MUST ATTEND: 24 September Demonstration

[witty]

We should ensure a good turn out!


MAB will be co-organising and calling for a national demonstration on the 24th of September, in which the main banners will be in support of our civil liberties, support of the victims of the London bombings, the condemnation of terrorism and the call to show solidarity with the Muslim community in Britain who have been the brunt of a vicious attack from a variety of sectors since the bombings.

The demonstration will also be calling for the withdrawal of our soldiers from Iraq as one solution to the problem persisting there. This demonstration will be used to show national unity and accord on the main and vital issues facing our country, and the importance of having the people, rather than laws and security measures, at the heart of any solution to the problems we face.


Stop the War Coalition with CND and MAB have called a National Demonstration to Stop the Bombings, Stop the War, Bring the Troops Home, Defend Civil Liberties and Defend the Muslim Community. Saturday 24th September, 1pm, Central London. More details and materials available soon.

http://www.stopwar.org.uk/ (http://www.stopwar.org.uk/)

PLEASE TRY AND ATTEND THIS DEMO!

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:up:

[Voyager]

looks like too much going on there!

STOP THE WAR
NO TO TERRORISM
WE WANT NATIONAL UNITY
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WE WANT TERRORISM(in confusion)

lol, joke

InshaAllah it goes well

[Salman Al-Farsi]

The only problem I have is that if this event is not organised properly, it can be very damaging.

In all the previous MAB/STWC demos there have been disorders, flag burnings, people getting over emotional etc, this kind of bad publicity we cant afford this time.

[witty]

In all the previous MAB/STWC demos there have been disorders, flag burnings, people getting over emotional etc, this kind of bad publicity we cant afford this time.

precisely. Ignorance is our downfall, and if we let lunatics ransack the demo, then nonmuslims who actually work towards ensuring that our civil liberties are not limited further, such as CAMPACC and Stop the War etc, will be tainted with a bad image in the press etc.

[Voyager]

i remember that, I was there on the flag burning one aswell. I came home thinking the event was overall very successful. I saw the news and all it showed was a little clip of the crowd and spent the rest showing the flag burning and talking about that :(

[Salman Al-Farsi]

precisely. Ignorance is our downfall, and if we let lunatics ransack the demo, then nonmuslims who actually work towards ensuring that our civil liberties are not limited further, such as CAMPACC and Stop the War etc, will be tainted with a bad image in the press etc.

not just these orgs, but media will have a field day if some lunacy occurs. :(

[Hafsah]

i remember that, I was there on the flag burning one aswell. I came home thinking the event was overall very successful. I saw the news and all it showed was a little clip of the crowd and spent the rest showing the flag burning and talking about that :(

"radical islamicists burning american flags and calling for death to the USA..." :rolleyes:

[witty]

Details of the event:

Date: 24 September
Time: 12 noon
Assemble: Parliament square at 12 noon - marching to Hyde Park for rally




STOP THE BOMBINGS – STOP THE WAR


Bush & Blair’s "War on Terror" has made the world a more dangerous place. 85 percent of the British people believe that there is a link between the London bombings and the Iraq con. ict. This link is acknowledged by the Joint Terrorism Analysis Centre and the Chatham House think tank.

DEFEND THE MUSLIM COMMUNITY
We reject the view that terrorism is rooted in Muslim fanaticism. It is no more real than saying that George Bush is following a "Christian fundamentalist" foreign policy. Blair’s talk of an "evil ideology" will create a backlash against Muslims. Attacks on Muslims have already increased by 600 percent. It must be said loud and clear: neither Muslims nor Islam are the problem. Terrorism is rooted in real problems here on Earth.




DEFEND CIVIL LIBERTIES

Terrorist organisations can kill and maim but they cannot take away our civil liberties, only our own government can do that. Blair says that he is concerned to "defend our way of life" but his proposals will take away fundamental freedoms. One innocent man has already paid with his life for "increased police powers". If these new measures go through, more injustice will be visited on us all.




BRING THE TROOPS HOME BY XMAS

We must redouble our campaign for the withdrawal of British troops from Iraq. We should do this, not only because of 7 July, but because it is right. It is right because of the 100,000 civilian deaths. Right because of the economic and social chaos after two years of occupation. Right because of the torture and degradation of civilians carried out at Abu Ghraib and Camp Breadbasket. Right because the reasons given for the war have all been shown to be false. Right because the war was illegal, and the occupation is an affront to international law. And right because of the 92 British soldiers killed, and the hundreds wounded.

Please see this link (leaflet) for more details - where possible, please photocopy/print and handout.
http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/StW_24sept_leaflet_low.pdf (http://www.stopwar.org.uk/documents/StW_24sept_leaflet_low.pdf)

[Abdurahman]

Assalaamu Alaikum

Question:

Question: Is it from the means of the da’wah to stage demonstrations for the purpose of solving the problems of the Islaamic Ummah?

Answer:

Our religion is not a religion of chaos. Our religion is a religion of discipline, and a religion of order, and calm, and tranquility. And demonstrations are not from the actions of the Muslims and it is not something the Muslims are familiar with. And the religion of Islaam is a religion of calm, and a religion of mercy, and a religion of discipline; not chaos, and not disorder, and not (a religion) of inciting trials (fitan). And this is the religion of Islaam. And rights are earned by asking for them in the manner legislated by the Shar’iah and through ways legislated by the Shar’iah. And demonstrations cause bloodshed and cause the ruination of wealth (of the Muslims). And these matters are not permissible.

Shaykh Saalih al-Fawzaan

Taken from: Majmoo' Fataawa wa Rasa'il - Volume Two, Number 141, 143, and 146


Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid was asked wether its permissible to demonstrate for the palestinian people. He replied,



"There is nothing wrong with the Muslim community protesting in order to reduce the pressure on the Muslims in Palestine and to draw the attention of the people and government to the crimes which the Jews are committing against the Muslims in Palestine, and using all effective and Islamically-acceptable means of doing so.

But demonstrations may involve a number of things which are forbidden in sharee’ah, so it is essential to guard against them. These include:

Women going out wearing adornment and make-up; using music in the demonstration; shouting slogans that are incorrect, such as “al-Quds (Jerusalem) is Arab and will remain Arab” (in fact, al-Quds is Islamic and is not for the Arabs only); stopping the demonstration in front of a kaafir’s tomb and placing bouquets of flowers on his grave; begging the kaafirs for help by using phrases that are humiliating to the Muslims; holding up pictures or effigies of people; doing wrong to others such as blocking the road or preventing people from passing by; using slanderous and insulting words that are not permitted in sharee’ah; men and women mixing during the demonstration; imitating the kuffaar in any of their unique characteristics such as clothing or symbols that the demonstrators may wear; committing acts of aggression against the property of innocent people, such as destroying their shops or breaking their windows, or starting fires in public facilities, and other haraam actions. And Allaah knows best.

Islam Q&A

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid (www.islam-qa.com (http://www.islam-qa.com/))

Therefore it is better not to attend these demonstrations.

Wallahu A'lam

[witty]

Refrain from nonsense-chatters on here.

1. Palestinians are not the only people dying. There are people dying in Chechnya, Afghanistan and in Africa as a result of AIDS and starvation - niger is one such example.

2. This march is going to be orderly, its not one where people ransack shops and what not and use violence as a means of establishing goals and aims.

[Abdurahman]

Shaykh Ibn al-’Uthaymeen ( may Allah have mercy on him) was asked:

Are demonstrations/protests considered to be a means from the legitimate means of Da’wah?

He replied:

“All praise and thanks are to Allaah, the Lord of the creations, and may He send prayers and peace upon our chief Muhammad, upon his family, and his Companions, and upon those who follow them in righteousness until the Last Day.
As to what follows:

Indeed, the concept of demonstrations is a new, modern issue. It was not known in the time of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه وسلم), nor in the time of the rightly-guided Khalifahs, nor in the time of any of the Companions (رضى الله عنهما).

Furthermore, the chaos and disorder that is included in it make it an impermissible matter, so much so that (in includes acts like) the breaking of glass, doors, etc. Results from it, also included within it, is the mixing between men and women, the youth and the elderly, and similar to that from corruptions and detestable things.

As for the issue of putting pressure upon the government; if it is a Muslim government, then sufficient for it as an admonishment is the Book of Allaah and the Sunnah of His Messenger (صلى الله عليه وسلم). This is the best of what could possibly be brought before any Muslim. If it (the government) is a disbelieving one, then it would not even care about these ‘demonstrators’ and perhaps it would behave politely with them outwardly, while inwardly remaining upon what it was on of evil. For this reason, we hold that demonstrations are detestable actions.

As for their statements that these demonstrations are peaceful ones, then perhaps they may be peaceful in the beginning or the first time, yet then they become destructive. So I advise the youth to follow the path of those who have proceeded, for indeed Allaah (سبحانه وتعالى) has praised the Muhaajireen and the Ansaar and has praised those who followed them in righteousness.”

Taken from aj-Jawaab al-Abhar li Fu'aad Siraaj (Page 75)

Before Britain and America invaded Iraq, numerous demonstrations were held all over the world, with literally millions of people protesting, yet did that stop these to allies of the shaytan invading Iraq? The answer is simple, NO IT DID NOT!!!

Furthermore, it is not from the sunnah to demonstrate, infact it is imitating the Kuffar which we shoud abstain from doing.

Concerning the demonstrations being "peaceful," as the Shaykh explained, "perhaps they may be peaceful in the beginning or the first time, yet then they become destructive." How many times have we seen ignorant Muslims burning flags in demonstrations? how many times have we seen fights breaking out? Demonstrations are not the solution.

So we are advised not to attend these demonstrations as we are imitating the kuffar, going against the sunnah and its a complete waste of time. Any fair minded person knows that demonstrations dont change a thing. The allies of shaytan have already made up their minds, and by demonstrationg/protesting one is simply humiliating oneself.

Wallahu a'lam

Wassalaamu Alaykum

[witty]

^ nonsense.

People like these propose that we sit on our backsides and watch all the worlds wrongs without protesting. Verbal jihad -- which means protesting against ANY wrong that goes on and condemning it loud and clear is an obligation too. Speaking the truth in the face of tyranny is part of Islam.

abdurrahman this isnt a 'learn about islam' thread, do your copy and pasting there, not here - thanks.

[abdusamad]

Demonstration, like that will make any difference, seriously they went to war already, and their excuse is, we can not pull out now... and that excuse will get them through a couple of years, so what they protesting/demostrating for?

Trying to get Bin laden's atttention?

I doubt he will be moved by a demonstration in UK.

The mission of islam is tooo important to worry about demonstration or getting attention of a goverment is killing muslims as we speak.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Demonstration, like that will make any difference, seriously they went to war already, and their excuse is, we can not pull out now... and that excuse will get them through a couple of years, so what they protesting/demostrating for?

Trying to get Bin laden's atttention?

I doubt he will be moved by a demonstration in UK.

The mission of islam is tooo important to worry about demonstration or getting attention of a goverment is killing muslims as we speak.

I agree with you about demos not having any effect really. But at least when millions came on street to demonstrate it created a public opionion which showed the arrogance of Blair and hypocricy of British Govt and its policies. Demos dont solve anything becuase its a political action carried out to create awareness of an idea.

I dont agree with Shaykh Uthaymeen's understanding of demonstration, most demos I have seen have been peaceful and escorted by the police. Infact these fatwas are usually issued by scholars to makesure there is no uprising against the govt/leaders and to stop generating public opinion against the injustices of al-Saud and their selling of Muslim wealth and allowing the US to occupy the holy land.

However what the demonstration stands for, and who is controlling the platform is another issue. With this particular its organised by the socialists and their Muslim supporters. I personally wont encourage people to attend purely on these basis, but people should go there to present the islamic point of view to the kuffar present. InshaAllah.

[Arsalan]

Well at least we might get on TV , no?

[witty]

People on here are so quick to pass judgment on others. It doesnt matter if it makes a difference or not, your duty as a muslim is to help defend civil liberties by whatever LEGAL means possible. Non muslims are marching for YOU.. how shameful indeed!

When imam hussain rose up against Yazid, he only led a small army of whom many deserted in the end, leaving him to fight alongside his sons and close friends. Do we not remember, admire and respect imam hussain for his sacrifice every muharram? Its not always about difference, its about SIGNIFICANCE.

Net-mullahs on ummah, as i have coined them, quickly condemn everyone, are never pleased with ANY action.. you'd just prefer to sit behind a screen and pass judgments. Your inactive, lazy, unwilling to protect any person against injustice and most participate in silly threads with --->> 'heehee' and lots of little hearts and what not.

Grow up.