High Alert: Muslimah Attacked

[Mr_Jailer]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakatuhu

In the Name of Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem

Please take a few minutes of your time to read through the whole of
this email, for this matter is of the most urgent nature. The reason for this message came about from a discussion with some brothers in Luton who mentioned an incident of a Muslim sister out shopping in Bramingham, Luton, who was attacked becuase she was Muslim.

A group of yobs, on seeing this sister dressed in the Islamic dress and taking full advantage of her being alone assulated her. One of these cowards grabbed her by the throat while another ripped off her headress. They then proceeded to tear of her jilbab (Islamic dress) and malhandled her.

The sister was later admitted into hospital and was diagnosed with three broken ribs. On reporting this incident to the police and giving a statement she was was advised that they could not help as there was no CCTV or video evidence.

All of us are aware of the situation of the Muslim Ummah as a whole and our state of decline, but actions like these CANNOT continue. It is a sad enough a reflection on us that we see the suffering of our mothers, sisters and daughters in lands which are too distant for our hearts, but for this to occur on our own doorstep and for us not to respond is surely a sign of the death of our hearts and the disappearance of all dignity and honour amongst us.


So what can we do?

As muslims, we can only respond within the remit of Islam, therefore rash and emotional responses are ruled out. We need to provide protection prior to these incidents, support during such occurencess and a rapid response afterwards to ensure the protection and sanctity of Muslims.

Over a year ago, the Muslim Community Liaison Unit (MCLU) presented suggestions on how these aims could be met - this is not a sectarian organisation or one with any agenda other than to prevent incidents like these. It provided broad guidelines on how Muslims could protect themselves within the UK and how they could unite to respond to Islamophobic attacks.
The common saying that this could very soon be your brother, sister, mother or father is surely bearing true and these incidents will only increase, in light of the media onslaught and maligning of Islam. The inital MCLU portfolio mentioned a number of action points including:

- Gather contact details for concerned local Muslims who would be willing to help victims within the locality.

- Set up an emergency support number for vulnerable Muslims locally.

- Provide access to professional legal, social and counselling advice.

- Set up a community watch scheme to provide a physical presence at times of risk.

- Arrange visits for victims of such crimes.

- Liaise with official bodies to ensure these incidents do not go on unnoticed.

What should you do right now?

- Reply to this email with your contact details - a phone number, email or address so that you keep in the loop on action points moving forward.

- Forward your suggestions and advice on how to respond to these incidents

- Offer your skills or knowledge in which ever field you can - if you work in IT you can help set up a website to convey this information to Luton residents and other communities, if you are in the council you can offer your knowledge of existing resources, etc. - all skills can be put to use.

- AT THE VERY LEAST, if you are not going to respond to this email with any of the above, forward this mail on to those you know who may have the honour to respond to this call and defend the vulnerable and oppressed.

--
Please remember us in your dua

Wa assalam
Abdul Ghafoor - salahudeen@gmail.com

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:wswrwb:

:crying: SubhanAllah

Why why why???

:spunch: Somebody should rip those Khanzeer apart. Let them come to a male member of my family, they won't even hear of the word 'ribs' let alone how many.

Those lanathi, to attack my sister in Islam i feel hurt esp when they assaulted her ina disgusting fashion by pulling her Hidjaab off, 3 broken ribs? :ahb:

I am upset. very upset. These yobs have nothing better to do,

Oh Allah Bless Muhammad :saw: and the children of Muhammad :saw: as you've blessed Ibrahim (AS) and his children for you are undoubtedly the praise worthy the glorious.

Oh Allah protect my ummah, shield us and preserve our dinity and honour. Shower us in your Rahmah and let us have enough courage to stand up to falsehood. Give us the strength to stand up to falsehood. AMEEN

:salams

[NaDiA!]

how convinient there were no cctv's around there!!!

[MG]

May Allah ease the suffering of the ummah and give us the strength and patience to get through these difficult times.Ameen

[Chained_Water]

- Gather contact details for concerned local Muslims who would be willing to help victims within the locality.

- Set up an emergency support number for vulnerable Muslims locally.

- Provide access to professional legal, social and counselling advice.

- Set up a community watch scheme to provide a physical presence at times of risk.

- Arrange visits for victims of such crimes.

- Liaise with official bodies to ensure these incidents do not go on unnoticed.




This is exactly the kind of stuff suggested in the thread I created about this! ..it's just a matter of people actually DOING IT!


Ameen@dua's.. :( awful experience for the sister..

[imran1976]

so that's the best these brave kaffirs can come with, attacking a woman.....:mad:

[MG]

so that's the best these brave kaffirs can come with, attacking a woman.....



exactly, and theh funny thing is, they go on about how Badly Islam treats women, i say it always and i say it again, hypocrites!:mad:

[Mr_Jailer]

This is exactly the kind of stuff suggested in the thread I created about this! ..it's just a matter of people actually DOING IT!


Ameen@dua's.. :( awful experience for the sister..

Where's the link?

[imran1976]

exactly, and theh funny thing is, they go on about how Badly Islam treats women, i say it always and i say it again, hypocrites!:mad:

the sisters shud be careful & not go out alone......

[MG]

the sisters shud be careful & not go out alone......


some times its difficult bro, we cant always have someone with us.

I personally dont go out unless i really really have to.

[Mr_Jailer]

So what can we do?

As muslims, we can only respond within the remit of Islam, therefore rash and emotional responses are ruled out.

:(

Personally, I would've smashed their faces no matter what injuries / damage I sustain :@

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

You can defend yourself and if one dies they die a Martyr, who the hell do they think we are? Are we their punching bags cuz some of them haven't had their daily fix cuz they have no money, those chavs can think again.


Allah is my guardian and my defender, if they think of taking off my Hidjaab i'd make sure somehow their reproduction system was damaged... permanently :mujahida:

:salams

[Chained_Water]

:start:

:salams

You can defend yourself and if one dies they die a Martyr, who the hell do they think we are? Are we their punching bags cuz some of them haven't had their daily fix cuz they have no money, those chavs can think again.


Allah is my guardian and my defender, if they think of taking off my Hidjaab i'd make sure somehow their reproduction system was damaged... permanently :mujahida:

:salams

:wswrwb:

On Allah(swt) let the believers rely! :up:

:ahb: :mujahida:

[witty]

I've not heard anything about this.. but if its definately true then its a very sad story.

The girl should try and get the muslim media to cover her story i.e. muslim weekly, muslim news, Q news, emel, and all the others too. And then perhaps broaden the story - to publicise it, so that those muslims who are asleep or the ones who call for fatwa's to remove the hijab and in a sense, give in to pressure, realise the bravery of such people. :)

[Phoenix CG]

I heard there was a muslimah was shot in london and is now in a comma

[Waheed]

I am so angry, I think it's time for Jihad. What right have the Kuffirs got to deprive us Muslims of their right to dress accordingly with our faith? It is the same as stopping Muslims worshiping, it is perfectly acceptable to declare a Jihad against the Kuffirs for that alone. A sister has been degraded in one of the worst possible way by those things, we must do something, attack one Muslim attack us all!

[Voyager]

I am so angry, I think it's time for Jihad. What right have the Kuffirs got to deprive us Muslims of their right to dress accordingly with our faith? It is the same as stopping Muslims worshiping, it is perfectly acceptable to declare a Jihad against the Kuffirs for that alone. A sister has been degraded in one of the worst possible way by those things, we must do something, attack one Muslim attack us all!

be careful in what you say bro, you know some people would love for us to make such comments so that they can break open your door and arrest you in suspicion of whatever crap they want.

Also, lets not be naive too, it makes me feel sick and useless when i hear this, but lets speak of Jihad in its full meaning not war, lets fight this in the way we can, people have mentioned watch groups, and such above, so that protection is available.

For people living in areas where such stuff is occuring, i don't think it will be too hard in setting this up, this concerns our whole ummah, please try and work with the masjids and try and set something up, Jummah is a perfect time to get the attention of all the brothers in your locality, if everyone just leaves their name, address and phone numbers, and even email addresses, they can try set up a local network for muslims. They can organise walkarounds, especially dangerous areas and much more. If this works out then you could join with other mosques around you and people living in their locality.

Actually I take that back, this will be hard to set up, but your efforts won't go to waste, if you are not successful in this then there will atleast be hope for more of the Ummah waking up and inshaAllah moe people will help.

do what you can for your brothers and sisters around you, if you are finding it hard to care about such actions by these disgusting b******* on brothers and sisters in your ummah, then try and imagine them being your family and your sisters. It shouldn't really have to be like that though.

[Ebony]

Where's the link?

What Do We Do Now? (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=61849)

[Bubba]

Maybe the people in this area can have a service where single ladys or older women could call to the masjid office and they could send someone to walk them or escort them to the market or even have a market shopping group where people can go together . There is always more safety in numbers compared to being alone. There are many older ladys who have no protectors so it is the responsibility of all Muslims to protect them. Just make sure everyone involved is a good and honerable Muslim as you wouldnt want to compound the problem.

[azureal]

Maybe the people in this area can have a service where single ladys or older women could call to the masjid office and they could send someone to walk them or escort them to the market or even have a market shopping group where people can go together . There is always more safety in numbers compared to being alone. There are many older ladys who have no protectors so it is the responsibility of all Muslims to protect them. Just make sure everyone involved is a good and honerable Muslim as you wouldnt want to compound the problem.

if a woman goes in a group with other woman..they can go out without a man, even on hajj.

and a group is 3 or more

[azureal]

I am so angry, I think it's time for Jihad. What right have the Kuffirs got to deprive us Muslims of their right to dress accordingly with our faith? It is the same as stopping Muslims worshiping, it is perfectly acceptable to declare a Jihad against the Kuffirs for that alone. A sister has been degraded in one of the worst possible way by those things, we must do something, attack one Muslim attack us all!

phsyical jihad over material matters is never as good as jihad to defned the Realigion


and i am sorry, put a woman being attacked is not an offence against our religion, it is an offence agaisnt a woman, now, i am nto syaing don';t care foir your sisters, of course you care, but it is definatly not enough to call it a jihad.

now, when a deviant like Ibn ********* writes a tafseer claimeing that Allah has parts, and he starts a following like the salafies, who believe Allah has parts, THEN you have the right to declare jihad, becasue it is this following that will distort the Name and Attributes of Allah, it is these deviants, and kafirs, they destroy the honor of the true Salaf, and it is these deviants that Deface our Prophet Sallalllahu Alayhi wa Salaam, and mock him and all that he teaches, it is these deviants that are worse than every jew, if they were jinn, then i would say they are equal to shaiton, but alas, they are not...

These are the people, that - on the day of judgement - the cool breeze of the sun will not cool the flames that they bathe in. it is these deviants, the Whahabies [salafies] that will be in the fire for ever, becasue they attribute to Allah that which is nto attributed or befiting to him.

They say he has a hand, but not like ours, but Lo!, they do nto realize that 'the hand is nto like ours' is not the point, but the fact that they say Allah has parts IS, a hand is a part, no matyter what KIND of hand, it will always be a part, They say he has a face, but not like ours, but Lo!, they forget that a face is a part. In thier own stupidty and ignorance, they do slander Against Allah and they know it not. blinded they are, but the obvious, they cannot even comprehend the inner menaing of the Ayyats, Allahs curse be upon anyone who clamies that Allah is attributed with parts.

And this is enough to condem them. and it is kufr and blasphemy againt Allah.

and what suprises me, is you young jihadist folk over look the fact that people slander you Rabb under your noses, and you pay more attention to the meaneal problems, like what the Kafir saays abotu you...


open your eyes, it doesn't matter what the kafir do, it does matter that people slander Allah, and you sit there and sya" shhh!, you cannot talk bad, who are you to judge?"...Allah has told us in the Quran that he is attributed with Oness, so how then can he also be attributed with Pluarlities? [more than one ]

Oh, i say to you Allah does not have parts, he is not made up of peicesw, hands and feet and a face are peices.

And this is truth, and Allah knows best.


So please young peoplem do nto worry what the kafir call you, becasue the harm they do is only a fraction of what the Salafies and Whahabies will do to our ummah.

[Proud_2B_Muslim]

and i am sorry, put a woman being attacked is not an offence against our religion, it is an offence agaisnt a woman, now, i am nto syaing don';t care foir your sisters, of course you care, but it is definatly not enough to call it a jihad.



Asalaamu Alaikum,

Very respectfully, I disagree with that comment above. Blasphemy and insulting the religion of Islam is a great offense to the religion; at the same time, however, attacking a Muslim woman is no small matter as the history of Islam itself teaches.

I am referring to the time when there was a treaty between the Muslims and the Jews that was subsequently broken by a member of a Jewish tribe. This man attacked a Muslim woman by trying to take off her hijab (please correct if details are wrong) and therefore, greatly dishonored and disrespected the Muslimah.

What happened then? The entire Muslim ummah responded which subsequently took the two groups of people to a battle. :ahb:! The whole of the Muslim nation responded to one Muslimah's degradation.

This is how beautiful, organized, and efficient our ummah was--and now, sadly, we hear stories of our sisters being humiliated and are able to only weep at our condition. :crying:

Wasalaamu Alaikum

[Proud_2B_Muslim]

:(

Personally, I would've smashed their faces no matter what injuries / damage I sustain :@

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Subhana'Allah, brother, I completely understand where you are coming from. When something as horrific as an attack on a Muslimah occurs, it is natural (and expected) for the Muslim community to personally feel the pain.

In fact, as I mentioned the story in the above post, the Prophet :saw: lead the Muslim army into a battle when one Jewish man attacked the dignity and honor of one Muslimah.

And indeed, we sisters seek the protection and strength of our brothers as Allah (swt) has made the man able in that respect.

Wasalaamu Alaikum

[azureal]

Asalaamu Alaikum,

Very respectfully, I disagree with that comment above. Blasphemy and insulting the religion of Islam is a great offense to the religion; at the same time, however, attacking a Muslim woman is no small matter as the history of Islam itself teaches.

I am referring to the time when there was a treaty between the Muslims and the Jews that was subsequently broken by a member of a Jewish tribe. This man attacked a Muslim woman by trying to take off her hijab (please correct if details are wrong) and therefore, greatly dishonored and disrespected the Muslimah.

What happened then? The entire Muslim ummah responded which subsequently took the two groups of people to a battle. :ahb:! The whole of the Muslim nation responded to one Muslimah's degradation.

This is how beautiful, organized, and efficient our ummah was--and now, sadly, we hear stories of our sisters being humiliated and are able to only weep at our condition. :crying:

Wasalaamu Alaikum

and who said this battle had anythign to do with swords and horses and armies?

[omar247]

Salam alaykum,

and i am sorry, put a woman being attacked is not an offence against our religion, it is an offence agaisnt a woman, now, i am nto syaing don';t care foir your sisters, of course you care, but it is definatly not enough to call it a jihad.


What are you talking about bro? You think that arguing against some Salafi's is more important than to defend a sisters honour?

This is SOOO against the Sunnah its unreal.

"...But if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them..." (Surah al Anfal:Verse 72).

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." (Surah an Nisa:Verse 75).

WS

Umar

[Abu Dayyan]

I do not if it was mentioned but this sister happened to be 5 months pregnant as well! (This just shows makes it even more disgusting).

[Sayf_Udeen]

phsyical jihad over material matters is never as good as jihad to defned the Realigion

Blah blah blah blah blah.....


:asta: @ your face.

are you muslim?

[witty]

I do not if it was mentioned but this sister happened to be 5 months pregnant as well! (This just shows makes it even more disgusting).

how do you know that? where did you read it? :)

[Abu Dayyan]

A brother I know from Luton(in real life) wrote that somewhere about what happened to that sister. Even if I were not to highlight that it would still be sickening enough what happened to the sister.

[Saldawop]

This is what happens when muslims attack innocent British people...innocent Muslims get hurt ,so other muslims get the hump and go out and attack innocent British people.....then start over again, in a never ending circle of violence.

Do I condone what these cowards did to a young girl,seeing as I am a white englishman?? of course I dont.its disgusting.And ,if caught, the full force of the Law should come down on them...so in todays society,they will probably be tagged and told not to be naughty in future:( , instead of the more appropriate stringing up by their balls.

[Abu Dayyan]

So putting sanctions on Iraq doesnt matter ?

[azureal]

Salam alaykum,




What are you talking about bro? You think that arguing against some Salafi's is more important than to defend a sisters honour?

This is SOOO against the Sunnah its unreal.

"...But if they seek your help in religion, it is your duty to help them..." (Surah al Anfal:Verse 72).

"And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allah, and for those weak, ill-treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." (Surah an Nisa:Verse 75).

WS

Umar




no, i do how ever consider slaughtering salafies to be more important, they currupt this religion and it's people, they are like a diaease, and they need to eb stopped, sisters will be attacked all the time..and you want to go to war over that every time?..well, i'm sorry to tell you but it doesn't work that way...

do you people relize, that if the whahabies existed 1400 eyars ago, they really would have been killed on a daily basis?...ebacsue they comit apostatcy, and that is punishable by death under shariah...

and when the mahdi comes, insha'allah, i will be there to kill as many blasphemers as i can, there is NOTHING worse than an apostate

[azureal]

This is what happens when muslims attack innocent British people...innocent Muslims get hurt ,so other muslims get the hump and go out and attack innocent British people.....then start over again, in a never ending circle of violence.



i totaly agree, and this si why i feel NO remose, when you act stupid on someone, they will act stupid back on you

[azureal]

:asta: @ your face.

are you muslim?

yes, but i'm nto your typical jihadist OBL lets go kill the west every chance we get holy war with no calipha retard, that likes to start fights at the droop of a hat

jihad over material matters is rubbish, ya Allah, i wish some fo these childrten hadn't learned the word jihad, they have turned it into a derogity term..just like the word kafir

and it is also sinful to ask strangers if they are a muslim, becasue if they say no, and they say they worship soemthign besides Allah, then they comit blapsheme, and so do you...why?, becasue you ASKED them to comit blasphemey

[omar247]

jihad over material matters

You're way out of line brother, talking like a khawaraj with your talk of "slaughtering" salafi's and you view this as more important than helping a sister defend her honour.

The Prophet(saw) said "The blood of a muslim is more valuable in the sight of Allah(swt) than the kaabah and its surroundings."

There are many examples in the seerah whereby women were attacked and the Prophet(saw) and the Sahaba (ra) sent armies to destroy the people who did this.

[azureal]

well, i guess we all have diffrent prorities, i love my religion too much to go after a conflict that doesn't involve me

[omar247]

If you think that a sister, who is a part of this ummah, is being attacked and you feel it does not involve you, then you have issues brother.

[azureal]

1. i don't even know if this woman is a muslim
2. it is prolly a back lash from the morons who bombed london
3. i am in the usa, and don't have the time or the moeny to go to london to fight a 'jihad' becasue of a tiyn artcle found on the itnernet, that may be completely false all together.
4. as i said before, i don't see this as big as a deal as i do when i see people giveing flase fatwas and destroying this religion, with blasphemey.

[.: Anna :.]

:start:

:wswrwb:

:crying: SubhanAllah

Why why why???

:spunch: Somebody should rip those Khanzeer apart. Let them come to a male member of my family, they won't even hear of the word 'ribs' let alone how many.

Those lanathi, to attack my sister in Islam i feel hurt esp when they assaulted her ina disgusting fashion by pulling her Hidjaab off, 3 broken ribs? :ahb:

I am upset. very upset. These yobs have nothing better to do,

Oh Allah Bless Muhammad :saw: and the children of Muhammad :saw: as you've blessed Ibrahim (AS) and his children for you are undoubtedly the praise worthy the glorious.

Oh Allah protect my ummah, shield us and preserve our dinity and honour. Shower us in your Rahmah and let us have enough courage to stand up to falsehood. Give us the strength to stand up to falsehood. AMEEN

:salamsameen :mad:

[Sayf_Udeen]

well, i guess we all have diffrent prorities, i love my religion too much to go after a conflict that doesn't involve me

So you dont love your religion?

[.: Rashid :.]

1. i don't even know if this woman is a muslim

She was wearing a jilbaab, and a hijaab. There are a lot of sisters that don't even do that.

2. it is prolly a back lash from the morons who bombed london

And that justifies the attack, does it? This sister had NOTHING to do with those attacks (AFAIK). I don't understand why you brought the london bombings up regarding this...are you trying to say that she deserved it? Or what!?

3. i am in the usa, and don't have the time or the moeny to go to london to fight a 'jihad' becasue of a tiyn artcle found on the itnernet...

This one point I can udnerstand. Laziness. And I also am VERY lazy :( The state of the Ummah is sad :( Once Muslims were willing to FIGHT, to MARCH miles to go fight a man who dishonoured a Muslimah...and now we can not even be bothered to takea bus/train/plane to defend a Muslimah. :nonono:

...that may be completely false all together.

You are doubting the word of a Muslim brother? AFAIK, the brother who emailed this is an honest and pious Muslim. On what basis do you judge the writer to be untrustworthy?


4. as i said before, i don't see this as big as a deal as i do when i see people giveing flase fatwas and destroying this religion, with blasphemey.

A Muslimah has been attacked. Dishonoured. And you don't see this as a big deal? Perhaps when your mother, or your sister, or your daughter is attacked, you'll see it as a big deal. It is sad that your relative must be victimised before you come to your senses :(

May Allah Guide you brother.

-Rashid-

[azureal]

a woman on the other side of the world has nothing to do with my religion, if i went on 'jihad' for every woman in the mid east and europe that got raped, hit, punched, beat up, etc...i would never have a life, and it would eb WASTED on defending rumors and gossip on an event that could have happened, but probaly never did


or i could stay here learn the religion, and refute the kufar and their false scholars and show the average people what islam really is, and maby, JUST MABY even lead a few hearts and minds to islam..isn't that an amazeinjg concept?..dawah instead of war?..OMG, OH MY GOD, DAWAH INSTEAD OF WAR..OMG WERE GETTIGN SOMEWHERE!!!!


like i said, my duty here surpases any rumor from the other side of the world

i mena, your getting your news from the media..come on folks...most of this news never happens, and you have to ask, what did the musliah do to get what ever it is that she got?

i live in aemrica, one of the worst aplces for muslim, and i have NEVER seen soemone get attacked jsut for the hell of it, and i live in the dirty south, home of all the white bigots and racists, and christians. and no one is getting attacked, and you mean to tell me that in europe [ of all palces] people actually have the balls to speak for them selves?..much less go on randomly attacking people?

the europeans kicked ameircans out becasue they wwere to violent bad etyc..what have you...

and even ameiorcans aren't going off randomly attakcing muslims every where, and on the occain that it does happen, the muslim probaly did soemthign to desrve it...like calling the guy a 'filthy kafir' or by offending him or his religion

people don't jsut do stupid crap for no reason [ the averge person]

you either started it, or it actually was a random attack, but as far as i know..here in emephis..peole keep to them selves, they don't even talk to strangers, much less go off and attack them...

[.: Rashid :.]

a woman on the other side of the world has nothing to do with my religion, if i went on 'jihad' for every woman in the mid east and europe that got raped, hit, punched, beat up, etc...i would never have a life, and it would eb WASTED on defending rumors and gossip on an event that could have happened, but probaly never did


or i could stay here learn the religion, and refute the kufar and their false scholars and show the average people what islam really is, and maby, JUST MABY even lead a few hearts and minds to islam..isn't that an amazeinjg concept?..dawah instead of war?..OMG, OH MY GOD, DAWAH INSTEAD OF WAR..OMG WERE GETTIGN SOMEWHERE!!!!


like i said, my duty here surpases any rumor from the other side of the world

i mena, your getting your news from the media..come on folks...most of this news never happens, and you have to ask, what did the musliah do to get what ever it is that she got?

i live in aemrica, one of the worst aplces for muslim, and i have NEVER seen soemone get attacked jsut for the hell of it, and i live in the dirty south, home of all the white bigots and racists, and christians. and no one is getting attacked, and you mean to tell me that in europe [ of all palces] people actually have the balls to speak for them selves?..much less go on randomly attacking people?

the europeans kicked ameircans out becasue they wwere to violent bad etyc..what have you...

and even ameiorcans aren't going off randomly attakcing muslims every where, and on the occain that it does happen, the muslim probaly did soemthign to desrve it...like calling the guy a 'filthy kafir' or by offending him or his religion

people don't jsut do stupid crap for no reason [ the averge person]

you either started it, or it actually was a random attack, but as far as i know..here in emephis..peole keep to them selves, they don't even talk to strangers, much less go off and attack them...

:rubeyes:

Bro, you don't know Britain. I am shocked by your stance on this, seriously.

All I can say is May Allah Guide you, and All Muslims. Ameen.

I can't be bothered to waste anymore time replying to the points made in your post...:nonono:

Answer the points made in my post above...

-Rashid-

[azureal]

She was wearing a jilbaab, and a hijaab. There are a lot of sisters that don't even do that.

sence when did clothign decide if a person is muslim or not?



And that justifies the attack, does it? This sister had NOTHING to do with those attacks (AFAIK). I don't understand why you brought the london bombings up regarding this...are you trying to say that she deserved it? Or what!?

no, nothign justifies it, but it is a reaosn



This one point I can udnerstand. Laziness. And I also am VERY lazy :( The state of the Ummah is sad :( Once Muslims were willing to FIGHT, to MARCH miles to go fight a man who dishonoured a Muslimah...and now we can not even be bothered to takea bus/train/plane to defend a Muslimah. :nonono:

not haveing moeny isn't lazyness, ti's the will of Allah



You are doubting the word of a Muslim brother? AFAIK, the brother who emailed this is an honest and pious Muslim. On what basis do you judge the writer to be untrustworthy?

what absis to i judge ti?..it's on the internet



A Muslimah has been attacked. Dishonoured. And you don't see this as a big deal? Perhaps when your mother, or your sister, or your daughter is attacked, you'll see it as a big deal. It is sad that your relative must be victimised before you come to your senses :(

sadly, none of my relatives are muslims, and i woudl prolly get mad, becasue that DOES involve me, of course, a woman on the other side of the world isn't more valuable than my mother, infact, they are not even compareable, but i definatly would never say that getting revenge is mroe important than learnign islam correctly and teachign it to others

May Allah Guide you brother.

-Rashid-

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

a woman on the other side of the world has nothing to do with my religion, if i went on 'jihad' for every woman in the mid east and europe that got raped, hit, punched, beat up, etc...i would never have a life, and it would eb WASTED on defending rumors and gossip on an event that could have happened, but probaly never did.

:eek3:

:salams

[azureal]

lol, britan is nothing compared to ameirca..i garantee it

you can't even carry a gun in britan can you?..in ameirca, you can carry an automatic rifle if you have the correct lisence, and you can defend yourself with it..and the word defend is very vauge

ameircas version of self defence is -

you go in to rob a store and you draw your gun ready to kill the owner, but he shoots you first, then you shoot him, well accoring to ours laws, the robber was defending himself and the clerk is guilty of attempted murder....

it happens every day

atleast you have a system that judges everyone equaly and not based on skin color

though, in europe, whtie people are racsit agsint other white people with diffrent hair color and eye color..so meh

and another thought, why don't YOU guys do somethign about this situation?..i mena, you LIVE there, and your asking people on the other side of the planet to help you? what is that?

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

Azureal

We are Muhammad :saw: peace and Blessings of Allah be upon him's ummah. We are one, one body where if one feels pain the others do too.

Say the situation was reversed would you not expect justice to be done?

:salams

[azureal]

yes, within my community..not from strangers on the other side of the known world...

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

yes, within my community..not from strangers on the other side of the known world...

Bro that's your sister in Islam!

If one of your relatives moved half way across the world does your obligation and alligence to them become null and void cuz they live 'far away' then?

:salams

[.: Rashid :.]

lol, britan is nothing compared to ameirca..i garantee it

you can't even carry a gun in britan can you?..in ameirca, you can carry an automatic rifle if you have the correct lisence, and you can defend yourself with it..and the word defend is very vauge

ameircas version of self defence is -

you go in to rob a store and you draw your gun ready to kill the owner, but he shoots you first, then you shoot him, well accoring to ours laws, the robber was defending himself and the clerk is guilty of attempted murder....

it happens every day

atleast you have a system that judges everyone equaly and not based on skin color

though, in europe, whtie people are racsit agsint other white people with diffrent hair color and eye color..so meh

and another thought, why don't YOU guys do somethign about this situation?..i mena, you LIVE there, and your asking people on the other side of the planet to help you? what is that?

We didn't. AFAIK, the writer was asking people who do live here, and within whom's ability it is to do something.

Anyway, this duty falls upon ALL male Muslims ;)

-Rashid-

[.: Rashid :.]

^won't edit the above post because everyone'll miss the edition :rolleyes:

sence when did clothign decide if a person is muslim or not?

The shahada did. We are assuming that this Muslimah has "taken"/declared the shahada, and is wearing the jilbaab and hijaab to follow the command of Allah and His Prophet, and to protect her mdoesty.

sadly, none of my relatives are muslims, and i woudl prolly get mad, becasue that DOES involve me, of course, a woman on the other side of the world isn't more valuable than my mother, infact, they are not even compareable, but i definatly would never say that getting revenge is mroe important than learnign islam correctly and teachign it to others

I never mentioned revenge. Protection. And thats sad that someone you "know" must be attacked before you do something, really.

-Rashid-

[Proud_2B_Muslim]

i mena, your getting your news from the media..come on folks...most of this news never happens, and you have to ask, what did the musliah do to get what ever it is that she got?



Asalaamu Alaikum,

I live in the United States as well and there ARE many instances of people getting randomnly attacked, especially in places like New York or Los Angeles.

Right after 9-11, many, many Muslims were attacked (not just in big cities) and some even killed. Yes--killed. Even non-Muslims who "looked" like Muslims (such as Sikh men who wear the turban) were targeted. One such Sikh man was murdered while he was working at the gas station because some American thought he was a Muslim!

There were also some Muslim Arab brothers who were beaten at a university close to mine. And in my own university, a Muslim woman who was walking to her car in the parking lot, was terrorized continuously by a man who, in his car, would floor his gas to run right up to the Muslimah, only to stop RIGHT before he hit her. When she would try to walk away, he would wait until she got a little further and then do it again.

No brother, the individuals who are attacked do not do anything to provoke such things. After events like 9-11, or the London bombings, there is enough hatred in some people that they WILL and DO attack innocent Muslims. In their mind, all Muslims are responsible for the actions of a few, and to them, attacking any Muslim is justified revenge.

Wasalaamu Alaikum

[marjan]

Tend your own weeds first then your neighbours. I guarantee if everyone did this then we wouldn't have half the problems we do in the world.

[azureal]

well..she got attacked..so apparently you didn't protect anything

and there is a diffrence bwteen my relatives and a stranger

i wouldn't help a stranger no matter who he was, he coudl be soem hypocrite or what have you, you have to prove yourself to me, i don't jsut help anyone who comes my way, that is now how life works

yes, i woudl help a relative..they are my relatives, i don't see a reaosn, have a need, or will to help a stranger with anything what so ever, and if i do, it was beacsue i was forced to help them



and like you said 'you ASUME' she took her shadah, and you asume she has the right beleif, and you asmue she hasn't apostated, you are not certain, your asumeing, well, asumeing isn't good enough

sister in islam?, sence when did helping 1 sister on the other side of the world becaome fard ayn?..protection and jihad is fard kiafa..not fard ayn, i don't HAVE to help if i don't want to, it's not an obligation on every single person, espesialy when we don't even have an army to fight with, when the mahdi gets here, it will be a diffrent story insha'allah, and i DO have more important things to do, like learn the religion, take care of my own people, i don't have tiem to be pussyfooting around and helping strangers that you 'asume' might be soem how relaetd to islam jsut becasue of a hijab

if i LIVED in that area..it might eb a diffrent story..but jeez, i'mk in usa, your in birton, not everyone has the 1-2 thousand dollars to jsut fly on over and kill soem folks, and then the 1-2 thousand to go back

protecting the ummah in your area is YOUR communial obligation, and protecting mine is my obligation, the muslims are not 1 ummah right now, there are MANY diffrent communities

and in this age, it is more work to get over to these other palces then ti is to get the job done, and i'm not going to go risk my life and waste it on a cause that will never get started

man, some fo these people that ask the world for help are very naieve

[.: Rashid :.]

man, some fo these people that ask the world for help are very naieve

Sorry bro, I don't have the patience to reply to your post. All I can say is, you're the one who is naive.

Purely out of interest: Where are you from? Your attitude to Muslims sounds VERY "Asian" :p e.g. you don't know if they have apostated. I shouldn't have to help them if I dunno if they're "true Muslims" etc.

-Rashid-

[azureal]

no, i hate people who beg the world for help, you should go back home and help your damn selves instead of expecting the world to do it for you

only reason they ask others is beacsue the people already there are too lazy to do anyhting for them selves

someone gets attacked and the look at the rest of the world going"what are you doing?..were being attacked"..and well, i say to them.."fight back you moron, don't look at us"

[.: Rashid :.]

no, i hate people who beg the world for help, you should go back home and help your damn selves instead of expecting the world to do it for you

only reason they ask others is beacsue the people already there are too lazy to do anyhting for them selves

someone gets attacked and the look at the rest of the world going"what are you doing?..were being attacked"..and well, i say to them.."fight back you moron, don't look at us"

Exactly. WE should fight back. You are we. You are among us. You are a Muslim. You are a part of the Muslim Ummah.

But you said that you're not a part of our community :rolleyes: So you wanna leave this Ummah? :crying: THAT'S apostacy.

* I'm not trying to put words in your mouth. I'm challenging you : )

-Rashid-

[omar247]

walahi, I don't knwo whether this guy is even muslim the way he is talking, its like some kuffar pretending.


Whats scary though is that he may well be. I get so angry when i see attitudes like this..."I would help my relatives, not some stranger", "its those london guys fault"....what the hell is this guy on?

What do you think of these Ayah's then Azureal, do they not apply to you or something :-

And what is wrong with you that you fight not in the Cause of Allâh, and for those weak, ill­treated and oppressed among men, women, and children, whose cry is: "Our Lord! Rescue us from this town whose people are oppressors; and raise for us from You one who will protect, and raise for us from You one who will help." (An-Nisa 4:75)

Say: If your fathers, your sons, your brothers, your wives, your kindred, the wealth that you have gained, the commerce in which you fear a decline, and the dwellings in which you delight … are dearer to you than Allâh and His Messenger, and striving hard and fighting in His Cause[], then wait until Allâh brings about His Decision (torment). And Allâh guides not the people who are Al-Fâsiqûn (the rebellious, disobedient to Allâh). (At-Tawbah 9:24)

It is only those who believe not in Allâh and the Last Day and whose hearts are in doubt that ask your leave (to be exempted from Jihâd). So in their doubts they waver (At-Tawbah 9:45)

[Mercia]

The young black man who was murdered in Liverpool this week was a committed Christian. He was a Christian martyr not a Muslim one.

He was killed by a thug because he was black.

[Abu Dayyan]

The young black man who was murdered in Liverpool this week was a committed Christian. He was a Christian martyr not a Muslim one.

He was killed by a thug because he was black.

your point being ?

[azureal]

am i in britan?..am i in that ummah?..no, i'm in ameierca, i'm in this ummah

that satteemnt there shoudl elt you knwo i'm nto tlaking abotu the entire ummah of the world...




and those ayyats never onces say that i HAVE to fight...

and jihad?..there is no jihad today..and there won't be one untill the mahdi returns, THAN we will have a jihad



sence when does not being lovey dovy careing abotu every human make me a kafir?

just becasue i said i don't care about a woman on the otehr side of the earth..you have the right to call me a kafir?..subhanallah

i dare you to find an auyyat or a hadith that says "if one does nto care for another human ebing, he is a kafir"

you will never find it


is it so hard to believe?..i DON'T CARE WHAT happens on the otehr side of the world..i am not over there, and in this age, i have no buisness over there...there is no calipha to command us...and i definatly don't want to blow my self away liek a moron

go on right ahead, call jihad, and fight in britan..

but remeber, before you plan any attacks on british soil that you will be considered a terrorist, and you will rpolly have no life after that...you don't have billions of dollars, so you won't be like bin laden or anyhting..there won't be no run and hide for you

and after this, watch the kafir rip you a new one...and all for what?

do you think you will be a martyr for blowing people away?..do you think your a martyr for killing yourself?i am sorry, a martyr doesn't plant a bomb, then cowardly hide in the darkness, a martyr doesn't strab TNT on their chest and b lowq them selevs up

thsoe are called idiots

and if you want me to be like that?, well quite frankly, you can go screw yourself

haven't you ever heard 'the power of the pen si greater than the sword"?

write an artcle about this, go to the news and giev them the story, maby they will post it, put in on the itnernet, you knwo...do soemthign like that....


but don't go off calling jihad and killing all kinds of people...that is jsut stupid and unessicary

[.: Rashid :.]

Wow...bro, I feel tempted to argue with you, but I've said that I won't now so :p

I'll just make a few quick points.

There are no ummahs here and ummahs there. If we try not to use the literal sense of the word ummah, but the meaning which it has come to fill, then there is only ONE Muslim Ummah. Its attitudes like yours which divide the Ummah, and brought/may again bring about the downfall of the Ummah.

Your idea of Jihad has seriously been corrupted. By, I think, both the "pacifist" apologetic sufis, and the Americans. NO ONE, not ONCE, EVER made mentioned of bombs, or terrorism. You ASSUMED that we were talking about bombing people, and killing innocent people, despite your earlier point about assuming being bad. (BTW, you completely missed what I meant by assume. I should have strssed the word assume more...)

About sufism, why are you obsessed with Jihad an-Nafs? Look around you. If you think that there is no legitimate reason for Jihad al-Kitaal today, then you truely have been brainwashed :p (or are plain stupid :) Whichever you prefer to believe...) Look at Palestine. Look at Iraq. Look at Afghanistan. Look at Chechnya. Look at Kashmir. Look at Algeria. Look at Sudan. Then tell me that there is no legitmate Jihad today.

You didn't answer my question about your origin. :) A lot fo Asians hold beliefs IDENTICAL to yours. They hate wahabis more than they hate Qadyanis. They prefer Jihad an-Nafs to Jihad al-Qitaal...they deny the obligation of Jihad.

The Jihad we meant was to have watchgroups, patrol groups to watch out for our Muslim sisters, "mothers, fathers". To escort them if they don't have a mahram available, and to defend them from any yobs who try to attack. We called on the entire Muslim Ummah. Those who are able, should respond.

Brother, I don't mean to offend you. I understand some parts of my post may come across as offensive, they're not, they're "playful" :) I am angry with you, but if it were completely in a malicious sort of way, I would have acted a LOT more vicious :)

-Rashid-

[azureal]

i am from austria..and today..jihad does meaning blowing people up...or better yet, that is how it is almsot alwasys used



sufism?..what does me being sufi have to do with jihad?

Jihad an-Nafs is important, more so than Jihad Kitaal, how can you have a jihad when you have no army?..and please don't tell me about ummah unity and all that

we already know what will ahppen..why must you be so impatient?

Jihad kitaal is going to happen when the mahdi returns [insha'allah within the enxt 10-20 years] and THEN it will be time for phsyical jihad

put for now, we shoudl concentrait on our nafs, learning the deen, and building our Iman and geting closer to Allah [not in a phsyical sense]

i am from austria

and yes, i do hate the whahabies more then anyhting in this worldand in the ehrefater..the whahabies are the CAUSE of all this greif today

when the whhabies movment started..people started to get funny ideas and curruption started to come, which divided the Ummah, and it has divided it so much that today, you have muslims killing muslims [or so called muslims], the muslims are on the bottom of the food chain, becasue of out division, and today, with teh proipaganda comeing out of saudi arabia, people are gettign the bad idea about islam, and all thsi si becasue of one deviant who clamiesd everyone was a kafir, and he attacked Mecca

so yes, while you guys at the effects of the movement, i hate the movement itself.

[.: Rashid :.]

i am from austria..and today..jihad does meaning blowing people up...or better yet, that is how it is almsot alwasys used

You're giving in to the West. They have defined Jihad like that. Its false. Its a lie. We must not give in to them, and allow them to redefine our language, our words.

sufism?..what does me being sufi have to do with jihad?

Because a lot of sufis have a crazy idea of what Jihad is :wacko:

Jihad kitaal is going to happen when the mahdi returns [insha'allah within the enxt 10-20 years] and THEN it will be time for phsyical jihad

Oh please. Is that your "excuse"? Thats NOT Islamic. Your saying that the Muslims in Iraq should have sit back, and LET the Americans just take a walk into their country? That we should NOT take up arms, and fight Jihad fisabeelillah? Yes, Jihad an-Nafs is VERY important IMO, I know that I take part every single day. But does that mean that we should not perform Jihad al-Kitaal? One is not the subtitute for the other. When the enemy is knocking on your door to kill you, your family, your Muslim brothers and sisters, are you going to simply say that Jihad an-Nafs is more important, that there's no point in putting up any resistance?

put for now, we shoudl concentrait on our nafs, learning the deen, and building our Iman and geting closer to Allah [not in a phsyical sense]

No, we should do that all the time. We should do that when we are fighting Jihad al-kitaal too. Now is the time for Jihad al-Kitaal. That does not mean that we should not perform jihad al-kitaal. Nor vica versa.

and yes, i do hate the whahabies more then anyhting in this worldand in the ehrefater..the whahabies are the CAUSE of all this greif today


I'm mistaken. Its not the Americans who have got to you. Its the British :rolleyes:

Muslims were corrupt a long time ago too. Muslims have always, since 700 or 800CE, been divided. They fought and fueded over al-Andulacia 500 years ago. They fought 700 years ago. They fought 900 years ago. They fought 1100 years ago. As far as I know, Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab was born somewhere during the 18th century. :rolleyes:

Wait, its got to be Ibn Taymiyyah's fault now hasn't it? :rolleyes:

-Rashid-

[Raven]

First of all, I hope the authorities catch the (expletive word) who did that. There's no excuse for that kind of behavior.

Second, I fail to see how wanting to go out and take revenge on random kuffar is any better than what happened to this poor lady.

[azureal]

ibn tammiyyah jsut had bad views of Allah...but that si about it

whahab was a young buck who got all wild after learning ibn tammiyyahs beleifs and decided he was going to attack mecca, he declared that everyone was a kafir, beacsue the people were visiting the Prophets grave and makeing dua to Allah that the propeht woudl interceed [this is also how whahab denied the itnercession]

giveing into the west?...well.the west is no where near as bad as the whahabies

and this is nto a tiem for jihad..we DON'T HAVE AN ARMY...thus we cannto dfight jihad..and we WON'T HAVE ANY ARMY untill the ummah untied..and we knwo fro a fact that the UMMAH WILL NOT UNIT UNTILL THE MAHDI COMES

can you make the conncetion?

you are nto a one man army, and the mahdi whole purpose is to unit the muslims and re build the calipha, this tells us that there will be no unity untill he gets here

and no unity means no army, means we can't fighting in jihad kitaal

if there was a REAL army that actually had power, then i woudl fight, no problem, but we don't, and i'm not going to join an army that EVERYONE knows is going to lose

you don't just go otu grab and gun and call yourself a mujahid, it don't work like that

[.: Rashid :.]

ibn tammiyyah jsut had bad views of Allah...but that si about it

whahab was a young buck who got all wild after learning ibn tammiyyahs beleifs and decided he was going to attack mecca, he declared that everyone was a kafir, beacsue the people were visiting the Prophets grave and makeing dua to Allah that the propeht woudl interceed [this is also how whahab denied the itnercession]

giveing into the west?...well.the west is no where near as bad as the whahabies

and this is nto a tiem for jihad..we DON'T HAVE AN ARMY...thus we cannto dfight jihad..and we WON'T HAVE ANY ARMY untill the ummah untied..and we knwo fro a fact that the UMMAH WILL NOT UNIT UNTILL THE MAHDI COMES

can you make the conncetion?

you are nto a one man army, and the mahdi whole purpose is to unit the muslims and re build the calipha, this tells us that there will be no unity untill he gets here

and no unity means no army, means we can't fighting in jihad kitaal

if there was a REAL army that actually had power, then i woudl fight, no problem, but we don't, and i'm not going to join an army that EVERYONE knows is going to lose

you don't just go otu grab and gun and call yourself a mujahid, it don't work like that

You are making a LITTLE more sense now :)

But bro, remember the ayah about the Mujahideen: 2 will vanquish 20, and 10 will vanquish 100!

Or something like that...

Bro, don't you understand that your entire post is defeatism? With attitudes like that, we'll never be able to win, to defeat the kafirs...

-Rashid-

[Khadhijah]

:salams

Azureal do you have a gurantee from Allah that you will live to see the Mahdi?

If not...? Then what will your answers be to the questions that will be asked of you about your oppressed brothers and sisters while you laid back and enjoyed your comfortable life?

[azureal]

i will tell him i was preoccypied, and that the tiem was right for action

[Muslimah006]

Azureal,

You say you are Muslim but perhaps you haven't learned enough about it yet, Allahu Alam. Are you basically saying you don't follow the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammed(sas)? Didn't someone say that this was done in the time of the Nabi(sas)? A Muslim does as the Nabi(sas) did....so..where does that leave your little ' If I don't know them I won't help them'.

Wait a minute bud this isn't only about Islam, its about HUMANITY. If I saw a non-muslim women get attacked( and I didn't know her) I would sure as hell help her. What type of person would just walk by thinking well i don't know her so she must have been asking for it.

Everyday people help people they know nothing about b/c this is human nature. My friend went to Jamaica last year( she's from Canada) to help people she had never met.

On one hand it is about Islam and the Ummah IS one body, if one peice of it is harmed it is all harmed but on another level its about humanity.

Think about it.

P.S. No one is asking you to go over there right now and do something, I’m still sitting here at home and haven’t done something, I know I should have but I haven’t b/c I’m so consumed in this world, I realize that. But Allah said if you see something bad, change it first with your hand, if you cannot then with your voice, if you cannot then hate it with your heart, and the last is the weakest of faith. So even if we fall into the last group, let’s hate injustice in the world with our hearts.

wsalam

[.: Rashid :.]

Azureal,

You say you are Muslim but perhaps you haven't learned enough about it yet, Allahu Alam. Are you basically saying you don't follow the Sunnah of the prophet Muhammed(sas)? Didn't someone say that this was done in the time of the Nabi(sas)? A Muslim does as the Nabi(sas) did....so..where does that leave your little ' If I don't know them I won't help them'.

Wait a minute bud this isn't only about Islam, its about HUMANITY. If I saw a non-muslim women get attacked( and I didn't know her) I would sure as hell help her. What type of person would just walk by thinking well i don't know her so she must have been asking for it.

Everyday people help people they know nothing about b/c this is human nature. My friend went to Jamaica last year( she's from Canada) to help people she had never met.

On one hand it is about Islam and the Ummah IS one body, if one peice of it is harmed it is all harmed but on another level its about humanity.

Think about it.

P.S. No one is asking you to go over there right now and do something, I’m still sitting here at home and haven’t done something, I know I should have but I haven’t b/c I’m so consumed in this world, I realize that. But Allah said if you see something bad, change it first with your hand, if you cannot then with your voice, if you cannot then hate it with your heart, and the last is the weakest of faith. So even if we fall into the last group, let’s hate injustice in the world with our hearts.

wsalam

Grr...I'm all outta rep for today :( I'd rep yer if I could :)

-Rashid-

[sufic_man]

about humanity?..i'm sorry, but i don't owe humanity anyhtign what so ever

[Raven]

"Second, I fail to see how wanting to go out and take revenge on random kuffar is any better than what happened to this poor lady."

Does anyone disagree with that statement? I mean, people here suggested taking revenge on the kuffar and no one thought twice about it.

[.: Rashid :.]

"Second, I fail to see how wanting to go out and take revenge on random kuffar is any better than what happened to this poor lady."

Does anyone disagree with that statement? I mean, people here suggested taking revenge on the kuffar and no one thought twice about it.

You what now? Quote one person who suggested other people should go out and take revenge on "the kuffar".

I remember reading one person saying that they'd take revenge, and I'm pretty sure they meant on the people who did this, not random non-Muslim ;)

-Rashid-

[Raven]

You what now? Quote one person who suggested other people should go out and take revenge on "the kuffar".

I remember reading one person saying that they'd take revenge, and I'm pretty sure they meant on the people who did this, not random non-Muslim ;)

-Rashid-

http://www.ummah.net/forum/member.php?u=9289
"it is perfectly acceptable to declare a Jihad against the Kuffirs for that alone"
No mention of which kuffirs.


I was probably wrong when I said "nobody cared" about that or whatever. If I voiced my concern about everything stupid my peer group said, my vocal cords would be totally dead by now!

[Batty]

You're giving in to the West. They have defined Jihad like that. Its false. Its a lie............................................... ......................
Muslims were corrupt a long time ago too. Muslims have always, since 700 or 800CE, been divided. They fought and fueded over al-Andulacia 500 years ago. They fought 700 years ago. They fought 900 years ago. They fought 1100 years ago. As far as I know, Muhammad ibn Abdul-Wahhab was born somewhere during the 18th century. :rolleyes:

Wait, its got to be Ibn Taymiyyah's fault now hasn't it? :rolleyes:

-Rashid-

No lad, its probably been the fault of people just like you. Always fighting. You would be better off going to check that your front step is properly scrubbed. Thems that talk can't do.

[.: Rashid :.]

No lad, its probably been the fault of people just like you. Always fighting. You would be better off going to check that your front step is properly scrubbed. Thems that talk can't do.

Y'what now?

-Rashid-

[Muslimah006]

about humanity?. I’m sorry, but i don't owe humanity anything what so ever

Is that so? Well I guess your one of the anti-social minority. Psychologists have carried out various experiments on individuals in hopes of tapping into the true nature of man/womyn and tests have proved with conclusive results that most individuals will come into the aid of a person they view as vulnerable. There are parts of our brain, especially in the amyglada and frontal cortex wired for empathy. We have mirror neurons which allow for us to relate to others in pain. This is why people flinch when they see someone else fall down the stairs for example. If it wasn't for the Mercy of Allah or in the words of science, man's survival through partnership, then the human race would have been wiped of a long time ago.

Anyways, a small group of people do not have mirror neurons or properly functioning empathy centers of the brain, these people are either the mentally ill and/or anti-social. Sociopaths clearly don't have the same structure of the brain as let's say a 'normal' person and this is one insight into their aggressive behaviour that lacks regret.

So, simply said, anyone who is mentally fit would have stopped and helped that young women, whether they had been Muslim or not.

[Batty]

Y'what now?

-Rashid-

All mouth lad, all mouth. Now run home and do your homework or you'll never get a proper job

[MalikOne™]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahe wa barakatuhu

In the Name of Allah Al Rahman Al Raheem

Please take a few minutes of your time to read through the whole of
this email, for this matter is of the most urgent nature. The reason for this message came about from a discussion with some brothers in Luton who mentioned an incident of a Muslim sister out shopping in Bramingham, Luton, who was attacked becuase she was Muslim.

A group of yobs, on seeing this sister dressed in the Islamic dress and taking full advantage of her being alone assulated her. One of these cowards grabbed her by the throat while another ripped off her headress. They then proceeded to tear of her jilbab (Islamic dress) and malhandled her.

The sister was later admitted into hospital and was diagnosed with three broken ribs. On reporting this incident to the police and giving a statement she was was advised that they could not help as there was no CCTV or video evidence.

All of us are aware of the situation of the Muslim Ummah as a whole and our state of decline, but actions like these CANNOT continue. It is a sad enough a reflection on us that we see the suffering of our mothers, sisters and daughters in lands which are too distant for our hearts, but for this to occur on our own doorstep and for us not to respond is surely a sign of the death of our hearts and the disappearance of all dignity and honour amongst us.





This is exactly the reason women are ment to only go outside with mahrams