Which Madhab do you follow

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Assalam Alaykum

Please paticipate in this poll.

I must warn, the purpose of this thread is not to have endless discussions. Its for administration purposes and regarding some ideas we have for Muslim forum and learning Islam section etc.

[Mystique]

Wa Alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatu,

I follow Shafi'e and Hanafi....but also respect all four imams :) can i choose both?

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Wa Alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatu,

I follow Shafi'e and Hanafi....but also respect all four imams :) can i choose both?

hmm, yeah i guess so, if it allowed you.

[Mystique]

Nope it only allowed me to choose one so i choose Hanafi first....

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Nope it only allowed me to choose one so i choose Hanafi first....

cool
:up:

[Furqan]

Salafee is a madhab? :unsure:

I follow whatever I hear (obviously backed up with a daleel)... which madhab is that?

[Mira]

Aleykum al salaam,

So brother Salman, what are you guys (mods) up to? How is this information helpful?

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Salafee is a madhab? :unsure:

I follow whatever I hear (obviously backed up with a daleel)... which madhab is that?

Like I said, I dont want to debate. But if you know the sciences of usul, fiqh and hadith and can adopt on basis on strength of daleel by all means go for it. Select other.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Aleykum al salaam,

So brother Salman, what are you guys (mods) up to? How is this information helpful?

Walakumsalaam Bro

Only time will tell :D

[Mira]

Salafee is a madhab? :unsure:

I follow whatever I hear (obviously backed up with a daleel)... which madhab is that?

Yeah.

Parents are Shafe'i. Imam al-Shafe'i is 'cool' (I hope I'm not crossing the limits here, but you know what I mean). I like his poetry, but I'm not sure about sticking to one madhab. All seem to have good answers for different issues.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Yeah.

Parents are Shafe'i. Imam al-Shafe'i is 'cool' (I hope I'm not crossing the limits here, but you know what I mean). I like his poetry, but I'm not sure about sticking to one madhab. All seem to have good answers for different issues.

Imam Shafi's poetry? Interesting

[Furqan]

Like I said, I dont want to debate. But if you know the sciences of usul, fiqh and hadith and can adopt on basis on strength of daleel by all means go for it. Select other.I dunno any of that :crying:

I agree abt not following one Madhab...

I will select other...

[imran1976]

i follow Hanafi' school, but respect others as well..!

[Mira]

Imam Shafi's poetry? Interesting

Yup! :D

He has a deewan. It's beautiful.

[Bostik]

I follow the Hanafi' madhab

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Yup! :D

He has a deewan. It's beautiful.

Unfortuently for me, it hasnt been translated yet.. i think :(

[SlaveOfAllah]

I am a Muslim!

My Madhab is Islam and I follow Muhammad PBUH and Companions and Aslaaf asSaalih.

"And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhaajiroun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madeenah) and the Ansaar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped and gave aid to the Muhaajiroun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success." [alQuran 9: 100]

I donot follow any particular madhabi school. But respect them because all Imaams followed Muhammad PBUH.

I want an answer: Tell me who Muhammad PBUH was? whether Sunni - Shia - Hanafi - Shafiee - Hanbali - Maaliki or what?? I think he was just a Muslim so I am just a Muslim.

Allah (swt) says “…establish the deen and do not make divisions in it…” (ash Shoora 42:15)

“And hold fast to the rope of Allah (i.e. Quraan) all together and do not divide….” (aali I’mraan 3:103)

[Mira]

Unfortuently for me, it hasnt been translated yet.. i think :(

This happens to be the most famous qaseeda written by al-Imam al-Shafe'i.

http://alnoha.com/ash3ar/shaf3ee.htm

[Salman Al-Farsi]

This happens to be the most famous qaseeda written by al-Imam al-Shafe'i.

http://alnoha.com/ash3ar/shaf3ee.htm

Thanks for remind me, I need to learn Arabic :p

[Mira]

Thanks for remind me, I need to learn Arabic :p

I thought you already did :D

I found this (http://www.sunnah.org/publication/khulafa_rashideen/shafii.htm):

Abu Hatim narrated from Harmala that al-Shafi`i said: "The Caliphs (al-khulafâ’) are five: Abu Bakr, `Umar, `Uthman, `Ali, and `Umar ibn `Abd al-`Aziz." In his Diwan he named them "leaders of their people, by whose guidance one obtains guidance," and declaimed of the Family of the Prophet:

The Family of the Prophet are my intermediary to him! (wasîlatî)

Through them I hope to be given my record with the right hand.

and:

O Family of Allah’s Messenger! To love you is an obligation

Which Allah ordained and revealed in the Qur’an.

It is enough proof of your immense glory that

Whoever invokes not blessings upon you, his prayer is invalid.

[cheeky]

Shaf'i

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Shaf'i

:up:

not many of you around though, looking at the poll. I though it be a tough one between hanafee and Shafi' :p

[Mira]

not many of you around though,

But we stand out :cool:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

But we stand out :cool:

yeah, I have to agree with that :up:

[jabaraltariq]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

Hanafi.

But on contemporary issues such as voting, "halal" mortgages, "Islamic" Banking and so on, I do go and research into the subject and ask scholars from different schools for their opinions and daleel (although I understad that they may differ in usul which is dependent upon the madhab they are from) before I adopt an opinion.

And Allah knows best.

Wasalamu alaikum

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullah

Hanafi.

But on contemporary issues such as voting, "halal" mortgages, "Islamic" Banking and so on, I do go and research into the subject and ask scholars from different schools for their opinions and daleel (although I understad that they may differ in usul which is dependent upon the madhab they are from) before I adopt an opinion.

And Allah knows best.

Wasalamu alaikum

Wa Alaykum As-Salam akhee :)

Thats a good view. Mashalah :up:

[SoulAsylum]

Follow the Hanafi madhab..... But was just wondering if u wanted to change madhabs, like if u were hanafi and wanted to start practicing shaafii...could you do that ? Anybody know?

[Mira]

Follow the Hanafi madhab..... But was just wondering if u wanted to change madhabs, like if u were hanafi and wanted to start practicing shaafii...could you do that ? Anybody know?

I think it's alright. It's not like you're changing religions :)

Let's say you were enrolled by your parents in this school [of thought], and then you decided, maybe you like that other school [of thought] better. Doesn't mean your parents' choice of school was bad or wrong. It's just that you seem to be comfortable with something else.

Oh, and this is not a fatwa, of course.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I think it's alright. It's not like you're changing religions :)

Let's say you were enrolled by your parents in this school [of thought], and then you decided, maybe you like that other school [of thought] better. Doesn't mean your parents' choice of school was bad or wrong. It's just that you seem to be comfortable with something else.

Oh, and this is not a fatwa, of course.

yeah, thats right.

But it should be done for the right reasons not because one maybe easier than the other. so if there is more literature available, or yo know more scholars from that school, its worth switching over.

[Niqaabi]

Dawatus salafiyyah is not a group.
i would have to say anna at'aba as salafus salih insha'Allah. i think that means i am a follower of the pious predecessors if Allah wills! wo0oho0o.

i follow all imams, when it comes to difference of opinion then i take the strongest.

[Saifullah]

Alhamdulilah Hanafee and sometimes Shafi ... if i am feeling lazy, kidding!

Yeah you can follow any of the madhabs, and switch, but you cant mix and mash them, for example you are praying with hanafee rules and decide to change half way through your prayer to shafi rules, you must follow it through with the one you have started with, or else you may, unknown to you, miss out an important component, making your act incomplete, allahu alim.

:D

[Naida]

Hanafi mostly because most of my schooling was given by hanafi imams and teachers.

On certain fiqh issues, however, I take from the Shafi'i madhab.

May Allah guide us all, inshaAllah.

[niqaabi_18]

i was told im a hanafi...though i dnt know what the difference is in the 4 mathabs
lol

[Salman Al-Farsi]

oh look. we have a hambali here too :D

and dont Maliki's use Ummah forum? :rolleyes: (I kinda predicted that) :p

[Al-ghurabah]

ifollow the strongest opinion given by live scholars on any matter.

[faqir]

:salams

There was a similar poll conducted previously.

I voted Hanafee - only because I couldn't find Hanafi.

[Saifullah]

:salams

There was a similar poll conducted previously.

I voted Hanafee - only because I couldn't find Hanafi.

LOL!

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:up:

[AbuMusaab]

I chose Hanafi, but I prefer not to be placed in a "category."

I'm a Muslim. Period.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I chose Hanafi, but I prefer not to be placed in a "category."

I'm a Muslim. Period.


The poll is anonymous, just gathering info for admin purposes not going to discriminate against minority. :p

Take my word bro. :D

[Mira]

The poll is anonymous, just gathering info for admin purposes not going to discriminate against minority. :p

Take my word bro. :D

Discriminating against minority?

It always has been the case that minority ruled :cool:

[Marwan]

I don't follow any particular Muadhab..................anymore.........yes, CW, I caved in.:D

[Chained_Water]

NB: ~ahem~ I am making no real comment on the topic but I have voted :eek: ..but the vote only represents what fiqh I generally go to when I need answers.. I'm not ruling out everything else though nor ruling out the possibility of following a different interpretation.

OK, now I've gone and made a comment on it :p

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Discriminating against minority?

It always has been the case that minority ruled :cool:

Thats correct, but only if there is a political vacume. ;)

[Kaaju Barfi]

i follow maliki madhab :)

[Khadhijah]

I do not follow any particular madhab

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I do not follow any particular madhab

did yo click others?

[Khadhijah]

did yo click others?
Yep

[Amatullah_]

Hanafi

[Othman]

Hanafi.

And I'm amazed at the number of people we have here that can choose the strongest opinion amongst the different opinions of the A'imma. Or so they think...

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Hanafi.

And I'm amazed at the number of people we have here that can choose the strongest opinion amongst the different opinions of the A'imma. Or so they think...

yeah, Mashalah we have some very knowledgeable brothers and sisters here... who have the ability to do this. :rolleyes:

[Semantic]

Wa Alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatu,

I follow Shafi'e and Hanafi....but also respect all four imams :) can i choose both?

That would make you Shanafi :)

I follow the Maliki methodology in my fiqh.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Sorry, I had to delete the above posts, as I do not wish for this thread to turn into a big debate on Madhabs.

Please state or click one of the options, if you feel you do not fit in one of the categories select 'other'. There is no need to explain why you follow one or why not.

Jazakallahu khayr for your co-operation

Assalam Alaykum

[Khuzamah]

me = hanafi
hubby = shafi'i

(baby = hanbali :D )

[Makki]

hanafi

[Saifullah]

delete this post, please. :)

Mod comments: We will have to charge you for this one.

[someguy]

Hanafi :D

[Resistance]

i like your ID bro :D

i'm thinking of creating EXTERMIST or FUNDAMENTALIST or RADICAL ISLAMIST lol


I am a Muslim!

My Madhab is Islam and I follow Muhammad PBUH and Companions and Aslaaf asSaalih.

"And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhaajiroun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madeenah) and the Ansaar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped and gave aid to the Muhaajiroun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success." [alQuran 9: 100]

I donot follow any particular madhabi school. But respect them because all Imaams followed Muhammad PBUH.

I want an answer: Tell me who Muhammad PBUH was? whether Sunni - Shia - Hanafi - Shafiee - Hanbali - Maaliki or what?? I think he was just a Muslim so I am just a Muslim.

Allah (swt) says “…establish the deen and do not make divisions in it…” (ash Shoora 42:15)

“And hold fast to the rope of Allah (i.e. Quraan) all together and do not divide….” (aali I’mraan 3:103)

[Resistance]

Sorry, I had to delete the above posts, as I do not wish for this thread to turn into a big debate on Madhabs.


if you are too smart then why did you start this thread to begin with bro?

no offensive bro

i don't like people asking what madhab you follow you know.

what does OTHER means in this poll?

and i wonder who are they who vote more then 10% (other)

anyway take it easy.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

if you are too smart then why did you start this thread to begin with bro?

no offensive bro

i don't like people asking what madhab you follow you know.

what does OTHER means in this poll?

and i wonder who are they who vote more then 10% (other)

anyway take it easy.


Assalam Alaykum Brother

I am not smart. May Allah tala forgive me.

Please read the first post, which may explain why this thread was started.

[T.H]

i ascribe to the hanafi mahab now, i was @str@y but i c@me b@ck to isl@m so that makes me sunni.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

i ascribe to the hanafi mahab now, i was @str@y but i c@me b@ck to isl@m so that makes me sunni.

Mashallah bro :). Your 'a' still not working?

[*islamia]

i dunno which really, i am betwenn an hanbli and salfee

[Mujaheedah]

ameen

[faqir]

:salams

For the six Shafi'is... I came accross an interesting book on-line you may be interested in:

http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/~bvon/pages/ajwiba.html

Wasalaam.

[Survivor]

I follow Imam Abu Hanifa (r.a.).

[nopah]

I follow Mazhab Muhamad SAW.:up:

[Al-Irhaab]

hanafi....

should have clicked salafi to make my salafi brothers look more ;)

i think a lot who have clicked others would be classed as salafi non...

unless we got some raafidah in here :55:

[Al-Irhaab]

:scratch:

[Niqaabi]

what do you click when you follow all? :confused:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

what do you click when you follow all? :confused:


You cant possibly follow all, unless you are a Mujtahid mutlaq.

[Niqaabi]

well i follow some of abu haneefah's opinions, and some of imam malik, also imam Ahmad's and also imam shaf'ee.
I dont stick to one, just kind of follow the one with the most daleel, and sometimes varies between them.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

well i follow some of abu haneefah's opinions, and some of imam malik, also imam Ahmad's and also imam shaf'ee.
I dont stick to one, just kind of follow the one with the most daleel, and sometimes varies between them.

MashAllah you must be a very knowledgeable sister to be able to wieght up opinions.

[Niqaabi]

no im not actually, i look at opinions and the one with more hadeeths and surahs in favour of that opinion i take.
like i said, i dont like sticking to one, i take the one with more daleel. Though to be fair, id say i follow more of shaf'ee opinions. i think... :scratch:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

no im not actually, i look at opinions and the one with more hadeeths and surahs in favour of that opinion i take.
like i said, i dont like sticking to one, i take the one with more daleel. Though to be fair, id say i follow more of shaf'ee opinions. i think... :scratch:

lol

Just out of curiosity do you just cruise on websites or actually study under sholars of different madhabs? Which Shafi' book of fiqh do you refer to.. maybe you can recommend me one.

[Huda]

the way of the prophet SAW and the sahabas and the rightly guided ones that followed...

btw didn't know salafee was a madhab too...

[Huda]

jus a suggestion...instead of 'others' there shud be 'none' coz 'others' implies that a person follows some other madhab other than the ones stated...

[AbuMubarak]

i am with sister niqaabi

i read all of the opions and pick the one i think best represents the way of the prophet and companions

or as Allah says, when you differ, refer matters back to Allah and His Messenger for a final determination

[Mujaheedah]

yea the 4 imams themselves told us that if something they said was wrong to throw it against a wall. and yes u can folow all 4 madhhabs you can take whichever ones got more proofs.

[Mujaheedah]

Linguistically, taqleed means: Placing something around the neck, which encircles the neck. Technically it means: Following he whose sayings is not a proof (hujjah). So long as a Muslim is following the correct evidence (daleel) and has the desire to follow the Sunnah properly, there is no harm in following any of the Imams when it comes to rules of fiqh. In the case of the ordinary Muslim (who is not educated in fiqh), his madhhab (school of thought) is that of the mufti whose knowledge he trusts. But problems of the worst type occur when people become fanatically devoted to one particular Imam or Madhhab, to the extent that they reject the truth or ignore other sound evidence because of this.

Allaah warns against rejecting the word of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) (interpretation of the meaning): “… And let those who oppose the Messenger’s commandment (i.e., his Sunnah) (among the sects) beware, lest some fitnah (disbelief, trials, afflictions, etc.) befall them or a painful torment be inflicted on them.” [al-Noor 24:63]

"Indeed the people of Truth and the Sunnah do not follow anyone [unconditionally] except the messenger of Allaah SAW, the one who does not speak from his desires - it is only revelation revealed to him."



The Basis of Islaam is to Act upon
the Book and the Sunnah By Shaikh Muhammad Sultaan al-Ma`soomoee Source: Hadiyyat us-Sultaan ilaa Muslimee Bilaad al-Yaabaan salafipublications



This is the deen of islaam in truth and its fundamental and its basis is the Book and the Sunnah. So they are the points of reference in every dispute that the Muslims fall into and he who refers back to other than them is not a believer! As Allah the most Most high says:

"But no,by your Lord,they can have no faith,until they make you (O Muhammad (saw) judge in all disputes between them and find in the,selves no resistance against your decisions and accept (them) with full submission.[1]

Not one of the scholars said, 'follow me in my opinion' rather they said, 'take from where we have taken,' besides, much has been added to these madhabs from the understanding of their later generations[2]. They contain many errors and matters of conjecture,which if the Imaams to whom they are attributed were to see them, then they would absolve themselves of them and from those who said them.

All of the people of knowledge from the Pious predecessors clung to the manifest texts of the Book and thew Sunnah and encouraged the people to stick to them and act accordingly. This is established from the Imaams from amongst them. Abu Haneefah, Maalik, Ahmad,ash-Shafiee, the two Sufyaans, ath-Tahwree and Ibn Uyaiynah, al-Hasan al-Basree, Abu Yousuf Yaqoob-the Qadee, Muhammad ibn al-Hasan ash-Shaybaanee, Abdur Rahmaan al-Awzaee, Abdullah ibn al-Mubarak, al-Bukharee, Muslim and the rest (ra). All of them warned against innovations in the Deen and against blind following of anyone except the infallible Messenger (saw). As for other than him, then he is fallible whoever he may be, his saying which is in accordance wiht the Book and the Sunnah is accepted and that which goes against them is to be rejected. As Imaam Maalik (ra) said, "The saying of everyone may be taken or rejected except for the companion of this grave" and he pointed to the grave of the Prophet (saw) [3]

The scholars,the four Imaams and the others, all followed this way,all of them warned against blind following! Since Allaah, the Most High, condemned the blind followers in more than one place in His book. Most of the earlier and later people became disbelievers due to their blind following of their priests, rabbis, old people and forefathers. It is established from Imaams Abu Haneefah (ra), Maailik,ash-Shafiee, Ahmad and others (ra) -that they said:

"It is not permissible for any one to give judgement with our saying unless they know the source from which we took it" [4]

"If the hadeeth is found to be authentic then it is my madhab" [5]

"If I say something then compare it to the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of His Messenger and if it agrees to them,then accept it and that which goes against them,then reject it and throw my saying against the wall".[6]

These are the sayings of these prominent Imaams, may allaah enter them into the Home of Peace.Unfortunately, the later blind followers and authors who wrote the books, whom the people think to be scholars and infallible mujtahids, have made it obligatory for the people to blindly follow one of the four Imaams and their well known madhaabs. After declaring this to be obligatory, they forbade taking or acting upon anyone else's saying,it is as if they have made him (ie the Imaam) Prophet to be obeyed. It would have been better had they acted upon the sayings of the Imaams.However, most of them know nothing of the Imaam whom they claim to follow,except his name. Further,some of the latter followers invented questions, created new madhabs and ascribed them to the original Imaams. So those who came after them think that it is the saying of the Imaaam or his students and in reality it goes against what the Imaam said and approved;he is free from what they ascribe to him, such as the saying of many of the later Hanafees that it is forbidden to point the forefinger in the tashshuud in prayer [6] or that what is meant by Allah's hand id His power,or that He is present by His Dhaat (self) in every place and not above the Arsh because of this and its like the unity of the Muslims has been destroyed their community has seperated, the splits increased and the horizons filled with hypocrisy and disunity!Each of them declaring those who differ from them in the slightest matter to be upon misguidance ,to the extent that some of them declare the others to be disbelievers and some striking the necks of the others to be disbelievers and some striking the necks of the others and have become fitting for what the truthful and trustworthy Messenger, the most noble of us ,Muhammad(saw) said, "My Ummah will split into seventy -three sects,all of them in the fire except one" It was said, 'Who are they O Messenger of Allaah? He said, "That which I and my Companions are upon" [7]

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams


I follow hanafi although i didn't know it, but i don't agree 100% on everything therefore look to other madhab answers and if i agree with them then I use that answer, is this permissable? As Brother Abu Mubarak's logic seems good enough for back up.

:salams

[Umm Layth]

I think its erroneous to say one can approach Quran and Sunnah wihtout having qualifications to do so.

We have the examples of the sahabah, Tabay and Tabay Tabieen and Salaf as-Saliheen but only amongst those who did approach Quran and sunnah were those who were knowledgeable enough. Otheres followed opinions of the scholarly amongst them, alot of the sahabah followed opinions of Ibn Umar, Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud (ra) etc. How can it be that poeple who lived with the Prophet (saw) and had more knowledge than all of us put together did not feel comfortable to pick and choose that some amongst us who don't even know arabic just pick the best fatwa from the net???

Basically if one does not haev qualifications to judge strength of Daleel, they will pick and chose on the basis of what convinces the heart. The heart is always inclined towards what it likes. So if the heart is inlined towards homosexuality, the person will find the fatwa making it legitimate the strongest. This maybe a harsh exmaple, but lets take another example, if a sister is not inclined towards wearing a Niqaab, fatwa which makes it only Mustahab will seem stronger to her, same with brother who doesnt wish to grow a beard.

This is what I have experienced with people who make claims that they follow Quran and Sunnah only or they follow evidences, most cases they dont know abc of usul al-fiqhi or rules of istilah or nakhs. They are actually following their nafs and Hawaa over text. So if they think Maryrdom operation is good they find a fatwa to say its good, if they dont like it they find a fatwa which says its suicide and haram. There is no sincerity left in teh so called "INTERNET GOOGLE ISLAM'

I am afraid to say :(

[Umm Layth]

the way of the prophet SAW and the sahabas and the rightly guided ones that followed...

btw didn't know salafee was a madhab too...

Salafiyyah of today is not a Madhab but a sect (created to protect the house of soud), actually they claim its the only 'saved sect'. :rotfl:

[Kaaju Barfi]

I think your best following one of 4 qualfied mujtahid mutlaq. That way you won't go wrong as these blessed men are experts in deen and i wud rather follow an imam. I have chosen the mathab of imam malik.

[faqir]

:salams




Imam al-Qurtubi's Verdict on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6900)

Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21917&postcount=1)

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali and others on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5835)



Wasalam.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:salams




Imam al-Qurtubi's Verdict on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=6900)

Ibn al-Qayyim al-Jawziyyah on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showpost.php?p=21917&postcount=1)

Ibn Rajab al-Hanbali and others on TAQLID (http://www.sunniforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5835)



Wasalam.

JazakAllahu khayr :)

[Niqaabi]

I think its erroneous to say one can approach Quran and Sunnah wihtout having qualifications to do so.

We have the examples of the sahabah, Tabay and Tabay Tabieen and Salaf as-Saliheen but only amongst those who did approach Quran and sunnah were those who were knowledgeable enough. Otheres followed opinions of the scholarly amongst them, alot of the sahabah followed opinions of Ibn Umar, Ibn Abbas, Ibn Masud (ra) etc. How can it be that poeple who lived with the Prophet (saw) and had more knowledge than all of us put together did not feel comfortable to pick and choose that some amongst us who don't even know arabic just pick the best fatwa from the net???

Basically if one does not haev qualifications to judge strength of Daleel, they will pick and chose on the basis of what convinces the heart. The heart is always inclined towards what it likes. So if the heart is inlined towards homosexuality, the person will find the fatwa making it legitimate the strongest. This maybe a harsh exmaple, but lets take another example, if a sister is not inclined towards wearing a Niqaab, fatwa which makes it only Mustahab will seem stronger to her, same with brother who doesnt wish to grow a beard.

This is what I have experienced with people who make claims that they follow Quran and Sunnah only or they follow evidences, most cases they dont know abc of usul al-fiqhi or rules of istilah or nakhs. They are actually following their nafs and Hawaa over text. So if they think Maryrdom operation is good they find a fatwa to say its good, if they dont like it they find a fatwa which says its suicide and haram. There is no sincerity left in teh so called "INTERNET GOOGLE ISLAM'

I am afraid to say :(
who said anything about fatwas?
If i need to know about salah, i would find books and internet articles from all four imams, the one with the most hadeeth and surahs supporting that opinion, i would take.
I thought fatwas were for specific issues for different people, and [/I]some[I] general ones you can find.

Salafiyyah of today is not a Madhab but a sect (created to protect the house of soud), actually they claim its the only 'saved sect' funny how its always the non-salafees who come with that. :rolleyes:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

no im not actually, i look at opinions and the one with more hadeeths and surahs in favour of that opinion i take.
like i said, i dont like sticking to one, i take the one with more daleel. Though to be fair, id say i follow more of shaf'ee opinions. i think... :scratch:

lol

Just out of curiosity do you just cruise on websites or actually study under sholars of different madhabs? Which Shafi' book of fiqh do you refer to.. maybe you can recommend me one.

[Niqaabi]

lol

Just out of curiosity do you just cruise on websites or actually study under sholars of different madhabs? Which Shafi' book of fiqh do you refer to.. maybe you can recommend me one.
If i need to know about anything like salah, i would find books and internet articles from all four imams, the one with the most hadeeth and surahs supporting that opinion, i would take.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

If i need to know about anything like salah, i would find books and internet articles from all four imams, the one with the most hadeeth and surahs supporting that opinion, i would take.


And what if it so happends that there is no daleel available on the internet or book available in english? like is the case with most of fiqh of Shafi', hanafi etc?

Even then you are not following Quran and sunnah you are following a scholars interpretation of Quran and Sunnah. When each of the four scholars or any Mujtahid derives an opinion its only his interpretation of the text based on his understanding of usul al-fiqh. So you are basically doing taqleed with his interpretation and opinion of Quran and sunnnah.

Please refer to the advice of scholars posted by Faqir regarding this issue.

I just find it strange that the great scholars of Islam stuck with one madhab and each scholar even Mujtahid were known to be followers of a Madhab. Somehow we have people today who think they can mix and match.

indeed we live in strange times. :(

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Another important point I must add here is that when scholars like Imam ibn abdul Wahaab (rha) taught poeple to refer to Quran and Sunnah it was due to a problem they sensed. They sensed that poeple are involved in excessive Taqleed, they saw that even scholars are not doing ijtihad but re-producing old books of fiqh or applying old fiqh manuals on new realities.

Gaining the sacred knowledge is fardh on every Muslim, its fardh on each and everyone of us to learn Usul and fiqh, to learn Arabic, to learn sciences of hadith and sciences of Quran. This is the true meaning of following Quran and sunnah, when one possesses knowledge of these to some degree studied in traditioanl way under guidance of scholars.

Just reading stuff on the net or books, like reading kitab salah of al-bani or bin Baz is hardly seeking knowledge but doing taqleed with his interpretation of text. Following Quran and sunnah means having the knowledge to look at Quran and Sunnah or to follow an interpreation of a scholar and be convinced of it to the extend you believe its the haqq and the strongest opinion out of all the rest.

[AbuMubarak]

i agree, akhi

[wanna.be.martyr]

edited* but wait!

[Hamoudeh]

Assalamu Alaikum


I wanted to comment briefly on two points:

Another important point I must add here is that when scholars like Imam ibn abdul Wahaab (rha) taught poeple to refer to Quran and Sunnah it was due to a problem they sensed. They sensed that poeple are involved in excessive Taqleed, they saw that even scholars are not doing ijtihad but re-producing old books of fiqh or applying old fiqh manuals on new realities.

What ought to be pointed out is that there are 2 general opinions concerning Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab amongst the Ahl al-Sunna.

1) That he was heavily deviated in his views, and brought much misery upon the Ummah.
2) That he is misinterpreted and misinterpreted by his followers.

The majority view tends towards the first, a minority often found amongst the scholars of Dar al-Ulum and scholars who have incorporated certain Salafi methodologies tends towards the second. His brother, Shaykh Sulayman Ibn Abdul Wahhab is amongst the first group. I personally have no opinion on this, but it is necessary to be pointed out when it comes to the controversial views of Shaykh Muhammad.

Gaining the sacred knowledge is fardh on every Muslim, its fardh on each and everyone of us to learn Usul and fiqh, to learn Arabic, to learn sciences of hadith and sciences of Quran. This is the true meaning of following Quran and sunnah, when one possesses knowledge of these to some degree studied in traditioanl way under guidance of scholars.

This is a wonderful ideal, but it comes along with it being Haram for someone to form an opinion and moreso propagate this opinion based on an insufficient insight in the above mentioned. Shaykh Muhammad was not a Mujtahid, as such this applies to himself as well.

In any case that what you mention in the third part of your post is a very good point.

Ma`salam

[faqir]

“That as for their saying, ‘How can you leave clear Qur’anic verses and sound hadiths and follow the Imams in their ijtihads, which have a clear probability of error,’”

His answer to them is as follows:

“Surely the following of our [rightly guided] Imams is not abandoning the Qur’anic verses or the sound hadiths; it is the very essence of adhering to them and taking our judgements from them. This is because the Qur’an has not come down to us except by means of these very Imams [who are more worthy of following] by virtue of being more knowledgeable than us in [the sciences of] the abrogating and abrogated, the absolute and the conditional, the equivocal and the clarifying, the probabilistic and the plain, the circumstances surrounding revelation and their various meanings, as well as their possible interpretations and various linguistic and philological considerations, [not to mention] the various other ancillary sciences [involved in understanding the Qur’an] needed.

“Also, they took all of that from the students of the companions ([i]tabi’in) who received their instruction from the companions themselves, who received their instructions from the Lawgiver himself, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, divinely protected from every mistake, who bore witness that the first three generations of Muslims would be ones of virtue and righteousness. Furthermore, the prophetic traditions have also reached us through their means given that they were also more knowledgeable than us through their means given that they were also more knowledgeable than those who came after them concerning the rigorously authenticated (sahih), the well authenticated (hasan), and the weak (da’if) channels of transmission, as well as the marfu’u (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#40)4, mursal (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#50)5,mutawatir (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#60)6, ahad (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#70)7, mu’dal (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#80)8 and gharib (http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm#90)9 transmissions.

“Thus, as far as this little band of men is concerned, there is only one of two possibilities: either they are attributing ignorance to Imams whose knowledge is considered by consensus to have reached human perfection as witnessed in several traditions of the truthful Lawgiver, upon him be prayers and peace, or they are actually attributing misguidance and lack of din to Imams who are all from the best of generations by the testimony of the magnificent Messenger himself, may Allah bless him and grant him peace. Surely, it is not the eyes that are blind, but blind are the hearts in our breasts.

As for their saying to the one who imitates Malik, for example, “We say to you ‘Allah says’ or ‘the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, says’ and you reply, ‘Malik says’, or ‘Ibn al-Qasim says’, or ‘Khalil says’, for example,” our response is that the follower who says, “Malik says . . . etc.,” means that, “Malik says based on his deep understanding of the Word of Allah, or of the words of the Messenger, or of those firmly adhering to the actions of the companions, or of the tabi’in who understood clearly the Word of Allah and the word of the Messenger of Allah or took their example from the actions of His Messenger.” And the meaning of [a follower] saying “Ibn al-Qasim said . . .” is that he has [faithfully] transmitted what Malik said based on his understanding of the Word of Allah or of what Ibn al-Qasim himself understood from the word of Allah the Most Exalted. And the meaning of him saying, “Khalil said . . . .”, for example, is that he is transmitting only from those [Imams] aforementioned. As for Malik and Ibn al-Qasim, they are both Imams whose spiritual and judicial authority is agreed upon by unanimous consensus of this Umma; and they are both from the best of generations.

As for the one who leaves their leadership and says, “Allah said and His Messenger said . . . ,” he has relied solely on his own understanding despite the fact that he is incapable of having any precision in the verses and hadiths that he quotes since he is unable even to provide chains of transmission [with any authority], let alone that he lacks knowledge concerning the abrogated, the absolute and the conditional, the ambiguous and the clarifying, the apparent and the textual, the general and the specific, the dimensions of the Arabic and the cause for revelation, the various linguistic considerations, and other various ancillary sciences needed. So, consider for yourself which is preferable: the word of a follower who simply quotes the understanding of Malik, an Imam by consensus—or the word of this ignoramus who said “Allah said and His Messenger said . . . .” But it is not the sight that goes blind, but rather the hearts in our breasts.



see http://www.themodernreligion.com/basic/madhab/madhab-fatwa.htm

[Niqaabi]

Very true bro, but everyone has their own situation and issues, not everyone is as independant as you.
You cant expect me, a sister to travel the world by myself to gain knowledge, yes knowledge is fardh, but there are so many complications and so much fitnah id bring upon myself if i were to go alone.
So this is the best i can do for now, make duah that i am able to achieve more.

anyways, i think you might have misunderstood my point, im all because i take from all. i dont think to myself, oh i mostly take from imam shaf'ee rahimullah, that means i can only take from him, because sometimes even he was wrong, May Allah reward him for his mistakes and grant him Jannah!

[faqir]

:salams

I would like to know sister how you have determined where Imam Shafi'i was "wrong"?

[Niqaabi]

:salams

I would like to know sister how you have determined where Imam Shafi'i was "wrong"?
i havent seen where he was wrong, but that doesnt mean he wasnt or he was. My point is, he is human, even he will make mistakes :)

[faqir]

Of course he may have made mistakes as may have everyone else but there are some points to consider.

1) following a Madhab is not just following the opinion of the founder Imam. Rather it is following the mashur / popular opinion agreed by the hundreds of scholars who followed the imam.

2) how do you determine when or where a ruling from a Madhab is a "mistake" and thereby you drop that opinion and follow another which you deem "stronger"

J/K for your reply.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

i havent seen where he was wrong, but that doesnt mean he wasnt or he was. My point is, he is human, even he will make mistakes :)

Though I agree, but we have to be very careful when we say he made 'mistakes', the correct statement should be 'some of his opinions are weak' because it is not our place to judge his opinions or deem them a 'mistake' rather we can say its weak based on the opinion of the scholar we follow. So for example, some of the opinions of Imam Shafi' were challenged by scholars of similar repute like Imam ash-Shaybani the foremost student of Imam Azzam (may Allah raise him amongst the Prophets).

The difference is when we see some scholars of today who make fatwas which are clear cut against Islam such as allowing the US to have a military base in Arabia, or issuing fatwas saying there is no Jihaad in Falastine and Palestinians should migrate to avoid fitnah. These are mistakes which does not require a scholar of similar repute to refute, moreover such scholars should be given no credibility and carrying on to follow them is the kind of excessive Taqleed which is disrecommended.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Assalamu Alaikum


I wanted to comment briefly on two points:



What ought to be pointed out is that there are 2 general opinions concerning Shaykh Muhammad Ibn Abd al-Wahhab amongst the Ahl al-Sunna.

1) That he was heavily deviated in his views, and brought much misery upon the Ummah.
2) That he is misinterpreted and misinterpreted by his followers.

The majority view tends towards the first, a minority often found amongst the scholars of Dar al-Ulum and scholars who have incorporated certain Salafi methodologies tends towards the second. His brother, Shaykh Sulayman Ibn Abdul Wahhab is amongst the first group. I personally have no opinion on this, but it is necessary to be pointed out when it comes to the controversial views of Shaykh Muhammad.



This is a wonderful ideal, but it comes along with it being Haram for someone to form an opinion and moreso propagate this opinion based on an insufficient insight in the above mentioned. Shaykh Muhammad was not a Mujtahid, as such this applies to himself as well.

In any case that what you mention in the third part of your post is a very good point.

Ma`salam

Walakum As salaam

JazakAllahu khayr for your input, but I personally do not subscribe to any of these views regarding Shaykh ibn Abdul Wahaab (May Allah forgive his mistakes). I believe there is a stark difference between his teachings and what his followers implemented alongside the al-Saud.

[Niqaabi]

Of course he may have made mistakes as may have everyone else but there are some points to consider.

1) following a Madhab is not just following the opinion of the founder Imam. Rather it is following the mashur / popular opinion agreed by the hundreds of scholars who followed the imam.

2) how do you determine when or where a ruling from a Madhab is a "mistake" and thereby you drop that opinion and follow another which you deem "stronger"

J/K for your reply.
good points akhi, :up:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Very true bro, but everyone has their own situation and issues, not everyone is as independant as you.
You cant expect me, a sister to travel the world by myself to gain knowledge, yes knowledge is fardh, but there are so many complications and so much fitnah id bring upon myself if i were to go alone.
So this is the best i can do for now, make duah that i am able to achieve more.

anyways, i think you might have misunderstood my point, im all because i take from all. i dont think to myself, oh i mostly take from imam shaf'ee rahimullah, that means i can only take from him, because sometimes even he was wrong, May Allah reward him for his mistakes and grant him Jannah!

inshaAllah i understand it now, May Allah tala reward you for you preseverence.

BTW one doesnt need to travel china to learn islam, infact UK has many credible tradional institutions and Ulema who hold halaqahs. Its just matter of making the effort, because we go to uni and get bogged down with courseworks and exams but rarely spend the same time and energy in learning the sciences of our deen which is fardh. Thats something for all of us to think about though. :)

[Niqaabi]

inshaAllah i understand it now, May Allah tala reward you for you preseverence.

BTW one doesnt need to travel china to learn islam, infact UK has many credible tradional institutions and Ulema who hold halaqahs. Its just matter of making the effort, because we go to uni and get bogged down with courseworks and exams but rarely spend the same time and energy in learning the sciences of our deen which is fardh. Thats something for all of us to think about though. :)
Its the same thing for me, whether i go to china (weird choice of country :S) or LOC, its the travelling my family are worried about.
Mum's extra strict after the london bombings and im banned from using the trains, :rolleyes:
The sources i have now is what i have to deal with, but right now, im concentrating more on learning surahs and the meaning, once again from a particular interperter :)
Make duah, that wherever i am, i am able to practise freely.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

actualy i said China because of the narration attributed to the prophet (saw) 'seek knowledge, even if you have to go china', there is a dispute on its authencity i think. :scratch:

[Supernova Nebula]

actualy i said China because of the narration attributed to the prophet (saw) 'seek knowledge, even if you have to go china', there is a dispute on its authencity i think. :scratch:

yea, it's not sahih.

[Niqaabi]

actualy i said China because of the narration attributed to the prophet (saw) 'seek knowledge, even if you have to go china', there is a dispute on its authencity i think. :scratch:
LOL ok

[Al-Irhaab]

yea, it's not sahih.

even the weak opinions can be used when they express preference of a good action or a place or person... as stated by imam ahmed ibn hanble ;)

[AbuSadiq]

Salafiy

[Abu Haq]

Salam,

I chose Hanafi or 'Hanafee' as its referred here, as the majority of the manner of actions that I commit to are in line with the Hanafi school of thought (such as in the act of Sallah), which is in itself perfectly in line with the Sunnah as is that of other Madhaibs and those that ascribe themselves to Salafiyyah (though I wouldn't necessarily class it a Madhab myself.)

There really is no problem as I see it with or without a Madhab, if the Fiqh itself is derived from the Sunnah we can't be wrong. I must admit however, that it is true that I have on occasions adoptly the rulings outside the immediate Hanafi school (not due to easiness etc.) but because they seemed to be more sound or closer/ stronger to the Sunnah in light of the evidence- but have been careful that this is done not out of haste, zeal, etc but from guidance of Imams, scholars from Hanafi and Salafi etc. backgrounds.

All advice I can give is avoid harshness to one another and rigidness as beng a Super- Hanafi/ Salafi and thinking ONLY your way is correct and all else wrong no matter what is blind following by every definition whether a Super this or a Super that.

Also people be well grounded in the decisions you make so that the Shaytan doesn't make you have doubts and create problems between your brothers and sisters- make close brothers/ sisters whom are of varied Madhaibs and learn from scholars and teachers from varied schools of thought so long as the Qur'an and Sunnah are not forsaken or sidelined.

Ws

Abu Haq

[Hamoudeh]

Walakum As salaam

JazakAllahu khayr for your input, but I personally do not subscribe to any of these views regarding Shaykh ibn Abdul Wahaab (May Allah forgive his mistakes). I believe there is a stark difference between his teachings and what his followers implemented alongside the al-Saud.

It seems then that you subscribe to the second view after all, "That he is misinterpreted and misrepresented by his followers". ( I accidentally wrote misinterpreted twice in my previous post). There are notable Shuyukh who maintain this, but they remain a minority. By the way have you read Shaykh Ebrahim Desai's article? I think both positions have strong arguments, nevertheless it is the harsher view that is more relied upon; and it is remarkable that his own brother Shaykh Sulayman Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was one of his greatest opponents. I personally try to avoid forming any opinion on this, but I am very interested in that of others. Are there any particular reasons why you favour the minority view? Also, do you agree that Shaykh Muhammad was not a Mujtahid ... though I would prefer if his followers promoted a Madhhab instead of what is being promoted today.

Ma`salam

[Salman Al-Farsi]

It seems then that you subscribe to the second view after all, "That he is misinterpreted and misrepresented by his followers". ( I accidentally wrote misinterpreted twice in my previous post). There are notable Shuyukh who maintain this, but they remain a minority. By the way have you read Shaykh Ebrahim Desai's article? I think both positions have strong arguments, nevertheless it is the harsher view that is more relied upon; and it is remarkable that his own brother Shaykh Sulayman Ibn Abd al-Wahhab was one of his greatest opponents. I personally try to avoid forming any opinion on this, but I am very interested in that of others. Are there any particular reasons why you favour the minority view? Also, do you agree that Shaykh Muhammad was not a Mujtahid ... though I would prefer if his followers promoted a Madhhab instead of what is being promoted today.

Ma`salam

I agree to some extent, but please dont get me started on ebrahim Desai.

[AbuMubarak]

ebramhim desai is a poster child of why i dont follow madh'habs

[Salman Al-Farsi]

ebramhim desai is a poster child of why i dont follow madh'habs

Dont let him get to you

[Hamoudeh]

Assalamu Alaikum

Akhi Salman, there is no reason to get started; perhaps I should have been more clear, the article is not written by Shaykh Desai but is an excerpt of Shaykh Syed Habibul Haq Nadvi's book "Islamic Resurgents Movements in the Indo-Pak Subcontinent" and referred to by Shaykh Desai in a Fatwa. Have you read it? I am very interested in learning about the reasons for your view.

Akhi Abu Mubarak, not showing respect for `Ulema even when one does not agree with them is often a result from the errors, desires and misunderstandings that cause one not to follow a Madhhab. In any case, having anyone as a "poster child" for the reason of not taking a certain approach is a reflection of the level of intellect that is often found amongst liberal, uneducated do-it-yourself ghayr muqallideen.

Ma`salam

[AbuMubarak]

akhi

you can put me into any LABEL you want, Allah has given us a criteria for being muslim, He has sent us a messenger for guidance, Allah even said to obey the Úáãíä for a final determination

thus, i have fulfilled the criteria

furthermore, Allah says if you differ, refer matters back to Allah and His messenger, which I also do

so to say that i show a disrespect is incorrect
following a madh'hab to the point of saying that i am a hanafi, shaf'i, hanbali, or maliki is not required, if anything, it brings up others to say i am salafi and other labels, which is against islam

of course i respect the scholars of islam, but i consider myself muslim and follow quran and sunnah, because others want to codify the sunnah into four schools of thought is not my problem, and on the day of judgement, i am free of such things

i am comfortable with my stance, if that makes me ÛíÑ ãÞáÏíä then so be it, Çááå ÃßÈÑ!!!

[Al-Irhaab]

ebramhim desai is a poster child of why i dont follow madh'habs

akhi wot is wrong with mufti ibrahim desai... i hear many good things about him ... if you know something pls share inshallah (not arguing merely inquiring)

[AbuMubarak]

akhi

i havent been to his site in a long time, i was on another forum, and a brother posted a recent fatwa of his and it was another one of those things where you just scratch your head and wonder where does he get this stuff from

yesterday, i was looking thru there for the link, but i could not find it

inshaa Allah, if i run across anything, i will post it here

[Al-Irhaab]

jk bro :up:

[abdusamad]

Salafee is a madhab?


Dont they follow the hanbali madhab?? :scratch:

[Big_H99369]

I am a Muslim,

My Aqeedah is Quran and Sunnah,


and

My Manhaj is Salaf Al Salah Insha'Allah

i use to follow the shia manhaj...but i left it :hidban:

[forskeNed Life]

:salams

Chalk up another vote for the hanafee madhab. ;)

:wswrwb:

Nomie

[Niqaabi]

Salafee is a madhab?


Dont they follow the hanbali madhab?? :scratch:
lol no, they take from all. its not a group or anything no matter how much some will try and prove.

[Saeedujana]

as salaamu alaikum,

i pray following the hanaafi madhab, other than that everything else i take from here and there.

ma'asalaama
saeed

[MMS]

i am a mujtahid, well maybe some day :nervous:

hanafi

[ummbilal]

since i began practising over 4 years ago, i've found the whole madhab thing confusing, my dads a maliki i think, most people i know are hanifi and the sheikh i have been studying under is hanbali,

how does a revert choose which school to follow, i believe to avoid fitnah we should all choose one school to follow but how do we decide?

[Niqaabi]

To avoid fitnah, always choose the strongest opinion.

[ummbilal]

the strongest opinion?
how do i do that?
in islam the majority is not always right and i am a revert not a scholar of hadith or figh,

I thought i was hanifi as everyone i know(practically) is hanifi, but i find certain things in the hanifi thought i disagree with, (i wont go into it hear as we are one ummah Allhumdulilah)

what i need to know is, is it ok for me to say "ok, i'm studying under a hanbali, so i'm hanbali until i know any different??"

No school is right or wrong just different,

i dont think salafi is a madhab but Allahu alam,
who is the salafi immam?

[Niqaabi]

sis i didnt say majority i said strongest.
take the opinion of the imam who has more daleel. evidence from qur'an and sunnah, and make sure the daleel he is giving you is sahih.
no salafi is not a madhhab. where abouts you live sis? maybe you can go into your local masjid, your a revert yes so best to stick to one and follow it to an extent (like dont take the imam's opinion if he is wrong).

[.: Anna :.]

what i need to know is, is it ok for me to say "ok, i'm studying under a hanbali, so i'm hanbali until i know any different??"

sis I think that would be the best thing for u to do.
esp if u hav access to a knowledgable person in hanbali fiqh... go 4 it :up:

[Zam Zam Water]

I am a Muslim!

My Madhab is Islam and I follow Muhammad PBUH and Companions and Aslaaf asSaalih.

"And the first to embrace Islam of the Muhaajiroun (those who migrated from Makkah to Al-Madeenah) and the Ansaar (the citizens of Al-Madeenah who helped and gave aid to the Muhaajiroun) and also those who followed them exactly (in Faith). Allah is well-pleased with them as they are well-pleased with Him. He has prepared for them Gardens under which rivers flow (Paradise), to dwell therein forever. That is the supreme success." [alQuran 9: 100]

I donot follow any particular madhabi school. But respect them because all Imaams followed Muhammad PBUH.

I want an answer: Tell me who Muhammad PBUH was? whether Sunni - Shia - Hanafi - Shafiee - Hanbali - Maaliki or what?? I think he was just a Muslim so I am just a Muslim.

Allah (swt) says “…establish the deen and do not make divisions in it…” (ash Shoora 42:15)

“And hold fast to the rope of Allah (i.e. Quraan) all together and do not divide….” (aali I’mraan 3:103)

I think it's safe to say that sunni's are muslims.

[Abu Hurairah]

I think it's safe to say that sunni's are muslims.

Na'am Sahih- no doubt. :up:

[jannah1978]

i follow maliki madhab :)

Wow I thought being frm the same place as me you'd be shafi. :)

[Kaaju Barfi]

:salams:

u c jannah 1978, i reverted from hinduism in 1996, so i was un sure at first about which madhhab i was following, then i got introduced to traditional islam. My teacher is a maliki, so it made sense for me to be a maliki. :)

:wswrwb:

[Niqaabi]

sis I think that would be the best thing for u to do.
esp if u hav access to a knowledgable person in hanbali fiqh... go 4 it :up:
Yeh thats the best thing to do and i think you already got the hang of it sis Ummbilal.

follow hanbali, and when there is something which is stronger against hanbali, follow that opinion :up: mashaAllah/

[jannah1978]

Wow mashallah thats so cool!

I had no idea. How were your parents? Were they supportive or was it difficult. (typical mallu behaviour)

May Allah bless you for being so strong and give you strength in your deen :) Allah must really love you for guiding you!


:salams:

u c jannah 1978, i reverted from hinduism in 1996, so i was un sure at first about which madhhab i was following, then i got introduced to traditional islam. My teacher is a maliki, so it made sense for me to be a maliki. :)

:wswrwb:

[fresh ladoos]

:salams


Yes im having some problems with parents because of the deen, i cannot practice when i visit them. I am also having other problems with them due to the acute shortage of jobs for doctors in the UK. They blame me for not getting a job, when i apply, i hear nothing from the employers :rolleyes:

Oh yea, im Kaaju Barfi. This is my other account.
:wswrwb:

[Nightfall]

Bump..

[Umm-Layth]

As-Salaamu 3laykum,

I have started pushing towards the madhab of Ahmed ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah) - though before i was pushing more Imam Muhammad Ash-Shafi'i - but I do not just take from them, i take wherever I feel the proof is stronger because it is not them we follow but it is the means we use to try and follow Allaah and His Rasul.

I do not call myself by hanbali or even shafi'i which is the madhab I know pretty well. I do not call myself salafi either even though it is obligatory upon every single muslim to love the best of mankind and to take their understanding. Sufficient it is to call oneself Muslim.

[Niqaabi]

As-Salaamu 3laykum,

I have started pushing towards the madhab of Ahmed ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah) - though before i was pushing more Imam Muhammad Ash-Shafi'i - but I do not just take from them, i take wherever I feel the proof is stronger because it is not them we follow but it is the means we use to try and follow Allaah and His Rasul.

I do not call myself by hanbali or even shafi'i which is the madhab I know pretty well. I do not call myself salafi either even though it is obligatory upon every single muslim to love the best of mankind and to take their understanding. Sufficient it is to call oneself Muslim.
MashaAllah :)

[Ibn Khattab]

Im Pakistani :)

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

As-Salaamu 3laykum,

I have started pushing towards the madhab of Ahmed ibn Hanbal (rahimahullah) - though before i was pushing more Imam Muhammad Ash-Shafi'i - but I do not just take from them, i take wherever I feel the proof is stronger because it is not them we follow but it is the means we use to try and follow Allaah and His Rasul.

I do not call myself by hanbali or even shafi'i which is the madhab I know pretty well. I do not call myself salafi either even though it is obligatory upon every single muslim to love the best of mankind and to take their understanding. Sufficient it is to call oneself Muslim.

Can you give an example of where you felt the proof was stronger and why?

jazakamullahu khairan,
wassalam

[Refugee]

I dont know about my madhab - as i am a new sunni - i like to say alhey Sunnah

[~Soul~]

wow most ppl r hanafee neva knew there were soo mani round :D

[Abu-'Abdillah]

Salamu 'Alaykûm

I'm from à Maliki country and my parents are Malikis. But I prays as à Hanbali because I have learn prayer with hanbali book ( Sheikh al-Albany's book about salah). Besides, various of books available in French are from Saudi Arabia and there is not many book of Maliki Fiqh.
And I have read some books that say it's forbiden for a muslim to change Madhâb.

Allahu a'lam

[Umm-Layth]

Salamu 'Alaykûm

I'm from à Maliki country and my parents are Malikis. But I prays as à Hanbali because I have learn prayer with hanbali book ( Sheikh al-Albany's book about salah). Besides, various of books available in French are from Saudi Arabia and there is not many book of Maliki Fiqh.
And I have read some books that say it's forbiden for a muslim to change Madhâb.

Allahu a'lam


wa 3laykum as-salaamu wa ra7matullaahi wabarakaatuhu,

The ones we are trying to follow are Allaah and His Messenger - the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu3layhi wa sallam. So if you as a layman can distinguish between evidences and find a stronger proof - then yes you must change because it is not these men you are trying to follow.

[ur_yusra]

:salams


Yes im having some problems with parents because of the deen, i cannot practice when i visit them. I am also having other problems with them due to the acute shortage of jobs for doctors in the UK. They blame me for not getting a job, when i apply, i hear nothing from the employers :rolleyes:

Oh yea, im Kaaju Barfi. This is my other account.
:wswrwb:

Im sure you could get a job on ummah..

we can start an ummah.com healthcare centre..

Im sure there must be a way to figure out wages as well.. :)

[Umm-Layth]

Can you give an example of where you felt the proof was stronger and why?

jazakamullahu khairan,
wassalam

wa 3laykum as-salaamu wara7matullaahi wabarakaatuhu,

I do not call myself a hanbali or a shafi'i because I take opinions from wherever I find them - whether ath thawri or whatever as long as I really believe it to be correct on the little `ilm i have to distinguish between proofs.

I will not tell you that one madhab is stronger because each made mistakes and each sometimes did not bring proof. Therefore it is upon us if we are able to find the strongest whereever it is. May Allaah guide us to the strongest, aameen

With you being pakistani - sure you added the yaa at the end for attachment - however, I do not have much problem with people calling themselves for example salafi - but I do have problems with the lack of following the salaf and claiming they follow them and then causing hizbiyyah when people do not need to or want to call themselves by such.

[Abu-'Abdillah]

wa 3laykum as-salaamu wa ra7matullaahi wabarakaatuhu,

The ones we are trying to follow are Allaah and His Messenger - the Prophet Muhammad sallallahu3layhi wa sallam. So if you as a layman can distinguish between evidences and find a stronger proof - then yes you must change because it is not these men you are trying to follow.


Salam

Of course.

But for ignorants, we have to follow a Madhab (if it give dalils). Shaykh as-Suyyuti Rahimaoullah says that it is not permitted to change a Madhab if you don't have the knowledge necessary.

I take opinions from wherever I find them

And if an opinion contradict another?

Wallahu a'lam.

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

Salamu 'Alaykûm

I'm from à Maliki country and my parents are Malikis. But I prays as à Hanbali because I have learn prayer with hanbali book ( Sheikh al-Albany's book about salah). Besides, various of books available in French are from Saudi Arabia and there is not many book of Maliki Fiqh.
And I have read some books that say it's forbiden for a muslim to change Madhâb.

Allahu a'lam

That's silly. Of course it is not haram to change madhab. Though, the ulama say it's best to adopt the madhab of the community you live in and the madhab of the ulama of your area so they can teach you and when you have any question regarding anything you can direct it to them. So, if you're living in pakistan and suddenly decide you want to be hanbali it'd be pretty difficult because nearly everyone is hanafi there(though nowadays there is so much material on the internet:D ).

www.guidinghelper.com - a Maliki scholar(Abu qanit al-Hassani) translated a famous maliki text written by a classical ash'ari maliki, Ibn 'Ashir.

[Umm-Layth]

wa 3laykum as-salaamu wa ra7matullaahi wabarakaatuhu,

wa allaahu `alam

There are 3 types of people,

1) The `alim [within this category are many other types of `ulemah with a higher degree then others]

2) The taalibul `ilm [A student of knowledge is allowed to follow someone else but he is supposed to search since he has the ability. Student of knowledge has to know the evidences of his stances]

3) The layman [The one who has to follow because he does not have the ability to find anything on his own]

However, I do not know if I can go as far as saying it is haram to change a madhab.

[Umm-Layth]

If you want to learn the Maliki Madhab then I recommend,

1. Al Muwatta [it has the famous golden chain from Malik -> Naafi' -> Ibn `Umar -> Rasulullaah (sallAllahu 3layhi wa sallam).

2. Al Mudawanna [the opinions of Imam Malik written by his student Abdur Rahman ibnu al-Qasim]

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

wa 3laykum as-salaamu wara7matullaahi wabarakaatuhu,

I do not call myself a hanbali or a shafi'i because I take opinions from wherever I find them - whether ath thawri or whatever as long as I really believe it to be correct on the little `ilm i have to distinguish between proofs.

I will not tell you that one madhab is stronger because each made mistakes and each sometimes did not bring proof. Therefore it is upon us if we are able to find the strongest whereever it is. May Allaah guide us to the strongest, aameen

With you being pakistani - sure you added the yaa at the end for attachment - however, I do not have much problem with people calling themselves for example salafi - but I do have problems with the lack of following the salaf and claiming they follow them and then causing hizbiyyah when people do not need to or want to call themselves by such.

Please tell me which 'ilm enables you to distinguish between the proofs. It impossible for a layman to distinguish between the proofs to see which is stronger. You would've have to studied ulum al hadith, usul al fiqh, mastered the arabic language etc etc. Do you even know arabic? how many years have you studied hadith and its various sciences for? One mujtahids ijtihad is not superior to the others unlesss there is ijma on that topic in which case there is, in reality, no space for ijtihad. The fiqh and opinions of each madhahib branch from their usul and set of rules by which they determine what is wrong and wright, what is superior and what is not. For example, Imam shafi excepts the mursal hadith for ahkam with conditions, one being that it be the mursal of an elder more prominent tabi'i = Sai'd ibn al-Musayyib while others such as Hanifah and Malik opine that the marasil can be used without any shuroot attatched to them. This will inevitably result in differing opinions regarding ahkam being derived from any said mursal hadith. This is their ijtihad. Both are correct. Neither is superior. On yawm al -Qiyamah Allah will reward the mujtahid with one reward if he erred in his ijtihad, and if he was correct he will earn two rewards. Either way he is rewarded. Yet, not anyone can be a mujtahid. I'm sorry but you cannot differentiate between the differing opinions and conclude which is stronger.

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

With you being pakistani - sure you added the yaa at the end for attachment - however, I do not have much problem with people calling themselves for example salafi - but I do have problems with the lack of following the salaf and claiming they follow them and then causing hizbiyyah when people do not need to or want to call themselves by such.

I dont understand this? adding a yaa to what? I'm not pakistani btw. :)

[Niqaabi]

Salam

Of course.

But for ignorants, we have to follow a Madhab (if it give dalils). Shaykh as-Suyyuti Rahimaoullah says that it is not permitted to change a Madhab if you don't have the knowledge necessary.



And if an opinion contradict another?

Wallahu a'lam.
Iv never come across opinions that contradict another, and i cant remember if i ever have, but what do you do in this case?

Well each maddhab would have to give daleel from Qur'an and Sunnah for what they are supporting. personally i would take the one which has the strongest and most daleel.
However when it comes to hadeeths, the 4 imams do their own ijthihaad so we actually dont know what is right, especially if they come up with their own translations.
But :alhumdull in our time there are so many Shaykhs like Al-Albani the muhadith of our time and they have done the work for us so we know which hadeeths are hasan and which are da'eef.

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,Iv never come across opinions that contradict another, and i cant remember if i ever have, but what do you do in this case?Let me give you an example, when we pray salaah we are commanded to stand feet to feet and shoulder to shoulder, when praying in jamaa'.

Hanaafi Mudhab: Feet are close together but must not touch with the person on either side of you, and hands are folded just under the navel.
Shaafi: Feet must touch with each person of either side of you, and hands are folded on ones chest.
Salaafi/Al-Baani: Feet as well as Heals must touch with the person standing on either side of you, and hands folded on ones chest.

Brother ibn al-Mubarak makes a strong argument, that we as laymen, show us one hadeeth and show us another, and we will not be able to distinguish which of them is stronger, quite simply because we lack the necessary qualification to do so, otherwise we ourselves would be scholars. We are all Mujtahid Ummi's, we follow the scholarly opinions, and must not follow our illiterate self’s.

Ma'aSalaama

[Niqaabi]

ah yes,
well i used to follow the hanafi way of prayer etc as well as my father who used to place his hands below the navel.
Now from the hadeeths that Al-Albani has explained in his Prophet's Prayer Described the placing of the hands under the navel seems to be da'eef, so i have left this opinion.
And on the matter of feet to feet, iv read many sahih hadeeths saying we should join jammat shoulder to should ankle to ankle.
The hadeeth is reported by al-Bukharee [2/176 - al-Fath, Boolaaq edition], Ahmad [3/182 and 263], and al-Mukhallis in al-Fawaa’id [1/10/2], all of them reporting via a number of transmission paths (turuq sing. tareeq) from Humayd at-Taweel who said Anas ibn Maalik narrated to us saying:

"The call for commencing of salaah was made, the Messenger of Allaah Sallallaahu ‘alayhiwasalam turned to us and said..."

(then he mention the above hadeeth). Al-Bukhaaree adds in one narration of this hadeeth:

"(He turned to us and said) before pronouncing the opening takbeer..."

Also adding at the end

"...each of us would adjoin his shoulder with that of his companion (standing next to him) and his foot with that of his companion."

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

As Salaamu Alaikum,Let me give you an example, when we pray salaah we are commanded to stand feet to feet and shoulder to shoulder, when praying in jamaa'.

Hanaafi Mudhab: Feet are close together but must not touch with the person on either side of you, and hands are folded just under the navel.
Shaafi: Feet must touch with each person of either side of you, and hands are folded on ones chest.
Salaafi/Al-Baani: Feet as well as Heals must touch with the person standing on either side of you, and hands folded on ones chest.

Brother ibn al-Mubarak makes a strong argument, that we as laymen, show us one hadeeth and show us another, and we will not be able to distinguish which of them is stronger, quite simply because we lack the necessary qualification to do so, otherwise we ourselves would be scholars. We are all Mujtahid Ummi's, we follow the scholarly opinions, and must not follow our illiterate self’s.

Ma'aSalaama

Brother it should be known that *none* of the four madhabs consider joining the feet in salah[while in jama'ah]as something that *should* be done let alone a "must".

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,Brother it should be known that *none* of the four madhabs consider joining the feet in salah[while in jama'ah]as something that *should* be done let alone a "must".Interesting, I was told otherwise. Jazaak Allahu khair for correcting me.

Sister Niqaabi, your quote does not mention anything about the ankle. I have read the book you mention, and had decided to not leave my Mudhad, which is of the Hanaafi.

Ma'aSalaama

[Nightfall]

The hadeeth has been selected by Aboo Dawood [no.662], Ibn Hibbaan [no.396], Ahmad [4/276] and ad-Doolaabee in al-Kunaa [2/86] from Abil-Qaasim al-Jadalee Husayn ibnil-Haarith who said; I heard an-Nu'maan ibn Basheer say:

"The Messenger of Allaah turned to us and said..."

(then he mentioned the above hadeeth). Then an-Nu'maan ibn Basheer added:

"...So I saw each man joining his shoulder; knee and ankle with that of his companion."

The sanad of this hadeeth is saheeh, al-Bukhaaree quoted it in discontinuous (mu'allaq) form in a decided manner (indicating that he considered it authentic). Ibn Khuzaymah also connected its chain of narration in his Saheeh [1/82,83] and al-Mundhiree [at-Targheeb 1/176] and al-Haafidh [al-Fath 2/176] both confirmed this. Ibn Hibaanselected the hadeeth in his Saheeh [14/396 - Mawaarid] reporting through the tareeq of ibn Khuzaymah

[Niqaabi]

when you join feet is your ankles not touching too?

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

ah yes,
well i used to follow the hanafi way of prayer etc as well as my father who used to place his hands below the navel.
Now from the hadeeths that Al-Albani has explained in his Prophet's Prayer Described the placing of the hands under the navel seems to be da'eef, so i have left this opinion.
And on the matter of feet to feet, iv read many sahih hadeeths saying we should join jammat shoulder to should ankle to ankle.

This hadith doesn't prove the claim of the salafis. The hadith is not to be taken literally.

Hafiz bin hajar al asqalani mentions that the "Chapter on the joining of the shoulders and feet together while forming the rows" in sahih bukhari, is an exageration. He writes in his commentary fath al bari: [Imam Bukhari's] reason for choosing this specific title is to exaggerate(mubalagha) the importance of straightening the rows and filling the gaps in between(fath al-Bari 2:247)

Imam Shawkani, who is so loved by the salafis, doesnt even take its literal interpretation. He writes in his Nayl alawtar: [the statment] means, place the parts of the body [shoulders, etc.] in line with each other, so that the shoulder of each person perfominrg prayer is in level with the hsoulder of the next person. This way everyones shoulders, knees and feet will be in a single straightline.

In Raddul Mihtaar it is reported as follows:

“The meaning of joining ankles to ankles is that everyone in the Jama’ah should stand alongside the other (i.e. in a straight line). So is it said in Fataawa Samarqand).” (I’laaus Sunan)

From all the narrations and views of the Muhadditheen and Fuqaha of the Khairul Quroon era it is abundantly clear that the Hadith which mentions joining foot with foot does not have a literal meaning. It simply means that the feet should be all in line, and this is achieved by the heels of the musallis all being in the same line. This will ensure a straight saff on which the emphasis of all the Ahadith is.

The quotes were taken from Sh Abdur rahman ibn yusuf's Fiqh al-Imam.

Here is a treatise on why not to join the feet: http://books.themajlis.net/node/16

[Bitter Almond]

and dont Maliki's use Ummah forum?
This sister is a maliki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Abu-'Abdillah]

Iv never come across opinions that contradict another, and i cant remember if i ever have, but what do you do in this case?

Well each maddhab would have to give daleel from Qur'an and Sunnah for what they are supporting. personally i would take the one which has the strongest and most daleel.
However when it comes to hadeeths, the 4 imams do their own ijthihaad so we actually dont know what is right, especially if they come up with their own translations.
But :alhumdull in our time there are so many Shaykhs like Al-Albani the muhadith of our time and they have done the work for us so we know which hadeeths are hasan and which are da'eef.


Salamu 'Alaykûm

Barakllahu Fik brother.

Other example :

There is some divergences about condition of Salatul Jumu'aa :

In Maliki Madhâb, salat al jumu'â can be acomplished if there is at least 12 men. In hanafee, hanbali and shafi'i madhahîb, the number is 40!

But as you say, there is many mashayikhs for light up the truth. Al Hamdulillah, Al-Albany was a great muhadith.

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

This sister is a maliki!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you find out who was flying that UFO yet? :D

[Bitter Almond]

hey how'd you know about that!!!!

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

hey how'd you know about that!!!!

Remeber'd your sig from SF. Cant remember your username though!

[Bitter Almond]

I'm the Sparrow on SF

hmm yeah it was probably that psycho cat flying the UFO, damn him, he'll be swimmin with the fishes soon

(off topic sorry)

[Niqaabi]

Salamu 'Alaykûm

Barakllahu Fik brother.

Other example :

There is some divergences about condition of Salatul Jumu'aa :

In Maliki Madhâb, salat al jumu'â can be acomplished if there is at least 12 men. In hanafee, hanbali and shafi'i madhahîb, the number is 40!

But as you say, there is many mashayikhs for light up the truth. Al Hamdulillah, Al-Albany was a great muhadith.
excuse me brother, but i am a sister please look at my name :eek3:

[Buadam]

salam,

shaykh al-albani a great muhaddith? dunno about that. it is well-known he made several fatal mistakes, which caused much fitnah.

i follow the maliki school cause it's the easiest (to learn and practise), most logical and most reasonable madhhab to follow, especially in these times we live in.

those who don't follow a madhhab - excuses like what maddhab did the prophet slm follow are not good enough.

also excuses like - i follow the strongest opinion from all scholars - is also rubbish, because what is strong according to one way of ijtihad is weak according to another way of ijtihad.

i could be wrong, but as far as i know shaykh al-albani himself said before he passed away to learn a madhhab and follow it correctly.

wallahu a'lam
wslm

[Niqaabi]

LOL you are wrong, shaykh al-albani was a great scholar and did not support madhhabs. Even during his death he was still working under salafi dawah.
And i would advise everyone to read his works instead of stupid al-albani unveiled. :rolleyes:

[Universal_Islam]

I was looking for "none" option!!

[Refugee]

I was looking for "none" option!!

Yeah me too :rolleyes:

[Al-ghurabah]

since when did salafee become a madhab. salaf means the pious predecessors the fist 3 generations.
those who follow the salaf are the kalaf.

all the imams were from the salaf.

i used to follow hanafee as we were baught up that way . but in prayer there are stronger opinions. like shafee and hanbali.

[Al-Dhikr]

As Salaamu Alaikum,since when did salafee become a madhab. salaf means the pious predecessors the fist 3 generations. those who follow the salaf are the kalaf.No (todays) Salaafi(sm) is a Minhaj. The Salaafis Saliheen are of the early generations of Muslims, after the Ta'bieen, who where after the Sahaabah (ra). And yes, no doubt the Khalaf follow the Salaf.

Ma'aSalaama

[Bitter Almond]

LOL you are wrong, shaykh al-albani was a great scholar
just out of curiosity did he ever manage to provide an ijaza in the end...? and is it true he said that muslims should leave palestine and give it to the israelis? not trying to cause an argument, just wanna know.

[Niqaabi]

w00t? :eek3:
As far as i know Shaykh Al-Albani called for jihaad there.
this is one of his articles on jihaad :D

Shaykh Al-Albānī on the Obligation of Jihād

Shaykh Al-Albānī – may Allāh have Mercy on him and place him in the Firdaws – said, in his commentary to 'al-'Aqīdah at-Tahāwiyyah' (pg. 82-83):

"…and know that Jihād is of two types:

The first: Fardh 'Ayn (an individual obligation), and this is fighting the enemy who has attacked the lands of the Muslims, such as the Jews who have occupied Palestine: so every single Muslim is in a state of sin until they (the Jews) are expelled from it.

The other: Fardh Kifāyah (a communal obligation), if a group fulfills the obligation, then the responsibility falls from everyone else. And (this type) is a struggle to carry the Islāmic Da'wah to the other lands until they are ruled by Islām. So, whoever submits, then he is left alone, and whoever stands in its way, then he is fought until the Word of Allāh is Most High. So, this type of Jihād is ongoing until the Day of Resurrection more so than the first type.

And unfortunately, some of today's writers have denied this (form of Jihād). Not only that, but they have made this (supposed absence of offensive Jihād) from one of the virtuous and distinguishing characteristics of Islām! And this is not except a sign of their many signs of weakness and laziness in establishing the obligation of Jihād, and the Messenger of Allāh (peace be upon him) spoke the truth when he said: "If you engage in 'Īna (a form of usury), and hold onto the tails of cattle, and become pleased with agriculture, and leave Jihād in the Path of Allāh, then Allāh will put a humiliation over you that He will not remove until you return to your Dīn."

[Bitter Almond]

I was refering to this:
"Sheikh" Muhammed Nasir ad-Din al-Albani, considered by most "Salafis" to be the biggest scholars of their sect (after the death of their Mufti), has issued a Fatwa few years ago saying that ALL Muslims in Palestine, Southern Lebanon, and the Golan Heights should leave their land in mass and go somewhere else. His proof was (and he is still clinging to it) that any Muslim land occupied by non-Muslims becomes a non-Muslim land. Thus, it is prohibited for any Muslims to keep living there.

When some people asked him, in mockery, that no country in the world would admit the whole Palestinian nation, even "Saudi Arabia," he said, "They might try to go to Sudan; it might admit them!!!"

For the record, Al-Albani is a self-declared scholar. Many have challenged him to produce a single ijaza given to him by any of his teachers (if he had any). He failed to do so up to this day. Al-Albani does not even just confine his heresies to the science of Hadith, in which his followers consider him "Muhaddith al-Asr." He issues many fatwas in almost all the Islamic sciences. Albani has a "commentary" on the Al-Aqidah at-Tahawiyya book of doctrine!!

The following is a translation of one of Shiekh Buti’s responses to al-Albani. Sheikh Buti is one of the top scholars in Syria:

"Sheikh" Nasir ad-Din al-Albani shocked the people, before several months, with a bizarre fatwa, at an extreme distance from the dictates of the Islamic Shari’ah, and in the most extreme contradiction with the principles and rules of religion.

He decided publicly, and in front of all witnesses, that the all Muslims in the Occupied Land and the remaining Palestinians in it are obligated to leave wholly from the Land and leave it to the Jews, who transformed it, after their colonization of it, to a Dar-ul-Kufr (as he alleged)!

If it were not for the mass reporting of the news, and without the audio cassettes that mentioned this topic, in the voice of the "Sheikh," I would have found no way to believe it!

This is because the simplest student of Islamic knowledge knows what is established in all sources of Islamic Shari’a, that the Dar-ul-Islam stays, legally, a Dar-ul-Islam until the Day of Resurrection no matter to what extent the kafir, or enemy, went to, in order to spread corruption in it. And it is an obligation on the Muslims to bear the responsibility to cleanse it from the defilement and aggression. And regarding Abu Hanifah who opined the possibility of the return of Dar-ul-Islam into a Dur-ul-Kufr, conditioned for it that the Islamic sha’air […] be removed from it, and be replaced with the rules of Kufr, that no Muslim or thimmi [non-Muslim citizen] to remain in it secure with the original Islamic security, and that it be bordering a Dar-ul-Kufr or Dar-ul-Harb. It is well known that non of these three conditions exists in the Occupied Land, since the sha’air of Islam are still publicly existent in it, the Muslims in it enjoy the original Islamic security, and there is no Dar-ul-Kufr or Dar-ul-Harb on the confines of this Occupied Land, today.

But the Sheikh, who considers himself the "Muhaddith of this Age," broke this legal Ijma’, of which he has no knowledge. Then he announced before the people that Palestine was converted, with the favour of Israel, into a Dar-ul-Kufr and Dar-ul-Harb. Therefore, it is an obligation on all of its Muslim owners and citizens to abandon it!

And what is mysterious is that this suspected "Sheikh" (al-Shaikh al-Mashbuh), stayed silent about issuing this fatwa throughout all these long years. Not even any thing in the series of these bitter events that were inflicted upon this Land and its people reminded him of it. Until the light of the faithful Intifadha rose in the heart of this Occupied Land, and (Hamas) movement was established and a phenomenon of terror was spread out for it to the hearts and souls of the occupiers, [then] the Sheikh remembered this verdict, which he never was satisfied with except at this time. And he realized that the time came for him to publicize it with an explicit fatwa he publishes it in all media outlets. And [he finds] that the time has come, with the launching of this Intifadha and with it crossing many unexpected levels of success, for the poles of this Intifadha to be called, alongside the owners of the Land and the right (haqq), to depart from it, because it should be time for them to relieve Israel from the string of their annoyances and from the losses that had a toll on many of their resources!
I'm trying to look for a definite source for albani's alleged words at the moment. I'm going to remain open minded about this though. Lets see what comes up

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

I was refering to this:

I'm trying to look for a definite source for albani's alleged words at the moment. I'm going to remain open minded about this though. Lets see what comes up

GF Haddad gives "Fatawa" (pg.18) as a source in his footnote on this very fatwa of al bani. Anyone know if Albanis fatawa are online?
http://www.livingislam.org/alb_e.html#fn-9

[Nightfall]

I was refering to this:

I'm trying to look for a definite source for albani's alleged words at the moment. I'm going to remain open minded about this though. Lets see what comes up
thats not his actual fatwa is it? thats a refutation by some dude that is known to be dodgy.

anyways if you find his actual fatwa in english please, post it :)

[Al-Irhaab]

this debate is gonna go on and on and on.... to put it simply..

many of the scholars of the madhaib are mashed and many of the scholars of the salafi dawah are mashed... you want to argue all day on whether ur hands should be above your navel or under it... you go ahead and do so... i think the rest of the muslim world got more important things to argue about like how the hell its gonna get itself out of this mess... :rolleyes:

what i find stupid is that u get like a salafi guy and a hanafi guy and theyl be dissing each other and arguing about whether ur feet should be touching or not or whether you should have ur hands above your navel... yet what they dont look at is damn at least both yall pray ... why not go and speak to dem bros that dont pray and put some effort into guiding them... :rolleyes:

[Niqaabi]

yeh that article is by Dr. Buti and iv heard he twists things :S

[Niqaabi]

this debate is gonna go on and on and on.... to put it simply..

many of the scholars of the madhaib are mashed and many of the scholars of the salafi dawah are mashed... you want to argue all day on whether ur hands should be above your navel or under it... you go ahead and do so... i think the rest of the muslim world got more important things to argue about like how the hell its gonna get itself out of this mess... :rolleyes:

what i find stupid is that u get like a salafi guy and a hanafi guy and theyl be dissing each other and arguing about whether ur feet should be touching or not or whether you should have ur hands above your navel... yet what they dont look at is damn at least both yall pray ... why not go and speak to dem bros that dont pray and put some effort into guiding them... :rolleyes:
calm down, no one here is arguing :rolleyes:
i think your mashed too

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

thats not his actual fatwa is it? thats a refutation by some dude that is known to be dodgy.

anyways if you find his actual fatwa in english please, post it :)

"The following is a translation of one of Shiekh Buti’s responses to al-Albani"

Shaykh bouti is not known to be "dodgy". He is one of the greatest scholars of Syria.

[Al-Irhaab]

calm down, no one here is arguing :rolleyes:
i think your mashed too

well actually... u just accused one of the apparant madhabi scholars of twisting things.. thus accusing a very well respected scholar of being a liar etc... and they just accused a salafi alim of being a traitor and a coward...

but of course ur not arguing are you... :rolleyes:

[Niqaabi]

yeh but where is the quotes from Shaykh Al-Albani himself?
Its a refutation on "he said this, he said that".

[Niqaabi]

but of course ur not arguing are you... :rolleyes:
no im not :p

[Ibn al-Mubarak]

yeh but where is the quotes from Shaykh Al-Albani himself?
Its a refutation on "he said this, he said that".

I mentioned in my previous post that GF Haddad says its in his fatawa pg. 18. Seeing as theres so many salafi brethren here, anyone have albanis fatawa?:)

[MMS]

aherm :embar:

The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said " Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah's mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell." [ Tirmizi]

:outta:

[Bitter Almond]

aherm :embar:

The holy Prophet(Sallal laahu alaihi wasallam) said " Allah will never allow my Ummah to unite upon misguidance and incorrect beliefs. Allah's mercy, blessings and protection are with the largest group of Muslims. And he who deviates from this largest group of Muslims will be thrown into Hell." [ Tirmizi]

:outta:
Mashallah, well said sister. Another excellent quote by Hasan al Basri (RA):

"Two innovations have appeared in Islam: a man of bad judgement who holds that the Garden will be the reward only for those who see eye to eye with him, and a man of luxury and extravagance who worships this world. .. Reject these two for they are doomed to the Fire."

[Buadam]

LOL you are wrong, shaykh al-albani was a great scholar and did not support madhhabs. Even during his death he was still working under salafi dawah.
And i would advise everyone to read his works instead of stupid al-albani unveiled. :rolleyes:

salam, don't laugh too loudly and accept the deen as it is and not as modern scholars want it to be and then realise woops the muslims were right all along:

http://www.sunnahonline.com/library/history/0044.htm

My Meeting with Shaykh al-Albânî
Nabil Abu Gharbieh

In the Name of Allâh, the All-Merciful, the Compassionate. Praise be to Allah, and may His prayers and blessings be upon our Messenger Muhammad.
As-salâmu alaykum wa rahmutullâhi wa barakatu,
I pray Allâh blesses my intentions and accepts from me efforts and I pray that others may benefit from this e-mail.
Getting to the point, a week ago I just came back from a 3-month visit to Jordan. I can say that Allâh has blessed me in many ways with this trip. Once I was at Shaykh Ali at-Timimi's house for dinner and he advised me to travel. Brother Ali told me that scholars agree that travelling to different parts of the world really matures a human being and that he felt it was something I needed to do at my stage in life. I took it as sincere advise (nasîhah) but wasn't really serious about doing it. It turned out that Allâh has blessed me with the opportunity to go to Jordan as well as Saudi and Palestine. I can now honestly say for these three short months I have benefited in my life in many ways. I learned what I wanted in life, how serious of a Muslim I was or wasn't, how SINCERE I was or wasn't, and much much more.
But since this is not about me, this is the 2 cents I wanted to put in, in hopes others may benefit as well.
The part I really wanted to talk about is that I was blessed to meet Shaykh Nasruddîn al-Albânî. I had heard about him plenty of times before I meet him and had a genera