MUTAH-Marriages online

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

I was just searching on web, and here is an Interesting Website i found. What is all that about. Can somebody explain this

http://www.xxx.com/MaleProfiles.html

[BostonInsomniac]

Originally posted by mtsmallick
Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

I was just searching on web, and here is an Interesting Website i found. What is all that about. Can somebody explain this

http://www.xxx.com/MaleProfiles.html
Very interesting. So, could someone tell me a little more about mutah thing?

[waz]

The marriage act in the faith of islam is indeed a holy institution where two souls are bound in marriage for the rest of their lives. It is not just a sexual relationship but one that is food for the soul and will increase your own piety and spirital strength.

The act of "muta" is one practiced by extreme shia advocates. This is not something that the prophet or his companions did. It was allowed on one occasion during an long expedition in which a quick marriage was allowed. After which it was made unlawful for any muslim to carry out.

Mutta marriage is something short tern that a man marries a woman satisfys his urge then divorces her and moves to the next.
This is simply degrading and disgusting. Woman are precious and should be treated as such. This filth called muta shows no respect for woman or the faith.

[Asian Tiger]

Originally posted by waz
The marriage act in the faith of islam is indeed a holy institution where two souls are bound in marriage for the rest of their lives. It is not just a sexual relationship but one that is food for the soul and will increase your own piety and spirital strength.

The act of "muta" is one practiced by extreme shia advocates. This is not something that the prophet or his companions did. It was allowed on one occasion during an long expedition in which a quick marriage was allowed. After which it was made unlawful for any muslim to carry out.

Mutta marriage is something short tern that a man marries a woman satisfys his urge then divorces her and moves to the next.
This is simply degrading and disgusting. Woman are precious and should be treated as such. This filth called muta shows no respect for woman or the faith.


I tend to agree with you. However I am not sure it is only done by "extreme shia advocates". It seems to be more common in Shia society. There are plenty of "candidates" on the site posted by Mtsmallick and most of this activity anyway is offline.

I agree completely with the rest of what you say. It is interesting to read some of the profiles on the site. Some of the men are looking for short term relationships, many others experimental relationships which may lead to marriage. Presumably they engage in many of these relationships before finding the right one to enter into a proper marriage. This is not much different to the western practice of dating and living together in an unmarried state. The Shia way is slightly more formal and operates under the guise of "temporary marriage". Other than that some of the characteristics are quite similar.

[muawiyah]

muta is another word for legalization of prostitution. one can make an arrangement with a prostitute in a brothel according to muta. this filthy practice is condemned and banned in Islam, only some deviant cults practice this. click here to learn more:
http://www.allaahuakbar.net/shiites/concept_of_muta.htm
http://www.ic.sunysb.edu/Stu/azarinni/Muta.htm

[Ruqayyah]

It is a disgusting practice, and goes against the family institution. Its just a cheap trick, to enable these men to "legalise" sleeping around. Muslim men are allowed four wives which is more than enough. Muta gives them the stand to sleep around, take the virginity of women, pay them and leave them, with somewhat less hopes of finding a husband. The risk of desease is also increased, and ultimately you would be left with families of single mothers with child. Not a moral or Islamic choice at all me thinks!

[AbuMubarak]

sounds like a very american practice of shacking up before marriage, just to see if its gonna work

[reachin'out]

Assalam alaykum,

Mut'uah Marriage was abolished by the prophet, solla Allahu alayhi wassalam, at the battle of khaiber.

Fi amani Allah

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by reachin'out
Assalam alaykum,

Mut'uah Marriage was abolished by the prophet, solla Allahu alayhi wassalam, at the battle of khaiber.

Fi amani Allah

It was not. Muta was practised by prominent companions of the Prophet during the lifetime and after of the Holy Prophet, during the caliphate of Hazrat Abu Bakr and partly during that of Hazrat Omar until it was prohibitted by Omar whose fatwa said:

" Two mutas were permitted during the time of the Holy Prophet, I make them unlawful and I will punish those who practise them"

If Islam is what was revealed to the Prophet and what is recorded in the Quran, muta is still valid as it was when it was first established. If Islam is what the man made caliphs make it out to be, then muta is prohibitted.

Take your pick.

[angelgirl101]

Oh no! Ok, which bozo dug this thread up? Oh, the arguments I got out of this thread!:D :p ;)

[Qurratulain]

Salaam here we go again
It is related in Bukhari that the prophet prohibited muta

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:
Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

[Labwatullaah]

Temporary Marriage & Its Illegtimacy in Islam (http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/muta.htm)

The Shia practice of the forbidden temporary marriage (http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/temporary_marriage.htm)

Temporary Marriage - A Plea from a Muslim Sister (http://www.islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/muta_story.htm)

[reachin'out]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
It was not. Muta was practised by prominent companions of the Prophet during the lifetime and after of the Holy Prophet, during the caliphate of Hazrat Abu Bakr and partly during that of Hazrat Omar until it was prohibitted by Omar whose fatwa said:

" Two mutas were permitted during the time of the Holy Prophet, I make them unlawful and I will punish those who practise them"

If Islam is what was revealed to the Prophet and what is recorded in the Quran, muta is still valid as it was when it was first established. If Islam is what the man made caliphs make it out to be, then muta is prohibitted.

Take your pick.
Assalam alaykum,

My statement has now been backed up by 2 other posters with proofs. The proofs include hadith from Ali bin abu Taleb, your "first imam".

Fi amani Allah

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
Salaam here we go again
It is related in Bukhari that the prophet prohibited muta

Sahih Bukhari
Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:
Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

One of the several contradictory reports. It has been reported by several other Sunni sources that muta was prohibitted on

the occasion of the Conquest of Mecca

the ocassion of the Last Pilgrimage

the Day of Tabuk


Muta is allowed by a verse of the Quran and from among the Sunni, Imam Malik bin Anas maintains that muta was not abolished.

Several Sunni sources clearly say that muta was practised even after the passing away of the Prophet.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal for example says in his Musnad that , it is narrated by Jabir that Abu Nazara said:

" In the days of the Prophet and Abu Bakr, we used to practice muta for a consideration of a handful of dates and flour until Omar prohibitted it in the case of Amr bin Harith

So, there you go. So much for the report in Bukhari. Other Sunni sources contradict it.

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
One of the several contradictory reports. It has been reported by several other Sunni sources that muta was prohibitted on

the occasion of the Conquest of Mecca

the ocassion of the Last Pilgrimage

the Day of Tabuk


Muta is allowed by a verse of the Quran and from among the Sunni, Imam Malik bin Anas maintains that muta was not abolished.

Several Sunni sources which clearly say that muta was practised even after the passing away of the Prophet.

Imam Ahmad bin Hanbal for example says in his Musnad that , it is narrated by Jabir that he said:

" In the days of the Prophet and Abu Bakr, we used to practice muta for a consideration of a handful of dates and flour until Omar prohibitted it in the case of Amr bin Harith

So, there you go. So much for the report in Bukhari. Other Sunni sources contradict it.
Ahan, so they said UNTIL Omar(raz) prohibited it,so after that it was not allowed anymore. What other sunni sources are u talking about why dont u give me some more proof, those I know clearly disallow it. Read the proof above as well provided by the other sis and then tell me which other sunni sources contradict it. Its a sahih hadeeth from Bukhari, so I dont see anyone contradicting it.
The verse of the Quran ur talking about doesnt speak about muta but about marriage. No where is the word muta or temporay marriage used
So here u go so much for baiting han

[Labwatullaah]

Refute the articles I posted Bait. Till then your position is null and void.

[Bait and Bite]

Muslim in his Sahih, part I, in the chapter of Nikatu'l-Mut'a, says "Hasan Halwa'i reported to us that he was told by Abdu'r-Razzaq, who was informed by Ibn Jarih, who was told by 'Ata that Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari came to Mecca for the Umra and they went to him at his residence. People asked him many questions. When they came to the question of mut'a he said, 'Yes, we used to practice mut'a during the time of the Holy Prophet and during the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar.'"

Also in the same book in part I, in the chapter of al-Mut'a Bi'l-Hajj wa'l-Umra, it is narrated on the authority of Abu Nazara that he said: "I was in the company of Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari when a man came and said, 'There is a difference of opinion between Ibn Abbas and Ibn Zubair concerning the two mut'as, Mut'atu'n-Nisa and Mut'atu'l-Hajj.' Then Jabir said, 'We have performed both of these during the time of the Holy Prophet. Thereafter, when Umar forbade it, we could not do it.'"


Hamidi, in his Jam'-e-Bainu's-Sahihain, narrates from Abdullah Ibn Abbas that he said: "We used to practice mut'a during the time of the Holy Prophet. When Umar was caliph, he said that 'Allah Almighty made lawful whatever He liked for His Holy Prophet. Now he is dead, and the Qur'an takes his place. So when you begin the Hajj or the Umra, you should complete them as Allah has ordered you. You should repent of and abstain from mut'a. Bring him who has practiced mut'a to me so that I may stone him.'"

Jarullah Zamakhshari reports in his Kashshaf from Ibn Abbas and also Muhammad Bin Jarir Tabari in his Tafsir-e-Kabir and Imam Fakhru'd-din Razi in his Tafsir-e-Mafatihu'l-Ghaib, vol.III, writing about this holy verse and Imam Nuwi in his Sharh-e-Muslim, chapter I, Nikatu'l-Mut'a report from Nazari that Qazi Ayaz stated that "Abdullah Bin Mas'ud, the writer of wahi (i.e., recorder of revelations), used to recite this verse in the same way, that is, 'until such time as has been fixed.'"


Imam Fakhru'd-din Razi, after quoting the statement of Ubayy Ibn Ka'b and Ibn Abbas, said: "The community did not reject their recitation of the verse in this way, so what we have said has been accepted through consensus." Again on the next page he argues in this way: "This reading evidently proves that mut'a had the sanction of religion. We have no difference of opinion that mut'a was permitted in the time of the Holy Prophet."



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Above are some Sunni sources which prove that muta was practised even after the death of the Holy Prophet, through the caliphate of Hazrat Abu Bakr until Hazrat Omar issued his fatwa forbidding that which the Prophet had allowed!

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by angelgirl101
Oh no! Ok, which bozo dug this thread up? Oh, the arguments I got out of this thread!:D :p ;) i am the bozo who dug up this thread, because i posted an article in immorallity and did a search and this is the thread i chose to add it to

do you ever have an intelligent comment to make?

[Qurratulain]

bait give me evidence from Bukhari or Muslim. Those sources ur talking of no where do I see a hadith of Bukhari or muslim
You want more evidence for where it was not allowed anymore, "Rabi' b. Sabra reported that his father went on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the Victory of Mecca, and we stayed there for fifteen days (i. e. for thirteen full days and a day and a night), and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage with women. So I and another person of my tribe went out, and I was more handsome than he, whereas he was almost ugly. Each one of us had a cloaks, My cloak was worn out, whereas the cloak of my cousin was quite new. As we reached the lower or the upper side of Mecca, we came across a young woman like a young smart long-necked she-camel. We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden. (Translation of Sahih Muslim, Book 8, Number 3253)"

Narrated 'Ali: "I said to Ibn 'Abbas, 'During the battle of Khaibar the Prophet forbade (Nikah) Al-Mut'a [Temporary Marriage in English] and the eating of donkey's meat.' (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 50)"

Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah and Salama bin Al-Akwa': "While we were in an army, Allah's Apostle came to us and said, "You have been allowed to do the Mut'a (marriage), so do it." Salama bin Al-Akwa' said: Allah's Apostle's said, "If a man and a woman agree (to marry temporarily), their marriage should last for three nights, and if they like to continue, they can do so; and if they want to separate, they can do so." I do not know whether that was only for us or for all the people in general. Abu Abdullah (Al-Bukhari) said: 'Ali made it clear that the Prophet said, "The Mut'a marriage has been cancelled (made unlawful)." (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Wedlock, Marriage (Nikaah), Volume 7, Book 62, Number 52)"

Narrated Saburah ibn Ma'bad al-Juhani: "The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) prohibited temporary marriage with women. (Translation of Sunan Abu-Dawud, Marriage (Kitab Al-Nikah), Book 11, Number 2068)"
and PS TRY REFUTING WHAT THE SIS POSTED
The prophet(saw) forbade it point out!

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by reachin'out
Assalam alaykum,

My statement has now been backed up by 2 other posters with proofs. The proofs include hadith from Ali bin abu Taleb, your "first imam".

Fi amani Allah

Wa alaikum Salam,

LOL! Hadiths might be reported on the authority of whosoever. They hold no validity unless they corraborate with the Quran. Many a hadith have been concocted on the authority of the Prophet himself. The ONLY book which is uncorruptible is the Holy Quran. With hadith, I (and my school of thought) accept whatever agrees with the Quran and reject what disagrees with it, no matter who the hadith is ascribed to, no matter where it has been recorded and no mater who is meant to have reported it.

The Holy Quran superscedes all other!

[AbuMubarak]

qrratulain

i applaud your efforts but you are speaking to the deaf

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
qrratulain

i applaud your efforts but you are speaking to the deaf

Now that is a great argument. How eloquent, conclusive and irrefutable. Mashallah. :eek:

[Qurratulain]

Yep the Quran excels everything but the Quran also talks again and again to follow Allah and his messenger :D ,so if the prophet(saw) says something which aint allowed its not allowed.
The Quran no where speaks of mutah:D
Bukhari and Muslims are the most authentic sunnah and I have given u many which clearly show its not allowed,and what u provided ahem no comment

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Raafi
qrratulain

i applaud your efforts but you are speaking to the deaf
thank u akhi I know:( I have nothing to add anymore now

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
Yep the Quran excels everything but the Quran also talks again and again to follow Allah and his messenger :D ,so if the prophet(saw) says something which aint allowed its not allowed.

The Quran no where speaks of mutah:D

Bukhari and Muslims are the most authentic sunnah and I have given u many which clearly show its not allowed,and what u provided ahem no comment

Yeah? How about you read this:

Sura al Nisa:

Transliteration:
4:24 wa al muh.s.anaat min an nisaa' 'illaa maa malakat aymaankum kitaab 'allaah alaykum wa uh.illa lakum maa waraa'a zaalikum 'an tabtaghu bi amwaalkum muh.s.iniin ghayr musaafih.iin fa maa istamta tum bihi minhunna fa 'aatuhunna 'ujurhunna fared.ah wa laa junaah. Alaykum fe maa taraad.aytum bihi min ba di al fared.ah 'inna 'allaah kaana aliim(an) h.akiim(an).

English (Yusuf Ali):
4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
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This is where muta derived its validity in Islam in the first place and so it remains till the Day of Judgement. It is allowed by the Quran, was not repealed by the Prophet and is valid now as it was before and will remain so forever!

[AbuMubarak]

thru twisting, bending and distortion?

good sound argument b&b

do you have a degree in that method of debate?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
thru twisting, bending and distortion?

good sound argument b&b

do you have a degree in that method of debate?

No I do not twist, do not bend and do not distort. That is where 'istamta' is mentioned in the Quran. Someone wanted to know. There it is. And guess what? This is no Sahih Bukari either!

It is the irrefutable Word of God!

[Jones]

Reading back over all these old posts makes me want to add something very pertinent that I don't believe too many of you know. But I'll tell you, and you can believe it or not. Further, I'm not going to post any links or references because it's all so unprovable at this time.

However, I'll put it this way, frankly: No matter what your religion or political belief there are some people at the top of the food chain who have decided to reduce world population to less than a billion. This program has been in motion for years now. Those people don't care how many people die or how, really. Their aim is strictly to reduce world population via any means to ensure that those few at the top then have control of all money, resources and land masses. And even many of those who think they are exempt from this genocide are not immune, including those governments or individuals who may be participating in this evil. Ask the Africans, at least 60 million of them are scheduled to die from AIDS in the next 20 years. It's not morals so much as a lack of education and real opportunity to live in a decent world where the so-called leaders of the system actually CARE if one lives or dies. When the rules "they" make leave everyone in ignorance and poverty with lack of health care, how then can people survive and prosper?

I advise everyone to think this all through very carefully.

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
No I do not twist, do not bend and do not distort. That is where 'istamta' is mentioned in the Quran. Someone wanted to know. There it is. And guess what? This is no Sahih Bukari either!

It is the irrefutable Word of God!
hehehe I knew bait u would come up with this verse,even though u pretend to be so smart its so easy to get where ur getting at.I expected better from u, so where does Allah say temporary marriage? Does in ur definition derive benefit from them mean muta?temorary marriage?
To understand it u must read all the next verses in the Quran as well, not just pick one which suits u
And what u qouted it proves itself that
A marriage contract must consist of more than an arrangement for satisfaction of lusts, you proved it urself
(Quran 4:24, 25, and 27); and (2) Quran 4:24 merely states that "all others are lawful," i.e. one may marry any partner to whom marriage is not otherwise prohibited in the Quran. It does not say mut’a is alright, and the ayah’s discussion of the dowery does not imply the legality of mut’a but merely recites the universal rule that the dowery contracted for cannot be reduced except by mutual agreement. See also Quran 4:19.
Allah hafiz

[Qurratulain]

seeesh ok allright sorry

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
No I do not twist, do not bend and do not distort. That is where 'istamta' is mentioned in the Quran. Someone wanted to know. There it is. And guess what? This is no Sahih Bukari either!

It is the irrefutable Word of God! thats a perfect example of what i am talking about

you have taken one word and used it for justifying fornication under the guise of marriage

istamta comes from mutah, which implies we are allowed to have pleasure in our wives and in our lives

it is not a legal justification for me giving a girl $1000 for a week to be married and then we go our separate ways

again, you trying to infuse shia doctrine into ummah.com

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
thats a perfect example of what i am talking about

you have taken one word and used it for justifying fornication under the guise of marriage

istamta comes from mutah, which implies we are allowed to have pleasure in our wives and in our lives

it is not a legal justification for me giving a girl $1000 for a week to be married and then we go our separate ways

again, you trying to infuse shia doctrine into ummah.com

You speak as if you are a Catholic and divorce is not possible in your religion. $1000.00 as dower for a week or a handful of dates for a night, you could still divorce your wife after you have had your 'mutah' or 'pleasure' or 'benefit'. All you would have to do is utter Talaq thrice and it is 'khalas'. Finito.

At least in Shia doctrine, divorce is not that easy. You would need two just witnesses before you can dismiss your nikah marriage that flimsily.

So, whether it is a temporary marriage for a week or a divorce by three repeats of the word 'Talaq' after a week, $1000.00 dower would still do the trick, wouldn't it?

[AbuMubarak]

b&b

you can give someone a headache

change your name to twist -n- turn

or duck -n- dodge

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
b&b

you can give someone a headache

change your name to twist -n- turn

or duck -n- dodge

LOL! Now thats a poor excuse to bail out of a debate. Headache? I thought only women used that excuse. ;)

[AbuMubarak]

if i was married (is that what you guys call it) to you, i would use that excuse

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Now that is a great argument. How eloquent, conclusive and irrefutable. Mashallah. :eek: how true

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
if i was married (is that what you guys call it) to you, i would use that excuse

:D. I would want a refund! Or exchange! :D

[AbuMubarak]

you never did tell me why you twisted the meanings of the word istamta?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
you never did tell me why you twisted the meanings of the word istamta?

Crying out loud! I didn't twist it at all. It is the recognised verse that established 'muta' on the basis of which Islam permits its legitimacy. Along with the Prophet's approval of the practice as well and the precedent of the sahaba practising the institution during and after the life of the Prophet.

[AbuMubarak]

dont cry, you gonna give me a headache

so according to you, the prophet approved of it and never forbid it

so all of the "sunni" scholars have conspired to make you outto be a liar?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
dont cry, you gonna give me a headache

so according to you, the prophet approved of it and never forbid it

so all of the "sunni" scholars have conspired to make you outto be a liar?

No, we don't want you to have a headache. Someone will be disadvantaged.

Yes, the historical evidence attests that the Prophet allowed it and that the sahaba practised it.

Don't know about what the motives of the Sunni scholars are/were, but even they have admitted that it was Omar bin Khattab who prohibit and forbade the institution.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
bait, i think you are losing it

just going with alexandra for a change raafi... my way of avoiding headaches, you see.

[jamila]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Crying out loud! I didn't twist it at all. It is the recognised verse that established 'muta' on the basis of which Islam permits its legitimacy. Along with the Prophet's approval of the practice as well and the precedent of the sahaba practising the institution during and after the life of the Prophet.

Don't worry Raafi, he's beyond the square but stuck in the spiral of circular logic. Searching for the fourth, I think. LoL :p :D

Bait and Bite:

Can you have 4 mutuals (mut'as) at the same time? Or more? What about if you already have four wives. Is it permissable then? ;)

Jamila :)

[AbuMubarak]

what was she talking about? i am still confused

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by jamila
Don't worry Raafi, he's beyond the square but stuck in the spiral of circular logic. Searching for the fourth, I think. LoL :p :D

Bait and Bite:

Can you have 4 mutuals (mut'as) at the same time? Or more? What about if you already have four wives. Is it permissable then? ;)

Jamila :) jamilah, you may be on to something there

lets see, four wives, how many mutah's? at a week a piece, maybe renegotiate the gift

how about a nice dinner in a fancy restaurant? i wonder how long i can be mutah'd with that?

add a movie

maybe a limo?

how short can these mutah's be?

maybe we can have a tv show, like the dating game

call it the mutah game

[Bait and Bite]

there is no limit on the mutahs... you could contract a busload if you like...yes jamila, you can have a mutah even if you have four wives...

[AbuMubarak]

and in all seriousness, bait, you actually believe this is permissible in islam?

[Bait and Bite]

...and raafi...how short can a mutah be?...as short as you can handle...

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
...and raafi...how short can a mutah be?...as short as you can handle... and you wonder why some of us miss muawiyah?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
and in all seriousness, bait, you actually believe this is permissible in islam?

surprised me when i first found out...i quizzed the shia ulema, researched the subject...and yes, if omar bin khattab had not prohibitted it and removed all doubt that it was allowed during the time of the prophet, i would have probably still been investigating...but thabks to our friend, the khalifa, i believe mutah is as valid as it would first have been.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
and you wonder why some of us miss muawiyah?

lol...why were his mutahs really short? :D

[Labwatullaah]

"Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts." [22:46]

Enjoy your mutahs Bait, they are but temporary, just as your time upon this earth is. [And I remember last time this issue was brought up on CG - brother AbuDujanah asked the shia if he had a sister....I can tell him if you do] Wa'l-3iyaadhu billaah.

But Fear your Creator and what you will say to Him when He questions why you made the haram halal. No amount of word-twisting and game-playing will get you out of that one.

[Ruqayyah]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
there is no limit on the mutahs... you could contract a busload if you like...yes jamila, you can have a mutah even if you have four wives...
Do you do nikah with these women? And do they observe idaat?
If you did a nikah I would call it a bad thing but permissable because you would be Islamically her husband. The divorce the following day...hmmm....i would say allowed but a sin because you are not endorsing 'the family' institution and are just doing it to get your jollies. I wouldn't care how much i was paid, I want stability and a life time partner.
Anyway...with the above not so desirable practice...the limit would be four wives, and you would still be responsible for any children and her well being.
But you are saying a busload???? Alhamdulillah I love Islam. I see the reasons behind taking four wives and concubines...but a busload of women also??? I don't believe this is Islamic at all.

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Labwatullaah
"Truly it is not their eyes that are blind, but their hearts which are in their breasts." [22:46]

Enjoy your mutahs Bait, they are but temporary, just as your time upon this earth is. [And I remember last time this issue was brought up on CG - brother AbuDujanah asked the shia if he had a sister....I can tell him if you do] Wa'l-3iyaadhu billaah.

But Fear your Creator and what you will say to Him when He questions why you made the haram halal. No amount of word-twisting and game-playing will get you out of that one.
SubhanAllah really wonderfully said ukhti
Look at how he twisted the words and then didnt even read the evidence we all provided, from bukhari,muslim and even the Quran. We challanged him to refute it instead he came up with his own generalisations and conclusions.
May Allah guide us all
And Bait now u get it why we miss bro Muawiya and why we stand up for him when u start backbiting about him. AstagfurAllah a busload and as short as u can handle sounds disgusting ewww

[jamila]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
SubhanAllah really wonderfully said ukhti
Look at how he twisted the words and then didnt even read the evidence we all provided, from bukhari,muslim and even the Quran. We challanged him to refute it instead he came up with his own generalisations and conclusions.
May Allah guide us all
And Bait now u get it why we miss bro Muawiya and why we stand up for him when u start backbiting about him. AstagfurAllah a busload and as short as u can handle sounds disgusting ewww

Absolutely! Your mut'ah victims don't appear to be any kind of "wife", despite translating the term as "temporary wife".

Is it just an excuse to justify (ilicit) prostitution? :mad:

Jamila :)

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by rukaya
Do you do nikah with these women? And do they observe idaat?
If you did a nikah I would call it a bad thing but permissable because you would be Islamically her husband. The divorce the following day...hmmm....i would say allowed but a sin because you are not endorsing 'the family' institution and are just doing it to get your jollies. I wouldn't care how much i was paid, I want stability and a life time partner.
Anyway...with the above not so desirable practice...the limit would be four wives, and you would still be responsible for any children and her well being.
But you are saying a busload???? Alhamdulillah I love Islam. I see the reasons behind taking four wives and concubines...but a busload of women also??? I don't believe this is Islamic at all.

Mutah is governed by stringent rules just as Nikah is. To begin with it is allowed only with either Muslim or Ahl al Kitab women, who are single and who are old enough to make the decision whether or not to enter into such a 'temporary marriage'.

Yes, after the marriage period expires, they have to observe an iddah of two menstural cycles rather than three as in the case of a divorce after Nikah.

The fact that mutah is permitted does not make it obligatory on me to allow or force my or anybody's sister into such an arrangement just as while nikah is permitted, mine or your sister does not have to marry just anyone who proposes to her.

Ofcourse the institution can probably be misused just as nikah and Islamic polygamy can be misused. That does not make nikah or polygamy haram either, does it?

The issue here is:

Was Mutah ever permitted by the Prophet and the Quran and was it ever prohibitted after?

The fact that it was allowed is beyond doubt. That it was prohibitted is controversial and scandalous. The Quranic verse that allows it is still a valid verse in the Quran. No concrete evidence of the Prophet prohibitting it is found conclusively in the Sunnah except an odd hadith in one of the ahadith books considered authentic by a section of Muslims, while others of the same sect including Imam Malik bin Anas, dispute it.

My school of thought permits the institution and alleges with documented historical evidence that it was Omar bin Khattab and not Muhammad al Mustafa, the Prophet, peace be upon him and his pure family, who prohibitted the institution.

So, I deem it valid just as nikah and have absolutely no guilt in practising it responsibly if necessary as and when I please and when possible, just as I would practise nikah.

And I am glad and thankful to the Almighty for having given me the taufiq to understand which set of Imams to take my Islam from. I wish you are blessed with the same understanding.

Ma salama. Fi amanillah. Khudahafez. Adios.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by jamila
Absolutely! Your mut'ah victims don't appear to be any kind of "wife", despite translating the term as "temporary wife".

Is it just an excuse to justify (ilicit) prostitution? :mad:

Jamila :)

For a second if we accept that mutah is illicit prostitution notwithstanding any other argument in favour or against, we have to major problems:

1. That the Prophet himself allowed the practice (for a major part of his life, presuming for a moment that he forbade it during the conquest of Khaibar- which he did not anyway) and hence permitted as you say, (na audibillah) the 'illicit prostitution' of Muslim women

2. That the Quran has a verse in Sura Nisa which still clearly allows what you and the Salafis might call 'illicit prostitution'!

Now, how would you explain that?

[jamila]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
For a second if we accept that mutah is illicit prostitution notwithstanding any other argument in favour or against, we have to major problems:

1. That the Prophet himself allowed the practice (for a major part of his life, presuming for a moment that he forbade it during the conquest of Khaibar- which he did not anyway) and hence permitted as you say, (na audibillah) the 'illicit prostitution' of Muslim women

2. That the Quran has a verse in Sura Nisa which still clearly allows what you and the Salafis might call 'illicit prostitution'!

Now, how would you explain that?

1. Specious argument. How come wine is considere to be of 'some benefit, but more harm, and that the 'harm outweighs any benefit'. Why were Muslims allowed to drink as long as they were not under the influence at prayer time in the early days ?

2. don't have an answer (yet).

wassalam

[AbuMubarak]

ducking and dodging

flappin and yappin

shakin and sweatin

slippin and slidin

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by jamila
1. Specious argument. How come wine is considere to be of 'some benefit, but more harm, and that the 'harm outweighs any benefit'. Why were Muslims allowed to drink as long as they were not under the influence at prayer time in the early days ?

2. don't have an answer (yet).

wassalam

Knew you would come back with the drinking problem! ;)Intoxicants were prohibitted by a revelation recorded in the Quran. Mutah is permitted by a revelation recorded in the Quran.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Raafi
ducking and dodging

flappin and yappin

shakin and sweatin

slippin and slidin

Am not. Addressing it squarely and saying it the way it is.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by oneshot
Well, you folks can duke it out all you want to over this. The only thing I have to say is it is bloody well degrading to the institution of marriage for anyone to enter into a holy marriage contract with the full intent of voiding the contract a short time later, legal or not. Absolutely degrading.

PS - It reminds me of how Catholics can buy an indulgence from the Bishop.

Coming from a Catholic background, I'll excuse your sentiment this time Oneshot!

Lesson #1 in Islam is to follow it the way Islam was established by the Prophet, not the way it is perceived by us.

[Bait and Bite]

The Prophet emphasised marriage as a permament union between believing hetrosexuals as his sunnah or practice. He highly discouraged divorce, but allowed it in cases of extreme necessity.

Mutah is a temporary union that was practised before and during his lifetime. Allowing mutah with all its regulations streamlined the institution just as allowing polygamy with Islamic regulations did.

Just as polygamy is allowed but not obligatory, mutah is allowed but is not obligatory upon Muslims to indulge in.

Just as polygamy is available as a facility, mutah is as well.
The merits and demerits of polygamy have been debated. So can the merits and demerits of mutah be.

Both institutions have been designed to accommodate the natural legitimate needs of us biological beings trapped in harmone infested biodegradable bodies. Islam recognises and addresses those needs squarely and boldly and has provided for legit avenues to satisfy the compulsive biological and social demands on the fragile body and soul!

[Ruqayyah]

B&B..lemme ask you
Why? Why would we need BOTH practices.
How does Mutah benefit society?
I can see why polygny is of benefit is some situations.
But Mutah?
Who (need I ask? :rolleyes: ) does it benefit, and how is it in anyway spiritual or beneficial in our lives?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by oneshot
Well, Strat, maybe you could add to my education here. My perception was that you could not forbid that which is legal. Far from that, I am simply taking the position that I would advise anyone seeking my opinion against it (albeit rather strongly!).

Peace my friend,

Oneshot

Well, this is a rather sensitive and difficult subject to be dabbling with on debut Oneshot. Interesting though. Lots of research there for you Oneshot. Lets get working. :)

Peace.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by rukaya
B&B..lemme ask you
Why? Why would we need BOTH practices.
How does Mutah benefit society?
I can see why polygny is of benefit is some situations.
But Mutah?
Who (need I ask? :rolleyes: ) does it benefit, and how is it in anyway spiritual or beneficial in our lives?

Ruks,

It helps one form a relationship for a transient period of time when constraints restrict the realisation of a more permanent union. Usually the practise was used by sahaba during their expeditions away from home, travel etc.

It can be used as an experimental marriage with the consent of both parties. The great benefit is that at the outset both know that the union is NOT permanent and NONE is felt used or dumped. However, there is nothing stopping them from extending, renewing or making permanent this temporary union.

Opponents of mutah have likened it to prostitution. Nothing is further from truth. The woman has to undergo iddah after the mutah marriage before she can marry another. So, prostitution is NOT possible. Besides, the other conditions are many. If interested just check out the rules governing the mutah marriage from any of the several Shia Mujtahids/Marjas.

Links provided upon request.

[Ruqayyah]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Ruks,

It helps one form a relationship for a transient period of time when constraints restrict the realisation of a more permanent union. Usually the practise was used by sahaba during their expeditions away from home, travel etc.

It can be used as an experimental marriage with the consent of both parties. The great benefit is that at the outset both know that the union is NOT permanent and NONE is felt used or dumped. However, there is nothing stopping them from extending, renewing or making permanent this temporary union.

Opponents of mutah have likened it to prostitution. Nothing is further from truth. The woman has to undergo iddah after the mutah marriage before she can marry another. So, prostitution is NOT possible. Besides, the other conditions are many. If interested just check out the rules governing the mutah marriage from any of the several Shia Mujtahids/Marjas.

Links provided upon request.

I've seen material 'for' mutah... I'm not convinced...but if it makes you happy you can post more in Islamic Issues.
As far as I understood the Sahaba were permitted to sleep with their concubines when away, who ultimately they were responsible for. Some had asked the Prophet if they may be castrated to save themselves from zina! SunhanAllah their fear of adultery was so strong.
You still haven't answered my question CLEARLY.
How does this practice benefit the SOUL?
How does it benefit anything but your need for a quickie?
Surely the spiritual and pious choice would be to fast until you return to your wife?
If you have four wives at home, you cannot extend the union without divorcing another, so you often know this is nothing more than a contract between two consenting adults, money exchanged, for sex.
The woman does her idaat and you are free to wink at and beckon another Muslimah that takes your fancy the following night. And then that woman goes home, in isolation for three monthly cycles hoping she is not pregnant, and unable to go into a meaningful stable marriage for sometime.
I do not see morality, or spirituality in any of that!

[jamila]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Yeah? How about you read this:

Sura al Nisa:

Transliteration:
4:24 wa al muh.s.anaat min an nisaa' 'illaa maa malakat aymaankum kitaab 'allaah alaykum wa uh.illa lakum maa waraa'a zaalikum 'an tabtaghu bi amwaalkum muh.s.iniin ghayr musaafih.iin fa maa istamta tum bihi minhunna fa 'aatuhunna 'ujurhunna fared.ah wa laa junaah. Alaykum fe maa taraad.aytum bihi min ba di al fared.ah 'inna 'allaah kaana aliim(an) h.akiim(an).

English (Yusuf Ali):
4:24 Also (prohibited are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess: Thus hath Allah ordained (Prohibitions) against you: Except for these, all others are lawful, provided ye seek (them in marriage) with gifts from your property,- desiring chastity, not lust, seeing that ye derive benefit from them, give them their dowers (at least) as prescribed; but if, after a dower is prescribed, agree Mutually (to vary it), there is no blame on you, and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
________________________________________________

This is where muta derived its validity in Islam in the first place and so it remains till the Day of Judgement. It is allowed by the Quran, was not repealed by the Prophet and is valid now as it was before and will remain so forever!

Wa lmuhsanaatu [And the wedded] min annisaaa'i [from the women] 'illa [except] ma [who] malakat [possesses] 'aymaanukum [your right (hands)]. Kitaba [a {book}decree] allaahi [of Allah] 'alaykum [(binding) upon you].

[FORBIDDEN ARE [from verse 23'] (also) married women, except whom your right hand possesses. The book of Allah is on you (Allah ordains this for you).

wa 'uhilla [and I have made lawful] lakum [for you] ma [whom] waraaa'a [(are) beyond] zaalikum [these] 'an [that] tabtaghoo [you seek (them)] bi'amwaalikum muhsineena [desiring chastity] ghayra [not] musaafiheen [desiring debauchery].

And I have made lawful for you who are other than these (forbidden categories of women for marriage in the preceding verses) that you seek them by your wealth, desiring chastity (and) NOT debauchery.

Fama [for what] [b]stamta'tum [you benefit] (ÇÓÊãÊÚÊã)[verb, meaning 'obtain'(good/pleasure)] bihee [by it] min hunna [from them] fa'aatoohunna [give them] 'ujoorahunna [their (bridal) payment] fareedah [(as an)obligatory (duty)].

For what you benefit by it from them (marriage to those legal women), give them the obligatory bride payment.

NOTE: the word is amta'tum, NOT al mut'ah, though both are derived from the same root (pleasure/delight). Alif, mim, ta, ain, mim NOT Alif, lam, mim, ta, ain, ha (dotted) (which doesn't mean "marriage", but "delight/a treat", anyway).

Wa laa [and no] junaaha [sin (is)] 'alaykum [on you] feemaa [in what]taraadaytum [you agree on] bihee [by it] mimba'dil [after] fareedah [(its) obligation (is paid)] . inn [indeed] allaaha [Allah] kaana [is]'aleeman [Knowing] hakeemaa [Wise].

And no sin is on you in what you agree on (extra) by it (the marriage) after (paying)the obligatory (payment).

And I have made lawful for you who are other than these (forbidden categories of women for marriage in the preceding verses) that you seek them by your wealth, desiring chastity (and) NOT debauchery.
For what you benefit by it from them (marriage to those legal women), give them the obligatory bride payment.
And no sin is on you in what you agree on (extra) by it (the marriage) after (paying)the obligatory (payment):

Translation derived from "Study The Noble Qur'an Word for Word"
Transliteration from "The Noble Qur'an in Roman Script"
Dictionary used to check "muta'h" and "amta'tum": "Al Mawrid Al Waseet, a Concise Arabic-English Dictionary"

I think this is about marriage, not renting a prostitute for a month.

Jamila :)

[AbuMubarak]

what happens to these women of mutah?

do you deflower a virgin, make her a mutah wife, then she goes on her business?

and after you are finished with her, what happens to her?

does she find another mutah? is she suitable for marriage?

how many of the companions or ahli-bayt practiced this after the prophet forbid it?

again, what happens to the woman who was into mutah, 3, 4, 10 times?

this is not of this deen, and it was permissible at one time, and then it was forbidden, lets leave it at that

[Atiyah]

I understand you are talking about mutah marraiges, but how about addressing the marriages that only last for a week or say three months or say only a year what are these called.

Are these mutah marriages. They are just as temporary. No there isn't a time limit given, but certaintly no effort is put into the relationships to make them last.

No we don't call them mutah, but we practice it all the same. The title isn't being used, but for a assurity the commitment level is the same. " No commitment, no strings attached"

[HAMZAA]

Originally posted by AbuMubarak
what happens to these women of mutah?

do you deflower a virgin, make her a mutah wife, then she goes on her business?

and after you are finished with her, what happens to her?

does she find another mutah? is she suitable for marriage?

how many of the companions or ahli-bayt practiced this after the prophet forbid it?

again, what happens to the woman who was into mutah, 3, 4, 10 times?

this is not of this deen, and it was permissible at one time, and then it was forbidden, lets leave it at that

salaamun alaikom
can i answer this with hadith&history(including sahee)?
w s

[HAMZAA]

salaamun alaikom


You still haven't answered my question CLEARLY.
How does this practice benefit the SOUL?

As far as I understood the Sahaba were permitted to sleep with their concubines when away, who ultimately they were responsible for. Some had asked the Prophet if they may be castrated to save themselves from zina! SunhanAllah their fear of adultery was so strong.

sis you pretty much answerd your own Q.
w s

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Umm Iyana
I understand you are talking about mutah marraiges, but how about addressing the marriages that only last for a week or say three months or say only a year what are these called.

Are these mutah marriages. They are just as temporary. No there isn't a time limit given, but certaintly no effort is put into the relationships to make them last.

No we don't call them mutah, but we practice it all the same. The title isn't being used, but for a assurity the commitment level is the same. " No commitment, no strings attached"
Assalamulaikom
Those are not pre planned that they are going to last for a week. When someone is getting married no one wishes that it would last for a week only. Everyone or me atleast would like it to be a forever thing. Everyone tries to make it work, u certainly cant say that no effort was made into making it work. Divorce is a very big thing,very disliked by Allah(swt), certainly there must be a big reason also if two ppl decide to not to live with each other anymore and they must have tried first into making it work. Afcourse there is a commitment level, when ur getting married, ur told that its atleast ur gonna try making it forever, and that u are going to make a commitment for once and for all.
But muta on the other hand is pre planned,how much effort is put into making that work?one week if its for a week only?. I dont see the way islam respects a women,honours her, how such a thing as mutah can be allowed. I dont see how a women can benefit from such a thing, where is all the equality now then?,I see only men benefitting from it. Polygamy I understand how a women can benefit from it, mutah cant understand how someone would be willing to agree for it in the first place

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by jamila
Wa lmuhsanaatu [And the wedded] min annisaaa'i [from the women] 'illa [except] ma [who] malakat [possesses] 'aymaanukum [your right (hands)]. Kitaba [a {book}decree] allaahi [of Allah] 'alaykum [(binding) upon you].

[FORBIDDEN ARE [from verse 23'] (also) married women, except whom your right hand possesses. The book of Allah is on you (Allah ordains this for you).

wa 'uhilla [and I have made lawful] lakum [for you] ma [whom] waraaa'a [(are) beyond] zaalikum [these] 'an [that] tabtaghoo [you seek (them)] bi'amwaalikum [by your wealth] muhsineena [desiring chastity] ghayra [not] musaafiheen [desiring debauchery].

And I have made lawful for you who are other than these (forbidden categories of women for marriage in the preceding verses) that you seek them by your wealth, desiring chastity (and) NOT debauchery.

Fama [for what] [b]stamta'tum [you benefit] (ÇÓÊãÊÚÊã)[verb, meaning 'obtain'(good/pleasure)] bihee min hunna [from them] fa'aatoohunna [give them] 'ujoorahunna [their (bridal) payment] fareedah [(as an)obligatory (duty)].

For what you benefit by it from them (marriage to those legal women), give them the obligatory bride payment.

NOTE: the word is amta'tum, NOT al mut'ah, though both are derived from the same root (pleasure/delight). Alif, mim, ta, ain, mim NOT Alif, lam, mim, ta, ain, ha (dotted) (which doesn't mean "marriage", but "delight/a treat", anyway).

Wa laa [and no] junaaha [sin (is)] 'alaykum [on you] feemaa [in what]taraadaytum [you agree on] bihee [by it] mimba'dil [after] fareedah [(its) obligation (is paid)] . inn [indeed] allaaha [Allah] kaana [is]'aleeman [Knowing] hakeemaa [Wise].

And no sin is on you in what you agree on (extra) by it (the marriage) after (paying)the obligatory (payment).

And I have made lawful for you who are other than these (forbidden categories of women for marriage in the preceding verses) that you seek them by your wealth, desiring chastity (and) NOT debauchery.
For what you benefit by it from them (marriage to those legal women), give them the obligatory bride payment.
And no sin is on you in what you agree on (extra) by it (the marriage) after (paying)the obligatory (payment):

Translation derived from "Study The Noble Qur'an Word for Word"
Transliteration from "The Noble Qur'an in Roman Script"
Dictionary used to check "muta'h" and "amta'tum": "Al Mawrid Al Waseet, a Concise Arabic-English Dictionary"

I think this is about marriage, not renting a prostitute for a month.

Jamila :)
Assalamulaikom ukhti subhanAllah :)
I certainly learn a lot from ur posts, ur the best mwaah
;)
JazakAlllah:) :cool:

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by AbuMubarak
what happens to these women of mutah?

do you deflower a virgin, make her a mutah wife, then she goes on her business?

and after you are finished with her, what happens to her?

does she find another mutah? is she suitable for marriage?

how many of the companions or ahli-bayt practiced this after the prophet forbid it?

again, what happens to the woman who was into mutah, 3, 4, 10 times?

this is not of this deen, and it was permissible at one time, and then it was forbidden, lets leave it at that

Mutah with a virgin is discouraged. Abu Mubarak, the idea of a discussion forum is to debate disagreements with mutual respect on the basis of information and reason, in an attempt to uncover the truth.

To shy away from discussions with dismissive fiats is not Islam either. No offence intended. But let intellectual discussions prevail.

Regards. Ma salama.

[AbuMubarak]

21. And he [Shaitân (Satan)] swore by Allâh to them both (saying): "Verily, I am one of the sincere well_wishers for you both."

22. So he misled them with deception

[Bait and Bite]

AGREED

Now, I dare you not to edit this. Regards.

[Qurratulain]

Evidence from the Quran and sunnah is provided but the deaf and dumb whose hearts are sealed never learn.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
Evidence from the Quran and sunnah is provided but the deaf and dumb whose hearts are sealed never learn.

Cannot agree more, yet again! Evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah, based on whose interpretation?

I'll gladly take that of the House of the Prophet, the Imams of his AhlulBayt, the School of Thought that derives its Islam from these Imams, not those who destroy the graves of dead Muslims and consider showing any respect to the Prophet as biddah, or those who interpret the Quran on the basis of qiyas- speculation.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by rukaya
I've seen material 'for' mutah... I'm not convinced...but if it makes you happy you can post more in Islamic Issues.


Not convinced? Good on you. You shouldn't be until you have asked all questions your conscience prompts. Not just on the issue of mutah however. On more important issues like Khalifat and Imamat rather.

Anyway in the meantime, lets talk about mutah.

As far as I understood the Sahaba were permitted to sleep with their concubines when away, who ultimately they were responsible for. Some had asked the Prophet if they may be castrated to save themselves from zina! SunhanAllah their fear of adultery was so strong.

The Sahaba feared zina. Yes, rightly so. So should you and me. And every Muslim. Hence the talk of nikah and mutah. Oherwise who cares? As long as no one's watching.





You still haven't answered my question CLEARLY.
How does this practice benefit the SOUL?



The benefit to the soul is in satisfying your natural urges in a halal way rather than haram!

Whether it is a craving for food, for a livelihood or for a woman, Islam has shown the right way and the wrong. Nikah and mutah are the legit ways of marrying hetrosexually.

The soul benefits in the knowledge that one has acted for the Pleasure of God rather than that of the Satan.


How does it benefit anything but your need for a quickie?


A quickie? Not necessarily. You can contract a mutah marriage for a hundred years with someone with the condition that you will NOT have sex, should the parties so desire. Its NOT just about sex. Its about halal and haram. About marriage and zina.


Surely the spiritual and pious choice would be to fast until you return to your wife?

Possiby yes. Islam however does not wish hardship upon its followers. Depends upon how long the man is away from home. How long he can continue to fast without begining to falter. The avenue of mutah saves him from haram sexual gratification acts.



If you have four wives at home, you cannot extend the union without divorcing another, so you often know this is nothing more than a contract between two consenting adults, money exchanged, for sex.

Mutah wife is not counted as one of the four nikah wives. Yes, inspite of four wives at home, one can have additional mutah wives, if necessary.

Money exchanged for sex? Women can marry men permanently for money. Now thats worse isn't it?

Anyway, the dower in mutah is not necessarily money. It can be an action or something in kind, other than money. It has to be a halal exchange though.


The woman does her idaat and you are free to wink at and beckon another Muslimah that takes your fancy the following night. And then that woman goes home, in isolation for three monthly cycles hoping she is not pregnant, and unable to go into a meaningful stable marriage for sometime.

Either a Muslimah or a woman from the Ahl al Kitab. The woman makes her own choice whether or not to enter into such a contract, just as she makes her choice when she enters into or refuses a nikah contract. Like the man, the woman is responsible for her decisions. You talk as if someone had forced the woman into the mutah against her will.

Any issues from the mutah are the responsibility of the father anyway.


I do not see morality, or spirituality in any of that!

Keep trying. No easy task to dismiss bias!

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
Assalamulaikom
Those are not pre planned that they are going to last for a week. When someone is getting married no one wishes that it would last for a week only. Everyone or me atleast would like it to be a forever thing. Everyone tries to make it work, u certainly cant say that no effort was made into making it work. Divorce is a very big thing,very disliked by Allah(swt), certainly there must be a big reason also if two ppl decide to not to live with each other anymore and they must have tried first into making it work. Afcourse there is a commitment level, when ur getting married, ur told that its atleast ur gonna try making it forever, and that u are going to make a commitment for once and for all.
But muta on the other hand is pre planned,how much effort is put into making that work?one week if its for a week only?. I dont see the way islam respects a women,honours her, how such a thing as mutah can be allowed. I dont see how a women can benefit from such a thing, where is all the equality now then?,I see only men benefitting from it. Polygamy I understand how a women can benefit from it, mutah cant understand how someone would be willing to agree for it in the first place

The answer is simple. Don't like it, don't go near it. But don't call what Allah made halal as haram because it does not make sense to you.

If everyone understood the reasoning and beauty of Allah's(swt) Laws for humankind just like that, wouldn't everyone be a raving Muslim?

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Cannot agree more, yet again! Evidence from the Quran and the Sunnah, based on whose interpretation?

I'll gladly take that of the House of the Prophet, the Imams of his AhlulBayt, the School of Thought that derives its Islam from these Imams, not those who destroy the graves of dead Muslims and consider showing any respect to the Prophet as biddah, or those who interpret the Quran on the basis of qiyas- speculation.
Based on the Quran and hadith even ur first imam himself said that muta aint allowed. Follow Allah(swt) and his prophet(saw). Intrepretation provided by the best generation ,those whom stick to the Quran and sunnah,the school of thought that derives its islam from there, not those with innovations and various bidah.

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
The answer is simple. Don't like it, don't go near it. But don't call what Allah made halal as haram because it does not make sense to you.

If everyone understood the reasoning and beauty of Allah's(swt) Laws for humankind just like that, wouldn't everyone be a raving Muslim?
AstagfurAllah I never would dare making something halal ,haram just coz it didnt make sense to me,but also I would not be doing something haram just coz it seems halal to me. I have seen enough evidence and simple logic and using brains is enough to prove to me that it is wrong point out.
There is a reason for everything and Allah tells us to think about it and search for answers for it. And those answers are there,u just gotta have the brains to see it.......
bye and Allah hi Hafiz

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
Based on the Quran and hadith even ur first imam himself said that muta aint allowed. Follow Allah(swt) and his prophet(saw). Intrepretation provided by the best generation ,those whom stick to the Quran and sunnah,the school of thought that derives its islam from there, not those with innovations and various bidah.

Imam Ali ibne Abu Talib has been quoted in that book devaluing himself as an "ordinary man", far below the status of Abu Bakr, Omar bin Khattab and Uthman bin Affan!

Now, if Ali was quoted as saying that, how seriously can I take his quote on mutah in the so called 'Sahih al Bukhari', one of the most ridiculously biased books I have read in all time.

No disrespect intended. But please don't start me on that.
The Best Generation? No, we do not accept any generation to be better than any other on the basis of what era they lived in. Say that to some Stone Age caveman.

[Qurratulain]

Originally posted by Bait and Bite
Imam Ali ibne Abu Talib has been quoted in that book devaluing himself as an "ordinary man", far below the status of Abu Bakr, Omar bin Khattab and Uthman bin Affan!

Now, if Ali was quoted as saying that, how seriously can I take his quote on mutah in the so called 'Sahih al Bukhari', one of the most ridiculously biased books I have read in all time.

No disrespect intended. But please don't start me on that.
The Best Generation? No, we do not accept any generation to be better than any other on the basis of what era they lived in. Say that to some Stone Age caveman.
bait ur saying sahih al bukhari is a ridiculous book?
Allright I will let the mods deal with u ,someone who has no shame, rants about his personal muta experiences and later edits it, is not worth my time and effort
May Allah guide u :mad: :mad: :mad:'
Aint there any mod in here right now?

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
bait ur saying sahih al bukhari is a ridiculous book?
Allright I will let the mods deal with u ,ur not worth my time and effort, really messed up dude u are
May Allah guide u :mad: :mad: :mad:

Sahil al Bukhari is NOT the Quran. It is the collection of ahadith from sources hostile to the AhlulBayt and has ahadith which clearly and explicitly advertise the bias against the AhlulBayt.

Bukhari was no Prophet. His 'sahih' or anyone else's makes no sense to me or my School of Thought unless the hadith can withstand scrutiny against the Quran.

The Best Generation? Do you in the 21st century believe that Allah(swt) is so biased and unfair as to deprive other generations of an equal oppurtunity to prove themselves? Islamic equality as exemplified in the Quran does not approve of the Best Generation theory.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Qurratulain
bait ur saying sahih al bukhari is a ridiculous book?
Allright I will let the mods deal with u ,someone who has no shame, rants about his personal muta experiences and later edits it, is not worth my time and effort
May Allah guide u :mad: :mad: :mad:'
Aint there any mod in here right now?

What did I edit Qurratulain? Perhaps you can enlighten.

[AbuMubarak]

DUCK AND DODGE

you still havent told us who of the companions of the prophet practiced this mutah stuff after the prophet forbid it

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by AbuMubarak
DUCK AND DODGE

you still havent told us who of the companions of the prophet practiced this mutah stuff after the prophet forbid it

Sure will ya Abu. After the supposed prohibition at the Conquest of Khaibar you mean...(at the hands of Ali by the way- Karrarin Ghair a Farrarin, remember? ;))... ...just looking it up...here it is:

Evidence of Mutah being practised by the Sahaba after the passing away of the Prophet


Muslim in his Sahih, part I, in the chapter of Nikatu'l-Mut'a, says "Hasan Halwa'i reported to us that he was told by Abdu'r-Razzaq, who was informed by Ibn Jarih, who was told by 'Ata that Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari came to Mecca for the Umra and they went to him at his residence. People asked him many questions.

When they came to the question of mut'a he said,

'Yes, we used to practice mut'a during the time of the Holy Prophet and during the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar.'"

Also in the same book in part I, in the chapter of al-Mut'a Bi'l-Hajj wa'l-Umra, it is narrated on the authority of Abu Nazara that he said: "I was in the company of Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari when a man came and said, 'There is a difference of opinion between Ibn Abbas and Ibn Zubair concerning the two mut'as, Mut'atu'n-Nisa and Mut'atu'l-Hajj.'

Then Jabir said, 'We have performed both of these during the time of the Holy Prophet. Thereafter, when Umar forbade it, we could not do it.'"

[Bait and Bite]

Evidence of Mutah being practised by the Sahaba after the passing away of the Prophet....


Muslim in his Sahih, part I, in the chapter of Nikatu'l-Mut'a, says "Hasan Halwa'i reported to us that he was told by Abdu'r-Razzaq, who was informed by Ibn Jarih, who was told by 'Ata that Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari came to Mecca for the Umra and they went to him at his residence. People asked him many questions.

When they came to the question of mut'a he said,

'Yes, we used to practice mut'a during the time of the Holy Prophet and during the caliphate of Abu Bakr and Umar.'"

Also in the same book in part I, in the chapter of al-Mut'a Bi'l-Hajj wa'l-Umra, it is narrated on the authority of Abu Nazara that he said: "I was in the company of Jabir Ibn Abdullah Ansari when a man came and said, 'There is a difference of opinion between Ibn Abbas and Ibn Zubair concerning the two mut'as, Mut'atu'n-Nisa and Mut'atu'l-Hajj.'

Then Jabir said, 'We have performed both of these during the time of the Holy Prophet. Thereafter, when Umar forbade it, we could not do it.'"

[Bait and Bite]

Abu Isa Muhammad Bin Sawratu't-Tirmidhi in his Sunan, which is regarded as one of the six Sahih by the Sunni, Imam Ahmad Bin Hanbal in his Musnad, PART II, p.95, and Ibn Athir in his Jam'u'l-Usul have reported that a Syrian man asked

Abdullah Bin Umar Bin Khattab what he considered about Mut'a-e-Nisa.

He said: "Of course, it is lawful."

The man said again, "But your father, the caliph, forbade the people to do it."

He said, "It was ordered by the Holy Prophet; so if it has been prohibited by my father that order cannot supersede the order of the Holy Prophet. I am the follower of the Holy Prophet's order."
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More documentary evidence that muta was NOT prohibitted by the Prophet ever!

[Ammarah]

Originally posted by Umm Iyana
I understand you are talking about mutah marraiges, but how about addressing the marriages that only last for a week or say three months or say only a year what are these called.

Are these mutah marriages. They are just as temporary. No there isn't a time limit given, but certaintly no effort is put into the relationships to make them last.

No we don't call them mutah, but we practice it all the same. The title isn't being used, but for a assurity the commitment level is the same. " No commitment, no strings attached"


Sis I appreciate what you are saying, but a pre-planned mutah contract, and a marriage contract is different.
In the majority of cases, couples do go into marriage with the intention of making it work. Situations can occur where one or both paries give in way too soon, some try their hardest to make it work and it simply doesn't happen. But nikah has been read, alhamdulillah, and talaq is a halal though the least prefered option. This is Islam.If one or both parties have no intention of making a go of it in the first place of course it would be a sin.

What I personally believe is that mutah entails two individuals coming together without nikah, and not planning on any long term commitment whatsoever. And there are people who say this is Islam.

Sis Ammarah

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Ammarah


... ... ... What I personally believe is that mutah entails two individuals coming together without nikah, and not planning on any long term commitment whatsoever.

And there are people who say this is Islam.

Sis Ammarah


Nay, the Prophet, peace be upon him and his august family, and the impeccable Quran- the Word of God- say so.

[Labwatullaah]

Do not lie on Allah and His Rasool. Woe be to you Bait and Bite! Wal 3iyaadhu billaah!

[Labwatullaah]

ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã: ãä ßÐÈ Úáíø ãÊÚãÏÇ ÝáíÊÈæà ãÞÚÏå ãä ÇáäÇÑ!

The Prophet (saw) said: "Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his place in hellfire!"

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Labwatullaah
Do not lie on Allah and His Rasool. Woe be to you Bait and Bite! Wal 3iyaadhu billaah!

No, I am not the one who is lying Labwatullah. Lets settle this the following way:

"May woe be on those who change the religion of Allah and the Prophet and those who approve of and support such changes -whosoever they are and whatsoever the changes are- from amongst the people of the past, the present and the future."

I say Amen. You do the same. Our differences are settled.

Peace.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Labwatullaah
ÞÇá ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÓáã: ãä ßÐÈ Úáíø ãÊÚãÏÇ ÝáíÊÈæà ãÞÚÏå ãä ÇáäÇÑ!

The Prophet (saw) said: "Whoever lies upon me intentionally, then let him take his place in hellfire!"


Amen. Indeed. Thats exactly what we have been saying for centuries! :)

Peace.

[Labwatullaah]

Ameen, thumma Ameen, thumma Ameen.

[Bait and Bite]

Originally posted by Labwatullaah
Ameen, thumma Ameen, thumma Ameen.

Now let peace and intellect prevail. To Hell with unintelligent fairy tales and inherited bias.

[AbuMubarak]

Originally posted by Umm Iyana
I understand you are talking about mutah marraiges, but how about addressing the marriages that only last for a week or say three months or say only a year what are these called.

Are these mutah marriages. They are just as temporary. No there isn't a time limit given, but certaintly no effort is put into the relationships to make them last.

No we don't call them mutah, but we practice it all the same. The title isn't being used, but for a assurity the commitment level is the same. " No commitment, no strings attached" any muslim who engages into a marriage without the intention of staying has strayed away from the meaning of marriage, a scoundrel, indeed

this is as qurratulain said, its one thing to try and fail, its another thing entering into a temporary arrangement

i would rather be married ten times and fail, then to engage on one mutah

[HAMZAA]

any muslim who engages into a marriage without the intention of staying has strayed away from the meaning of marriage, a scoundrel, indeed

salaam
im sitting here amazed at how you can call "a scoundrel" men/mujahedin(RA) you profess love for!
you dont agree with it then fine thats your prob but you have been given proof that it was made halal! you dont have to agree but dont insult those who are better than both of us brother.
w s

[baba]

Strat, sounds like you're really desperate for some mut'ah. You ought to have a warning label on your back :D

[sasjamal]

I havent read this thread, nor do I want too, but I wanna say Alee Ibn Abi Talib was right For Having the Sheeah burned Alive, I wish he had killed them all.

[mr epistemology]

salaam alaykum

why is this going on?? i thought shia - sunni debates were banned.

strat you have said some incorrect things. some people have ganged up on you. these are the same people who kept saying that we believe Ali (ra) was a prophet. i dont believe it makes a difference what we say.

anway i will join the debate if anyone is ready to accept the truth when they see it. i am open minded.

just a few points:

1, the hadiths in sunni texts are contradictory
2, some of the ones accepted by both schools are mutawatir.
3, look at quran tafsir by the great sunni scholars.
4, remember misyar by sunni scholars? or the fatwa of bin baaz on marriage with the intention of divorce.

and most importantly

5, muta is misunderstood by most shia. the rules are much stricter than many think. including you strat from what i have read.

[mr epistemology]

can the moderators please close this thread because i dont think its good for a forum where the members will abuse each other and have made up their minds about each other's group.

if anyone wants to debate with shia go to shiachat.com most of the knowledgeable shia there have stopped posting but there are still some people who would discuss. if the admin does not like me advertising another site on this board then i will remove it.

just to leave you with the book of nikah from sahih of imam muslim: the section on mutah. also check other books and make up your own mind.

http://www.muslimaccess.com/sunnah/hadeeth/muslim/008.html

Book 008, Number 3243:

Abdullah (b. Mas'ud) reported: We were on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and we had no women with us. We said: Should we not have ourselves castrated? He (the Holy Prophet) forbade us to do so He then granted us permission that we should contract temporary marriage for a stipulated period giving her a garment, and 'Abdullah then recited this verse: 'Those who believe do not make unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, and do not transgress. Allah does not like trangressers" (al-Qur'an, v. 87).


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Book 008, Number 3244:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Jarir with the same chain of transmitters and he also recited this (above-mentioned verse) to us, but he did not say that 'Abdullah recited it.


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Book 008, Number 3245:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Isma'il with the same chain of transmitters (and the words are):" We were young, so we said: Allah's Messenger, should we not have ourselves castrated? But he (the narrator) did not say; We were on an expedition."


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Book 008, Number 3246:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah and Salama b. al-Akwa' said: There came to us the proclaimer of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) has granted you permission to benefit yourselves, i. e. to contract temporary marriage with women.


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Book 008, Number 3247:
Salama b. al. Akwa' and Jabir b. Abdullah reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) came to us and permitted us to contract temporary marriage.


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Book 008, Number 3248:
Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that jibir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of theHoly Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the tinie of Abi! Bakr and 'Umar.


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Book 008, Number 3249:
Jabir b. 'Abdullah reported: We contracted temporary marriage giving a handful of (tales or flour as a dower during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and durnig the time of Abu Bakr until 'Umar forbade it in the case of 'Amr b. Huraith.


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Book 008, Number 3250:
Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'as (Tamattu' of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu' with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.


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Book 008, Number 3251:
Iyas b. Salama reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) gave sanction for contracting temporary marriage for three nights in the year of Autas 1847 and then forbade it.


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Book 008, Number 3252:
Sabra Juhanni reported: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted temporary marriage for us. So I and another person went out and saw a woman of Bana 'Amir, who was like a young long-necked she-camel. We presented ourselves to her (for contracting temporary marriage), whereupon she said: What dower would you give me? I said: My cloak. And my companion also said: My cloak. And the cloak of-my companion was superior to my cloak, but I was younger than he. So when she looked at the cloak of my companion she liked it, and when she cast a glance at me I looked more attractive to her. She then said: Well, you and your cloak are sufficient for me. I remained with her for three nights, and then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: He who has any such woman with whom he had contracted temporary marriage, he should let her off.


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Book 008, Number 3253:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported that his father went on an expedition with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) during the Victory of Mecca, and we stayed there for fifteen days (i. e. for thirteen full days and a day and a night), and Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage with women. So I and another person of my tribe went out, and I was more handsome than he, whereas he was almost ugly. Each one of us had a cloaks, My cloak was worn out, whereas the cloak of my cousin was quite new. As we reached the lower or the upper side of Mecca, we came across a young woman like a young smart long-necked she-camel. We said: Is it possible that one of us may contract temporary marriage with you? She said: What will you give me as a dower? Each one of us spread his cloak. She began to cast a glance on both the persons. My companion also looked at her when she was casting a glance at her side and he said: This cloak of his is worn out, whereas my cloak is quite new. She, however, said twice or thrice: There is no harm in (accepting) this cloak (the old one). So I contracted temporary marriage with her, and I did not come out (of this) until Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) declared it forbidden.


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Book 008, Number 3254:
Rabi' b. S'abra al-jahanni reported on the authority of his father. We went with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) to Mecca during the year of Victory and he narrated like this a hadith transmitted by Bishr (the previous one) but with this addition:" She said: Can it be possible?" And it is also mentioned in it:" He said: The cloak of this (man) is old and worn out."


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Book 008, Number 3255:
Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father that while he was with Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon hm) he said: 0 people, I had permitted you to contract temporary marriage with women, but Allah has forbidden it (now) until the Day of Resurrection. So he who has any (woman with this type of marriage contract) he should let her off, and do not take back anything you have given to then (as dower).


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Book 008, Number 3256:
This hadith has been narrated on the authority of 'Abd al-'Aziz b 'Umar with the same chain of transmitters, and he said: I saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) standing between the pillar and the gate (of the Ka'ba) and he was relating a hadith as narrated by Ibn Numair.


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Book 008, Number 3257:
'Abd al-Malik b. Rabi' b. Sabraal-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father who narrated it on the authority of his father (i e. 'Abd al-Malik's grandfather, Sabura al-juhanni): Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) permitted us to contract temporary marriage in the Year of Victory, as we entered Mecce, and we did come out of it but he forbade us to do it.


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Book 008, Number 3258:
Sabra b. Ma'bad reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) permitted his Companions to contract temporary marriage with women in the Year of Victory. So I and a friend of mine from Banu Sulaim went out, until we found a young woman of Banu Amir who was like a young she-camel having a long neck. We made proposal to her for contracting temporary marriage with us, and presented to her our cloaks (as dower). She began to look and found me more handsome than my friend, but found the cloak of my friend more beautiful than my cloak. She thought in her wind for a while, but then preferred me to my friend. So I remained with her for three (nights), and then Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) commanded us to part with them (such women).


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Book 008, Number 3259:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage.


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Book 008, Number 3260:
Rabi' b. Sabra reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade on the Day of Victory to contract temporary marriage with women. This hadith has been narrated on the authority of Rabi' b. Sabra that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade to contracf temporary marriage with women at the time of Victory, and that his father had contracted the marriage for two red cloaks.


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Book 008, Number 3261:
'Urwa b. Zabair reported that 'Abdullah b. Zubair (Allah be pleased with him) stood up (and delivered an address) in Mecca saying: Allah has made blind the hearts of some people as He has deprived them of eyesight that they give religious verdict in favour of temporary marriage, while he was alluding to a person (Ibn 'Abbas). Ibn Abbas called him and said: You are an uncouth person, devoid of sense. By my life, Mut'a was practised during the lifetime of the leader of the pious (he meant Allah's Messenger, may peace be upon him), and Ibn Zubair said to him: just do it yourselves, and by Allah, if you do that I will stone you with your stones. Ibn Shihab said. Khalid b. Muhajir b. Saifullah informed me: While I was sitting in the company of a person, a person came to him and he asked for a religious verdict about Mut'a and he permitted him to do it. Ibn Abu 'Amrah al-Ansari (Allah be pleased with him) said to him: Be gentle. It was permitted in- the early days of Islam, (for one) who was driven to it under the stress of necessity just as (the eating of) carrion and the blood and flesh of swine and then Allah intensified (the commands of) His religion and prohibited it (altogether). Ibn Shihab reported: Rabi' b. Sabra told me that his father (Sabra) said: I contracted temporary marriage with a woman of Banu 'Amir for two cloaks during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) ; then he forbade us to do Mut'a. Ibn Shihab said: I heard Rabi' b. Sabra narrating it to Umar b. 'Abd al-'Aziz and I was sitting there.


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Book 008, Number 3262:
Sabra al-Juhanni reported on the authority of his father: Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited the contracting of temporary marriage and said: Behold, it is forbidden from this very day of yours to the Day of Resurrection, and he who has given something (as a dower) should not take it back.


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Book 008, Number 3263:
'Ali b. AbiTalib reported that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) prohibited on the Day of Khaibar the contracting of temporary marriage with women and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.


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Book 008, Number 3264:
Malik narrated this hadith on the authority of the same chain of trans- witters that 'Ali b. Abil Talib said to a person: You are a person led astray; Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) forbade us (to do Mut'a), as is stated In the hadith transmitted on the authority of Yahya b. Malik.


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Book 008, Number 3265:
Muhammad b. 'Ali narrated on the authority of his father 'Ali that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited for ever the contracting of temporary marriage and eating of the flesh of the domestic asses.


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Book 008, Number 3266:
'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) heard that Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) gave some relaxation in connection with the contracting of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Don't be hasty (in your religious verdict), Ibn 'Abbas, for Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar prohibited for ever the doing of it-And eating of the flesh of domestic asses.


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Book 008, Number 3267:
'Ali (Allah be pleased with him) said to Ibn 'Abbas (Allah be pleased with them) that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) on the Day of Khaibar forbade forever the contracting of temporary marriage and the eating of the flesh of domestic asses.

[AbuMubarak]

this thread is closed, this subject is abhorrent

[abdulhakeem]

Question: What is the ruling on mut’ah marriage?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

Mut’ah marriage means that a man marries a woman – either Muslim or from the people of the Book – and specifies how long the marriage will last, for example five days, or two months, or half a year, or many years. The beginning and end of the marriage are specified, and he pays her a small mahr (dowry), and after the specified time is over, the woman exits the marriage. This kind of marriage was permitted during the year of the Conquest of Makkah for three days, then it was disallowed and prohibited until the Day of Resurrection. This was reported by Muslim (1406).

The wife is the one with whom one stays on a long-term basis, as Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“… and live with them honourably …” [al-Nisaa’ 4:19], but in the case of mut’ah a man does not live with the woman for long.

The wife is the one who is called a wife in sharee’ah, with whom the relationship is long-lasting. She is mentioned in the aayah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, ¾ for then, they are free from blame” [al-Mu’minoon 23:6] – the latter (a slave whom one’s right hand possesses) is not a wife according to sharee’ah, because her stay is limited to a short time.

The wife is the one who inherits from the husband, or from whom the husband inherits, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“In that which your wives leave, your share is a half if they have no child…” [al-Nisaa’ 4:12]. But the woman in a mut’ah marriage does not inherit, because she is not a wife, since she spends such a short time with the man.

On these grounds, Mut’ah marriage is considered to be zinaa (adultery or fornication), even if both parties consent to it, and even if it lasts for a long time, and even if the man pays the woman a mahr. There is nothing that has been reported in sharee’ah that shows that it may be permitted, apart from the brief period when it was allowed during the year of the conquest of Makkah. That was because at that time there were so many people who has newly embraced Islam and there was the fear that they might become apostates, because they had been used to committing zinaa during the Jaahiliyyah. So this kind of marriage was permitted for them for three days, then it was made haraam until the Day of Resurrection, as was narrated by Muslim, 1406.

From al-Lu’lu’ al-Makeen min Fataawa Fadeelat al-Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Jibreen, p. 41. (www.islam-qa.com)

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[abdulhakeem]

Question: Could you please tell if there is such a concept as 'temporary marriages'in islam. I would like to know because a friend of mine has read a book by professor Abui Qasim Gourgi and is under the impression that if they are already married it is okay for them to do muta(the name for a temporary marriage according to islamic shariah). His definition for a temporary marriage is that if you like someone it is okay for you to have your nikah read with them for a short period of time. Please could you tell me more about the issue of muta and which schools of thought believe in such an idea (could you support your answer using references from ahadith and quran).

Answer: Praise be to Allaah.

Mut’ah or temporary marriage refers to when a man marries a woman for a specific length of time in return for a particular amount of money.

The basic principle concerning marriage is that it should be ongoing and permanent. Temporary marriage – i.e., mut’ah marriage – was permitted at the beginning of Islam, then it was abrogated and became haraam until the Day of Judgement.

It was narrated from ‘Ali (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade mut’ah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys.

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 3979; Muslim, 1407.

It was narrated from al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah al-Juhani that his father told him that he was with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) who said, “O people, I used to allow you to engage in mut’ah marriages, but now Allaah has forbidden that until the Day of Resurrection, so whoever has any wives in a mut’ah marriage, he should let her go and do not take anything of the (money) you have given them.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

Allaah has made marriage one of His signs which calls us to think and ponder. He has created love and compassion between the spouses, and has made the wife a source of tranquility for the husband. He encouraged us to have children and decreed that a woman should wait out the ‘iddah period and may inherit. None of that exists in this haraam form of marriage.

A woman who is married in a mut’ah marriage, according to the Raafidis – i.e. the Shi’ah, who are the ones who say that this is permissible – is neither a wife nor a concubine. But Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame;

But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:5-7]

The Raafidis quote invalid evidence to support their argument that mut’ah is permissible. For example:

(a) They quote the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“…so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed…”

[al-Nisa’ 4:24]

They say: this verse indicates that mut’ah is permissible, and the word ‘their mahr (ujoorahunna – lit. their dues or their wages)’ is evidence that what is meant by the phrase ‘you have enjoyed sexual relations’ is mut’ah.

The refutation of this is the fact that prior to this Allaah mentions the women whom a man is forbidden to marry, then he mentions what is permissible for him, and He commands the man to give to the woman he marries her mahr.

The joy of marriage is expressed here by the word enjoyment (‘of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations’). A similar instance occurs in the Sunnah, in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah according to which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Woman is like a bent rib, if you try to straighten her you will break her. If you want to enjoy her, then enjoy her while she still has some crookedness in her.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4889; Muslim, 1468.

The mahr is referred to here as ajr (lit. dues or wages), but this does not refer to the money which is paid to the woman with whom he engages in mut’ah in the contract of mut’ah. The mahr is referred to as ajr elsewhere in the Book of Allaah, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage)…”

[al-Ahzaab 33:50]

Thus it becomes clear that there is no evidence in this verse to suggest that mut’ah is permissible.

Even if we were to say for argument’s sake that this verse indicates that mut’ah is permitted, we would still say that it is abrogated by the reports in the saheeh Sunnah which prove that mut’ah is forbidden until the Day of Resurrection.

(b) The reports that some of the Sahaabah regarded it as being permissible, especially Ibn ‘Abbaas.

The refutation here is the fact that the Raafidis are following their own whims and desires, because they regard the companions of the Prophet (may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs, then you see them quoting their actions as permissible in this instance and in others.

With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted.

It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1407.

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Question: About four weeks ago I met an Arabic man who followed Islam, he told me that he had special interest in me and wanted to be with me. To validate this "dating" he requested that we be "temporarly married". I have searched and searched for the explanation of this "temporary marriage". I really love this man and would marry him, but from what I have read it seems as though we already maybe married. I am very confused and would like to have this cleared up.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah.

There is no such thing in Islam as so-called “temporary marriage,” but some people who follow misguided innovations that have been introduced into the religion still believe in the validity of something known as “mut’ah marriage,” which is a form of temporary marriage. However, this type of marriage was abrogated or cancelled out and is not part of Islamic law (translator’s note: it was allowed for a brief period during the very early days of Islam, when society was in transition, but was definitively and for all time abrogated during the life of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)).

You should beware of such people, and not let your emotions overwhelm you and stop you from following the truth.

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Question: Hi, I'm a Christian and I am in a muta marrige with a muslim right now and when we discuss muta marriges he says he's allowed to have sex if it was put in the "contract" I was just wondering is that true? If the female are unable to be touched then how is it that a guy can have sex. I guess I just don't understand. What are the other things you can and can not do while in a muta marrige?

Answer: Praise be to Allaah.

We are very upset to hear about this incident in which you have been deceived and lied to, or have fallen victim to the ignorance of this evil man. The final ruling with regard to mut’ah marriage is that it is forbidden according to Islamic sharee’ah. This prohibition is the final ruling of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) with regard to this matter.

Imaam Muslim said in his Saheeh:

Baab Nikaah al-Mut’ah wa bayaan annahu ubeeha thumma nusikha thumma ubeeha thumma nusikha wastaqarra tahreemuhu ilaa Yawn il-Qiyaamah (Chapter on Mut’ah marriage and the statement that it was permitted, then abrogated, then permitted, then abrogated, and this prohibition remains in effect until the Day of Resurrection).

From Iyaas ibn Salamah from his father, who said: “The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) gave sanction for contracting temporary marriage (mut’ah) for three nights in the year of Awtaas [after the Battle of Humayn in 8 AH], then he forbade it.” (2499)

From al-Rabee’ ibn Sabrah from his father: on the day of the Conquest (of Makkah) the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade temporary marriage (mut’ah) with women. (Saheeh Muslim, 2506)

And also from him (may Allaah be pleased with him): that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade mut’ah and said: “It is forbidden from this day of yours until the Day of Resurrection, and whoever has given anything [as a dowry] should not take it back.” (Saheeh Muslim, 2509).

From ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib: that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade temporary marriage to women and the flesh of donkeys at the time of Khaybar. This was narrated by al-Tirmidhi, who said: the hadeeth of ‘Ali is hasan saheeh and this is what was followed by the scholars among the companions of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and others… this is also the view of al-Thawri, Ibn al-Mubaarak, al-Shaafa’i, Ahmad and Ishaaq. Sunan al-Tirmidhi, 1040.

Either this man who has deceived you is an evil Raafidi who is following the religion of his community, who permit mut’ah marriages which are forbidden in Islam, or he is a corrupt Muslim who is taking advantage of the matter to fulfil his own desires, or he is ignorant and needs to be educated and advised.

We thank you for sending this question to us and we would like to take this opportunity to invite you to Islam, the religion of truth, which came to protect people’s life, honour and wealth. You will find information on embracing Islam in the first sections on our web-page. We pray to Allaah to help you to do that which is good and to protect you from evil things and evil people. May Allaah bless the Chosen Prophet.

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I heard that such a thing as a temporary marriage exists. I dont think it does, but one of my friends is sure it exists. If it does under what circumstances does it exist or is it only in the shia beliefs?

Answer 442: There is no such thing as temporary marriages. It is the incorrect belief of the Shi'as.

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Mut'ah: The Temporary Marriage

This is a forbidden from of marriage which is contradicted for a short period for a fixed remuneration. It was allowed in the early formative period of Islam before the Shari'ah of Islam reached its completion. It was allowed in the early days while one went on a journey or when people went in battles against the enemies. The reason why it was allowed was that new Muslims were passing through a transitionary period from the Jahilliyyah to Islam. In the Jahilliyyah period adultery was so common that it was not considered a sin. Just as Islamic injunctions of usury (al-riba) and wine-drinking (al-Khamr) came only gradually, since people were so much used to them. Mutah was only allowed in the early days for people going on Jihad or Ghazwat. Those whose faith was still weak prove to commit adultery while away on Jihad. Those who had strong Iman expressed their desire to get castrated in order to curb their passion. 'Abdullah bin Masud has said:

"We used to go on Ghazawat with the Messenger of Allah, and we did not take our women with us. We asked (the Prophet) if we could get ourselves castrated. The Messenger of Allah refused us to do so and allowed us to marry women by giving her clothes for a certain period."

It is also narrated by Sayyidna 'Ali: I said to Ibn 'Abbas during the battle of Khaibar:

"The Prophet (S.A.W.) forbade the temporary marriage and the eating of the flesh of donkey." Al-Bukhari, Vol. VII, 50

After the Shari'ah of Islam reached its completion, it was made unlawful (Haram). Temporary permission due to force of circumstances that the Prophet had given was made haram immediately after the conquest of Makkah as narrated by 'Ali. 'Ali says:

"He was with the Prophet on the occasion of the battle for the conquest of Mecca. The Prophet had permitted Mut'ah marriage for the Sahabah. He says that the Prophet declared it unlawful even before leaving that place."

According to yet another narration, the Prophet declared:

"Undoub