your opinion: should islamic veils be removed?

[Hafsah]

** Should Islamic veils be removed? **


A Muslim leader has said that Muslim women should not wear headscarves to avoid being attacked. Is he right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/talking_point/4744527.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/talking_point/4744527.stm)

[Niqaabi]

The situation isnt that bad that we should start exposing our bodies.

This Niqaab is staying put.

[Hafsah]

most of the comments are excellent...subhanallaah... a sikh telling zaki badawi:

Sikhs have been targeted since 9/11, mistaken for Muslims. But no one in the community will ever suggest against wearing turbans, so memo to Mr Badawi: regardless of difficult circumstances, stick to your faith, because that's when it truly matters.
Raj, Toronto, Canada

maybe he should take heed :rolleyes:

[Hafsah]

The situation isnt that bad that we should start exposing our bodies.

This Niqaab is staying put.

exactly...theres only been a handful of reports of sisters being attacked ... and subhanallaah...imagine the reward the sisters will get for wearing their hijaab and keeping their eemaan strong even when attacked! may Allaah SWT make it easy for them and reward them for their hardships, Aameen

its absolutely pathetic...the ignorant idiots who would have liked to attack muslims before 7/7 have now got an excuse ... but why should we give into them? thats like saying black or brown people living in racist white areas should do a michael jackson and bleach their skin and hair :rolleyes:

[Mr_Jailer]

What Dr Badawi is advising Muslim women to do is completely wrong. Wearing hijab is something that is obligatory on all Muslim women. If Dr Badawi is so concerned about Muslim women being targeted, maybe he should advise the Muslim women to stay in their homes and keep their hijab and their dignity.
Lauren, Indianapolis, United States

[MG]

walk down the street in a mini-skirt so we can fit in with everyone?

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:


:salams


walk down the street in a mini-skirt so we can fit in with everyone?

No, i think we should all do a Micheal Jackson and colour ourselves 'white' :rolleyes:

:salams

[MG]

:start:


:salams



No, i think we should all do a Micheal Jackson and colour ourselves 'white' :rolleyes:

:salams

hmm...yeh , no moonwalk tho pleeeeease!

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams


hmm...yeh , no moonwalk tho pleeeeease!

How about the message

#Leave me alone, just stop dogging me around# :rolleyes: :p

:salams

[Mr_Jailer]

#Leave me alone, just stop dogging me around# :rolleyes: :p


What r u singin'?

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams


What r u singin'?

Micheal Jackson~Leave me alone :rolleyes:


It was on the moonwalker film. i think he sings it.

:salams

[morphs]

exactly...theres only been a handful of reports of sisters being attacked ... and subhanallaah...imagine the reward the sisters will get for wearing their hijaab and keeping their eemaan strong even when attacked! may Allaah SWT make it easy for them and reward them for their hardships, Aameen

its absolutely pathetic...the ignorant idiots who would have liked to attack muslims before 7/7 have now got an excuse ... but why should we give into them? thats like saying black or brown people living in racist white areas should do a michael jackson and bleach their skin and hair :rolleyes:

so there have only been a handful of attacks. Wow! after 4 bombings and 4 attempted bombings by muslims, there have only been a handful of attacks. I guess the western world is a lot more tolerant than you want to give them credit for.

So, what is pathetic? plese explain further.

[crndvr]

The situation isnt that bad that we should start exposing our bodies.

This Niqaab is staying put.



it doesn't matter is the comit genocide agaisnt trhe entire female ummah...it will NEVER EVER be good enough for you to remove your viel

sence when does humasn threat allow you to disobey Allahs law...do you fear humans more then you fear Allah?

[Hafsah]

so there have only been a handful of attacks. Wow! after 4 bombings and 4 attempted bombings by muslims, there have only been a handful of attacks. I guess the western world is a lot more tolerant than you want to give them credit for.

So, what is pathetic? plese explain further.

i think thats self explanatory

[morphs]

i think thats self explanatory

you make some wide sweeping accusations of white racist areas , yet there have only been a handful of attacks (actually you said reports of attacks) after muslims kill how many? and injure how many? If white were so racist then why are there only a handful of reports? Do you get the disconnect or not?

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

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Dr Badawi's comment is the most intelligent advice to Muslims so far. Even though the Koran talked about the hijab, there is no compulsion to wear it.
Nordin Abdul-Rahman, Kota Kinabalu Malaysia
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:eek3: Say what?

I wrote as well maybe it might appear on the screen later :p

:salams

[Hafsah]

you make some wide sweeping accusations of white racist areas , yet there have only been a handful of attacks (actually you said reports of attacks) after muslims kill how many? and injure how many? If white were so racist then why are there only a handful of reports? Do you get the disconnect or not?

i gave that as an example...i could have said if a white person was in a predominantly asian/black area and feared abuse they should sit in a tanning salon all day.... my point was that people shouldnt change things out of fear ... it wasnt to attack anyone

this thread isnt about racism but about a so called 'cleric' giving advice which most muslims in this country do not agree with

[Niqaabi]

it doesn't matter is the comit genocide agaisnt trhe entire female ummah...it will NEVER EVER be good enough for you to remove your viel

sence when does humasn threat allow you to disobey Allahs law...do you fear humans more then you fear Allah?
did i say i was going to disobey my Lord?
stop trying to twist my words.

[.: Rashid :.]

sence when does humasn threat allow you to disobey Allahs law...do you fear humans more then you fear Allah?

Look at the last sentence on sis Niqaabi's post.


The Niqaab is staying put

-Rashid-

[Niqaabi]

Look at the last sentence on sis Niqaabi's post.



-Rashid-
:Up: remind me to rep you for that bro, some people just come here to start arms. :Rolleyes:

[Khuzamah]

Yeah I think this guy is very misguided in what he has said on this issue... and I agree with all the sis in this thread.
I heard there was a prog on radio 2 about Hijab 2day, I'm guessing due to this joker's new "fatwa" did ne1 hear??
and my hijab is definately staying insha Allah.. i never had any problems with it cos of the bombings and even if I did, as hafsah said - it will stay put and think of the extra reward it will bring u

[As-Salafee]

If we are being oppressed to a point that we are considering to take the hijaabs off, then its best to make hijrah to Dar al-Islam where we can practice much easier.

Surah AN-NISA chapter number 4 verse number 97-99
97. Surely (as for) those whom the angels cause to die while they are unjust to their souls, they shall say: In what state were you? They shall say: We were weak in the earth. They shall say: Was not Allah's earth spacious, so that you should have migrated therein? So these it is whose abode is hell, and it is an evil resort.

98. Except the weak from among the men and the children who have not in their power the means nor can they find a way (to escape);

99. So these, it may be, Allah will pardon them, and Allah is Pardoning, Forgiving.

Wa alaykum as salaam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuh

[.: Rashid :.]

:Up: remind me to rep you for that bro, some people just come here to start arms. :Rolleyes:

Rep me for that :D

-Rashid

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Assalam alaykum

Obviously this individual is very misguided. His argument is based on a twisted interpretation of the Usuli concept known as Maslaha and Rafa Daroora where rukhsa is given.

However there are conditions to when the rukhsa is taken. According to classical scholars such as Imam Azzam said, 'when the throat dries of fear', ash-shafi said: 'when the limb is cut off', imam Ahmed bin hambal said: 'when the blood starts flowing'. etc

When a person is faced with these realities yes if they so wish they can even denoucnce Islam since shariah came to protect the interest of man (maslaha) and life is considered sacred in Islam.

But what these misguided individuals fail to understand is that fear or harm has to me material and physical (haqeeqi) not imaginery (khayaali).

[.: Anna :.]

Assalam alaykum

Obviously this individual is very misguided. His argument is based on a twisted interpretation of the Usuli concept known as Maslaha and Rafa Daroora where rukhsa is given.

wa alaykum salam
lol bro when you say sentences like that you might wanna explain it a little bit for some of us who mite not b so knowledgable as you :p cos I gotta admit I don't exactly know what that means, although the bottom half of ur post is understandable & I agree with u
jazak allah :)

[Salman Al-Farsi]

wa alaykum salam
lol bro when you say sentences like that you might wanna explain it a little bit for some of us who mite not b so knowledgable as you :p cos I gotta admit I don't exactly know what that means, although the bottom half of ur post is understandable & I agree with u
jazak allah :)

Sorry

They are usuli terms bit hard to explain in english.

Maslaha is principle of interest -when a jurist has exhausted all the available 'general principles' from sources of shariah (quran, sunnah, ijma as-sahabah, qayas) he then turns to another method known as 'Maqasid al-shariah' (purpose of shariah), one of the components of this is the interest of man.

Daroora is necessity, this is taken from the example when the propeht (saw) allowed renouncing of faith to save one's life. So the jurists have derived Rukhsa for different realities. for example
its permissable for women to not wear hijaab if a war breaks out, so they can leave their homes to seek a safe abode without worrying about their jilbaab and khimar. (the case of women not beign allowed out without hijaab in the case of fire in saudi recently was a gross misconduct).

We can see there is a stark differnce between these cases of necessity and our reality here in UK.

[marjan]

Islamic veils should wear a niqaab! Shame on them.

[Proud_2B_Muslim]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

I whole-heartedly agree with the consensus that there is absolutely no need for the Muslim women to take off their coverings in light of the recent attacks.

Here in the U.S., after 9/11, a similar fatwa was given.

I think it was mentioned in a similar thread that such a fatwa would only allow an excuse for those Muslimah who are struggling with the hijab in the first place. Unfortunately, there were quite some cases where the Muslim women did, indeed, take off their hijab. And to this day, almost 4 years later, some of those same Muslim women have yet to reclaim the hijab.

An excellent point was made by a brother at our university when he stated it would simply make us Muslims lazy once we stopped performing our fardh.

That's exactly what happened here in America to some Muslim women.

Besides, gosh, the situation in London or the United States is not even comparable to what's happening in numerous other places. There is absolutely no need to cover up our Muslim identity; we have the most perfect way of life given to us by Allah Himself. Let everyone identify us as those following Islam.

Wasalaamu Alaikum

[lonely_me]

Beards next, then the Adhan so as not to sound like an Islamic country and not get attacked... the Islamic names should be changed cuz you may get arrested cuz of your name... my oh my... I don't know what this world is coming to....!

[Irfan GBH]

Beards next, then the Adhan so as not to sound like an Islamic country and not get attacked... the Islamic names should be changed cuz you may get arrested cuz of your name... my oh my... I don't know what this world is coming to....!

Ain't happening...InshAllah we'll be outta here by then!

[Survivor]

No....we aint gonnadiobey Allah just coz of the lunatics

[abdulhakeem]

zaki badawi urges muslims not to wear head scarfs... (zaki badawi urges muslims not to wear head scarfs...)

Fatwa issued to remove hijaab (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62158)

Hate crimes vs Muslims rocket 600 pc in UK (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=62549)

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Dr Suhaib Hassan will be on Islam channel today refuting all of Badawi's arguments. InshaAlah if you have any questions regarding this issue you may call him up :)

channel 836
islamchannel.tv (watch online).

[faqir]

Removing hijab when there is "fear"?

Recently a known British Muslim scholar has been reported in news
stories as
advising women who fear being harmed physically or verbally to remove
their
hijab so as not to be identified by those who are hostile to Muslims.
What
is your opinion on this matter. Can one remove hijab for fear of being
targeted violently by others?

Walaikum assalam wa rahmatullah,

Major scholars of the Muslim world have expressed their dismay at this
statement, and regarding similar statements that ultimately harm the
religious practice of individual Muslims and have a negative effect on
the
recognition of Muslim religious rights.



Why?

(1) Hijab is something personally obligatory, and upholding it in one's
practice is from upholding one's religion--which is the central
objective(maqsid) of the Shariah.

(2) When other matters that the Shariah came to protect--such as life
and
safety--seem to be in threat when upholding religious duties, then one
must
consider whether this threat is true and genuine; and whether it can be
dealt with through reasonable alternatives that allow apholding one's
duties.

(3) The threats to safety can be dealt with by travelling in safe ways;
avoiding being out alone in places where one's safety may be at risk;
and by
wearing clothing that (while fulfilling Islamic rulings of modest,
covering
dress) does not attract 'undue attention' or backlash. It should also
be
noted that a lot of the attacks have simply been on people looking
'ethnic'--even if they weren't dressed 'Islamically', and in some cases
even
when they weren't Muslim in the first place.

(4) The way to deal with challenges to Muslim religious rights isn't to
seek
the path of least resistance but, rather, to stand up for one's
individual
and community rights as citizens of democratic societies that recognize
and
uphold such rights. As such, someone who has reason to fear for their
safety
should seek appropriate recourse with the authorities--and it is only
by
standing up that one's voice will heard and one's rights respected.

And Allah alone gives success.

Faraz Rabbani

[Guardian Hijab]

Asalamualaikum

should islamic veils be removed?

My Lords opinion is all I need

Wa'alaikumasalam

[Free-Bird]

** Should Islamic veils be removed? **


A Muslim leader has said that Muslim women should not wear headscarves to avoid being attacked. Is he right?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/talking_point/4744527.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/1/hi/talking_point/4744527.stm)
Why would any muslimat do that when it is their identity, something where their pride sit in.
But as always the case, they are picking the weakest member of the community and the weakest people to show their strength, Russian and Chinese are too big for that.