786, what is your view on their nasheeds

[naseehamusic]

Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters, i would like to know what your views are regarding 786 a american nasheed pop style group.
786 use instruments and also sample many pop songs of today, such as their track palestine which is a exact copy of a n-sync song, how far are we willing to go, is the nasheed industry becoming all about the money, where do we draw the line when it comes to creating nasheeds?

[NaDiA!]

i have to say these kinda groups are a disgrace!! the whole idea of nasheeds is not to use music or instruments and should not resemble western music! im afraid to say many nasheed artists these days such as 786 are using music and istruments creating no difference between them and the kaffirs.

On a more positive note there are many excellent nasheed artists such as kamal uddin and zain bikha who have beautfiul voices and know the true meaning of nasheeds.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

Assalamualaikum brothers and sisters, such as their track palestine which is a exact copy of a n-sync song,

:wswrwb:

N Sync :D :rotfl:

Ahem, i liked 'Palestine'

Syncronised moves and squeaky voices = :nono:

:salams

[Mujaheedah]

i listen to heavens keys the version without music its pretty nice, but i dont like the idea of them adding music to most of theyre nasheeds.

[K@M]

As music is haram in islam, listening to thier 2nasheeds" would also be constituted as haram I guess, so I would advise everyone to not listen to them.

[Mujaheedah]

http://nadeem.lightuponlight.com/ISLAMIC%20SERVER%2002/786_HeavensKeys.htm this is one of theyre its doesnt got any music in it.

[Ar-Raya]

*smiles*....it's funny how their name gives away their style of "music"...->Bidah

[masum2u]

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Assalamu 'Alaykum

the numbers ''786'', are made out of the ''Harafs'' of the arabic word ''Bismillah'', which is why they call themselves 786 as bismillah, however, muslims should not use 786 as the eact word for bismillah, this is totally insane.

As for bid'ah, the hindu goddess ''Krishna'' is numbered 786, which make it worse, because it is near shirk. as associating bismillah with the hindu's goddess krishna, astaghfirullah.

So please, to all brothers and sisters, avoid using 786 as bismillah, and give naseeha to others to do the same, inshaAllah.

As for 786's pop songs, i will soon remove them from my website, and in their place add some new halal, music-free nasheeds, inshaAllah

Fi amanillah

Wassalaam

[nyemah_mulya]

assalamualaikum...


i'm malaysian and a newbie here :)

thanks 4 the info about how term 786 originates from,
i've been wondering for so long how this term emerges..

as for the 786 group
i had listened to their song "Palestine", and personally i like it
I'm not going to talk about fatwas and hukms here
but if you listen to 'nasheed' songs in my country
the 786 song sounds quite innocent compared to most of them :rolleyes:

just so to let u know
nice being here though

[ikid23]

Seven 8 Six has released a new music video for their song "Dua"

http://www.meemmusic.com/media/stream/786-make-dua.asx

If you think it is 'haram' or 'bidah' then jus don't watch it... This is for the fans:)

[~~*JaMiLa*]

i qite like some of their nasheeds i think in their new album straight path they've cut alot of the instuments out

[peace2u]

Heaven's Keys sounded really nice, no music


Peace

[sajid]

I was speaking to a brother yday who goes same college as 786boyz members he goes to me when they performed they have been a few instances of sisters throwing their hijab on stage for them and they go nuts when they come on :S

Nasheeds as far as im concerned if they are done the right way then there is nothing wrong with it,

how i see it at the moment and possibly for the future it is gona be too commercialised and western style orientated, most probably they may even try to hit into the charts and i wonder how long it will take for a nasheed group to hit mainstream charts groups like sami, 788, raihan,aashiqul rasool who at one stage i credited but seeing their recent stuff making me think twice

stick to instrument free nasheeds and you cant go around

since sami yusuf has started this new genre of "pop" nasheeds many others will follow suit and sad to say it aint gonna get any better it will go just worst

those singing nasheeds without music will go far inshallah and hope they do well and those companies promoting music free nasheeds will be successul

companies like Meem Music and Awakening are going to go down really badly due to their style and associates!

[As-Salafee]

*smiles*....it's funny how their name gives away their style of "music"...->Bidah

HAHA! MashaAllah ar-raya, I found that observation very funny. MashaAllah.

Never heard them but if they have Musical Instruments in it, then yea, "haram kullu haram". And dance moves? What? lolz Dancing in music video?

I mean if they want to make a music video, do something like "Farshy al torab" showing the graves, person being buried etc. (for the bros/sisters concerned I have the non-instrumental version).

Nabi (S.A.W) has said: "There will be a people of my Ummah (nation) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine - drinking and the use of musical instruments." (Bukhari - 837 /2)

WA alaykum as salam.

[Haz]

Its the month of ramdan, haven't people got better form of deeds to perform that listening to pop-style useless nasheeds?

[ze leetle elper]

Seven 8 Six has released a new music video for their song "Dua"

http://www.meemmusic.com/media/stream/786-make-dua.asx

If you think it is 'haram' or 'bidah' then jus don't watch it... This is for the fans:)

IF they were gonna make their video or whatever, why on earth have they shot some of it inside a masjid? Singing and rapping in a masjid? Where has the respect gone for the place of prayer.

Astaghfirullah.

"Make haste to do [good] deeds before six [things]:

[1] the leadership of fools
[2] the proliferation of police / government agents
[3] the selling of judgement
[4] blood being taken lightly
[5] severance of [ties of] kinship
[6] people who will take the Qur’an as music, sending ahead one of them to sing for them, even though he may be least of them in knowledge/understanding [of the religion]." [Ahmad, Tabarani]

[montoyauk]

Assalamualaikum
i never listen to Nasheeds (http://www.ummah.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=148) which has insuments a disgrace.
theres no difference between that and kafir music
why do all the perfomers that release Nasheeds (http://www.ummah.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=148) with instruments yet there all know it is not allowed in islam.yet there all go and use instuments

Wassalaam

[Abu Haq]

I was speaking to a brother yday who goes same college as 786boyz members he goes to me when they performed they have been a few instances of sisters throwing their hijab on stage for them and they go nuts when they come on :S

Nasheeds as far as im concerned if they are done the right way then there is nothing wrong with it,

how i see it at the moment and possibly for the future it is gona be too commercialised and western style orientated, most probably they may even try to hit into the charts and i wonder how long it will take for a nasheed group to hit mainstream charts groups like sami, 786, raihan,aashiqul rasool who at one stage i credited but seeing their recent stuff making me think twice

stick to instrument free nasheeds and you cant go around

since sami yusuf has started this new genre of "pop" nasheeds many others will follow suit and sad to say it aint gonna get any better it will go just worst

those singing nasheeds without music will go far inshallah and hope they do well and those companies promoting music free nasheeds will be successul

companies like Meem Music and Awakening are going to go down really badly due to their style and associates!

The whole concept of a 'Muslim' boy band leaves a funny feeling in the pit of my stomach that makes me do :vomit: and :vomit: and some more :vomit: for good measure.

[sajid]

Stick with noormedia.com They promote non musical nasheeds and artists the others are not doing too good!

[montoyauk]

if i ever come across 786.i hope i dont.who knows what i will do them
bringing the name of islam to shame

thats the sign of day of judgement.as its already been said by our prophet(s.a.w)peace be upon him

musical instuments will become more common with arabic female singers arabic music.this is just the start

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikum

786? what can i say?

UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HH! UGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!! IN EVERY ASPECT, SHAPE AND FORM!!!!! *SHUDDER* *GROSS* *SICKENING* YUK!YUK!YUK!!!!!

:mad: :mad: :mad:

May Allah forgive us!

Wa Alaikumassalam

[Ar-Raya]

Well...I'm guessing(Alhumdulilah i havent heard their "stuff")...that their name..."786" ...gives them away...ie BIDAH...

[Jammie]

"They say we all should be scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaared"

[Chained_Water]

*closes eyes and holds hairbrush to her mouth*

# Every night close my eyes, pray for a better day, everyday sun will rise, take my troubles away, sit alone and I cryyy#

*ummah members throw eggs and tomato's*

*CW runs offstage*

[abdusamad]

*closes eyes and holds hairbrush to her mouth*

# Every night close my eyes, pray for a better day, everyday sun will rise, take my troubles away, sit alone and I cryyy#

*ummah members throw eggs and tomato's*

*CW runs offstage*



C to the W style huh. :rolleyes:


C Wizzle

[Chained_Water]

IF they were gonna make their video or whatever, why on earth have they shot some of it inside a masjid? Singing and rapping in a masjid? Where has the respect gone for the place of prayer.

Astaghfirullah.



http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=797217&postcount=18

I'm linking to that to make a comparison.

Also the rapping wasn't in the mosque although "ain't nothing rila" in reference to Allah(swt) and Islam just screams out WRONG. :banghead:

However I just wanted to point out that traditionally there is much worse than 786, like those qawali singers with all sorts of instruments and screech about love and Allah(swt) and often what they say (comparing human love to love for Allah(swt)) sounds like shirk.

And as for singing in mosques, people sing naats/nasheeds in praise of the prophet(saw), in glorification of Allah(swt) and about Islam in mosques and teach them to children there too.

Non of this is new and usually it never raises an eyebrow because it's seen as "traditional" but 786 look like a western boyband dancing around so they will invariably get more criticism.

Personally I think deviant cults hammering knives into each other heads, moshing, raving and mutilating each other in a mosque is far more disrespectful to a place of worship than singing about turning to Allah(swt) in dua.

[Chained_Water]

C to the W style huh. :rolleyes:


C Wizzle
"Ain't nut'in rila" :cool:

*ummah members start running for the exit*

[Jammie]

Oh Lord :rolleyes:

[ze leetle elper]

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=797217&postcount=18

I'm linking to that to make a comparison.

Also the rapping wasn't in the mosque although "ain't nothing rila" in reference to Allah(swt) and Islam just screams out WRONG. :banghead:

However I just wanted to point out that traditionally there is much worse than 786, like those qawali singers with all sorts of instruments and screech about love and Allah(swt) and often what they say (comparing human love to love for Allah(swt)) sounds like shirk.

And as for singing in mosques, people sing naats/nasheeds in praise of the prophet(saw), in glorification of Allah(swt) and about Islam in mosques and teach them to children there too.

Non of this is new and usually it never raises an eyebrow because it's seen as "traditional" but 786 look like a western boyband dancing around so they will invariably get more criticism.

Personally I think deviant cults hammering knives into each other heads, moshing, raving and mutilating each other in a mosque is far more disrespectful to a place of worship than singing about turning to Allah(swt) in dua.

I agree to an extent, but I don't think I'm qualified to say what is 'worse' than which.

I saw some of the video, and all I saw was singing, music and rapping in a masjid. My point was, if you are going to shoot a video, then don't do it in a masjid.

People hammering their heads or playing music in a masjid -- both parties, according to them, are doing it for Allah. So the point here is not who is worse, because for all we know they both have the same intention.

On a positive note (yes there is one :D ) I have heard these brothers use their voices very well to do some beautiful NON musical nasheeds and salawat. It's a pity they got lost in the dance moves and funky beat eh.

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikum
On a positive note (yes there is one :D ) I have heard these brothers use their voices very well to do some beautiful NON musical nasheeds and salawat. It's a pity they got lost in the dance moves and funky beat eh.
:eek: Dance moves?!!!! Good God what next? Music videos? MTV?

And i thought they were bad enough just having heard them once at what was supposed to be an muslim events day with speakers but turned out to be a bloody pop concert with a few speeches thrown in-between! :mad:

*YUK* *YUK* *YUK* EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM IS GROSS* *SHUDDER* *UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH* WHY DO THESE TYPE OF WEIRDOS EXIST*?!!!

:spunch:

Wa Alaikumassalam

[abdusamad]

Assalamualaikum

:eek: Dance moves?!!!! Good God what next? Music videos? MTV?



Wa Alaikumassalam


music videos is already out there.....your a bit behind.

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikummusic videos is already out there.....your a bit behind.
Don't lie!!! Thay have a music video? As in western stylee "ooh-look-a-few-clips-of-us-to-watch-because-we're-desperate wannabes" video?

Ya Allah please tell me you're having a laugh!! :scratch: I was being sarcastic when i said music videos! I am too scared to even ask about MTV!!

Wa Alaikumassalam

[-Espérer-]

I don't like the 786 boyz.

[abdusamad]

Assalamualaikum
Don't lie!!! Thay have a music video? As in western stylee "ooh-look-a-few-clips-of-us-to-watch-because-we're-desperate wannabes" video?

Ya Allah please tell me you're having a laugh!! :scratch: I was being sarcastic when i said music videos! I am too scared to even ask about MTV!!

Wa Alaikumassalam


yes video is out, and to be honest they look like N'Sync and Backstreet boys to be, only difference being they are asians.

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikumyes video is out, and to be honest they look like N'Sync and Backstreet boys to be, only difference being they are asians.

:vomit: *SHUDDER* :55:

Wa Alaikumassalam

[-Espérer-]

Backstreet Boys are gay. I hate them.

*pukey*

[~~*JaMiLa*]

I was speaking to a brother yday who goes same college as 786boyz members he goes to me when they performed they have been a few instances of sisters throwing their hijab on stage for them and they go nuts when they come on :S

there had been a rumer going around that a sisters started throwing their hijabs on stage,however 786 themselves have said that there has been no account were a sisters has thrown her hibab on stage

as for the music video it was made to make everyone think about the good and bad times

[Arsalan]

Just downloaded their albumn n it was unacceptable.

Main critisism : Too boy bandy.... not enuff masculinity.

My recommendation: allow it.

If you really wanna help the Ummah, then help yourself, read the Quran and learn to recite the Quran so you may come closer to your creator, rather then fill the pockets of these boy bands.

[shaiekh]

Tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo! much instrument.

Not acceptable.:torture:

[Akib]

agreed brother

When i first watched the video of 786http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon13.gif i thought he was some kind of pop singer or whatever. When i heard the lyrics i found out that they were islamic lyrics but being used in an unacceptable way. This has got to stophttp://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon22.gif. Nasheeds like Ahmed Bukhatir's. Gotta say. Awesomehttp://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon7.gif. 786 may Allah lead them to the right path. Who knows what happens next. Hope something positive.

Inshallah
we all will try to be better muslims
Assalamualaikum

[~~*JaMiLa*]

Assalamualaikum

:eek: Dance moves?!!!! Good God what next? Music videos? MTV?

And i thought they were bad enough just having heard them once at what was supposed to be an muslim events day with speakers but turned out to be a bloody pop concert with a few speeches thrown in-between! :mad:

*YUK* *YUK* *YUK* EVERYTHING ABOUT THEM IS GROSS* *SHUDDER* *UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHH* WHY DO THESE TYPE OF WEIRDOS EXIST*?!!!

:spunch:

Wa Alaikumassalam


what is you problem, what kind of muslims are you ,your supposed to respect your brothers and sisters

why bother going to the event if you think it turned out to be a pop concert
and the DO NOT!!!! have dance moves

so if youve got nothing good to say keep your mouth shut

[Ar-Raya]

*closes mouth*


...

[Abu Hurairah]

Erm can anyone here shoot them- that Mozlem boy band I mean??? I am not encouraging violence at all towards the bid'ahthi dancin' jigglists but was just thinking out loud if that was humanly possible, I know kitten snipers are capable of that but was just wondering.

Please do NOT actually shoot the hip hoppers at all- I was just contemplating thats all- its good to cotemplate. Here look see ---->:scratch:

[warwick]

assalamualikum

i'm a new memba can sum1 send me da link 4 da non musical heavens keys 2 dis add rabiya_kazi@hotmail.comi cudnt access it

jazakallah

[no#1 muslima]

i have to say these kinda groups are a disgrace!! the whole idea of nasheeds is not to use music or instruments and should not resemble western music! im afraid to say many nasheed artists these days such as 786 are using music and istruments creating no difference between them and the kaffirs.

On a more positive note there are many excellent nasheed artists such as kamal uddin and zain bikha who have beautfiul voices and know the true meaning of nasheeds.


IVE JUST READ WOT U ROTE 4 786 AND I TINK DAT IF THEY DONT PRODUCE MUSIC LIKE DIS THAT YOUNG PEOPLE WONT LISTEN ANASHEEDS.
AND YEH ZAIN IS GREAT ... BUT ANSWER DIS DO U TINK DAT YNG PEOPLE WILL LISTEN 2 WAT HE HAS TO SAY ?..........LET ME ANSWER DAT 4 U IDNT TINK SO!!!
ASSALUM ALIKUM

[muslim_sis]

they kinda tend to imitate the kufar , and most of their ''nasheed'' have intruments int hem , even the version thats only meant to be drums !! and if one wants to attain jannah they will try to stay clear from haram and take the prophet (saw) advise ... as Bro As salafi reminded us :

Nabi (S.A.W) has said: "There will be a people of my Ummah (nation) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine - drinking and the use of musical instruments." (Bukhari - 837 /2)

oh allah do not misguide us once u have guided us and have mercy on us , AMEEN

[Akib]

they kinda tend to imitate the kufar , and most of their ''nasheed'' have intruments int hem , even the version thats only meant to be drums !! and if one wants to attain jannah they will try to stay clear from haram and take the prophet (saw) advise ... as Bro As salafi reminded us :

Nabi (S.A.W) has said: "There will be a people of my Ummah (nation) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine - drinking and the use of musical instruments." (Bukhari - 837 /2)

oh allah do not misguide us once u have guided us and have mercy on us , AMEEN

I agree and i read this exact hadith in a book about music in islam. Nobody could argue with what prophet (S.A.W.) said.

[xs11ax]

salaam

my first post on ummah and i am sorry if it sounds kinda harsh but it needs to be said.

throughout history and throughout the lives of the sahabah and our pious predecessors music and dancing has been haraam. in fact music and dancing are one of the acts that the sahabas sacrificed their lives in jihad in order to put a stop to them. these acts were carried out by the pagans of makkah in the enclosure of the haram and ultimatly were stopped by the blessed Prophet of Allah (saw).

how can anyone read the following hadith and say they are muslim but consider music halaal........

Nabi (S.A.W) has said: "There will be a people of my Ummah (nation) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the wearing of silk, wine - drinking and the use of musical instruments." (Bukhari - 837 /2)

do some people think that they know more about the Deen than the Prophet of Allah (saw). do some of you spotty faced teens (no offence to the good spotty faced teen!) think you know better than the beloved of Allah. do you know better than Abubakr, Umar, Uthman, Ali and the other companions!

mountains may move and the sky may tumble on our heads but the words of the Messenger (saw) will never cease to be true. how dare you try to make out my Prophet (saw) to be a liar and a deciever. was the Prophet lying when he said music was haraam! no! that can never be! but in fact you people are the liars if you seek to make the haraam into halaal.

this dancing and music has become such a fitnah that it needs to be stopped as it is permeating into the heart of the muslims. it needs to be stopped in whatever way possible. be it by talk or by force.

anyway i know i have not explained the prohibition of music properly but anyone with a bit of sense should realise that music and dancing is haraam.

[Mr ®hizomati©]

Thank you very much for your interesting discussions. I’d like to take this in a slightly different direction, but one which I believe ties in with this topic title: 786. What do these mystical numbers signify and from where do they originate? Who initiated that practice of heading correspondence with these numbers and do they have any real Islamic significance?

[masum2u]

Assalamu 'Alaykum


From what i have gained...is that 786 is actually the ''Harafs'' of Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem.

and it actually orginates from the early turks/kurds....who got this out, and it spread like wildfire...thats why in many leaflets/posters/restaurant menu's you will probably see the numbers 786....

Let me tell everyone, 786 does not stand for Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem, in fact there can be no alternatives to Bismillah.....you should naver ever confuse yourself with these numbers....for they are only the harafs....not the actual sentence....what can there be better than Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem.....this is clearly innovation (Bid'ah), when ppl use this term ''786'' as Bismillah....some modern muslims nowadays think ''786'' is a fashion....my advice to them would be to go and be to put onions in your eyes and learn, what is Haqq and what is Baatil....

Coz the way things are going we are forgetting our Prophet (PBUH) examples....and taking on board examples/rulings of dodgy scholars....there is a lot of them nowadays.....so avoid them! For they will lead you to no good....they will allow you to sing and dance just like the Kuffar, they will permit you to sing Christmas carols in your school with non-muslim children....and they will give these rulings out...as if giving out some cookies to some children!!! So beware of them!!!


What is dobtful, stays doubtful....no alterations may be made to them....

So stay away from this new modern trends....it is Shaytaan playing snooker with you...you are the balls...and he is putting each one of us into the holes of the snooker table!!! So be alert and aware.

Fi amanillah

Wassalaam

[Akib]

Salaamualaikum,

100% pure explaination brother masum. If we could make Bismillahir rahmanir Rahmanir Rahim into numbers why not make the name of Allah into numbers(astagfirullah)? never!!!!!
EVER!!! No offense to anybody, but i think the ppl who uses numbers or symbols instead of the actual Islamic word or phrase, they have a lack of knowledge about Islam. is it so hard to say the actual islamic word? Why not start saying hi instead of Assalamualaikum because hi is shorter. No way!! This madness gotta http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon22.gif.
Hopefully all of us will understand sooner of later.
Inshallah.

Asslaamualaikum

[Mr ®hizomati©]

Please excuse my ignorance, masum2u, but what do you refer to when you say ’harafs’?

I agree that we should prefer full Islamic words & phrases to numeric or symbolic representations of them, but many times these help us in opening our minds in a way literal approaches cannot achieve. They also allow us to concentrate our focus: in a similar way to how we do not pray to a meteorite when we face in the Kaba’s direction, but we use it to intensify our worship of Allah t’allah. To an outsider with no understanding of Islam, however, we may look no better than pagan Canaanites who venerated standing stones as symbols of their gods.

Symbols, of course, carry their downsides too: we may end up losing sight of the signified (concept, in this case dhikr–Allah) and concentrate solely on the signifier (name, sound or image representing the signified). A potent example: early Christianity used the Trinity as a purely symbolic notion to allow Christians to understand God. Time, along with Western Christians who didn’t understand this symbolic significance, turned it into a literal truth!

[masum2u]

Assalamu 'Alaykum

of course this not ignorance brother....this is for 'ilm and aquiring it...

harafs mean...you know...the Zer, Pesh, Hamza alif.....etc in the arabic language....to make the 'oo'' 'aa'' ''ee''' sounds....

JazakAllah Khayr for the little explanation about paganism....we know very well, we do not worship the ka'bah...it is a sanctuary....and in it is the holy black stone....which was sent down from the heavens....etc.....and of course.....the ka'bah is used for concentration in Salaah.....

And as for numerical and symbols.....and copying other religions thoughts and ideas.....Islam does not need any backings or qoutations from other holy scriptures....We have our Qur'an and Hadith and we have scholars to guide us.......our Faith is complete.....its not half....nor is it quarter. So brother i will tell you what Zakir Naik had said in his talk ''Concept of God''....keep to the foundations....then structure will always remain strong....

Don'ot get in blind belief of 786 as Bismillah.....this is total bogus....instead use the PROPER word for it!!!!! There is no significanse of the number....no hadith......no sahih scholars back it in any way......only dodgy ones do. We should stay steadfast and follow the example of our Prophet(swt) and no other....

Hope this benefits inshaAllah

Anything good i said is from Allah(swt) and anything wrong or bad is from me and my mistakes inshaAllah

Allah knows best (Allahu a'lam)

Fi amanillah

Wassalaam

[~~*JaMiLa*]

i don't understand how anyone could possibly replace the Qur'anic text or any other relevant arabic recitation with numbers. nobody is ever going to sit down to read Qur'an or make salaat and recite a set a #s... "786, 66, 52, 11"... it would sound like a quarterback calling plays in a football game. it's nonsense. numbers will never take the place of arabic recitation. we simply use 786 as a reminder that we wish to do everything in the name of Allah (SWT), inshaAllah.

the commentary below on the use of numerical shorthand is quoted from http://www.mail-archive.com/msa_ec@...m/msg03361.html


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"G. OBJECTIONS TO USING NUMBERS AND THEIR ANSWERS

Using the numerical values, the word Allah adds up to 66. Bismillah AlRahmaan AlRaheem, adds up to 786. Mohammed adds up to 92. Wahid equals 19. There have been objections that the use of 786 (or other numbers) to write Rukya / Taweez is incorrect. The objections and their answers are as below :-

Objection # 1
This is a Bidat. It was not done before.

The Answer
Numerology existed before the advent of Qur'an. Therefore it is not something new. The Sahaba were the first to use numerology in writing Rukya.

Objection # 2
The Holy Prophet Mohammed and Prophet Sulaiman (peace and blessings be upon them) did not write 786 in the letters they wrote to the kings or queens. Instead they used the full words "Bismillah AlRahmaan AlRaheem."

The Answer
The answer is very simple. The infidels who got these letters for the first time, would never be able to understand what "786" meant. The Bismillah was written in order for them to understand it, and to know that the letters are coming from the Prophets, who are the bondmen of Allah.


Objection # 3
People will start replacing the Bismillah with the numbers 786 in the Holy Qur'an.

The Answer
No one will ever do that, because the Holy Qur'an is meant to be read.

Objection # 4
786 is also the numerical total of the words Hari Krishna (a Hindu deity). It will therefore lead to blasphemy.

The Answer
This is absolutely wrong. The (I) after Hari is not a vowel like (Ya) in Arabic. It is the equivalent of "Kasra" (Zer) which has no value in numerology. So too is the (I) in word Krishna. Further, the letter (N) is not the 'noon' we know in Arabic – in fact it has no equivalent in Arabic at all!. The (a) in word Krishna is not a vowel like (alif or hamzah) in Arabic. So the total of the words Hari Krishna would not be 786.

There is no danger of blasphemy here. The objection that it may become blasphemy if the numbers match, is so absurd it makes one wonder. For example, when the polytheists of Mecca accepted Allah to be one more God (in addition to the numerous they had), did the Holy Prophet stop calling the real God as Allah? If the polytheists of this age start praying to their deities in the manner we offer our Salat, will then our Salat become a blasphemy? If the above were true, should we then remove the number '1' (one) from the digits because Allah is One? Or remove the number '19' (nineteen) from the digits because Allah is Wahid which totals 19? Or remove the number '66' (sixty-six) from the digits because the word Allah totals 66? Or remove the number '786' from the digits because Bismillah adds up to 786?

Thousands of Christians gather to hear the Pope every year. Millions of Hindus attend the Kumbh Mela and take a dip in the river Ganges. Does this mean we should stop
performing Hajj, or stop taking a bath in a river? The Christians preach Christianity, the Hindus their own religion. Does it mean that we should stop preaching Islam?

Should we stop calling Allah as "Rahmaan" because the polytheists also call their idols merciful? Should we stop calling Allah "Great" because the polytheists call their idols great? The list is endless, and the objection extremely senseless.

Objection # 5
If one fears abuse of the letter, etc. 'Bismillaah al-Rahmaan al-Raheem' should be recited verbally at the beginning of the letter which will suffice for the written script.

The Answer
What if you want to write the Bismillah or other words for cure? Just reciting them will not make a written Rukya.

Objection # 6
People do not put their trust in Allah, but put their trust in the Rukya itself.

The Answer
This is an objection against using Rukya, not for using numbers in them. It has already been established that using Rukya is a Sunnah of the Holy Prophet as well as the Sahaba. People believe that the Rukya is a means and its effect is given by Allah, which is already explained in the previous paragraphs.

And Allah knows best.

May Allah keep us on the Straight Path – Aameen"[/QUOTE]

[Refugee]

As music is haram in islam, listening to thier 2nasheeds" would also be constituted as haram I guess, so I would advise everyone to not listen to them.


Good point - i go along with that

[Black_Flag]

786 remind me of the backstreet boys for some reason....islamicfied version!

[masum2u]

Assalamu 'Alaykum

It is much wise to be on the safe side than be very very sorry.

It is best to use the correct trminology ''Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem''...nothing can be better than this nor can replace it!!!!!!!! inshaAllah!!!

Please be very careful when you post things like 786 is not Bid'ah......for it is most surely Bid'ah.....why would you want to use 786 in the first place??? Allah(swt) instructed us to use the proper phrase ''Bismillahir Rahmaanir Raheem'' Well, if you are crazy then you would use 786, i can totally understand that.

Fi amanillah

Wassalaam

[Quest]

Who ever they are, what ever they do, they are under the illution that its possitive, and good for the ummah. Unless u can speak to them one on one, and give them a good nasisah, tell them do nasheeds not like this, but like that, show them why their way is wrong. instead of telling them its wrong, u will hopefully succeed.

Sitting here and speaking ill of them is a disgrace, and un islamic. ALLAH said do not laugh, mock or defame each other, ill seeming is a name conoting evil.

If u have nothing good to say please guys keep quiet.
no matter how u sugar coat it, u are back biting. and the fact is they are not here to defend themselves.

Imagine they think they are not doing wrong, then somehow they stumble accross this site, and blam they see what their own brothers and sisters are saying about them, what would the result be ?

In a nut shell they will be hurt,

"The muslim does not hurt a muslim" prophet mohammed scw

there is a difference between, critisism and ridiculing, go figure.

in any case its not islamic to criticise behind someones back.

Remember when logic fails to open the mind, compassion opens the heart.
i will keep my views regarding 786 to myself. and reveal them when & if i ever meet them.

Kind Regards
Q

[acer]

i belive 786 are haraam to listen to. the ulimah strongly support this.

[Abu Mus'ab]

We all know that a long time ago already *Roll Eyes*

[LightfromHeaven]

here we go again

people pllz if you dont have anything good to say ,keep it quite and let Allah judge them for what they do

[hkrespect]

asalamu alaikum

may Allah guide us all, ameen

music is haraam, the numbers 786 are a biddah- correct?

ruqiyah - u recite Quran then blow over water - correct?

since when was writing numbers on paper and eatin them used?

pls correct me


ws

[Al Qadr]

Palestine will never be theirzzzzzzzzzz

[Syeda15]

Asalamu Alaikum my brothers and sisters.
Mas-Allah im glad to hear you all disagree with 'musical intruments' in nasheeds!! :up: Its been 3 months since i OFFICIALLY stopped listening to ANY music and songs (incd>hindi & english!)!! :coolbro: Insh-Allah we will have the will to fight agains our Nafs!

I boycott all those wannabe nasheed artists who are confused and only 'sinning'! Listen to 'how can you deny' by; nobeatsnecessary (soo goood & appropiate)

k peace out!