them ppl got problems, but sometimes ppl might stare at a hijabi, purely bcause of the fact that shes wearing hijab, its like a shock to them, but the way i see it, is if a women is wearing hijab, it means she has self respect and she doesent wanna be stared at, so naturally u kinda just glance away, because of the respect they have for themselves and the respect u have for them.

[Abu Hurairah]

brothers who lower their gaze in EVERY situation.. that is piety that deserves standing ovation in my eyes..

Na'am like wise sisters that cover up in EVERY situation around non- Mahram males..that is piety that should deserve standing ovations in every Muslims eyes.., and insha'allah will attain Allah's pleasure and rahmah- Ameen.


Then them ppl got problems, but sometimes ppl might stare at a hijabi, purely bcause of the fact that shes wearing hijab, its like a shock to them, but the way i see it, is if a women is wearing hijab, it means she has self respect and she doesent wanna be stared at, so naturally u kinda just glance away, because of the respect they have for themselves and the respect u have for them.

Exactly bro, most blokes need to realise that the sisters have chosen to cover themselves for the precise purpose of NOT being gawped at, it wasn't so as to attract looks so much as to remind the sisters of hyah and us geezers to turn away and not have a stare seen as the sisters don't want you to look at them thats why they covered themselves (as opposed to Western women that strip of clothing for you to have a good haram look- authu'billah) especially ones that wear Niqqab, Jilbab, Burkah, etc.

[*islamia]

isit haram to wear pink :scratch:



lool, I was thinking the same thing ( I skipped a couple of posts)

[Muslimah006]

I COMPLETELY disagree! My friend went to a certain muslim country a couple of yrs ago, mashAllah this girl was full niqabii all black clothing etc, and random men on the street thought she was a prostitute and grabbed at her, istafurAllah. Same thing happened to another friend of mine, she went to a country where wearing hijab is part of the law and abaya, and she would get harrassed on the streets, even when she was walking with her brother. Allah tells us to wear the hijab/niqab/etc for a reason so we are distinquished as Muslim/beleiving women yet there are some sickos out there who will harass you nonetheless. Damn the Muslims are in a sad state today, may Allah bring the Mahdi quickly, ameen.



Exactly the women are just as bad as the men, and i know this dnt apply 2 any1 here, but if women cover up properley, men wont perve over them- simple as that

[Abu Hurairah]

I COMPLETELY disagree! My friend went to a certain muslim country a couple of yrs ago, mashAllah this girl was full niqabii all black clothing etc, and random men on the street thought she was a prostitute and grabbed at her, istafurAllah.

She should have carried round a little knife or a small pistol with her under the Islamic attire and every time them filthy animals made a move or even raised an eyebrow her way she should have stabbed them or shot them (preferably in the eye.)

Same thing happened to another friend of mine, she went to a country where wearing hijab is part of the law and abaya, and she would get harrassed on the streets, even when she was walking with her brother.

The brother should have grabbed the tongues of all them idiots and pulled them right out.

Allah tells us to wear the hijab/niqab/etc for a reason so we are distinquished as Muslim/beleiving women yet there are some sickos out there who will harass you nonetheless.

Yes thats true, our sisters everywhere need to keep alert and on guard always- don't get worked up silly but be aware, safe, and proactive.

Damn the Muslims are in a sad state today, may Allah bring the Mahdi quickly, ameen.

Ameen- these are the end of times.

[MangoChutney]

[QUOTE=Abu Hurairah]



Man, us dudes just gotta lower our gaze- we need to keep practicising till we perfect it to an art form, for real man how much more do some sisters have to do I mean they go round wearing loose clothing as opposed to tight stuff, they wear thick dense clthing as opposed to thin see through stuff, they wear hijab as opposed to wearing no hijab, they wear niqaab as opposed to not wearing niqaab, they wear jilbab and burkah as opposed to not wearing them, they wear dull colours as opposed to wearing bright attractive colours, etc, etc, etc.


^ wow from the above post ...i didnt realize how good i am. thanks. :D

if a women just lowers her gaze...no matter how attractive her outer gear may be...she does'nt invite the men with her eyes....and that right there will force the man to lower his gaze cause he'll feel like cheese (speaking from exp.)

Ladies: the best advice given to u all could be....just be modest in ur behaivour (this includes hijabs and jilaybib of dfrnt colors) and u wont be bothered by men. :up: make them feel gay by lowering YOUR gaze first.

[~Soul~]

thats tru.. ^
but it works both wayz :D
we shoulddnt be the onli ones lowering our gaze so that the guyz will do it too..

[AbuSadiq]

Question :

We are aware of hijab - covering of woman's face and hair. Some of my muslim lady friends donot cover their hair and there is an argument that if they tie their hair rather than keep it open, the degree of the sin (gunah) is smaller? Also keeping long hair open is a greater sin than keeping short hair open. Is it true? Plese help and reply.
Answer :
Praise be to Allaah. When Allaah, may He be exalted, and His Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) enjoin something, it is obligatory for the Muslim to say, “We hear and we obey,” and to hasten to carry out what has been enjoined upon him. This is what is required by faith in Allaah.

Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“It is not for a believer, man or woman, when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter that they should have any option in their decision. And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error”

[al-Ahzaab 33:36]

Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Sa’di (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:

“It is not for a believer, man or woman” means: it is not appropriate or befitting for the one who is described as a believer to do anything other than to hasten to please Allaah and His Messenger, and to flee from incurring the wrath of Allaah and His Messenger, and to obey their commands, and to avoid that which they have prohibited. It is not appropriate for a believing man or a believing woman “when Allaah and His Messenger have decreed a matter” and enjoined it, “that they should have any option in their decision”. They do not have the choice of whether to do it or not, rather the believing man and the believing woman know that the Messenger is dearer to them then their own selves, so they should not let their own whims and desires form a barrier between them and obeying the command of Allaah and His Messenger.

“And whoever disobeys Allaah and His Messenger, he has indeed strayed into a plain error” means, an obvious error, because he has forsaken the Straight Path which leads to the reward of Allaah, and has strayed to another path which leads to a painful torment. So Allaah mentions first the reason for not going against the command of Allaah and His Messenger, which is faith, then He mentions the deterrent for that, which is fear of going astray, which leads to punishment and humiliation. End quote.

Tafseer al-Sa’di, p. 612.

The Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told us that the one who disobeys him is the one who does not want to enter Paradise! Al-Bukhaari (7280) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “All of my ummah will enter Paradise except those who refuse.” They said: “O Messenger of Allaah, who would refuse?” He said: “Whoever obeys me will enter Paradise and whoever disobeys me has refused.”

When the command of hijab came, the first Muslim women hastened to obey it, so much so that the women tore their clothes in order to hasten to obey this command. This is what is meant by faith.

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: May Allaah have mercy on the women of the early muhaajireen. When Allaah revealed the words “and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)”, they tore their aprons and covered their faces with them. Narrated by al-Bukhaari in a mu’allaq report and by Abu Dawood (4102); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Al-Haafiz Ibn Hajar said:

Muroot, sing. murt (translated here as “aprons”) refers to the izaar or lower garment.

Fath al-Baari, 8/490

Our advice to those sisters is to hasten to obey the command of Allaah without any hesitation, and not to try to obey part of the command and neglect part of it. It is obligatory for a woman to cover her hair, face and all of her body, and it is not permissible for her to show any part of that in front of non-mahram men. Whoever does that is exposing herself to the threat and is lacking in faith to the extent that she is failing to respond to the command of Allaah.

In the answer to question no. 11774 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&QR=11774) we have explained the ruling on women covering their faces, with detailed evidence.

In the answer to question no. 6244 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&QR=6244) we have answered the question: “Why should women cover their hair?”

In the answer to questions no. 214 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&QR=214) and 6991 (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&QR=6991) we have given a description of correct hijab.

And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A (www.islam-qa.com)

[MalikOne™]

She should have carried round a little knife or a small pistol with her under the Islamic attire and every time them filthy animals made a move or even raised an eyebrow her way she should have stabbed them or shot them (preferably in the eye.)


I like tha way you think :D

[Abu Hurairah]

if a women just lowers her gaze...no matter how attractive her outer gear may be...she does'nt invite the men with her eyes....and that right there will force the man to lower his gaze cause he'll feel like cheese (speaking from exp.)

Ladies: the best advice given to u all could be....just be modest in ur behaivour (this includes hijabs and jilaybib of dfrnt colors) and u wont be bothered by men. http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/thumb.gif make them feel gay by lowering YOUR gaze first.

A great post and indeed great advice my femanine sweet and sour side order helping sister.


thats tru.. ^
but it works both wayz http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif
we shoulddnt be the onli ones lowering our gaze so that the guyz will do it too..

Na'am sahih, Soul sister we Muslim dudes also gotta do our part too- fitnah and zinah are sicknesses that need the fuel of both parties concerned to light up the fire of hell.


I like tha way you think http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

Ah yes dear Maliki madhab sir, they the intellectually sophisticated well-mannered refined astute gentlemen like ourselves do say that great minds think alike.

[MalikOne™]

make them feel gay by lowering YOUR gaze first.


:rotfl:

btw im hanafi

[Mary Carol]

what if dark colors draw mens attention too

Realistically, what about a woman doesn't end up attracting some male?

My grandfather grew up in a society where women only exposed their hands and ankles.

He became a great admirer of what he called "a well turned ankle".

To me, an ankle is just a bony protuberance!

[Mujaheedah]

:rofl1: @ the ankle thing.

[PaGaL~LaDo0]

lool, I was thinking the same thing ( I skipped a couple of posts)

errmm i aint sre but i trt u wrnt loud 2 wear clrz whch atrctd pplz atntion....

[Abu Hurairah]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Abu Hurairah
make them feel gay by lowering YOUR gaze first.



http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/lachen70.gif

btw im hanafi

Well 'blind follower' old boy, no bodies perfect as is the saying amongst us suave upper class aristocrats. I'm joking akhi I am a Hanafi as well though not a hardcore super 'only my Madhab and/ or non-Madhab is right' and everything else is da'eef or batil type. I prefer not to take to my local Masjid some ultra-nice Salafi bros that come round to my place for fear that the uncles will break their sallah mid way and force the bros to lower their raised hands or even stuff their tupee into the bros mouths to stop them from saying Ameen out loud.

Oh and that hilarious comment was actually originally quoted by sis. MangoChutney so the credit should really go to her. :up:


Quote:
Originally Posted by *islamia
lool, I was thinking the same thing ( I skipped a couple of posts)

errmm i aint sre but i trt u wrnt loud 2 wear clrz whch atrctd pplz atntion....

Well my atrociously bad spelling, grammer, and whatever else- slightly deranged sweet meat addict anonymous sister as to the matter whether or not it is permissible for sisters to wear bright/ attractive colours in particular on hijabs is a matter best referred to the genuine scholars of the Ummah- try www.islamqa.com (http://www.islamqa.com/)

Please don't get me mistaken with the fake wanna-be brand that can be found everywhere else and also here on Ummah.com as there seems to be some ikhtilaf amongst us DIY Faqhees, Have a go Ullema, and also the usually ever reliable fee based fatwah providers of the Grand High Council of Street Scholars al Majlis as-Shurah fee kulli Makkan seem to be a bit gobsmacked and dumbfounded by this one, but then again its probably becouse you haven't offered any form of payment for that religious verdict request of yours- and no before you ask we don't accept ladoo or other form of sweet meat as payment, thank you and have a good day.

[SoulAsylum]

Exactly the women are just as bad as the men, and i know this dnt apply 2 any1 here, but if women cover up properley, men wont perve over them- simple as that

Thats no reason for a man to perve over her. A true sign of a man is if even she is'nt covered up properly still not to perve over her. Im not saying its easy, it is hard, but that is the true mark of a man. She could be standing naked right in front of you, but still not to stare at her.

The first accidental glance is permitted.

[Ar-Raya]

"Whilst everyone was talking about the brightness of the niqaab...
Did anyone notice the other thing that was wrong with it...
Who else noticed that regardless of what colour the womans niqaab is...she's not wearing it properly.
You can see her hair on the side of her head.
Isn't it disgraceful how the kuffar try to entice our muslim sisters."

The above was what i was originally going to post
Astaghfirallah...i was gonna post without actually reading the article.(Hands up who posted first and then read the article...hmmm...lol)

The photo is of Ms Asra Q. Nomani on her way to the seminar,and not a photo of of the clothes that the seminar was displaying...

I'm a Muslim woman, but I don't cover my hair except when I go into mosques with a hoodie over my head in a look I call "ghetto hijab."
She only covered her head to go "undercover" to get into the seminar...
Which totally explains why she doesnt know how to wear a hijaab properly...

also... So, at the diner across the street, I draped a hot pink scarf from the Tie Rack over my head and covered my body in a flower-patterned Nine West trench coat

It's sad how these girls try to justify to themselves that what they are doing is ok...
(The Quran, while calling for modesty, does not mandate that women wear hair scarves or long gowns.)
Surah An Noor(surah 24) ayat 31...

And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty...(til the end of the ayat)

If we look to the sunnah of the Prophet (Saw) then we'll see that His(saw) wife's didnt have burqas or abayas or jilbaabs when they were first told this...So they took a sheet and wrapped it round themselves...

Not sure which is worse...The fact that the journalist writing the article is a ghetto Hijabi or the fact that the entire salesteam weren't muslim...(apart from the lady with the scarf hanging off her head in a business suit)
Not that there is anything wrong with them being nonmuslim...it's more the fact that they hadnt done their research...

A lot of their range of clothes wasn't modest enough...And they were trying to sell things like..."hijab broaches"...to pin on the top of your hijab...lol...

what made me laugh was this...
Imagine you're in the crowd...and some lady is yabbering on about how wonderful their range of clothes is...the style the colour etc...just as you begin to nod off...they stop talking...
At that moment another saleswoman steps forward..."Of course, we have scarves!"
What!!!...does she expect all the sisters to jump up,and run towards the stage...screaming "They have scarves!,I can't believe it"... lol

perhaps it was just the way I pictured it..but i found that funny...

jazakallah for posting the article abdulhakeem...it was an interesting read...

[~Soul~]

Realistically, what about a woman doesn't end up attracting some male?

My grandfather grew up in a society where women only exposed their hands and ankles.

He became a great admirer of what he called "a well turned ankle".

To me, an ankle is just a bony protuberance!
now i understand y i should wear nikaab if go on hajj ma sis said that the guyz stare lyk anithin even if u do hav nikaab on and she felt lyk goin up to them and slapping them in the face :D

[Abu Hurairah]

Thats no reason for a man to perve over her. A true sign of a man is if even she is'nt covered up properly still not to perve over her. Im not saying its easy, it is hard, but that is the true mark of a man. She could be standing naked right in front of you, but still not to stare at her.

The first accidental glance is permitted.

I completely agree- even these days theirs dudes that approach sisters with hijab/ jilbab/ niqaab etc. for the very reason that their covered.:shock: Yes, the stupid reasoning of the dirty dudes and unfortuantly all too often non-discouraging sisters is that 'dont fret man she's a practisin' sis' or 'she's not like that, she's covered see' or 'i know her', or 'dude don't go being all extreme she is from the same ISOC as me', I'm like you people all deserve a good dose of :smack: seriously thats just plain wrong- whatever happened to the hadith of lowering of the gaze, and the zinah of the differnt body parts such as the eyes, ears, etc? Have these people forgotten about the permissible and non-permissible relationships between a Mahram and non-Mahram???

[MalikOne™]

Thats no reason for a man to perve over her. A true sign of a man is if even she is'nt covered up properly still not to perve over her. Im not saying its easy, it is hard, but that is the true mark of a man. She could be standing naked right in front of you, but still not to stare at her.

The first accidental glance is permitted.

I know, i was talking general

[Abu Hurairah]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Carol
Realistically, what about a woman doesn't end up attracting some male?

My grandfather grew up in a society where women only exposed their hands and ankles.

He became a great admirer of what he called "a well turned ankle".

To me, an ankle is just a bony protuberance!


now i understand y i should wear nikaab if go on hajj ma sis said that the guyz stare lyk anithin even if u do hav nikaab on and she felt lyk goin up to them and slapping them in the face http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

In any normal situation I would be in favour of violent conduct towards those that practicly ask to be hurt, but here I can't for three reasons:

1.) Your sister is on Hajj, and one of the rights of the Hajji is that they cannot actually harm living things intentionally.
2.) The form of violence that you have indicated towards the bad guys would not be permissible as by the act of slapping, your sister would inevitably have to physically touch non-Mahram men.
3.) The crime represented here neccessitates a harsher punishment than has been prescribed- surely filthy people whom seek to commit filth with the compounds of the Masjid al Haram upon a fellow Hajji when he/ she should be attempting to shun such evil and cleanse themselves deserves a sterner punishment than a sinner commiting sins else where on to others let alone him/herself. Thus, I would prefer that sisters and brothers opt to use baseball bats (or similar weapon of choice) when dishing and distributing a wholesome dose of justice- this way the physical touching will be avoided, so therefore you can swing away to your hearts content.

In the particular case dealing with your sisters predicament with consultation of Sheikh'ul Abd'allah al Catistani I can state that your sister should in future hand out 'I owe yous', so the next time some nasty dude looks at her during Umrah or Hajj hand out an 'I owe you Mr. Nasty staring at Hajji sisters a swing of the old baseball bat around the head or other part of body of your choice- please call 0800 I AM EVIL asap'. Then after her Hajj is complete you whack 'em but be mindful that you only hit them as many times as is deserved- we are the victims, please remember that.

[~Soul~]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mary Carol
Realistically, what about a woman doesn't end up attracting some male?

My grandfather grew up in a society where women only exposed their hands and ankles.

He became a great admirer of what he called "a well turned ankle".

To me, an ankle is just a bony protuberance!


now i understand y i should wear nikaab if go on hajj ma sis said that the guyz stare lyk anithin even if u do hav nikaab on and she felt lyk goin up to them and slapping them in the face http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

In any normal situation I would be in favour of violent conduct towards those that practicly ask to be hurt, but here I can't for three reasons:

1.) Your sister is on Hajj, and one of the rights of the Hajji is that they cannot actually harm living things intentionally.
2.) The form of violence that you have indicated towards the bad guys would not be permissible as by the act of slapping, your sister would inevitably have to physically touch non-Mahram men.
3.) The crime represented here neccessitates a harsher punishment than has been prescribed- surely filthy people whom seek to commit filth with the compounds of the Masjid al Haram upon a fellow Hajji when he/ she should be attempting to shun such evil and cleanse themselves deserves a sterner punishment than a sinner commiting sins else where on to others let alone him/herself. Thus, I would prefer that sisters and brothers opt to use baseball bats (or similar weapon of choice) when dishing and distributing a wholesome dose of justice- this way the physical touching will be avoided, so therefore you can swing away to your hearts content.

In the particular case dealing with your sisters predicament with consultation of Sheikh'ul Abd'allah al Catistani I can state that your sister should in future hand out 'I owe yous', so the next time some nasty dude looks at her during Umrah or Hajj hand out an 'I owe you Mr. Nasty staring at Hajji sisters a swing of the old baseball bat around the head or other part of body of your choice- please call 0800 I AM EVIL asap'. Then after her Hajj is complete you whack 'em but be mindful that you only hit them as many times as is deserved- we are the victims, please remember that.
lol ok when i go on haj ill take a baseballl bat...
but i think it might be a problem at the airport they might think im going to kill someone in the plane..especially as im a muslim they certainly wont let me..they wouldnt even let my sis take her knitting needles :D ...
otha then that it is a very good idea :D

[Abu Hurairah]

lol ok when i go on haj ill take a baseballl bat...
but i think it might be a problem at the airport they might think im going to kill someone in the plane..especially as im a muslim they certainly wont let me..they wouldnt even let my sis take her knitting needles http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif ...
otha then that it is a very good idea http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I see your predicament here sister Soul and with consultation with Sheikh'ul Baatil Abd'allah al Catistani we have come with a solution, you have been given an exemption due to your unique circumstance. What you do in your case is use a walking stick instead of the traditional ever reliable trusty friend the baseball bat, we admit this is rather un-orthadox and flouts all our traditional codes and practices but we live in times that require a new outlook in particular to the low breed of human that is dry of all things good and Islamic becoming morally bankrupt even whilst doing tawaf in front of the Kab'ah.

With regards to the walking stick you will be required to pretend you are an elderly woman to get it passed through the rigourous airport security- if they buy that you a granny than it should be a sinch passing through customs too. I have held lengthy debates with Sheikh'ul Mowduh Abd'allah al Catistani and he has with time brainwashed me and convinced me that it is permissable for you to lie, cheat, and promote deception as to pretending to be an old timer as he argues that this would be the lesser of the two evils when compared to the relative good you will obtain in whacking the filty fools around the head that glare and stare at you when they should have khushoo and be preoccupied in their ibadah.

Perhaps, the only good advice that Sheikh Abd'allah al Catistani provides you free from contradictions and weak evidences is that he strongly advises you slowly but surely to adopt to wear the Niqaab. :up: (He says that way you'll pass through the airport checks more easily too seen as they will not look at you face to see if its wrinkly and need the walking stick or smooth as a babies bottom and more in need of a baseball bat.)

[ummbilal]

Of course, the most puritanical Muslims would say that hijab is not meant to be flashy. According to these men and women, it's supposed to be the sartorial equivalent of a burlap sack, not a trimly tailored Anne Klein jacket. It's supposed to be black, not trendy colors like fuchsia and teal. Preachers from New Jersey to California rail at the pulpit against women who put too much fashion in their hijab. To quote one rant on a conservative Muslim Web site: "Everyday we see our Muslim sisters proudly displaying names and initials on their clothing. … What are they advertising? CD, YSL, D&G,"—as in Christian Dior, Yves Saint Laurent and Dolce & Gabbana—"How ironic that the most modest of dressing—the cloak and scarf—should become contaminated by advertising the names of some of the most shameless and perverted people in the world."



To me this says it all, this is simply the fashion world trying to get their foot in the door of islamic clothing and their grubby little hands on muslim money, muslimahs who cover should know that imitating the styles of the kufr is a nono, ie hijab with labels is kinda the wrong idea, so is brightly coloured hijab,

its all about modesty ie so you dont...i repeat DONT attract attention to yourself not simply so u have a piece of cloth on your head.

how can it be halal to speand hundreds of pounds or dollars on your hijab when our muslims brothers and sisters are in dire poverty in Pakistan/Afganistan/indonisia etc..???

I am sure there are many muslim women who will rush to buy this stuff, anyone shopping in Bayswater knows the amount of women with hijaab and jilbab and half a TONNE of makeup and gallons of perfume on who love to spend spend spend,
unfortunatly i think they wear hijaab as a cultural thing they have no knowlage of their deen.

Inshaallah Allah guide us all.

(ghetto hijaab..................oh dear....)

[~Soul~]

lol ok when i go on haj ill take a baseballl bat...
but i think it might be a problem at the airport they might think im going to kill someone in the plane..especially as im a muslim they certainly wont let me..they wouldnt even let my sis take her knitting needles http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif ...
otha then that it is a very good idea http://ummah.com/forum/images/smilies/biggrin.gif

I see your predicament here sister Soul and with consultation with Sheikh'ul Baatil Abd'allah al Catistani we have come with a solution, you have been given an exemption due to your unique circumstance. What you do in your case is use a walking stick instead of the traditional ever reliable trusty friend the baseball bat, we admit this is rather un-orthadox and flouts all our traditional codes and practices but we live in times that require a new outlook in particular to the low breed of human that is dry of all things good and Islamic becoming morally bankrupt even whilst doing tawaf in front of the Kab'ah.

With regards to the walking stick you will be required to pretend you are an elderly woman to get it passed through the rigourous airport security- if they buy that you a granny than it should be a sinch passing through customs too. I have held lengthy debates with Sheikh'ul Mowduh Abd'allah al Catistani and he has with time brainwashed me and convinced me that it is permissable for you to lie, cheat, and promote deception as to pretending to be an old timer as he argues that this would be the lesser of the two evils when compared to the relative good you will obtain in whacking the filty fools around the head that glare and stare at you when they should have khushoo and be preoccupied in their ibadah.

Perhaps, the only good advice that Sheikh Abd'allah al Catistani provides you free from contradictions and weak evidences is that he strongly advises you slowly but surely to adopt to wear the Niqaab. :up: (He says that way you'll pass through the airport checks more easily too seen as they will not look at you face to see if its wrinkly and need the walking stick or smooth as a babies bottom and more in need of a baseball bat.)
lol a walking stick??
i hav to pretend im a old lady...lol
how weird would that look :D

ima start wearing nikaab insha allah ma frend wants me to start with her cause shes starting then ill have someone to start with me if you know what i mean...though sometimes wearing nikaab is hard it feels stuffy and stuff but then ill get more reward from Allah insha allah...:)

[Abu Hurairah]

lol a walking stick??
i hav to pretend im a old lady...lol
how weird would that look :D

Yes, I and Sheikh'ul Fasad Abd'allah al Catistani agree that someone young pretending to be old carrying a walking stick around with them would well look pretty weird and all and may attract more looks- but think of the benefits longterm you get to carry an almost lethal (OK not quite a baseball bat but we can't have everything in life) weapon of mass destruction around with you legally to beat them dirty dudes with- and the increase of glares and stares for you pretending to be a pensioner means an increase of unhealthy distribution of beatings.:D Oh let us go to the good life. Man, that Sheikh'ul Da'eef Abd'allah al Catistani is quite a wise old violent fellow.

ima start wearing nikaab insha allah ma frend wants me to start with her cause shes starting then ill have someone to start with me if you know what i mean...though sometimes wearing nikaab is hard it feels stuffy and stuff but then ill get more reward from Allah insha allah...:)

:up: :up: :up: May Allah's rahmah pour upon you and your friend- masha'allah this is excellent news, I'm sure the stuffyness and irritating feelings will out weigh the benefits insha'allah- perservere sis. and insha'allah Allah (swt) will give you masses of rewards for your nyah and efforts in pleasing him. Oh sis. one advice say if your friend kind of gives up, please, please, remember Allah (swt) and have istikamah and you continue wearing the Niqaab whatever comes what may.:up: :up: :up: :hidban:

[janathi]

lol a walking stick??
i hav to pretend im a old lady...lol
how weird would that look :D

ima start wearing nikaab insha allah ma frend wants me to start with her cause shes starting then ill have someone to start with me if you know what i mean...though sometimes wearing nikaab is hard it feels stuffy and stuff but then ill get more reward from Allah insha allah...:)

Assalamualykum wrwb

You made my day!:up:

Masha'allah! May Allah (swt) bless you and ur friend Immensely!!

Insha'allah

Ameen

Wa'salaam

[~Soul~]

Yes, I and Sheikh'ul Fasad Abd'allah al Catistani agree that someone young pretending to be old carrying a walking stick around with them would well look pretty weird and all and may attract more looks- but think of the benefits longterm you get to carry an almost lethal (OK not quite a baseball bat but we can't have everything in life) weapon of mass destruction around with you legally to beat them dirty dudes with- and the increase of glares and stares for you pretending to be a pensioner means an increase of unhealthy distribution of beatings. Oh let us go to the good life. Man, that Sheikh'ul Da'eef Abd'allah al Catistani is quite a wise old violent fellow.
lol..
im thinking of all the people who deserve a whack over the head with a walking stick! :D
but it sounds like one of those old ladys you know like when there annoyed they hit you with there hand bag...:D
now we just have to make sure that ASIO doesnt see this because they might ban walking sticks which might make all the real grannies out there send me a death threat! :P

Man, that Sheikh'ul Da'eef Abd'allah al Catistani is quite a wise old violent fellow
very wise! :P

[~Soul~]

Assalamualykum wrwb

You made my day!:up:

Masha'allah! May Allah (swt) bless you and ur friend Immensely!!

Insha'allah

Ameen

Wa'salaam
Ameen :D

[Abu Hurairah]

Assalamualykum wrwb

Wa Alaikum wa Assalam

You made my day!:up:

Yes, that news got me sooooooooooooooooo happy as well alhamdulillah. :)

Masha'allah! May Allah (swt) bless you and ur friend Immensely!!

Insha'allah

Ameen

Ameen indeed.

Wa'salaam

Wa Alaikum wa Assalm


lol..
im thinking of all the people who deserve a whack over the head with a walking stick! :D
but it sounds like one of those old ladys you know like when there annoyed they hit you with there hand bag...:D
now we just have to make sure that ASIO doesnt see this because they might ban walking sticks which might make all the real grannies out there send me a death threat! :

Nah, grannies aren't too bad- their quite nice alhamdulillah- they shouldn't attack you unless provoked- the worst they do is remind everyone about when you were small and you would try to put everything in your mouth and would pee everywhere which makes everyone get into a fit of giggles except yourself (but come on man your little you have no self control over your bowels and you get hungry too so what?- whats to laugh at?) The most violent they get is pinching you in the ear even if your all grown up and forcing a kiss on your cheeks (on you face ofcourse).

very wise! :P

No he aint, I was only joking he's a fool (a very violent fool)- I should know.;)