QURAN BURNED! Muslimeen when will you wake up!

[SlaveOfAllah]

''BLACKSBURG, Va, Thu. Jun 16. - A bag stuffed with burned Qurans was left in front of an Islamic center, shocking members when they arrived for prayers.

The torched copies of the Quran were inside a plastic shopping bag, members of the Islamic Center of Blacksburg said. They said the bag had been placed at the center's front door sometime before Saturday prayers.'' AP

Muslims are you extinct!! Or when will you wake up!!

How much will you bear!!

Do they have to come in your home and burn the Quraan for you to open up your eyes??!

Its time to resist with force not with peace!

This is not the first time! Do you ppl are aware that on March 5, 2001 Hindus in India burnt Quran in broad daylight in the capital city of India! Infront of whole media!

Islam is challenged all over! Muslims are humilated all over!

Revenge is Due!!

This cannot be achieved through peaceful demonstrations and just speaking out in the streets; as Ayman azZawahiri said in his latest broadcasted video on Aljazeera.

Now on we need to hold Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !


Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!!

[abdulhakeem]

Burned Qurans left at Virginia Muslim Center (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59369)

[ygalg]

Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !




First, it is odd to embrace Qu’ran with Christian weapon

Second divine intervene should be translated as that solution will decrease reliability of Islam in whole

Third, Every one anxious to witness of the power of Islam by celestial power not man made

you show doubts

[SlaveOfAllah]

First, it is odd to embrace Qu’ran with Christian weapon

Second divine intervene should be translated as that solution will decrease reliability of Islam in whole

Third, Every one anxious to witness of the power of Islam by celestial power not man made you show doubts

May Allaah guide you, Aameen. Akhi.

Tell me did Muhammad (PBUH) did nt used sword and bows-&-arrows in Jihaad fisabeelillah against Mushrikeen? Or he prohibited sahabah not to use Mushrikeen weapons? because He didnt invented them, they were already in use. a weapon in-general is not at all designated to any religion.

Yes its every Mujahid's prayer that Allaah help them through His angels. Allaah says: "Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, and disgrace them, help you (to victory) over them. Heal the breasts of believers." [QURAN : Al-Tauba-14]

If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust. [Quran, 3:160]

“Verily, Allah will never change a condition of a people until they change what is within themselves” (alQuran 13:11)

So understand this fact Allaah doesnt help people those who sit at home and wait for the miracles to happen. But Allaah helps the Mujahiddeen against the enemies, in the defence of Islam.

"Unless you march forth [in Jihaad], He willpunish you with a severe punishment, and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at alL And Allah has power over all things." [alQuran 9:39]

The severe punishment in this life is through the occupation of the enemy, and in the Hereafter by the Hell-Fire !

Moreover the topic was of Burning of Quraan! Dont you this feel humiliation of Islam!! What kinda Muslim are you? Dont you know what is the punishment of Blasphemy against Islam?

Try to learn more from Quraan and Sunnah and Act upon it! Before its too late.

You people make me sick with your nifaaqi excuses.

[ygalg]

May Allaah guide you, Aameen. Akhi.

Tell me did Muhammad (PBUH) did nt used sword and bows-&-arrows in Jihaad fisabeelillah against Mushrikeen? Or he prohibited sahabah not to use Mushrikeen weapons? because He didnt invented them, they were already in use. a weapon in-general is not at all designated to any religion.

Yes its every Mujahid's prayer that Allaah help them through His angels. Allaah says: "Fight them, and Allah will punish them by your hands, and disgrace them, help you (to victory) over them. Heal the breasts of believers." [QURAN : Al-Tauba-14]

If Allah helps you, none can overcome you; and if He forsakes you, who is there after Him that can help you? And in Allah (Alone) let believers put their trust. [Quran, 3:160]

“Verily, Allah will never change a condition of a people until they change what is within themselves” (alQuran 13:11)

So understand this fact Allaah doesnt help people those who sit at home and wait for the miracles to happen. But Allaah helps the Mujahiddeen against the enemies, in the defence of Islam.

"Unless you march forth [in Jihaad], He willpunish you with a severe punishment, and will replace you with another people, and you will not harm Him at alL And Allah has power over all things." [alQuran 9:39]

The severe punishment in this life is through the occupation of the enemy, and in the Hereafter by the Hell-Fire !

Moreover the topic was of Burning of Quraan! Dont you this feel humiliation of Islam!! What kinda Muslim are you? Dont you know what is the punishment of Blasphemy against Islam?

Try to learn more from Quraan and Sunnah and Act upon it! Before its too late.

You people make me sick with your nifaaqi excuses.

The truth lies with the prophets, we have them no more.
Today in our era, we need divine interpretation not a sword to guide us.

[SlaveOfAllah]

The truth lies with the prophets, we have them no more.
Today in our era, we need divine interpretation not a sword to guide us.



Why do you want to be so ignorant? The divine revealed book. i.e. Quraan itself speak what should we do and whats necessary upon these times. Have a review of above posted Aayaat in Quraan.

How can you deny these facts!?

Surely truth was with the Prophets and with Muhammad PBUH too.. So as a Ummati of Muhammad PBUH.. whats our responsibility? Should we sit back at home? Did Muhammad PBUH did this? Nope we should act upon the Sunnah of Muhammad PBUH have a look at Seerah.. how the glory and victory was achieved for Ummah Muslimah with a sword in the hand.,, but today we are viceversa we are abstaining from Jihaad.. thats why we are facing humiliation worldwide.. Remember you will be held accountable on the Judgement Day,, there your lame excuses will not rescue you...

Get back on the track and march forth [in Jihaad] in order to get saved brom the punishmenst in both of the worlds..

[ygalg]

are you a prophet?

[aamilah]

are you a prophet?

by asking this question are u suggesting that one should abstain from speaking the truth unless they themselves have been on the recieving end of revelation??

You dont have to be a prophet in order to spread the message of truth... It is our duty as Muslims to spread the message which was revealed to Muhammad (saw) and the Prophets before him. The reason why we dont and will not have a prophet in the future is because the final revelation has already been revealed to Muhammad (saw).

Allaah swt says in the Qur'aan:
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much”

(Surah al-Ahzaab 33:21)

The Messenger of Allaah swt, Muhammad (saw), has already come. He has left his Sunnah and Qur'aan as a source of guidance for mankind until the Last Day, so after Muhammad (saw) there was never and there will never be a Prophet!

[ygalg]

by asking this question are u suggesting that one should abstain from speaking the truth unless they themselves have been on the recieving end of revelation??

You dont have to be a prophet in order to spread the message of truth... It is our duty as Muslims to spread the message which was revealed to Muhammad (saw) and the Prophets before him. The reason why we dont and will not have a prophet in the future is because the final revelation has already been revealed to Muhammad (saw).

Allaah swt says in the Qur'aan:
“Indeed in the Messenger of Allaah (Muhammad) you have a good example to follow for him who hopes for (the Meeting with) Allaah and the Last Day, and remembers Allaah much”

(Surah al-Ahzaab 33:21)

The Messenger of Allaah swt, Muhammad (saw), has already come. He has left his Sunnah and Qur'aan as a source of guidance for mankind until the Last Day, so after Muhammad (saw) there was never and there will never be a Prophet!

It would be appropriate to gain a true divine sign.

We witness too many times how Muslim groups scream against each other jihad

There for it is only proves not to take a man word just base of his knowledge on the Qu’ran. al Mehdi have to come, he is the only one who can declare jihad

[nevadajacks]

''BLACKSBURG, Va, Thu. Jun 16. - A bag stuffed with burned Qurans was left in front of an Islamic center, shocking members when they arrived for prayers.

The torched copies of the Quran were inside a plastic shopping bag, members of the Islamic Center of Blacksburg said. They said the bag had been placed at the center's front door sometime before Saturday prayers.'' AP

Muslims are you extinct!! Or when will you wake up!!

How much will you bear!!

Do they have to come in your home and burn the Quraan for you to open up your eyes??!

Its time to resist with force not with peace!

This is not the first time! Do you ppl are aware that on March 5, 2001 Hindus in India burnt Quran in broad daylight in the capital city of India! Infront of whole media!

Islam is challenged all over! Muslims are humilated all over!

Revenge is Due!!

This cannot be achieved through peaceful demonstrations and just speaking out in the streets; as Ayman azZawahiri said in his latest broadcasted video on Aljazeera.

Now on we need to hold Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !


Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!!

so what kind of revenge are you planning? and against which people groups? How many kalashnikov do you own? how often do you use it? Can you even pick one up and fire it correctly? The only way to have dignity is to have a rifle in your hand with the other hand holding the quran? Really? or is this post a satire?

[SlaveOfAllah]

"Go forth, light and heavy, and strive with your selves and your wealth in the path of Allah. That is better for you, if only you knew." [Quran, 9:41]

So we do not need to worry whether we are equipped or not lightly or heavily.. Because If Allaah helps you none can overcome you.

Those who believe say: "Why is not a Surah sent down (for us)? But when a decisive Surah is sent down, and fighting (Jihad ­ holy fighting in Allah's Cause) is mentioned (i.e. ordained) therein, you will see those in whose hearts is a disease (of hypocrisy) looking at you with a look of one fainting to death. But it was better for them (hypocrites, to listen to Allah and to obey Him). [alQuran 47:20]

And when a Surah is revealed, enjoining them to believe in Allah and to strive hard and fight along with His Messenger, the wealthy among them (hypocrites) ask your leave to exempt them (from Jihad) and say, "Leave us (behind), we would be with those who sit (at home)." [alQuran 9:86]

Before denying the obligation of Jihaad and its necessity today think again because its clear stated that only Munafiqoon doesnt like this hardship upon them.. surely they will dwell in the hell-fire forever. If you want to be one of them then I cant help you any more, but...

“O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the (Munafiqeen)Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort.” [alQuran 66:9]


>>>And they are the troops of Allah, and that they are fighting in Allah's Cause, and surely Allah will help and support them and will defeat their enemies, as their enemies fight for the cause of Satan.

[nevadajacks]

"“O Prophet! Strive hard against the unbelieving Infidels and the (Munafiqeen)Hypocrites; be severe against them. Their abode is Hell, an evil resort.” [alQuran 66:9]




is that taken out of context ? is that a command of all muslims to be a life long owrk or was it a command for a specific event?

if it is a command, what kind of striving are you doing? How severe are you? Do you give people harsh looks when you see them? I stayed at that evil resort one time when my family vactioned in needles calif

[SlaveOfAllah]

What was commanded to Muhammad PBUH is also commanded to his followers for all the times. Quran was not limited to be followed only till the time of Prophet Muhammad PBUH. but It is to be followed forever till the JudgmentDay.
Each and every aayah in Quran is applicable to our daily life [its a constitution wich Allaah swt prescribed us]. So we cannot leave few aayat and follow some other.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

Astaghfirullah the people who burn the Quraan... Fear Allah

But also when these so called Muslims who regard themselves as 'Martyrs' go to another sects gathering and try to blow up a Mosque and what not, do they not stop and think that there are Quraans in the mosque too which will also be 'damaged'?

Which sicko would try to burn a Holy Book?

I had the bible for my GCSE a few years ago and i don't need it but i still keep it in my drawer and haven't thrown it away or burnt it because it's called Respect. Some people need a lesson in this

:salams

[Ali_Khan]

First, it is odd to embrace Qu’ran with Christian weaponguns are not a christian invention.

[SlaveOfAllah]

guns are not a christian invention.

Assalaamalaik Akhi Ali Khan

May Allaah be pleased with you and multiply your rewards in both of the worlds. Aameen.

Other then your posted mesg. I really appreciate the Hadeeth as a signature.. SubhanAllaah SubhanAllaah! and also Aameen for the dua in the avatar. MashaAllaah brother. May Allaah guide us all Aameen..

[SlaveOfAllah]

Astaghfirullah the people who burn the Quraan... Fear Allah

But also when these so called Muslims who regard themselves as 'Martyrs' go to another sects gathering and try to blow up a Mosque and what not, do they not stop and think that there are Quraans in the mosque too which will also be 'damaged'?

Which sicko would try to burn a Holy Book?


Yes Burning of Quraan will not go unpunished. And Muslims cannot burn any Quran nor can they will not carry martyrdom operations in a Masjid! Because both are the most respectable and have highest sanctity in a Muslim's view.

Those who do bombings in Masjid are enemies of Islaam.. they are trangressors they are not any martyrs at all.. especially they are the handiwork of Mossad agents and enemies of Islam.. who want to bring a bad image on Islamic Jihaad. These acts will not be left unpunished they will be most punished most severely in both of the worlds. ex: latest suicide bombing in a masjid in Afghanistan was the work of enemies of islam. It was to bring bad image to Taliban.. Taliban denied and condemned this act.


"those on whom is the Grace of Allah, the Prophets, the Sincere ones, the Martyrs and the Righteous. The Best of company are they." [alQuran, 4:69].

[ygalg]

guns are not a christian invention.

Guns in general might be not, might be yes:confused: but kalachnikov it is

[JustBinPraised]

Why do you want to be so ignorant? The divine revealed book. i.e. Quraan itself speak what should we do and whats necessary upon these times. Have a review of above posted Aayaat in Quraan.

How can you deny these facts!?

Surely truth was with the Prophets and with Muhammad PBUH too.. So as a Ummati of Muhammad PBUH.. whats our responsibility? Should we sit back at home? Did Muhammad PBUH did this? Nope we should act upon the Sunnah of Muhammad PBUH have a look at Seerah.. how the glory and victory was achieved for Ummah Muslimah with a sword in the hand.,, but today we are viceversa we are abstaining from Jihaad.. thats why we are facing humiliation worldwide.. Remember you will be held accountable on the Judgement Day,, there your lame excuses will not rescue you...

Get back on the track and march forth [in Jihaad] in order to get saved brom the punishmenst in both of the worlds..


Just out of curiosity, what exactly are you doing at this moment in time in the way of Jihaad fisabeelillah? Are you dodging bullets as you write or something? Just curious?

[ygalg]

TRENCIN, Slovakia, May 7 (AFP) — Mikhail Kalashnikov, inventor of the Russian automatic weapon prized by armies, liberation groups, terrorists and criminals across the globe, says he is a man of peace who recalls the Soviet Union nostalgically.

The 81-year-old Russian, who developed the AK47 assault weapon in 1947, told AFP this week: “It’s time to stop making arms to kill people with.”

“It’s time to live in calm and peace,” he added.

The small, dapper veteran recalls ruefully: “I never made a kopeck out of my invention, which was never patented.”

On his 80th birthday, Kalashnikov, told Russian television: “My inventions received no patents and were spread around the entire world like bastards.”

And he still refuses to say a bad word about his ultimate employer at the time he produced his brainchild. One of his many awards is the Stalin Prize.

Despite his peace message, the engineer continues to tour the world’s arms bazaars, such as that at Trencin this weekend, as unofficial ambassador of his country’s arms industry.

The armies of 55 countries are equipped with one or more versions of the AK-47, according to the news agency Itar-Tass. The weapon has been produced in other communist countries, including China.

Russian factories, which have made about 40 million of the guns, now produce a third generation, the AK-74M and two versions, the AK-101 and AK-105.

The gun’s shape, with a trade-mark banana clip magazine, has adorned the banners of leftist liberation movements worldwide.

Reminded he could have been a multi-millionaire several times over if he had been creating in the West, Kalashnikov retorts: “I have no regrets at never having worked for a capitalist country.”

“You don’t change your fatherland like your socks,” he remarked, quoting one of his favourite Russian poets Sergei Yesenin: “'If they asked me to leave Russia for paradise, I would reply: I don’t want to live in paradise, just give me my Russia.’”

The Soviet authorities awarded Kalashnikov the Order of Lenin three times, the Hero of Socialist Labour twice, the Lenin and Stalin prizes, and several other awards.

Since the demise of the Soviet Union, he has also received the nation’s Order of Merit, and the Cross of Saint Andre.

Kalashnikov says he is deeply affected by the end of the Soviet Union, and stolidly defends communism: “Things were not all that bad.”

The Chechnya war in which Russian troops are currently fighting rebels in the breakaway southern Russian republic “breaks my heart, because that land is part of Russia.”

His heroes: the 18th-century tsarist commander Marshal Suvorov and Georgii Zhukov, one of the top Soviet military commanders of World War II.

His favourite authors: Pushkin, Lermontov, Yesenin.

And his favourite drink: vodka: “It’s better for your inners than Coca-Cola.”

A former general, Kalashnikov invented the Avtomat Kalashnikov (AK-47) in 1947. He insists he is not responsible for misuse of the automatic weapon, prized as it is by terrorist groups and criminal gangs across the globe.

“The AK-47 is not a device of aggression ... I devised this machine-gun for the security of my country,” he said in April 1997.

And in the same year the then president Boris Yeltsin sent him a message: “As an eminent Russian arms maker, you have continued the legendary tradition of Russian gunsmiths. Your name has become the symbol of Russia’s strength and security.”

His son Viktor has said his father was bitter about never being paid royalties for the rifle. Viktor has developed his own automatic weapon, the laser-guided Bizon-2 which is expected to equip Russia’s police force. “My father and I could have been millionaires, just like the US inventor of the M-16 assault rifle, Eugene Stoner, who received a dollar for each gun sold,” Viktor Kalashnikov said.


http://agitprop.org.au/stopnato/20000506kalisafpfr.php

[dour]

book is burned, and your answer is too use violance against them? Yea, that will show them all. :rolleyes:

[.: Rashid :.]

:salams:

I agree with terrorist...somewhat. I don't know him enough, to understand EXACTLY what he means by Jihad.

Terrorist, what do you mean by Jihad? Do you agree with Abu Sabr? Do you think killing innocent civillians is "Jihad"? Do you think wars of aggression are permitted?

Jihad would be to expel all foreign forces from our lands, to end the oppression of Muslims and to free the Muslims in Gitmo, Bellmarshe and other such places. NOT to strap a kid with stick of C4 and send him into a train station. :nonono:

-Rashid786-

[a mu-min]

why would a user with the right mind calls himself a terrorist. :salams:

I agree with terrorist...somewhat. I don't know him enough, to understand EXACTLY what he means by Jihad.

Terrorist, what do you mean by Jihad? Do you agree with Abu Sabr? Do you think killing innocent civillians is "Jihad"? Do you think wars of aggression are permitted?

Jihad would be to expel all foreign forces from our lands, to end the oppression of Muslims and to free the Muslims in Gitmo, Bellmarshe and other such places. NOT to strap a kid with stick of C4 and send him into a train station. :nonono:

-Rashid786-

[.: Rashid :.]

why would a user with the right mind calls himself a terrorist.

I thought it was either a (private?) joke, he actually IS A TERRORIST, or is not in his right mind.

-Rashid786-

[nevadajacks]

I thought it was either a (private?) joke, he actually IS A TERRORIST, or is not in his right mind.

-Rashid786-

or maybe just a sad sorta wannabe working at 711 somewhere hoping for delusions of granduer.

[Al-Nasser]

I thought it was either a (private?) joke, he actually IS A TERRORIST, or is not in his right mind.

-Rashid786-

because this brother is un affected by the kuffar/hypocrites propaganda....
they defined the word "terrorist" as a bad word and we just submit to this?....nonsense.....this brother know well that the Mujahdeen in Iraq for example are terrorists who are terrorizing the crap out of the Amerikkan soliders to drive them out.

the question is...why would someone in his right mind let kaffirs determine the meaning of the words we use?

[.: Rashid :.]

:salams:

That's the definition of the term terrorist. The actual word terrorist, in modern day English, refers to someone who uses "terrorist" tactics on civillians to scare the hell out of them. So that the population of a nation is "terrorised".

If I were a Mujahid, I wouldn't call myself a terrorist. I would call myself a Mujahid! That is a greater title than "terrorist".

the question is...why would someone in his right mind let kaffirs determine the meaning of the words we use?

Because we're using their language? :shrug: Fine, feel free to talk in Arabic on Ummah then...on problem, most people, including me, don't understand Arabic. (yet, insha'Allah)

-Rashid786-

[Al-Nasser]

akhi....in arabic it is the same like english (irahb = terror) and (irahbi = terrorist) and the Mufti of Egypt said that we shouldn't use this word Irhabi to desribe those who use violence against innocents because it is misleading.

it's like how they defined the meanings of many other words....fundamintalism which is supposed to mean devotion to the fundamentals of your faith which is a good thing...they twisted it to make the word look bad....anti semitism which is supposed to mean anti arab/jews...made it anti jews only.....in movies here in Egypt they made fun of some of the prophet's daughters names..which made some people refrain from using this names for there daughters.........back to the very beginning and see how a slight change in a name caused Adam to sin...Iblis changed the name of the forbidden tree to the eternity tree.......

lead...don't follow

[a mu-min]

when are mujahids suppose to terrorize the people. abu-bakr used to tell he's fellow muslims not to attack civilians, women, children, old people. nor burn their crops.

[.: Rashid :.]

akhi....in arabic it is the same like english (irahb = terror) and (irahbi = terrorist) and the Mufti of Egypt said that we shouldn't use this word Irhabi to desribe those who use violence against innocents because it is misleading.

it's like how they defined the meanings of many other words....fundamintalism which is supposed to mean devotion to the fundamentals of your faith which is a good thing...they twisted it to make the word look bad....anti semitism which is supposed to mean anti arab/jews...made it anti jews only.....in movies here in Egypt they made fun of some of the prophet's daughters names..which made some people refrain from using this names for there daughters.........back to the very beginning and see how a slight change in a name caused Adam to sin...Iblis changed the name of the forbidden tree to the eternity tree.......

lead...don't follow

OK akhi, now I understand you. I thought you meant that we should not let them define terrorism in English. In Arabic, i agree with you. Arabic should maintain its meaning, regardless of the translation in English. :)

when are mujahids suppose to terrorize the people. abu-bakr used to tell he's fellow muslims not to attack civilians, women, children, old people. nor burn their crops.

They should "form lines" that threaten the enemy. Such, that they are too scared to attack, and are not prepared to attack. They should "terrorise" the enemy so that their morale it too low to attack, and so that they. instead, seek peace, or surrender.

I'm guessing, that in Arabic, terrorism does not mean to kill innocents.

For "terrorist", I would reccommend he change his name to ihrabi (i've forgotten already :doh: ) because that is more accurate.

-Rashid786-

[SlaveOfAllah]

Yes! Terrorist! I am Terrorist!

Because, Islam wants me to be terrorist for enemies-of-Islam..

"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." -[Quran 8:60]

" Whoever says that Islam is free from terrorism or wants to differentiate between Islam and terrorism is committing Al Juhoud and that is Kufr Akbar – and will take them out of the fold of Islam.

The one who says ‘we should fight against terrorism’, he is fighting against Islam. We know very well that USA meant no one else by the term ‘terrorists’ but Islam and Muslims and the one who wants to avoid terrorism is avoiding Islam." -- alMuhajiroun

"Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society." --Zakir Naik

But mind this! killing innocents is not what Islam teaches.. We only punish the aggressors, occupiers and the realterrorists, the enemies-of-islam againsy humanity.

Thanks akhi Nasser. for supporting me.

[Neocon]

Yes! Terrorist! I am Terrorist!

Because, Islam wants me to be terrorist for enemies-of-Islam..

"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." -[Quran 8:60]

" Whoever says that Islam is free from terrorism or wants to differentiate between Islam and terrorism is committing Al Juhoud and that is Kufr Akbar – and will take them out of the fold of Islam.

The one who says ‘we should fight against terrorism’, he is fighting against Islam. We know very well that USA meant no one else by the term ‘terrorists’ but Islam and Muslims and the one who wants to avoid terrorism is avoiding Islam." -- alMuhajiroun

"Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society." --Zakir Naik

But mind this! killing innocents is not what Islam teaches.. We only punish the aggressors, occupiers and the realterrorists, the enemies-of-islam againsy humanity.

Thanks akhi Nasser. for supporting me.

You're no one's nightmare. You're a child, and because of the degree to which you are only capable of posting tired and tedious clichés, slogans, and self deprecation, your silly, death cult inspired posts are the target of a great deal of indifference. Most of us would simply rather spend our time talking to something that comes closer to approaching a conversant, thinking human - like planks of wood, shards of broken glass or empty rolls of scotch tape.

[.: Rashid :.]

like planks of wood, shards of broken glass or empty rolls of scotch tape.

Though I must admit, amusing and creative, that was uncalled for and unpleasant.

So far, I have not seen him produce anything which would indicate that he is below average intelligence. Only his language is "poor", and that could be for several reasons, and means nothing. My language is embarassing...wait, so is my intelligence :/ Bad example.

You get my point.

Don't you?

-Rashid786-

[JustBinPraised]

If I were a Mujahid, I wouldn't call myself a terrorist. I would call myself a Mujahid! That is a greater title than "terrorist".
-Rashid786-

Agreed or if he wants to use an english word, then Freedom Fighter sounds much better.

Anyway, I am still wondering what exactly is he doing at this moment in time in the way of Jihaad fisabeelillah?

It is always good to see when one asserts something such as he has that he set the example and tell us exactly what he is doing in regards to this situation. And then we can begin to discuss whether his method is the most appropriate.

[SlaveOfAllah]

Agreed or if he wants to use an english word, then Freedom Fighter sounds much better.

Anyway, I am still wondering what exactly is he doing at this moment in time in the way of Jihaad fisabeelillah?

It is always good to see when one asserts something such as he has that he set the example and tell us exactly what he is doing in regards to this situation. And then we can begin to discuss whether his method is the most appropriate.

No need to wonder dear.. You have to answer of your deeds and I have to answer bout my deeds..

am not a so silly to say here, what I do? But expect from me to carry my words practically. InshaAllaah

[SlaveOfAllah]

You're no one's nightmare. .

Surely I am NIGHTMARE!! so watch out! watch out! watch out! think again! think over n over! enemies-of-Islam!

[JustBinPraised]

am not a so silly to say here, what I do?


What difference does it make? You have already voiced that you believe violence is the only solution. In fact you are openly inciting violence. So go ahead....inspire me with your deeds of Jihaad fisabeelillah.

[mouse]

Surely I am NIGHTMARE!! so watch out! watch out! watch out! think again! think over n over! enemies-of-Islam!


lol
i have yet to be scared let alone terrified

[nevadajacks]

Surely I am NIGHTMARE!! so watch out! watch out! watch out! think again! think over n over! enemies-of-Islam!

i hardly slept last night, i woke up in a cold sweat wondering, thinking this dread fear overcoming every thought. Was some guy going to give me a stern look today.

[Al-Nasser]

i hardly slept last night, i woke up in a cold sweat wondering, thinking this dread fear overcoming every thought. Was some guy going to give me a stern look today.

thank God....things could have gone far worst if you weren't wearing your diaper.

[JustBinPraised]

i hardly slept last night, i woke up in a cold sweat wondering, thinking this dread fear overcoming every thought. Was some guy going to give me a stern look today.

I think your level of sarcasm is uncalled for, it only attempts to encourage more insulting. If you disagree with what brother “terrorist” has to say then attempt to debate with him properly. Stop acting like a child!

[Raven]

Ok, so here's the question:

Scenario: Some people burned the Quran. Many people (Muslim and non-Muslim) object to that kind of behavior. Others could care less either way but aren't likely to do that kind of stuff themselves.

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

It seems like the original poster is saying a big "YES!"

[.: Rashid :.]

Ok, so here's the question:

Scenario: Some people burned the Quran. Many people (Muslim and non-Muslim) object to that kind of behavior. Others could care less either way but aren't likely to do that kind of stuff themselves.

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

It seems like the original poster is saying a big "YES!"

:salams:

I don't think so. That applies to both, is that appropiate, and that is what the original poster was implying. He was implying that we, as Muslims, need to stand up, and STOP taking this from the Americans. I agree with him (mostly). We need to stand up to America. I know you think that "we" are already doing that...thats one of the reasons a lot of people supported Bin Laden, even though they hadn't really thought it through. Anyway, I don't think terrorism is the way to stand up. I believe that we should establish the Khalifah, form an Islamic state, and expel all foreign forces from our lands. At the moment, in small battles, we might be able to defeat some Americans, but if the Americans came full on to us...well it would be up to Allah if he would help us.

Remember, Muhammad(SAW) didn't establish the Islamic state until he knew that he could defend himself, and his followers. He thought things throguh. In fact, I remember a hadith where he said one of the best forms of intelligence is the capability to plan. Though it seems a simple thing, a lot of people seem to not have that skill. (including me :embar: )

NOTE: I am not saying that we should not defend ourselves, nor that we should put up with it until we can properly defend ourselves. I am just saying that we should improve our situation, so that we CAN defend ourselves.

Oh, one thing which I don;t think I made clear. The Americans can do this, and feel they can do this because the Muslims have no power. If there was an Islamic state, and a Khalifah...would this have happened? America, for now at least, needs oil to work. Assuming war with the Americans had ended, for w/e reason, one word from the Khalifah, and the American govt. would hunt down the criminals and have them killed. Or their nation would collapse. Eitherway :shrug:

-Rashid786-

[sharif]

''BLACKSBURG, Va, Thu. Jun 16. - A bag stuffed with burned Qurans was left in front of an Islamic center, shocking members when they arrived for prayers.

The torched copies of the Quran were inside a plastic shopping bag, members of the Islamic Center of Blacksburg said. They said the bag had been placed at the center's front door sometime before Saturday prayers.'' AP

Muslims are you extinct!! Or when will you wake up!!

How much will you bear!!

Do they have to come in your home and burn the Quraan for you to open up your eyes??!

Its time to resist with force not with peace!

This is not the first time! Do you ppl are aware that on March 5, 2001 Hindus in India burnt Quran in broad daylight in the capital city of India! Infront of whole media!

Islam is challenged all over! Muslims are humilated all over!

Revenge is Due!!

This cannot be achieved through peaceful demonstrations and just speaking out in the streets; as Ayman azZawahiri said in his latest broadcasted video on Aljazeera.

Now on we need to hold Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !


Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!!


HI! I AGREE WIT U TOTALLY
WE R ALL NEGLECTING OUR DUTY TO ISLAM BY STAYIN PUT DOIN NOTHIN?
WATCHIN NEWS SHOWIN MUSLIMS BEING KILLED MUSLIM BEING CALLED TERRORIST AND WE AGREEIN TO DAT
JIHAD IS A MUST TO US ALL ,RIGHT NOW

THIS IS A MOST OPEN A WAR CAN BE DECLARED ON ISLAM
DID U KNOW IN AUSTRALIA UR BANK ACCOUNT GET FREZZED JUST BECUZ UR NAME CONTAINS MOHAMED OR AHMED IN IT??

DID U EVER CONSIDER DA FACT WE MIGHT BE DA ONE WHO BRINGS DA REVOLUTION TO DA WORLD ?WE MIGHT BE DA BEGININ OF SUMTIN BIGGER??
ITS SAID B4 DA HOUR TWO LARGE GROUP PEOPLE WILL FIGHT(MUSLIMS AND NON BELIEVERS) AND B4 DA HOUR MUSLIM WILL HAV VICTORY?

WE SEE DA SIGNS DA HOUR IS CUMIN ? BUT WE NEVER CONSIDER DAT WE MIGHT NOT C DAT DAY OR WE MAY NOT WAKE UP TOMOROW
Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!![/QUOTE]IF WE DIE B4 DOIN WTA WE SHUD HAV DONE
THEN WE SHUD FULFILL OUR DUTY TO ISLAM NOW

WE NEED TO BE UNITED BE WHOLE BE ONE

ISHA ALLAH MAY WE ALL ENTER PARADISE AS MATRYS

[SlaveOfAllah]

. ISHA ALLAH MAY WE ALL ENTER PARADISE AS MATYRS

INSHALLAAH! I APPRECIATE YOU TOO.http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif


"those on whom is the Grace of Allah, the Prophets, the Sincere ones, the Martyrs and the Righteous. The Best of company are they." [Quran, 4:69].http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[SlaveOfAllah]

thank God....things could have gone far worst if you weren't wearing your diaper.

HAA HAA HAA!

[syedtaha]

The best definition of terrorism was given by Lenin. " The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize".

Those who burned the Holy Quran were fools, and equally fools are those people, who without understanding, call for harsh reactions against those culprits.

Jihad by sword is the last resort, when all the other options have died out. In the American context, American Muslims do not need to wage Jihad against their own fellow kuffar civilian brothers and sisters. There are millions of sensible American non-Muslims, who are ready to listen and we as Muslims must not waste that opportunity.

And my dear brother terrorrist, I beg you in the name of Allah, please do not quote Quranic verses pertaining to Jihad out of context. Thanks

[dour]

Considering that the vast majority of people on earth do not follow Islam, you will always have people who treat the book in such a maner.. and even worse.

Going to have to learn to live with it. If they buy a Quran, a person has the right to do anything with it may it be burning, using it as toliet paper, reading it, or puttting it on a shelf to collect dust... or whatever they choose.

[nevadajacks]

INSHALLAAH! I APPRECIATE YOU TOO.http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon12.gif


"those on whom is the Grace of Allah, the Prophets, the Sincere ones, the Martyrs and the Righteous. The Best of company are they." [Quran, 4:69].http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

wow, a real love fest. Hey i appreciate you guys also, but in kind of a brotherly fashion, sorta somewhat.

[Flaming Dove]

The best definition of terrorism was given by Lenin. " The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize".

Those who burned the Holy Quran were fools, and equally fools are those people, who without understanding, call for harsh reactions against those culprits.

Jihad by sword is the last resort, when all the other options have died out. In the American context, American Muslims do not need to wage Jihad against their own fellow kuffar civilian brothers and sisters. There are millions of sensible American non-Muslims, who are ready to listen and we as Muslims must not waste that opportunity.

And my dear brother terrorrist, I beg you in the name of Allah, please do not quote Quranic verses pertaining to Jihad out of context. Thanks


Oh your words have soothed my soul !
Thank you -pray:

[Flaming Dove]

DID U KNOW IN AUSTRALIA UR BANK ACCOUNT GET FREZZED JUST BECUZ UR NAME CONTAINS MOHAMED OR AHMED IN IT??

I would really appreciate if you could provide proof of this above claim.
Otherwise I believe you may simply be spreading gossip, rumor & innuendo.
Please do be specific because I am apt to post every citizens name who resides within Australia whose name begins with MOHAMED OR AHMED and then look for evidence that every single one had their bank accounts frozen at one time or another due only to the reason you describe.

I will patiently await your reply.

[SlaveOfAllah]

Considering that the vast majority of people on earth do not follow Islam, you will always have people who treat the book in such a maner.. and even worse.

Going to have to learn to live with it. If they buy a Quran, a person has the right to do anything with it may it be burning, using it as toliet paper, reading it, or puttting it on a shelf to collect dust... or whatever they choose.

You got to be most sick while posting this. Shows your sick mentality which doesnt respect others beliefs.

Islam doesnt teaches to humiliate others but we respect others beliefs and respect your religious book too.

But Islam teaches how to deal with enemies of islam. And desecration of our Quran will be punished by death penalty and everlasting fight until you bow towards the will of Islam!

[SlaveOfAllah]

wow, a real love fest. Hey i appreciate you guys also, but in kind of a brotherly fashion, sorta somewhat.

Surely you are most welcome as a brother.. nevadajacks http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/icons/icon14.gif

[SlaveOfAllah]

The best definition of terrorism was given by Lenin. " The purpose of terrorism is to terrorize".

Those who burned the Holy Quran were fools, and equally fools are those people, who without understanding, call for harsh reactions against those culprits.

Jihad by sword is the last resort, when all the other options have died out. In the American context, American Muslims do not need to wage Jihad against their own fellow kuffar civilian brothers and sisters. There are millions of sensible American non-Muslims, who are ready to listen and we as Muslims must not waste that opportunity.

And my dear brother terrorrist, I beg you in the name of Allah, please do not quote Quranic verses pertaining to Jihad out of context. Thanks

Dear Dont you know what is the islamic verdict for the blasphemy against Islam??! It is DEATH PENALTY! How can you speak above words without knowledge?

They were not fools or mads ! They humiliated islam because they are enemies of islam

"And say not concerning that which your tongues put forth falsely: "This is halaal (lawful) and this is haraam (forbidden)," so as to invent lies against Allah. Verily, those who invent lies against Allah will never prosper." (alQuran an-Nahl, 16: 116)

"And follow not that of which you have no knowledge…" (alQuran al-Israa', 17: 36)

How can you say Jihaad is out of context!!? Jihaad is fard Ayn today.

also about Amerikans and Israelites:

"Allah only forbids you respecting those who made war upon you on account of (your) religion, and drove you forth from your homes and backed up (others) in your expulsion" (alQuran 60:9)

"when it is said to them; 'make not mischief on the earth', they say; 'we are only peacemakers'. Indeed they are the one who make mischief, but they percieve it not" [Quran, 2:11-12]

[Raven]

For "Terrorist"

Scenario: Some people burned the Quran. Many people (Muslim and non-Muslim) object to that kind of behavior. Others could care less either way but aren't likely to do that kind of stuff themselves.

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

I'm curious as to what you have to say on this.

Thank you

[islamist]

aslam o alaekom aki terrorist,,

i am ur witness in this world for day of judgement ,that what ever u are saying is true and is need of hour..inshaALLAH at day of Judgement which is day of victory of true people like you i shall again take permission from ALLAH to repaet my witnessness........

i am astonished with other muslimz who are trying to prove themselves illuminate.......the name of this fourm is UMMAH ,but here everyone is bent upon supporting non believers..

ok any ways wat bro terrorist has said i expalin it a bit,,becoz the thing that shatters these non believers is Jihad(holly war) ,lolz coz it takes away their precious lives ,,yeh this life is important for these non believers ,,coz they also believe that in the life after here they will go to hell...
and a question to non muslimz ,,DID U PRACTICE ISLAM SO THAT U ARE BENT UPON INSULTING IT? com on be human being u r given all qualities of human beings ,but i am really amazed on the blessing of ALLAH that HE LORD left u without the light ,,that difrentiates btw u and us believers,,,now when ever some non muslim talks with me like this i pay bundle of thanks to ALLAH ,,coz i m not from those who are going to hell,,
terroist said quran in one hand & kalachankov in other hand,,yeh bro u r right ,,but u made a mistake,,kalachankov is a little thing for those who are killing my innocent bros and siters all around the world.....if i get power i shall arrange atomic bombs for them.........and yeh every muslim in my squad is an atomic bomb for those who are trying to check our love for life after here...........i want to open eye of my dead bro and sisters,,,,,,when, HAZRAT IMAM MEHDI(ra) will come infront to establish the islamic govt. he will be having 313 Mujahids in his squad at first and those 313 will be fighters with lion heart courage, and will be fearful of ALLAH dat they will cry b4 Allah at nights........
so my muslim bros how many in u r ready to change the course of world ?
here condition is this that u dont get off the laps of women and at the day of judgement u will be in front line to show Allah that u were the onli true ones who weree following religon as it should be at this need of hour
i pray for ur success my bro and also pray Allah make us strong like apunch so he who has some pride in his mind we can prove him islam is still strong.........

[nevadajacks]

For "Terrorist"

Scenario: Some people burned the Quran. Many people (Muslim and non-Muslim) object to that kind of behavior. Others could care less either way but aren't likely to do that kind of stuff themselves.

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

I'm curious as to what you have to say on this.

Thank you

even though theyu did not have anything to do with this particular event, they still work in the zionists christian new world order and their tax dollars support all these bad causes so they are not innocent by any means and they get what they deserve

[nevadajacks]

aslam o alaekom aki terrorist,,

i am ur witness in this world for day of judgement ,that what ever u are saying is true and is need of hour..inshaALLAH at day of Judgement which is day of victory of true people like you i shall again take permission from ALLAH to repaet my witnessness........

i am astonished with other muslimz who are trying to prove themselves illuminate.......the name of this fourm is UMMAH ,but here everyone is bent upon supporting non believers..

ok any ways wat bro terrorist has said i expalin it a bit,,becoz the thing that shatters these non believers is Jihad(holly war) ,lolz coz it takes away their precious lives ,,yeh this life is important for these non believers ,,coz they also believe that in the life after here they will go to hell...
and a question to non muslimz ,,DID U PRACTICE ISLAM SO THAT U ARE BENT UPON INSULTING IT? com on be human being u r given all qualities of human beings ,but i am really amazed on the blessing of ALLAH that HE LORD left u without the light ,,that difrentiates btw u and us believers,,,now when ever some non muslim talks with me like this i pay bundle of thanks to ALLAH ,,coz i m not from those who are going to hell,,
terroist said quran in one hand & kalachankov in other hand,,yeh bro u r right ,,but u made a mistake,,kalachankov is a little thing for those who are killing my innocent bros and siters all around the world.....if i get power i shall arrange atomic bombs for them.........and yeh every muslim in my squad is an atomic bomb for those who are trying to check our love for life after here...........i want to open eye of my dead bro and sisters,,,,,,when, HAZRAT IMAM MEHDI(ra) will come infront to establish the islamic govt. he will be having 313 Mujahids in his squad at first and those 313 will be fighters with lion heart courage, and will be fearful of ALLAH dat they will cry b4 Allah at nights........
so my muslim bros how many in u r ready to change the course of world ?
here condition is this that u dont get off the laps of women and at the day of judgement u will be in front line to show Allah that u were the onli true ones who weree following religon as it should be at this need of hour
i pray for ur success my bro and also pray Allah make us strong like apunch so he who has some pride in his mind we can prove him islam is still strong.........

everyday i thank God i do not work at 711.

[Al-Nasser]

everyday i thank God i do not work at 711.

and i am sure that the people at "711" too thank God everyday for the same reason.

[Mira]

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

I'm curious as to what you have to say on this.

Thank you

I have to ask you the same question, Raven.

How cool was it to go on a war on terror to get bin Laden, and kill the innocent Afghanis in the process? I thought the alleged hijackers were "Arabs". And when that's not even taken care of yet, more military forces are sent to Iraq to kill innocent Iraqis, just because Saddam Hussein "supposedly" hid some WMDs.

Say what?

[Raven]

I have to ask you the same question, Raven.

How cool was it to go on a war on terror to get bin Laden, and kill the innocent Afghanis in the process? I thought the alleged hijackers were "Arabs". And when that's not even taken care of yet, more military forces are sent to Iraq to kill innocent Iraqis, just because Saddam Hussein "supposedly" hid some WMDs.

Say what?

Uh, exactly when did I hint that I did support that stuff? When did I say I supported "terrorism" against Muslims?

The US should have gone after bin Laden earlier, after the embassy bombings in 1998. The Afghan government knowingly and willingly housed a sponsor and proponent of violence against civilians.

That being said, I didn't agree with some of the tactics themselves. Nor did I agree with the war in Iraq.


I answered your question(s), so I ask you to answer mine.
-Do you support violence against non-Muslim civilians, the kind that bin Laden has called for?
-Do you support events like 9/11, Madrid train bombing, Bali bombing, etc.?

[SlaveOfAllah]

For "Terrorist"

Scenario: Some people burned the Quran. Many people (Muslim and non-Muslim) object to that kind of behavior. Others could care less either way but aren't likely to do that kind of stuff themselves.

Question: Should Muslims now go around and kill non-Muslims and/or destroy their property who had nothing whatsoever to do with this event?

I'm curious as to what you have to say on this.

Thank you

Not at all. not at all! but only those responsible will be punished for sure.

It should be clear that all non-Muslims are not enemies of Islam. neither Islam considers any religion as its enemy in-general but rather enemies are a determined section of disbelievers who have a deep hatred of Islam and a long burning desire to see harm inflicted on true Muslims.

[SlaveOfAllah]

even though theyu did not have anything to do with this particular event, they still work in the zionists christian new world order and their tax dollars support all these bad causes so they are not innocent by any means and they get what they deserve

Raven talked about all nonmuslims.. but all nonmuslims are not at all enemies neither thay did any mistake to be punished.

But I repeat the determined section under the Zionists Protocols i.e. the USA and its allies who support the brutality of their countries in Muslim lands will not be left unpunished.. because yourself, the civilians, chose the representatives in your 'democracy' and are equally liable for the Representative's acts further also support with Tax dollars as nevadjacks mentioned...

[nevadajacks]

Raven talked about all nonmuslims.. but all nonmuslims are not at all enemies neither thay did any mistake to be punished.

But I repeat the determined section under the Zionists Protocols i.e. the USA and its allies who support the brutality of their countries in Muslim lands will not be left unpunished.. because yourself, the civilians, chose the representatives in your 'democracy' and are equally liable for the Representative's acts further also support with Tax dollars as nevadjacks mentioned...

that was intended to be a sarcastic comment

[Mira]

I answered your question(s), so I ask you to answer mine.
-Do you support violence against non-Muslim civilians, the kind that bin Laden has called for?
-Do you support events like 9/11, Madrid train bombing, Bali bombing, etc.?

I will tell you one thing: I support rightful resistance.

[nevadajacks]

I will tell you one thing: I support rightful resistance.

i do also, that is why is support our efforts in afghanistan and that the shias and kurds having an opportunity for self rule in Iraq now , an opportunity given to them by the USA.

[Raven]

I will tell you one thing: I support rightful resistance.

"Rightful" is a subjective term. It shouldn't be, but it often means totally different things to different people.

[Mira]

"Rightful" is a subjective term. It shouldn't be, but it often means totally different things to different people.

Absolutely. That's what I meant.

[JustBinPraised]

Dear Dont you know what is the islamic verdict for the blasphemy against Islam??! It is DEATH PENALTY! How can you speak above words without knowledge?

Thank you very much for your information. Could you further explain how is it a Muslim is able to enforce that law in a kaffir country? Do you even know anything about the application of Islamic law? What authority do you have to speak in the way you are doing so? And please stop going to websites and copy and pasting Quranic verses and putting them completely out of context. It only contributes to exposing you. You have a quick tongue learn to control it.

[This is me]

i do also, that is why is support our efforts in afghanistan and that the shias and kurds having an opportunity for self rule in Iraq now , an opportunity given to them by the USA.
:rofl1: :rofl1: :rofl1:
hack even in america, people don't have self rule. they are ruled by criminals who works for syndicates and big corporations. you wouldn't be around after your love affairs with shias and kurds is over.

remember, one time you were in bed with bin laden, he is your guy and so does the zarqawi or whatever his name is from jordan. i never heard about bin laden until uncle sam pulled him out of hat like a rabbit.

[syedtaha]

Well brother terrorist and supporters. I am not agaisnt Jihad. For example, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong and those who are resisting the occupation are doing the right thing. Same with Chechniya and Palestine.

What I am dead agaisnt is that Jihad has its own specific rules and Muslim brothers, out of their gross misinterpretation of Islam, have brought a bad name to this tenet of Islam.

As per Quranic and Prophetic instructions, here are the RULES OF JIHAD

1- No woman is to be harmed and touched.
2- No child is to be harmed and touched.
3- No elderly is to be harmed and touched.
4- No religious figure is to be harmed and touched.
5- No place of any religion is to be desecreted.
6- No ill or sick or handicapped is to be harmed and touched.
7- No private property is to be harmed and touched.
8- Those among the enemy who offer surrender will not be maltreated or killed.
9- No trees and crops shall be harmed and burned.
10- No water supplies and food storage be poisoned or looted (meant for civilian use).
11- Only those will be harmed who offer resistence.

A-I ask my fellow brother jihadis, did your 911 jihadi brothers observed the Quranic instruction for Jihad?

B-Are those who are blowing up Israeli civilians (children included) serving the call of Rasool Allah (pbuh)?

C-Did those who so proudly call themselves jihadis, did the right thing as per Quran and Sunnah, by taking hostage and murdering children in Beslan?

If anyone who endorses the above action and say that Allah allows that, then brothers, you are very seriously mistaken and have seriously misunderstood your own religion. Wake up my jihadi brothers, before its too late.

[This is me]

Ignorance is the root cause of Extremism (http://www.islam-is-the-only-solution.com/extremism.htm)

[This is me]

Well brother terrorist and supporters. I am not agaisnt Jihad. For example, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong and those who are resisting the occupation are doing the right thing. Same with Chechniya and Palestine.

What I am dead agaisnt is that Jihad has its own specific rules and Muslim brothers, out of their gross misinterpretation of Islam, have brought a bad name to this tenet of Islam.

As per Quranic and Prophetic instructions, here are the RULES OF JIHAD

1- No woman is to be harmed and touched.
2- No child is to be harmed and touched.
3- No elderly is to be harmed and touched.
4- No religious figure is to be harmed and touched.
5- No place of any religion is to be desecreted.
6- No ill or sick or handicapped is to be harmed and touched.
7- No private property is to be harmed and touched.
8- Those among the enemy who offer surrender will not be maltreated or killed.
9- No trees and crops shall be harmed and burned.
10- No water supplies and food storage be poisoned or looted (meant for civilian use).
11- Only those will be harmed who offer resistence.

A-I ask my fellow brother jihadis, did your 911 jihadi brothers observed the Quranic instruction for Jihad?

B-Are those who are blowing up Israeli civilians (children included) serving the call of Rasool Allah (pbuh)?

C-Did those who so proudly call themselves jihadis, did the right thing as per Quran and Sunnah, by taking hostage and murdering children in Beslan?

If anyone who endorses the above action and say that Allah allows that, then brothers, you are very seriously mistaken and have seriously misunderstood your own religion. Wake up my jihadi brothers, before its too late.
i have to step in because of your bugaboos, magnified by imagination are very generalized and open, which espouses the doubt that i am also included in your fallacious assertions and use of term "supporters" that i resent, since i happen to post a message or two on this thread?

how sure are you about what you have preached to be correct and accurate?

what are your qualifications or academic background on the subject matter you have chosen to write?

what is a jihadi or who are jihadis, as i have been unable to find this term/word in quranic vocabulary or in islamic vocabulary/glossary?

[syedtaha]

Please define bugaboos. My statements are not generalized.


My qualification is my awareness. What is yours?

I do not need to define jihadis. I believe you have enough common sense to understand what I am saying.

[This is me]

to: syedtaha


Originally Posted by syedtaha
Well brother terrorist and supporters. I am not agaisnt Jihad. For example, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong and those who are resisting the occupation are doing the right thing. Same with Chechniya and Palestine.

What I am dead agaisnt is that Jihad has its own specific rules and Muslim brothers, out of their gross misinterpretation of Islam, have brought a bad name to this tenet of Islam.

As per Quranic and Prophetic instructions, here are the RULES OF JIHAD

1- No woman is to be harmed and touched.
2- No child is to be harmed and touched.
3- No elderly is to be harmed and touched.
4- No religious figure is to be harmed and touched.
5- No place of any religion is to be desecreted.
6- No ill or sick or handicapped is to be harmed and touched.
7- No private property is to be harmed and touched.
8- Those among the enemy who offer surrender will not be maltreated or killed.
9- No trees and crops shall be harmed and burned.
10- No water supplies and food storage be poisoned or looted (meant for civilian use).
11- Only those will be harmed who offer resistence.

A-I ask my fellow brother jihadis, did your 911 jihadi brothers observed the Quranic instruction for Jihad?

B-Are those who are blowing up Israeli civilians (children included) serving the call of Rasool Allah (pbuh)?

C-Did those who so proudly call themselves jihadis, did the right thing as per Quran and Sunnah, by taking hostage and murdering children in Beslan?

If anyone who endorses the above action and say that Allah allows that, then brothers, you are very seriously mistaken and have seriously misunderstood your own religion. Wake up my jihadi brothers, before its too late.


i have to step in because of your bugaboos, magnified by imagination are very generalized and open, which espouses the doubt that i am also included in your fallacious assertions and use of term "supporters" that i resent, since i happen to post a message or two on this thread?

how sure are you about what you have preached to be correct and accurate?

what are your qualifications or academic background on the subject matter you have chosen to write?

what is a jihadi or who are jihadis, as i have been unable to find this term/word in quranic vocabulary or in islamic vocabulary/glossary?

i have reposted my initial post since you have been evasive, while making my input in red and blue text. i am more interested in the question in blue text than rest of the three.

[Mary Carol]

Anyone else remember a "Nightmare", or a "Blaster" from this forum or another?

There's just something about "Terrorist"...

[Peace]

Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!!

Pray what question might that be?

is it:

Why didst thou not go forth in the land and make great slaughter amongst the people when some ignorant loser did burneth pages of the Qur'an and placeth them outside a mosque?

[syedtaha]

to: syedtaha



i have to step in because of your bugaboos, magnified by imagination are very generalized and open, which espouses the doubt that i am also included in your fallacious assertions and use of term "supporters" that i resent, since i happen to post a message or two on this thread?

how sure are you about what you have preached to be correct and accurate?

what are your qualifications or academic background on the subject matter you have chosen to write?

what is a jihadi or who are jihadis, as i have been unable to find this term/word in quranic vocabulary or in islamic vocabulary/glossary?

i have reposted my initial post since you have been evasive, while making my input in red and blue text. i am more interested in the question in blue text than rest of the three.

100%

[SlaveOfAllah]

100%

0%.. you out of todays context.

Check out the justified answer for 911 and other Mujahiddeen Acts .:.

http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?p=666230#post666230

[Raven]

So in other words, you support violence against civilians.

[syedtaha]

0%.. you out of todays context.

Check out the justified answer for 911 and other Mujahiddeen Acts .:.

http://www.ummah.net/forum/showthread.php?p=666230#post666230

Dear Terrorist,

There is no justification whatsoever in slaughtering inncocent people under any religion, and if you think that Islam allows that, then I feel sorry for you and for those who are your likes.

[Cupcake]

Well brother terrorist and supporters. I am not agaisnt Jihad. For example, invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan was wrong and those who are resisting the occupation are doing the right thing. Same with Chechniya and Palestine.

What I am dead agaisnt is that Jihad has its own specific rules and Muslim brothers, out of their gross misinterpretation of Islam, have brought a bad name to this tenet of Islam.

As per Quranic and Prophetic instructions, here are the RULES OF JIHAD

1- No woman is to be harmed and touched.
2- No child is to be harmed and touched.
3- No elderly is to be harmed and touched.
4- No religious figure is to be harmed and touched.
5- No place of any religion is to be desecreted.
6- No ill or sick or handicapped is to be harmed and touched.
7- No private property is to be harmed and touched.
8- Those among the enemy who offer surrender will not be maltreated or killed.
9- No trees and crops shall be harmed and burned.
10- No water supplies and food storage be poisoned or looted (meant for civilian use).
11- Only those will be harmed who offer resistence.

A-I ask my fellow brother jihadis, did your 911 jihadi brothers observed the Quranic instruction for Jihad?

B-Are those who are blowing up Israeli civilians (children included) serving the call of Rasool Allah (pbuh)?

C-Did those who so proudly call themselves jihadis, did the right thing as per Quran and Sunnah, by taking hostage and murdering children in Beslan?

If anyone who endorses the above action and say that Allah allows that, then brothers, you are very seriously mistaken and have seriously misunderstood your own religion. Wake up my jihadi brothers, before its too late.
A- So you are a Jihadi too, according to your own admission? There is no such thing in Islam as Jihadi.
B- hamm, you have laid it real thick here? But what about blowing up Palestinian children using F-16 and Tanks by the Israelis? How would you explain the Qur'an 16:126 and Qur'an 42:39-42? Not that I am taking any sides, but I felt a bit of hypocrisy here, not to mention ignorance as well. Since you posted general teachings instead of examining the issues as they are seperately and then deliberating on them, why?
C- Where is the proof from Islamic Shariah point of view and where is the evidence according to Islamic rules of evidence showing that any Muslim was behind the incident in Beslan? How would you explain and harmnize your assertions and slander with Qur'an 49:6? Hey you quoted Islam and Islamic teachings first, thus, you can't have the way you like it. Present the evidence according to Islamic rules of evidence to show the guilt whom you are accusing?

You understand the nature and consequences of false accusation according to Islamic Shariah, or should I walk you through that too? The crime you are accusing others carry a death penalty including by crucifixion, therefore, you need more than mere subjective and selective assertions to convict people. Also, I don't like Jihadis, doesn't matter it is you or other kind, you are criticizing. I also don't rule out behind your id "SyedTaha" to be some guy named "John Doe."

Here is one proof what I am talking about? Click on this link (it is not a Muslim or Islamic source):
http://www.rense.com/general24/stard.htm

You get my drift? I question your motives as much as the motives of many others here. I am also not fan of this ID "Terrorist." Because if he is for real, than it is the worst form or way of advocating your cause. This will never enable you to see peoples good side.

[nevadajacks]

AC- Where is the proof from Islamic Shariah point of view and where is the evidence according to Islamic rules of evidence showing that any Muslim was behind the incident in Beslan? How would you explain and harmnize your assertions and slander with Qur'an 49:6? Hey you quoted Islam and Islamic teachings first, thus, you can't have the way you like it. Present the evidence according to Islamic rules of evidence to show the guilt whom you are accusing?

.

i love when someone brings up shariah evidence and not making any accusations, but they would never make the same case when it comes to christians americans, jews etc. How many accusations against these people groups are brought up, but not once has anyone ever brought up this point.

[yuit]

What I found most worrying about this case was the fact that when the muslims brothers came back from Cuba, and they mention this sort of behaviour and what they were doing too the quran, no muslims mention or brought any of this up or protested, but as soon as a newspaper in America publish the story only to retract it a short while afterwards, everyone kicking up a fuss. Why do we hold the word of the non believer must more then we do of the muslims. See this is where the muslims have been letting themselves down in recent time. They only seem to react when the enemy of islam provoke them, but if we were to hold dear to the word of our muslims brothers we wouldn't be seeing these problems. We are being made a fool of IMO.

[This is me]

i love when someone brings up shariah evidence and not making any accusations, but they would never make the same case when it comes to christians americans, jews etc. How many accusations against these people groups are brought up, but not once has anyone ever brought up this point.
i think that exclusive dialogue was between two muslims based on their "Deen", however, since you want us to deal you all according to islamic shariah and are willing to accept it. then present your cases in the respective courts rather practicing state terrorism. why you have never filed any petition in an islamic shriah court pleading your case for justice? instead of that you all have been engaged in murdering islamic scholars and our ullema.

[nevadajacks]

i think that exclusive dialogue was between two muslims based on their "Deen", however, since you want us to deal you all according to islamic shariah and are willing to accept it. then present your cases in the respective courts rather practicing state terrorism. why you have never filed any petition in an islamic shriah court pleading your case for justice? instead of that you all have been engaged in murdering islamic scholars and our ullema.

because i don't believe in shariah, muslims do. If you beleive it, then it should be good in all circumstances not the ones you want to pick and choose.

last time i looked i have not murdered anyone, you make that charge, where is your evidence? Isn't that slander? what does the quran and shariah have to say about that?

[This is me]

because i don't believe in shariah, muslims do. If you beleive it, then it should be good in all circumstances not the ones you want to pick and choose.

last time i looked i have not murdered anyone, you make that charge, where is your evidence? Isn't that slander? what does the quran and shariah have to say about that?
that was exactly my point, but i responded to your rant because you made a fool out of yourself. Muslims worldwide are defedning themselves and not committing any crimes.

you think i do care if you don't believe in shariah? i know that, and frankly my dear, i don't give a damn.

for rest of your blah blah, i must remind you that you are not as smart as you think you are. what happened to your freaking freedom of speech, hypocrite? you make a big damn deal out of that, don't you; not to mention showing a pride in that 24/7? but when muslim exercise this freedom, it become a hemorrhoid in your @@$$$ that is itching and swelling all the time.

[mouse]

Muslims worldwide are defedning themselves and not committing any crimes.



errrr bali....exactly who was that man defending...and it was most certainly a crime

[Mary Carol]

a hemorrhoid in your @@$$$ that is itching and swelling all the time.

You have such a "poetic" bent in your language.

Have you ever tried the power of persuasion?

[Cupcake]

Have you ever tried minding your own business?
I don't think majority of people here like you very much. On the other hand you have no life beside provoking people 24/7 here, in this forum.

[Cupcake]

i love when someone brings up shariah evidence and not making any accusations, but they would never make the same case when it comes to christians americans, jews etc. How many accusations against these people groups are brought up, but not once has anyone ever brought up this point.
:crying: :crying: :crying:

[nevadajacks]

Have you ever tried minding your own business?
I don't think majority of people here like you very much. On the other hand you have no life beside provoking people 24/7 here, in this forum.

did you take some type of poll? i like Mary and have tons of respect for her and her beliefs, so that is one for.

kinda weird, but on a public forum how do you mind your own business? Isn't all about giving opinions on the issues and how other people think about them.

[nevadajacks]

that was exactly my point, but i responded to your rant because you made a fool out of yourself. Muslims worldwide are defedning themselves and not committing any crimes.

you think i do care if you don't believe in shariah? i know that, and frankly my dear, i don't give a damn.

for rest of your blah blah, i must remind you that you are not as smart as you think you are. what happened to your freaking freedom of speech, hypocrite? you make a big damn deal out of that, don't you; not to mention showing a pride in that 24/7? but when muslim exercise this freedom, it become a hemorrhoid in your @@$$$ that is itching and swelling all the time.

nice logical arguement, i was giving my opnion, not ranting, i would think your would be more like a rant than mine. Here is the definition of rant for you:


rant·ed, rant·ing, rants
v.intr. To speak or write in a angry or violent manner; rave.

v.tr. To utter or express with violence or extravagance: a dictator who ranted his vitriol onto a captive audience.

n.

[mouse]

Have you ever tried minding your own business?
I don't think majority of people here like you very much. On the other hand you have no life beside provoking people 24/7 here, in this forum.


lol how do you mind your own business on an open forum
and i like mary c, and i like her posts..the fact that you dont is ...your...problem not hers
as for having a life..lol de lol de lol...

[noora]

because this brother is un affected by the kuffar/hypocrites propaganda....
they defined the word "terrorist" as a bad word and we just submit to this?....nonsense.....this brother know well that the Mujahdeen in Iraq for example are terrorists who are terrorizing the crap out of the Amerikkan soliders to drive them out.

the question is...why would someone in his right mind let kaffirs determine the meaning of the words we use?

"Words mean what I want them to mean", said the Queen.

Well, you have developed your own theology so you may as well have a new language to go with it.

Black Kaffir and two sugars please.

[Mira]

"Words mean what I want them to mean", said the Queen.

Well, you have developed your own theology so you may as well have a new language to go with it.

Black Kaffir and two sugars please.

Anti-Semite, and a RACIST, too! Whoa!! You've crossed all red lines!

[AbuMusaab]

Anti-Semite, and a RACIST, too! Whoa!! You've crossed all red lines!

CODE 5!!! CODE 5!!! RED ALERT!!!! Soldier, hold this position. We got a live one here!


:nono: A little less racism please.:mujahida:

[Mira]

CODE 5!!! CODE 5!!! RED ALERT!!!! Soldier, hold this position. We got a live one here!


:nono: A little less racism please.:mujahida:

YESSIR!! :mujahida:

Pronounced dead, officially!

Evacuating!

[SlaveOfAllah]

YESSIR!! :mujahida:

Pronounced dead, officially!

Evacuating!

;)

:up: All of them has to be dead soon.

And no evacuation continue to fight`em and increase your frontlines until here is is no rebelinon against Allaah. Its a command!

[sharif]

I would really appreciate if you could provide proof of this above claim.
Otherwise I believe you may simply be spreading gossip, rumor & innuendo.
Please do be specific because I am apt to post every citizens name who resides within Australia whose name begins with MOHAMED OR AHMED and then look for evidence that every single one had their bank accounts frozen at one time or another due only to the reason you describe.

I will patiently await your reply.


HEY ITS IS TRUE .I JUST FINISHED MY A'LEVELS AND LOTS OF MY FRIENDS ARE LEAVING FOR HIGHER STUDIES .TO OTHER COUNTRIES .
A GIRL NAMED AMANY AHMED WENT TO AUSTRALIA TO DO SUM BIO MEDICAL DEGREE ON A GOVERNMENT SCHOLAR
AFTER SHE ARRIVED THER WHEN SHE WEN TO DA BANK TO TAKE MONEY ON AN ACCOUNT OPENED BY DA GOV OF COUNTRY(MALDIVES )IN HER NAME SHE FOUND OUT THAT SINCE IT HAD A LOTS OF MONEY DEPOSITED IN IT
DA BANK FREEZED DA ACCOUNT SINCE DA NAME "AHMED" WAS IN HER NAME.THEY ASSUMED IT WAS JUST A ISLAM TERRORIST ACCOUNT

AFTER A LOTS OF DIFFICULTIES OUR FOREINGN MINISTRY AND DA MINISTRY OF EDUCATION DA MESS WAS CLEARED UP



HEY BY DA WAY DIS IS A CONFIDENTIAL STORY SINCE SHE WAS A FREIND I KNOW


AND SORRY U GOT DA WRONG IDEA ITS NOT A AUSTRALIAN CITIZEN
OK C YA

AND I CUDNT GET IN DA FORUM LAST DAY SO CUDNT ASNWER SOONER

[mouse]

"Words mean what I want them to mean", said the Queen.



Black Kaffir and two sugars please.



i lurve it........anyone for a game of croquet we could use the cheshire cat as a ball..and a white kaffir as a mallet


how can it be racist.. if one is redefining words????..then the word racist is out..out..out..
lol talk about parrerel universe

[mouse]

;)

:up: All of them has to be dead soon.

And no evacuation continue to fight`em and increase your frontlines until here is is no rebelinon against Allaah. Its a command!


i see no rebellion against god...only a rebellion against man

[This is me]

Burned Qurans left at Virginia Muslim Center (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59369)

[SlaveOfAllah]

i see no rebellion against god...only a rebellion against man

‘And fight them until there is no fitnah (rebellion against God) and the all submission is to Allaah alone’ (Quran 8:39)

[b.c.]

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050705/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning_2 (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050705/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning_2)


BLACKSBURG, Va. - A Muslim Virginia Tech student says he was the person who left a burned Quran at a local mosque last month, saying it had been damaged in a fire and he hoped it could be given a respectful disposal.

Police initially had said the case was being investigated as an anti-Muslim hate crime.

The student contacted police last week, saying he was going to be traveling abroad and didn't know what to do with the Quran, which had been burned in a 2004 house fire, police Lt. Bruce Bradberry said Tuesday.

The student said he placed the book and other fire-damaged materials in a bag and left the bag at the Islamic Center with a note, which apparently blew away.

Muslims may properly dispose of a damaged Quran by respectfully burning it or shredding it, said Islamic Center director Sedki Riad.

The student's name was not released.

Riad said local Muslims are relieved that anti-Islamic sentiments weren't involved.

"There is nothing better than knowing that Blacksburg is what we expect it to be — a caring, friendly and supporting neighborhood," Riad told the Roanoke Times.

The initial police report indicated there was more than one burned Quran, but Bradberry said it was one Quran with other burned items, including torn pages and book covers from other Arabic writings


I'm not sure the proper procedure on disposal of a damaged Quran, but certainly that wasnt the way to go about it. Maybe he should've waited to give it to some-one instead of a note.

Certainly this event was blow out of perportion, which is sad in itself.

Peace
b.c.

[Songbird]

I'm not sure the proper procedure on disposal of a damaged Quran, but certainly that wasnt the way to go about it. Maybe he should've waited to give it to some-one instead of a note.
Actually if you as a Muslim want to dispose of a Qur'an, we are advised to burn it rather than just toss it into the garbage.

I think it's all about intention, but for we Muslims, whenever we need to dispose of anything that's in Classical Fushah Arabic, and relates to a verse from the Qur'an, that's how we do it.

[Rizi_Wizi]

Actually if you as a Muslim want to dispose of a Qur'an, we are advised to burn it rather than just toss it into the garbage.

I think it's all about intention, but for we Muslims, whenever we need to dispose of anything that's in Classical Fushah Arabic, and relates to a verse from the Qur'an, that's how we do it.

Yes, thats right Song bird. After burning it, we should not dispose of the ashes in the dustbin, but should bury it. That is the acceptable method.

I dont think any right minded muslim would ever want to dispose of the Quran per se, but in the event that the Quran becomes torn, defaced or unreadable we should follow what is right.

[mouse]

Have you ever tried the power of persuasion?

a good cream would be far more effective

[b.c.]

Thank you for clearing that up.

Peace
b.c.

[SlaveOfAllah]

How silly and foolish you are who believe the western media.. Do u ppl want to say that this desecration is not humiliation but mere disposal.. This is just a conspiracy.. but sad is that here much of us are in deep slumber!

..and moreover the humiliation of Islam and Muslims is not limited to this particular incident.

You should be aware of this humiliation is since alQuran was revealed.. How Kafirs and Mushriks made fun... which the Yahood and Nasara and Hindus continue until today! they want to defame Islamic Jihad and Mujahideen by giving it the name of Terrorism and Terrorists.. And that today War is declared upon each Muslim with this direct humiliation of every single Muslim by the desecration of Quran and so Jihaad difaai is Fard Ayn upon each Muslim. And the enemies-of-Allaah will get the reply only in the sound of Bullets! Blood! and Fire! only in the way of Terrorism-fee-sabilillah.


"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." (Quran 8:60)

[abdulmalik]

When a Quran as reached the point of unread ability (ie it is VERY old) it is prescribed to burn it.


If you simply through it away, you are trashign Allahs name, but if you burn it or shread it..Allahs name will not be there any more....i don't know what the big raff is..there is ALOT worse things they could have done.

Infact, ANY realgious material you have that you don't need, you burn.

throwing it in the trash can is blasphemy

[The Way]

"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." (Quran 8:60)


Erm...who are the enemies of Islam at this point in time? The British? The Americans?

[The Way]

BTW - "terrorist" - the defination of a "terrorist" is someone who attacks civilians/common people to achieve a political means. I'm pretty sure Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians. If you are going to fight the enemies of Islam (those who wage war against you) then the tactical application of terrorism is deemed Haram in the eyes of Islam.

[b.c.]

How silly and foolish you are who believe the western media.. Do u ppl want to say that this desecration is not humiliation but mere disposal.. This is just a conspiracy.. but sad is that here much of us are in deep slumber!

..and moreover the humiliation of Islam and Muslims is not limited to this particular incident.

You should be aware of this humiliation is since alQuran was revealed.. How Kafirs and Mushriks made fun... which the Yahood and Nasara and Hindus continue until today! they want to defame Islamic Jihad and Mujahideen by giving it the name of Terrorism and Terrorists.. And that today War is declared upon each Muslim with this direct humiliation of every single Muslim by the desecration of Quran and so Jihaad difaai is Fard Ayn upon each Muslim. And the enemies-of-Allaah will get the reply only in the sound of Bullets! Blood! and Fire! only in the way of Terrorism-fee-sabilillah.


"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." (Quran 8:60)

WERE THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOUR ARTICLE CAME IN THE FIRST PLACE?

Oh so its ok to believe an article if it fits your agenda, and when the article was later disproven at a later date (ironically by the same people who made the original) "silly and foolish you are who believe the western media".

Your a twisted individual, I hope Allah has his way with you.

Peace
b.c.

[abdulmalik]

[/b]Erm...who are the enemies of Islam at this point in time? The British? The Americans?
[/font]

ibn tammiyyah, muhammad whhab, NOI, aplogists/modernists, aminah wadud, the french (i was just kidding abotu the french)

the enemies of Allah are thsoe that blaspheme intentionaly against him, thsoe that try to alter his religion, and to change it to fit their own agenda, the enemies of Allah are those who attribuet to Allah unbefitting attrributes, and thsoe who curse the prophet, or prophets sallallahu alyahi wa salaam, the enemies of Allah are the people who take Quran ayyat out of context, like ibn kathir. these are our enemies, and they are Allahs enemies, these people whoudln't be able to even look at the Quran.

[wanna.be.martyr]

Indeed silly and foolish you ppl are who believe the Kuffar when Allaah (swt) says Kuffaar are for you an open (clear) enemy!

“Oh you who believe, if a faasiq comes to you with any news, verify it lest you harm people unwittingly and afterwards regret what you have done” [Quran 49:6]

BTW B.C. you should have read some more ..and moreover the humiliation of Islam and Muslims is not limited to this particular incident.

You should be aware of this humiliation is since alQuran was revealed.. How Kafirs and Mushriks made fun... which the Yahood and Nasara and Hindus continue until today! they want to defame Islamic Jihad and Mujahideen by giving it the name of Terrorism and Terrorists.. And that today War is declared upon each Muslim with this direct humiliation of every single Muslim by the desecration of Quran and so Jihaad difaai is Fard Ayn upon each Muslim. And the enemies-of-Allaah will get the reply only in the sound of Bullets! Blood! and Fire! only in the way of Terrorism-fee-sabilillah.

"Against them make ready your strength to the the utmost of your power, including the steeds of war, to strike TERROR into (the hearts of) enemies af Allah , and your enemies, and besides whom you may not now but Allah doth know.." (Quran 8:60)

[wanna.be.martyr]

Please Administrator(s) Please ban this idiot abdulmalik's IP address.

He continue to slander the Shuyookh.of.Islam and look what he said!!!!!!

ibn tammiyyah, muhammad whhab, NOI, aplogists/modernists, aminah wadud, the french (i was just kidding abotu the french)

the enemies of Allah are thsoe that blaspheme intentionaly against him, thsoe that try to alter his religion, and to change it to fit their own agenda, the enemies of Allah are those who attribuet to Allah unbefitting attrributes, and thsoe who curse the prophet, or prophets sallallahu alyahi wa salaam, the enemies of Allah are the people who take Quran ayyat out of context, like ibn kathir. these are our enemies, and they are Allahs enemies, these people whoudln't be able to even look at the Quran. Aoudhubillah what an evil person!

abdulmalik you will never learn what Islaam is with this much hatredness against the Haqq and will dwell in Hell forever.

aha! Look what he has on his blog http://chka.blogspot.com/ :


i have learned alot from my sheikh, and a fellow sufi....

bad forums:

i have spent a long time at ummah.net forums...and i have disovered that alot of the people there...are very lost....none of them ..form what i can see...have the slightest ingling of what apostacy is..or the aqqedah of Allah Subhana Wa Talaa...

so i reallu just couldn't take the ignorance any longer...i had to accoutns at ummah.net...1 is Crono....and the 2nd is abdulmalik

the first name got banned becasue i made takfir on a kafir [mariam], the second is still there...i don't knwo if it around anymore..as i am never going to those forums again



He is a soofee. lol.

[Al-Nasser]

Crono :)

our 16 years old hot blooded brother :)

he is great but he need to calm down a bit

[b.c.]

ibn tammiyyah, muhammad whhab, NOI, aplogists/modernists, aminah wadud, the french (i was just kidding abotu the french)

the enemies of Allah are thsoe that blaspheme intentionaly against him, thsoe that try to alter his religion, and to change it to fit their own agenda, the enemies of Allah are those who attribuet to Allah unbefitting attrributes, and thsoe who curse the prophet, or prophets sallallahu alyahi wa salaam, the enemies of Allah are the people who take Quran ayyat out of context, like ibn kathir. these are our enemies, and they are Allahs enemies, these people whoudln't be able to even look at the Quran.

Yet more rationalizing of extreme acts.

So I guess those on the bus in London must have all fitted your generous description above (including the muslims that were killed)? Or were they people just going about there daily buisness routine to provide a living for themselves and others?


@ wanna.be.martyr

How Kafirs and Mushriks made fun... which the Yahood and Nasara and Hindus continue until today!
What am I as a westerner supposed to do about this? Its not our fault you've made a bad impression on others. Maybe reaching out a hand of love and compassion will do alot better then screaming "jihad" every other day over some media hyped incident.

they want to defame Islamic Jihad and Mujahideen by giving it the name of Terrorism and Terrorists
http://edition.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/07/13/iraq.main/index.html
They give themselves that distinction, they can choose they're targets. They do not choose to attack military targets, they could've not went threw with that attack in the link provided. But instead they did, ending 7 muslims child's lives.

And that today War is declared upon each Muslim with this direct humiliation of every single Muslim by the desecration of Quran and so Jihaad difaai is Fard Ayn upon each Muslim.

Funny thing is that well, this whole situation was an accident. Yet you call for Jihad over it, rational thinking no?

Alot of muslim posters here need to see what the outside world sees, your being blinded by your own ways.

Peace
b.c.

[wanna.be.martyr]

@ B.C your reply is not to be taken as an answer... no sense, sorry

btw this whole situation was an accident ????????!

what was an accident! was the burning of Quran by Hindus on March 5, 2001 infront of whole media was an accident or was it the flushing down and which is still continuing???!

Or invasion or Iraq and Afghan was an accident to kill thousands of Muslims..

or was it Raping Fatimah and other Iraqi sisters and abusing our brothers in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo??!

Or what??!! What are the accidents???

The west supporting the brutal authoritarian 'Muslim' regimes in our lands, is it an accident?

Or the supporting of the Israeli aggression against Palestinians and Indian Oppression against Kashmiris.. or what??!

What are the accidents,,???!!

To West: If you donot stop interfere in our lands and leave BilaadalHaramain and Kabul and Baghdad and Jerusalem.. Then just hope us to interfere in your lands and in NewYork, Washington and London and Rome!!!

btw arent you Muslim b.c ? if you are.. then do you want to follow Islam according to West?

[b.c.]

What are the accidents,,???!!

I was talking about the original article that was posted.
http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2005/jun/16/061608472.html

It was made by the Associated Press, and printed in news papers. Later the Associated Press updated this story.
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20050705/ap_on_re_us/quran_burning_1

Student Says Quran Burning Was an Accident


Make any sense now?

Peace
b.c.

You can read the story above, we'll leave your other questions for different threads.

[Songbird]

BTW - "terrorist" - the defination of a "terrorist" is someone who attacks civilians/common people to achieve a political means. I'm pretty sure Islam forbids the killing of innocent civilians. If you are going to fight the enemies of Islam (those who wage war against you) then the tactical application of terrorism is deemed Haram in the eyes of Islam.
Funny coming from someone who claims to be a Muslim.

"You're pretty sure"...

Time you did some homework little boy - start with something we Muslims refer to as the Qur'an.

Sure you can grab hold of it in your local book store.

[Tattle Tale]

I hope this guy who made this thread is serious, because I have reported him and this thread to the fbi. Seriously.

[.: Rashid :.]

I hope this guy who made this thread is serious, because I have reported him and this thread to the fbi. Seriously.

:freedom: :mujahida: :boom:

-Rashid :D

P.S. Did you really? If so, how?

P.S.S Do you think anyone cares?

P.S.S.S :rolleyes:

[Tattle Tale]

Yes, I did. I don't care if nobody else cares, but the fbi will care about some nut talking about jihad and how he is a terrorist and wants to do some damage.

https://tips.fbi.gov/ (https://tips.fbi.gov/)

[.: Rashid :.]

Yes, I did. I don't care if nobody else cares, but the fbi will care about some nut talking about jihad and how he is a terrorist and wants to do some damage.

https://tips.fbi.gov/ (https://tips.fbi.gov/)

Ah right, cool. Never knew you could give them tips like that online. Man, they must get a LOT of pranks there...

Why should the FBI care? They probably will...but we don't care. Plus, this is UK based, so you woulda been better off informing MI5 or summin ;)

-Rashid

[Free-Bird]

''BLACKSBURG, Va, Thu. Jun 16. - A bag stuffed with burned Qurans was left in front of an Islamic center, shocking members when they arrived for prayers.

The torched copies of the Quran were inside a plastic shopping bag, members of the Islamic Center of Blacksburg said. They said the bag had been placed at the center's front door sometime before Saturday prayers.'' AP

Muslims are you extinct!! Or when will you wake up!!

How much will you bear!!Relax it is only paper.

Do they have to come in your home and burn the Quraan for you to open up your eyes??!

Its time to resist with force not with peace!Ah, you should not this words too early.

This is not the first time! Do you ppl are aware that on March 5, 2001 Hindus in India burnt Quran in broad daylight in the capital city of India! Infront of whole media!

Islam is challenged all over! Muslims are humilated all over!

Revenge is Due!!It's over, disguising does not work this way you know, but every day is learning. Give it another try and see how it go.

[Tony]

Muslims are you extinct!! Or when will you wake up!!

How much will you bear!!

Do they have to come in your home and burn the Quraan for you to open up your eyes??!

Its time to resist with force not with peace!

This is not the first time! Do you ppl are aware that on March 5, 2001 Hindus in India burnt Quran in broad daylight in the capital city of India! Infront of whole media!

Islam is challenged all over! Muslims are humilated all over!

"Revenge is Due!!

This cannot be achieved through peaceful demonstrations and just speaking out in the streets; as Ayman azZawahiri said in his latest broadcasted video on Aljazeera.

Now on we need to hold Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !


Lest, how can we answer the Question on the Judgement Day!!!"



So what are you going to do Slave of Allah ???
Or are you just going to get the young and stupid to fight your fight.
I think you are a coward, prove me wrong and tell me what you plan to do.

I await your response

[.: Rashid :.]

I think you are a coward, prove me wrong and tell me what you plan to do.

I await your response

Its better to be a coward than a fool :p

If he was planning to do something, I seriously doubt he would tell you ;)

-Rashid

[mouse]

Now on we need to hold Quran in one hand and Kalashinkov in the other, only then our dignity will be restored !



lol......the mind boggles

[Tony]

Mouse, I didnt originally post that nonsense, Slave of Allah deserves that credit.

Rashid, I know Slave of Allah wont tell me what he plans, but I think we all know that he will do nothing. He will however continue to inflame the anger of young and impressionable muslims and try to make them do something stupid.

[mouse]

Mouse, I didnt originally post that nonsense, Slave of Allah deserves that credit.



lawks luv you mister.......i realised that, i wouldnt insult you by presuming...lol

[.: Rashid :.]

Rashid, I know Slave of Allah wont tell me what he plans, but I think we all know that he will do nothing. He will however continue to inflame the anger of young and impressionable muslims and try to make them do something stupid.

Well, people desecrating the Qur'an young people angry too. Soldiers who do this stuff on purpose are as much...no, MORE to blame for terrorist attacks than any maddrassah. (I don't believe madrasahs are responsible for terrorism)

-Rashid

[Tony]

Well, people desecrating the Qur'an young people angry too. Soldiers who do this stuff on purpose are as much...no, MORE to blame for terrorist attacks than any maddrassah. (I don't believe madrasahs are responsible for terrorism)

-Rashid

I agree,(though i had to google maddrassah) burning the Quran is done only to provoke.

[.: Rashid :.]

I agree,(though i had to google maddrassah) burning the Quran is done only to provoke.

Glad that we agree on something :D

-Rashid

[turkuk]

Slave of Allah or terrorist or whatever exaggerative name you like to call yourself, your views are pointless in this country, that is if you are even in this country. There are approximately 1.8 million Muslims in Britain, apposed to approximately 58 million non-Muslims. What do you plan to do, build a nuclear bomb?

The only person you scare is probably your mother, praying you don't say something that gets you killed one day. Your ramblings of force and Kalashnikov’s serves only to show your lack of intelligence and knowledge of you own religion. Perhaps you should go away and read the qu'ran again, or at least the parts that you weren't taught by what you've read in the paper from some extremist 'supposed' scholar!

I'm surprised that you are so offended by the burning of some paper, surely even you can determine that it’s what is written that matters not the ink and paper that it was written on. Yes it is disrespectful, but also probably done by some 14 year old idiot thinking it was big in front of his mates. And do you think the bible has never been burnt before?

If you'd really like to show how terrifying you are, why don't you go over to Iraq or the West Bank and fight against the people who are actually in your homelands.
The comments on this thread about the innocent people living in this country not being innocent because they pay tax to fund the war and elect the government are pathetic! Co