British Muslim Prisoners Threatened With Death In Egypt

[Hafsah]

BRITISH MUSLIM PRISONERS THREATENED WITH DEATH IN EGYPT

Allah (swt) says: "O you who (claim to) believe! Stand up as witnesses
for God in all fairness, and do not let hatred of a people lead you
to injustice in treating them. Be just: this is closest to piety and
be aware of Allah. Surely Allah is aware of all that you do." (5:8)

Three British men: Maajid Nawaz (27, married with one child), Ian
Nisbet (30, married with one child) and Reza Pankhurst (30, married
with two children) were arrested in 2002, tortured and eventually
charged and sentenced to 5 years for the crime of carrying peaceful
political thoughts. They are in Torah Prison Complex, Cairo.

They have now been threatened by the Prison Authorities with death!
The Governor of the Prison threatened to kill them in front of
witnesses, and has done little to convince us they won't carry it
out. The fear exists that there will be less sympathy for them, or
that the attention of the Foreign & Commonwealth Office (FCO) and
media is diverted due to the recent atrocities in London, possibly
allowing the military regime in Egypt even more impunity than usual.

The situation is dire. It would be extremely helpful if anyone
reading this called up the FCO, Egyptian Embassy and Netherlands
Embassy to ask for an explanation about this. Apparently prison
authorities claimed that the (British) Embassy was consulted before
Ian Nisbet was placed in the illegal and inhumane punishment cell.
Ian Nisbet along with Hisham Diab, a Dutch citizen, have been
locked in solitary confinement with no lights, no toilet, no fans,
and at a temperature of more than 40 degrees C for simply disputing
with an officer.

For full point-by-point details and a sample letter that you could
send to the FCO and embassies, please contact:

Tel: 0845 456 1791 (UK local rate) / +44 20 7785 6338 (from abroad)
Mobile: 07956 574 066 (brother of a prisoner)
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Laywer's Address: Fair Trials Abroad, 3rd Floor, Downstream Building,
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[IamKoE]

What are the chance of you posting this because the men are Muslims, not because they are British. :)

[Black_Rose]

What are the chance of you posting this because the men are Muslims, not because they are British. :)

And your point it what? That Muslims care about other Muslims? *shock horror*

Alhamdulillah! :)

[Hafsah]

What are the chance of you posting this because the men are Muslims, not because they are British. :)

the government doesn't care about the men and they're british...so why the hell should i care that they're british??? they're muslim and thats enough for me to care

[IamKoE]

And your point it what? That Muslims care about other Muslims? *shock horror*

Alhamdulillah! :)

Well then perhaps you should tell people who bash westerners of only caring for themselves and not others. :)

[Black_Rose]

Our non-Muslim users seem to really have problems making distinctions between things.

Who said Muslims ONLY care about Muslims?

Maybe you should be more precise in your interpretation of the English language?

[IamKoE]

Our non-Muslim users seem to really have problems making distinctions between things.

Who said Muslims ONLY care about Muslims?

Maybe you should be more precise in your interpretation of the English language?

I am just trying to make a point here that Westerners care more about themselves than others, just as Muslims care more about themselves when comparing to their care for Kaffirs.

[Black_Rose]

Being a Westerner and being a Muslim are not two mutually exclusive things.. unless you're prejudiced and slightly warped.

[pamwechete]

On a British level this seems wrong but the men are practising Muslims and this form of death would qualify as martyrdom which entails a number of perks in the afterlife according to Islamic lore so we should not be too hasty to intervene without having first confirmed the individuals concerned don't actually belive in the whole "martyrdom thing" first.

[Proud_2B_Muslim]

On a British level this seems wrong but the men are practising Muslims and this form of death would qualify as martyrdom which entails a number of perks in the afterlife according to Islamic lore so we should not be too hasty to intervene without having first confirmed the individuals concerned don't actually belive in the whole "martyrdom thing" first.

What are you talking about?? The sister is pointing out that a great injustice is being done and yet it's okay because they're Muslims and they'll supposedly receive all these good things in the afterlife?

Regardless of whatever good Allah may reward these gentlemen with, it is inhumane to put them to death for no reason.

[pamwechete]

What are you talking about?? The sister is pointing out that a great injustice is being done and yet it's okay because they're Muslims and they'll supposedly receive all these good things in the afterlife?

Regardless of whatever good Allah may reward these gentlemen with, it is inhumane to put them to death for no reason.

It's inhumane certainly. However if they turn out to be desirious of "martyrdom" then it would be wrong to intervene. Without establishing whether they reject or accept the concept of martyrdom and whether they desire that state for themselves it would be culturally clumsy to assume they actually want "saving" from martydom by the British Foreign office who they would regard as kaffirs. It might be religiously insensitive is what I'm saying.

[Hafsah]

It's inhumane certainly. However if they turn out to be desirious of "martyrdom" then it would be wrong to intervene. Without establishing whether they reject or accept the concept of martyrdom and whether they desire that state for themselves it would be culturally clumsy to assume they actually want "saving" from martydom by the British Foreign office who they would regard as kaffirs. It might be religiously insensitive is what I'm saying.

what do you mean by :


whether they reject or accept the concept of martyrdom


????

they did not go to egypt on so called martyrdom missions/suicide missions or whatever you wanna call them...so why even bring it up???

and if you actually looked into the case...you'd know that they themselves..along with their families want to be released and are constantly highlighting the plight of many like them in the similar position..so what exactly is your point?

[pamwechete]

what do you mean by :



????

they did not go to egypt on so called martyrdom missions/suicide missions or whatever you wanna call them...so why even bring it up???

and if you actually looked into the case...you'd know that they themselves..along with their families want to be released and are constantly highlighting the plight of many like them in the similar position..so what exactly is your point?

These people are HT, they chose to go to a country where HT is banned and make trouble. They clearly knew that given the regime in question they would likely be killed. HT's position on "martyrdom" being a good thing is clear and repeated.

We should not interfere in this matter, they have chosen a path and to get involved would be neo-colonialist.

[Guardian Hijab]

These people are HT, they chose to go to a country where HT is banned and make trouble. They clearly knew that given the regime in question they would likely be killed. HT's position on "martyrdom" being a good thing is clear and repeated.

We should not interfere in this matter, they have chosen a path and to get involved would be neo-colonialist.
Oh shut upppppppppp

This thread is about saving these Muslims from being murdered

you know what? Lets make this more apealing to you k?:)

British Anglican Prisoners Threatened With Death In Egypt

Now is this right? no, is it still right if they are muslim? no

So there, hope yee understand eh mate

[Hafsah]

These people are HT, they chose to go to a country where HT is banned and make trouble. They clearly knew that given the regime in question they would likely be killed. HT's position on "martyrdom" being a good thing is clear and repeated.

We should not interfere in this matter, they have chosen a path and to get involved would be neo-colonialist.

given your justification...then when british troops die abroad why make a big fuss??? they went to war...they should expect to die???? what kinda justification is that?????

so tom hurndalls family should be happy with the measly 8yr sentence the isreali soldier who killed him got???he went to 'isreal' to help palestinians...he should have known there was a risk he'd get shot...so why should the british government and british people care?? he chose his own path???

journalists and workers who get kidnapped and killed in iraq? did they choose their path aswell???

oh and that girl wearing the short skirt and tight revealing top that got raped...well she knew she was being provocative...but she chose to dress like that? so she chose her path and has to live with it????

[pamwechete]

given your justification...then when british troops die abroad why make a big fuss??? they went to war...they should expect to die???? what kinda justification is that?????

so tom hurndalls family should be happy with the measly 8yr sentence the isreali soldier who killed him got???he went to 'isreal' to help palestinians...he should have known there was a risk he'd get shot...so why should the british government and british people care?? he chose his own path???

journalists and workers who get kidnapped and killed in iraq? did they choose their path aswell???

oh and that girl wearing the short skirt and tight revealing top that got raped...well she knew she was being provocative...but she chose to dress like that? so she chose her path and has to live with it????

You appear to be a Muslim, so you should understand the delicate balance between enforcing British supremacy over client governments and the sensitivites of the Arab street. If we go barging in denying these chaps their desired martyrdom then we could well inflame anti-British sentiment. Non martyrdom-fond British citizens are obviously a different cup of tea, but these chaps are signed up to the whole martyrdom thing so broadly we should sit this one out. To intervene would put us in the light of crusading oppressors who deny the right of HT members to choose martyrdom as an elective option (purely for the sake of their God obviously otherwise it all gets negated sharia wise).

[Salman Al-Farsi]

You appear to be a Muslim, so you should understand the delicate balance between enforcing British supremacy over client governments and the sensitivites of the Arab street. If we go barging in denying these chaps their desired martyrdom then we could well inflame anti-British sentiment. Non martyrdom-fond British citizens are obviously a different cup of tea, but these chaps are signed up to the whole martyrdom thing so broadly we should sit this one out. To intervene would put us in the light of crusading oppressors who deny the right of HT members to choose martyrdom as an elective option (purely for the sake of their God obviously otherwise it all gets negated sharia wise).

Your just another racist thug. And what you think or not is at least not appreciated in this thread.

so move on.

[pamwechete]

Your just another racist thug. And what you think or not is at least not appreciated in this thread.

so move on.

You're of the view that steadfast HT Muslims should grovel to the British "kuffar regime" who are not very popular with HT according to their literature?

Interesting.

[Marwan]

I can understand if there is an obvious dichotomy but the scenario as I see it is quite contrasting from the image pamwechete is offering. British authorities have lumped all detainees under the HT & al-Muhajiroon banner, which denotes a hidden agenda of some kind. If Prisoner *X* had tea with members of HT, sang at their wedding, attended their place of worship, would that prisoner be a member of HT? Some people would say yes. Similiar to how Daniel Pipes is accusing Muslim Charity donations, Human Rights Organizations (CAIR) or societies (ISNA) of offering a haven for terrorists, fugitives and refugees.

Jamal Badawi, one of the more vocal speakers on Islam in Canada, sits on the ISNA board as well as the Madrassah of Halifax board. Both organizations had annual meetings and conferences. Conferences which "members of al-Qaida" attended.

If British authorities continue to harass, interrogate and incarcerate people under the suspicion that they were "accessories to terrorism", Tony Blair is not far from the catch.

[pamwechete]

I can understand if there is an obvious dichotomy but the scenario as I see it is quite contrasting from the image pamwechete is offering. British authorities have lumped all detainees under the HT & al-Muhajiroon banner, which denotes a hidden agenda of some kind. If Prisoner *X* had tea with members of HT, sang at their wedding, attended their place of worship, would that prisoner be a member of HT? Some people would say yes. Similiar to how Daniel Pipes is accusing Muslim Charity donations, Human Rights Organizations (CAIR) or societies (ISNA) of offering a haven for terrorists, fugitives and refugees.

Jamal Badawi, one of the more vocal speakers on Islam in Canada, sits on the ISNA board as well as the Madrassah of Halifax board. Both organizations had annual meetings and conferences. Conferences which "members of al-Qaida" attended.

If British authorities continue to harass, interrogate and incarcerate people under the suspicion that they were "accessories to terrorism", Tony Blair is not far from the catch.

The individuals concerned are all self avowed HT members, in Egypt on HT business, (where HT is banned).

If they choose to do stupid things which common sense says will end in death why should the FCO play nursery nurse to these numpties?