Shall we get WINE in Janah ? Please explain

[1rightman]

Salam Brothers ans Sisters,

I am confused with the translation of Koran( two versions in Burmese and English Translation on the web ), Sura 83:Ayah 25, where it states that " They will be given to drink of pure sealed wine ".
But in the English Translation of Rashed Khalifar instead of Wine it is using " Nectar".
Also in Sura 76 : Ayah 05 in Burmese Translation as well as English Translation ( Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilall, Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan ), it is thated that " Verily the Abrar ( THe pious and rightous ) shall drink of a cup ( of wine) mixed with ( water from a spring in paradise called ) Kafur"
Please kindly explain with the root word of original arabic used in respective sura. Thank you.

[MalikOne™]

M KHAN TRANSLATION

There they shall pass from hand to hand a (wine) cup, free from any Laghw (dirty, false, evil vague talk between them), and free from sin (because it will be legal for them to drink). (Chapter #52 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=52&translator=5), Verse #23 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=52&translator=5#23))

Verily, the Abrar (pious, who fear Allah and avoid evil), shall drink a cup (of wine) mixed with water from a spring in Paradise called Kafoor. (Chapter #76 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=5), Verse #5 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=5#5))

And they will be given to drink there a cup (of wine) mixed with Zanjabeel (ginger, etc.), (Chapter #76 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=5), Verse #17 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=5#17))

The last thereof (that wine) will be the smell of musk, and for this let (all) those strive who want to strive (i.e. hasten earnestly to the obedience of Allah). (Chapter #83 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=83&translator=5), Verse #26 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=83&translator=5#26))

YUSAF ALI TRANSLATION

(Here is) a Parable of the Garden which the righteous are promised: in it are rivers of water incorruptible; rivers of milk of which the taste never changes; rivers of wine, a joy to those who drink; and rivers of honey pure and clear. In it there are for them all kinds of fruits; and Grace from their Lord. (Can those in such Bliss) be compared to such as shall dwell for ever in the Fire, and be given, to drink, boiling water, so that it cuts up their bowels (to pieces)? (Chapter #47 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=2), Verse #15 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=2#15))

As to the Righteous, they shall drink of a Cup (of wine) mixed with Kafur,- (Chapter #76 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=2), Verse #5 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=2#5))

Upon them will be green Garments of fine silk and heavy brocade, and they will be adorned with Bracelets of silver; and their Lord will give to them to drink of a wine Pure and Holy. (Chapter #76 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=2), Verse #21 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=76&translator=2#21))

PICKTHAL TRANSLATION

A similitude of the Garden which those who keep their duty (to Allah) are promised: Therein are rivers of water unpolluted, and rivers of milk whereof the flavour changeth not, and rivers of wine delicious to the drinkers, and rivers of clear-run honey; therein for them is every kind of fruit, with pardon from their Lord. (Are those who enjoy all this) like those who are immortal in the Fire and are given boiling water to drink so that it teareth their bowels? (Chapter #47 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=4), Verse #15 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=47&translator=4#15))

They are given to drink of a pure wine, sealed, (Chapter #83 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=83&translator=4), Verse #25 (http://www.searchtruth.com/chapter_display.php?chapter=83&translator=4#25))

[AbuSadiq]

Salam Brothers ans Sisters,

I am confused with the translation of Koran( two versions in Burmese and English Translation on the web ), Sura 83:Ayah 25, where it states that " They will be given to drink of pure sealed wine ".
But in the English Translation of Rashed Khalifar instead of Wine it is using " Nectar".
Also in Sura 76 : Ayah 05 in Burmese Translation as well as English Translation ( Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilall, Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan ), it is thated that " Verily the Abrar ( THe pious and rightous ) shall drink of a cup ( of wine) mixed with ( water from a spring in paradise called ) Kafur"
Please kindly explain with the root word of original arabic used in respective sura. Thank you.

Salam,

Thank you brother for being too curious about this issue.

"Wine" occured in the holy Qur'an in so many places, where Allah decribes the various varieties available for those that will enter the Jannah. Yes, there is wine in Paradise for the believers, but it does not intoxicates, unlike the one you have here on earth. It adds more pleasure and enjoiment. So the Holy Prophet Sallallaahu Alahi Wasallam says: "...whoever drinks the wine of this world (and died without repenting), will not drink the wine of Jannah. . "

Finally, beware of the Qur'anic translation of Dr. Rashad Khalifah. Its full of distortions. The Author (Dr. Rashad himself) claims prophethood (after making his so called discovery about the miracles of Qur'an, which is full of distortions, also), hence the Muslim Ummah worldwide disclaimed him.

So beware of this so called "Qur'an", please. As for that of Dr. Taqi'uddin Al-Hilaaliy, there is no problem with that. Stick to it and abandon the other. It is a very good translation.

[islaha]

shall we get wine in janah? inshallah i hope so!

[MrBlowtatoes]

we get anything we want [and yes, that is a literal statement]..that is why it is jannah

[thetruth]

is it true that men will / can get up to 70 wifes? how about women? will they get 70 husbands? does anyone have a article about what heaven is like? and what we can or can not ask for?

[Ayah]

Paradise (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=13614&highlight=paradise)

[MalikOne™]

72 wives i believe

[abdusamad]

72 wives i believe



and not every men.

[carol_au]

Peace all,

I've been told by many Muslims when I've asked about those virgins, that the promise for the 72 virgins are from unauthentic hadiths.. ie not Sahih Muslim, or Bukhari or the other two Sahih ones.

Is this true?

[proximus]

it seems clear that sence it is stated that we get what our heart desires, what diffrence does it make if it is 72 virgins and 400,000,000 virgins?

what i don't get is how you ask what jannah will be like...sence it will be tailored to everyone deepest desires..and all out desires are diffrent...

[carol_au]

If Jannah is a place for the provision of eternal self desire, (be they wine, virgins or whatever) where does the worship of God fit?

[Moayidd]

Salam Brothers ans Sisters,

I am confused with the translation of Koran( two versions in Burmese and English Translation on the web ), Sura 83:Ayah 25, where it states that " They will be given to drink of pure sealed wine ".
But in the English Translation of Rashed Khalifar instead of Wine it is using " Nectar".
Also in Sura 76 : Ayah 05 in Burmese Translation as well as English Translation ( Dr. Muhammad Taqi-ud-Din Al-Hilall, Dr. Muhammad Muhsin Khan ), it is thated that " Verily the Abrar ( THe pious and rightous ) shall drink of a cup ( of wine) mixed with ( water from a spring in paradise called ) Kafur"
Please kindly explain with the root word of original arabic used in respective sura. Thank you.

Salaam Akhi,

It doesn't matter what translations says what. The concept is this: Law is only applicable to life, it governs the bodies we have here. Allah does not impose Laws on us just to make life difficult for us, he asks us to follow his Laws because they control our bodies in a fashion that makes our spirits more able to reach him and love him. There is no such requirement in Heaven and with out this body we have here there is no need for any Laws.
Hence, wine, alcohol etc are not sins not against any Law.

Besides, and this is a deeper subject, what you will find ni heaven is not wine, women and such, what you will find there is the REALITY of those things only. What you see here is a reflection, a material manifestation or realization of the TRUTH of those things, what you will find in heaven is only the truth of those things.
Pleasures won't be sins in heaven.


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[Moayidd]

If Jannah is a place for the provision of eternal self desire, (be they wine, virgins or whatever) where does the worship of God fit?

Worship, the way we know it here isn't applicable in heaven either. Worship is the burden imposed upon creation in existence only, it comes with having a body. It is the body that worships, the spirit already knows God. The difference is in how much of that spirit each of us has.

In heaven, and depending on the heaven we go to, worship will be a pleasure not an assigend task. In the highest heaven, the dwellers will always be in the company of Allah, their worship will be the love they feel in that state.
For the lower heavens, it won't matter if you are enjoying wine, because enjoing what Allah gave you will be an act of worhship.

Here is here and there is there. There are different rules and circumstances.



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[carol_au]

Moayidd,

That really doesn't satisfy my question.. sorry

If we exist at the pleasure of God and if He created us to worship HIm and for HIm, How could an eternity with countless virgins and wine bring Him glory?

Seems to me, that this is all about why we were created in the first place and what place the glory of God has in our existance both now and in eternity?

I still cannot get over reading the Bukhari hadith elsewhere that states that those who are martyred for the sake of Islam will want to return to this earth just so they can taste it all again.

My whole purpose in life is to see God and to worship Him in spirit and in truth. To think that when I finally meet Him and see Him, I would prefer to return to this earth and to die again and again is beyond belief and understanding. He alone is my reward ..

and.. personally worship is not a burden placed on me, but a delight that is a foretaste of the worship I will be involved in all of eternity.

[Moayidd]

Moayidd,

That really doesn't satisfy my question.. sorry

If we exist at the pleasure of God and if He created us to worship HIm and for HIm, How could an eternity with countless virgins and wine bring Him glory?

It won't bring him Glory, I only said it is a form of Worship. Allah doesn't need to be glorified, he never did.
Ok let me expalin the word 'worhsip' as it appears in the Qur'an. It really means our very existence is worship of God.

051.056 وَمَا خَلَقْتُ الْجِنَّ وَالإنْسَ إِلا لِيَعْبُدُونِ
051.056 I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me.
051.056 Wam[a] khalaqtu aljinna wa(a)l-insa ill[a] liyaAAbudoon(i)

The Arabic word is yaAAbudoon(i) which means to worship me. Since Allah says thats why he created us for no other reasin other than to worship him then we must be engaged in it. This means worhsip here doesn't mean the deliebrate act of praying or such, it means that our very existence is an act of worship. Why is that ? Because knwoing Allah is worhsip, because existing is a testament to the creator.
Don't take worship at the ritualistic level, it has another meaning.
Enjoying what Allah created for us is a form of Hamd (praise/appreciation) for Allah. That is worship and glorification.
If you read the Qur'an you will notice that Angels do not worship Allah, the term used is Not Ibaada (from YaAAbudoon), it is Tasbeeh which is translated to celebrating in remembrance and TaqdeeSS wich is holification.
They have no bodies and no free will and hence cannot worship God despite being engaged in prayers and such.

Worship is a different thing than you think and the rules here are not the rules as in heaven.




Seems to me, that this is all about why we were created in the first place and what place the glory of God has in our existance both now and in eternity?

I'm not sure what you mean.


I still cannot get over reading the Bukhari hadith elsewhere that states that those who are martyred for the sake of Islam will want to return to this earth just so they can taste it all again.

Bukhari means to taste being Martyred all over again not living all over again.:)


My whole purpose in life is to see God and to worship Him in spirit and in truth. To think that when I finally meet Him and see Him, I would prefer to return to this earth and to die again and again is beyond belief and understanding. He alone is my reward ..

You are overlooking two things here, first Martyers aren't in heaven yet. They are just not dead and are enjoying the state they are in. After judgement day they will go to Al Fardaws a layer of Heaven. Secondly, they can't see God yet. This too might happen after Judgement day and depends on what Heaven they go to.
We are all different, don't over look the fact that some people might not want to be with God but would rather live a life of Joy. The concept is each of those who goes to heaven will get what they want - this is Gods promise. If you get to heaven and what you want is to be with God, then this is what you will get.




and.. personally worship is not a burden placed on me, but a delight that is a foretaste of the worship I will be involved in all of eternity.
Worship, the way you understand it is not burden, but I just explained worship above. It includes the suffering, the pain the uncertianty, and all the other unpleasant things we go through. You meant worship as in prayer, this isnt the defintiion of Worship in the Qur'an, and this isn't a burden, I personally cant get enough of it.

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[carol_au]

Peace Moayidd,

No, I don't think worship is Prayer.. not at all. Worship is adoration. It's adoring God for who He is .. it's experiencing Him in your innermost being .. prayer on this earth is a taste of what I believe it will be like when I am with HIm. LIkewise when I sing hymns (and I know this is not part of Muslim worship, but it's an important part of my worship) I acclaim Him as God.

Someone has said it like this

Prayer is our occupation with our human needs and problems. We come to God with our needs and ask him for his supply.

Praise is the occupation of our minds with his blessings. We are thinking of all that God has done for us and give thanks for how he has blessed us.

Worship is our occupation with God himself, with the greatness of his being.

My glorifying Him or acclaiming Him as God, does not mean that without that acclaim and glory He is not God, and I agree with you, He does not need my worship, because He is God and self glorifying, but to worship Him, To glorify Him, simply means I am submitting myself to Him and giving Him the place of Creator, Ruler and King of my life. The English word for worship comes from the old English worth-ship which means "to ascribe worth or value to something or someone."


Worship is not something we do, worship is something we are. I agree with you.. we were created to worship Him .. the purpose of our existance is to glorify God in our lives and to enjoy Him for ever.

Jesus said "God is a Spirit; and they who worship him must worship him in spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Anything except God is meaningless according to Solomon in Song of Solomon. God, in His goodness has blessed us with a "taste of heaven" in our marriages, in our friendships, in our families .. but they are all just a taste of what is ahead for us .. and that is His very presence. Why would I want more than Him if He is the reason for my existance?

This is why I can't understand why the preoccupation for other things that seem to abound in Islamic understanding of Heaven. Heaven is where He is..


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Sing to the Lord, all the earth;
proclaim his salvation day after day.
Declare his glory among the nations,
his marvelous deeds among all peoples.
For great is the Lord, and most worthy of praise;
*he is to be feared above all gods.
For all the gods of the nations are idols,
*but the Lord made the heavens.
Splendor and majesty are before him,
strength and joy in his dwelling place.
Ascribe to the Lord, O families of nations,
ascribe to the Lord glory and strength.
ascribe to the Lord the glory due unto his name;
Bring an offering, and come before him;
worship the Lord in the splendor of his holiness.
Tremble before him, all the earth!
The world is firmly established, it cannot be moved.
Let the heavens rejoice, let the earth be glad;
*Let them say among the nations, "The Lord reigns!" (1*Chronicles 16:23-31)

[carol_au]

And to my fellow posters here

I won't be discussing anymore here, for I don't want to take over this thread, but I would still love to hear your own thoughts about why we need wine, virgins etc there.. I know it is part of Islam and this is all part of my learning about Islam and comparing it to what I believe and understanding why.

Many thanks