Where is the Islamic unity?

[Roke]

There were a small number of jews in the U.S yet they actually accessed over 100 billion dollars for their Jewish state?

Why you wonder??

UNITY.

THE BIGGEST DEFEAT TO THE ARABS WAS THE DISMANTLEMENT OF THE OTTOMAN RULE BY THE BRITISH ****.

BIG MISTAKE.

ARABS HAVE TO UNITE GOVERNMENTS AS ONE WHOLE COUNTRY AND ONE WHOLE FLAG.

PLUS ARABS/MUSLIMS IN WEST MUST NOT STEP ON EACH OTHER'S FACES. THEY MUST UNITE LIKE THE JEWS DID. ALTHOUGH IT TOOK THE JEWS 300 YEARS OF WORK TO GET POWER INTO THE U.S GOVERNMENT, THERE ARE MORE ARABS/MUSLIMS.

UNIT.

Unit I say!

Become strong!

Take over the media!

The banks!

Take it all the right way!

With your oil, you'll have the power!

[Hussayn]

salam,

We can only have unity without wahhabis, since wahhabis act against the unity of Muslims. Indeed,


THE BIGGEST DEFEAT TO THE ARABS WAS THE DISMANTLEMENT OF THE OTTOMAN RULE BY THE BRITISH ****.


this is true, and the wahhabis had a very important role in the dismantlement of the ottoman empire (which was a defeat for muslims and not only arabs)

wa salam

[Gautama]

Greetings. I come here from another political forum on which another member recommended that I visit.

I come as a questioner, to find out what the truth was, and what is now passing as truth...and on this topic, it's my understanding that Islam's only experience with Unity was when Mohammed united mainly Bedouins. It is my understanding that when he left his group to his first Califs, those spread Islam in Persia when it already had a state religion, and that was pagan, and in doing so invited into its midst many possible interpretations of Islam.

Disunity was invited the moment it spread to disunified ethnic groups, and this being particularly among the Turkman and the old Persians. After having converted Persia, the Persian Califs desired old Persian Empire ground in Europe, like Armenia; The Sultan Osman of Turkey's Ottoman Empire was also condemned by other Muslimans, and therein lay the fall of that Empire.

It is my understanding that before entry into Mecca, Mohammed's definition of "infidel" was addressed only toward pagan idol worshippers such as his father was, and he held favor toward the Christian teachings of his Christian-converted Jewish mother. After Mecca, definitions changed drastically, and seem to change with different Califs.

The Caliphate of Turkey was quite beside itself dealing with the Kurds even so...as certain Muslims in Iraq currently find them problematic.

Please add details to my understandings, if you would. Thanks.

[waz]

[real_bosanka]

Without 'unity', islam will suffer. Wouldnt it be more feasable for us [muslims] if we were all 'attacking the same throats', lets say, that of the kafir !

[Gautama]

Unity is a challenge for any large group of local groups, no doubt. However, I was seeking more accurate historical record. I'm afraid that blaming the British for the fall of the Ottoman Empire is not accurate, for they were in concert with France and the Kingdom of Arabia under Hussein I after Arabia, with the help of T. E. Lawrence (British), declared independence from Turkish rule.

It was Arabia that helped to put the knife through the heart of the Ottoman Sultan, standing not just with Britain but with France and the other Great Powers in Europe as well. The British fleet in the Black Sea was under Turk command.

Please....just the actual real facts. Thank you.

[Gautama]

Oh my--I'm afraid I omitted a small detail saying that the British in the Black Sea were under Turk command yet saying that via T. E. Lawrence, who was British, Arabia attained independent sovereignty from Turkey.

The difference is the Crimean War, and Turkey's change from British ally to German.

So sorry....