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Supernova Nebula
13-07-05, 06:05 AM
:rolleyes: Woman leads Islamic prayers in mosque, a first for
Canada


By JEN GERSON

Saturday, July 2, 2005 Page A9

Friday prayers were conducted by a woman in a mosque
for the first time in Canadian history yesterday, a
move many liberal Muslims are hoping will open the
door to greater equality between the sexes in the
Islamic community.

But some are calling the event media circus used to
denounce conservative Muslims.

About 100 people sat on the floor of the United Muslim
Association mosque in North Etobicoke as Pamela
Taylor, co-chair of the New York-based Progressive
Muslim Union, led the mixed-gender congregation in
prayers and offered a sermon on the importance of
equality between races, genders, sexual orientations
and persons with disabilities.

"Canada is the Islamic ideal," said Ms. Taylor, 40,
who has been a Muslim for 19 years. She said Canada's
lack of "imperialistic escapades" could allow its
people to act as the conscience of the Muslim world
and to speak out against the oppression of repressive
regimes.


The organizers of the event chose Ms. Taylor, a U.S.
citizen who has a divinity degree from Harvard
University and took East Asian studies at the
University of British Columbia, to lead the prayers.

Last November, Maryam Mirza, a York University
student, delivered part of the sermon marking the end
of Ramadan at the liberal UMA mosque.

She did not, however, lead the prayers.

The first Canadian woman to lead a mixed-congregation
in prayer was Raheel Raza.

She led the prayers in April, but said the
congregation was so hounded by those opposed to the
prospect of having a woman lead prayers that they were
held in a back yard in Cabbagetown.

"My reaction [to yesterday's prayers] can only be
positive," Ms. Raza said.

But Mohamed Elmasry, national president of the
Canadian Islamic Council, said while the UMA is free
to have whomever it chooses to lead its prayers, it's
a fringe group.

"This is a non-issue for Canadian Muslims and must be
ignored by the community," he said. "It usually
becomes a media circus and an opportunity to label
Muslims."

The issue of women-led prayers is one of tradition,
not sexism, he said. Women are free to give talks and
lectures but, traditionally, men lead the prayers and
most practising Muslims in Canada respect that, he
added.

Not everyone present was impressed by Ms. Taylor's
performance.

Ehab Lotayef, a native Arabic speaker, said Ms.
Taylor's recitation of Arabic during the prayers was
poor and her message during the sermon was unoriginal.


"I don't have a problem women leading prayer," he
said. But "many things were pushed beyond the envelope
in order to have the principle met.

"There was nothing explosive in what she said."

Tarek Fatah, spokesman for the Muslim Canadian
Congress, said by allowing a woman to lead prayers,
the UMA mosque is not trying to impinge upon how other
mosques choose to worship.

"Nowhere in the Koran is it prohibited for women to
lead the prayers," he said. "I am tired of people who
are dragging us backwards into history."

Rumoured pickets by conservative Muslims failed to
materialize during the afternoon.

Mr. Fatah said he and the congregation would not be
intimidated by threats, and should not be judged by
any other congregation.

"If Muslim men are scared of having women as imams,
they need to examine their own misogyny," he said.

Khadhijah
13-07-05, 06:23 AM
:lahawla:

You'd think the ummah already has enough to deal with without these feminist trying to change the teachings of Islam.

I'm a woman, and i still fail to see what is so significance about women being all liberal and thinking that they are being oppressed by not being allowed to be a gorvener in a masjid board or leading men in prayers. Wal Audhu BilLah.

Next thing they'd be complaining about is "Oh why do we have to be pregnant why can't men be pregnant too" :rolleyes: I wouldn't put it past them.

Allah Ta'alaa designed our roles for us, and He would never be unjust to any of his slaves. Subhan Allah!

Have we strayed so far from the teachings of the Prophet :saw: that we make a mockery out of our own deen?

Walaahi i can't imagine how it would be standing before Allah Ta'alaa answering for our deeds. May Allah forgive us all.

Songbird
13-07-05, 06:35 AM
:rolleyes: Woman leads Islamic prayers in mosque, a first for
Canada

Ehab Lotayef, a native Arabic speaker, said Ms.
Taylor's recitation of Arabic during the prayers was
poor and her message during the sermon was unoriginal.


"I don't have a problem women leading prayer," he
said. But "many things were pushed beyond the envelope
in order to have the principle met.

"There was nothing explosive in what she said."

No problem in her leading the prayer, khutback lacked originality, and man her Arabic sucked.

Ehab, do me a favour and implode.

Mira
13-07-05, 07:15 AM
Thank you Amina Wadud!

"That they may bear their burdens undiminished on the Day of Resurrection, with somewhat of the burdens of those whom they mislead without knowledge. Alas! evil is that which they bear!" [16:25]

Khuzamah
13-07-05, 10:07 AM
:lahawla:

You'd think the ummah already has enough to deal with without these feminist trying to change the teachings of Islam.

I'm a woman, and i still fail to see what is so significance about women being all liberal and thinking that they are being oppressed by not being allowed to be a gorvener in a masjid board or leading men in prayers. Wal Audhu BilLah.

Next thing they'd be complaining about is "Oh why do we have to be pregnant why can't men be pregnant too" :rolleyes: I wouldn't put it past them.

Allah Ta'alaa designed our roles for us, and He would never be unjust to any of his slaves. Subhan Allah!

Have we strayed so far from the teachings of the Prophet :saw: that we make a mockery out of our own deen?

Walaahi i can't imagine how it would be standing before Allah Ta'alaa answering for our deeds. May Allah forgive us all.

very well said sister jazakallah

Guardian Hijab
14-07-05, 04:16 AM
:lahawla:

You'd think the ummah already has enough to deal with without these feminist trying to change the teachings of Islam.

I'm a woman, and i still fail to see what is so significance about women being all liberal and thinking that they are being oppressed by not being allowed to be a gorvener in a masjid board or leading men in prayers. Wal Audhu BilLah.

Next thing they'd be complaining about is "Oh why do we have to be pregnant why can't men be pregnant too" :rolleyes: I wouldn't put it past them.

Allah Ta'alaa designed our roles for us, and He would never be unjust to any of his slaves. Subhan Allah!

Have we strayed so far from the teachings of the Prophet :saw: that we make a mockery out of our own deen?

Walaahi i can't imagine how it would be standing before Allah Ta'alaa answering for our deeds. May Allah forgive us all.
Asalamualaikum

Ameen sis:)Ameen

Wa'alaikumasalam

Al-Nasser
14-07-05, 04:27 AM
PMU is the Canadian branch of MWU so it's not surprising....tell you what...let's ignore them and they will get bored and will start a new game

what hurts is that Pamela Taylor looks like a nice lady...Amina Wadud also looked like a nice lady but i found out about the stupid stuff she said in Malaysia and now i really despise her but Pamela Taylor looks kind...misguided Muslimah...not evil....that's my impression which might be wrong (as always mostly)

AbuMubarak
14-07-05, 04:29 AM
no goofy remarks yet?

this thing about women leading the salat is too stupid to even comment on

the only people who would remotely subscribe to such nonsense are nothing more that agents provocatours who are trying to add to confusion within the minds of muslims and portray islam in a bad light

can you imagine sisters leading salat? standing shoulder to shoulder, foot to foot with brothers?

how can you lower your gaze and you have a sister's butt in your face

this is truly too stupid of an issue for us to deal with, let her do her thing, the more we discuss it, the more attention it gets, no need to protest

one thing i realized about a lot of these new groups, their followers usually start off within the nonsense, and in time, Allah guides them towards islam

it was like this with the Ansarullah movement in brooklyn, the elijiah muhammad nonsense, and even a lot of sufi movements

after some time, people who follow these idiots eventually realize that they are not practicing islam and come to islam

Guardian Hijab
14-07-05, 04:33 AM
Asalamualaikum

like brother Malcolm X:) Good post brother:D, i'll take ur advice and let Allah take care of it all:up: He guides whom ever He pleases, and whatever my Lord wants

I want:)

Wa'alaikumasalam

Khuzamah
14-07-05, 10:18 AM
yeah thats true... may Allah guide them 2 practise Islam properly according 2 Quran and Sunnah :)