Is there any 3rd factions of Islam besides Sunni/Shia

[Mustafa83]

well i have been reading the Qu'ran and im still thinking if i am going to become Muslim or not i allready consider myself 1 half christian 1 half muslim but i know that wont work so im still trying to decide.


anywho I dont know if I asked this before allready sorry if i did but i dont remember is there any other Islamic religions besides Sunni/Shia I heard there was druze but i know nothing about that part of islam is there any other teachings of islam.

Right now im just trying to figure out what religion in Islam best fits my lifestyle I still dont know alot about Shia or Sunni but from what I have read and seen in ummah im not to fond of Sunni to much because of its radical ideals such as wahabism and jihad.Its not that I hate sunni its just that i dont belive in violence or acts of violence in the name of God i feel it is sinfull to kil people in the name of God. The only thing I like about it is its conservative aspect on morals just like christian belifs but i dont like how it is in its teachings of life. A guy in shiachat named "Ali" told me not to come here and go to shiachat insted but i never did and i stayed in ummah insted. but i dont know which side to belive.

As for Shia religion they seem to be less radical to me and more peacefull then the sunnis based on the events thats been goingn on in the world and what i heard in shiachat they dont belive in the whole wahabism jihad stuff. The thing that is keeping me from going Shia is this rituel where they bruttally stab themselves with a knife i saw pictures of that event and i thought that was crazy and insaine not to disrespect there religion but i just dont see myself doing any of that stuff. Now im wondering could someone be a Shia and not particpate in this event and if a person didnt particapte in it would they get in trouble or would it be bad.?

also in shia i heard something called 12 pller what does this mean i dont understand? one of my muslim friends on ummah showed me the Qur'an i read some of it but i didnt understand much of it really confuses me. I am not sure if i would convert or not I just wish i could be 1 half muslim 1 half christian in case 1 side is the wrong path i still will be saved but i dont think it will work that way.

Not knowing how long i will be on this earth i want to decide my final path i like being christian but being handicap and hearing mrs penfold and other christians saying handicap people go to hell that really scares me i tend not to belive it but what if it is true then islam might be my only chance if they dont belive in that. But then i see people in ummah say kaafirs go to hell well what if this is true.

anyone here can call me names and say im bad person i dont care im not denying my lord i belive in God and Jesus and love them still but im not sure which path to go i just dont want to go to hell like everyone says on here i want to be saved because i dont know how my health will be in few years.

and the thing that is on my mind the most how to tell my parents or could i just be a secret muslim and not tell anyone. Anyways i dont know if i ever would convert but im starting to like Islam more as i go on Ummah but i just wish I belive i knew which path was the right one it would be alot easier I ask my mom which christian path is the right one she says she does not know but i never asked her about being muslim or any other religion i only talked about changing christian religion to a different christian one like eposclian.

[outlandish]

Methew one accepts islam thinking it is the truth,not just those parts that suit our lifestyle,else its not true faith.

Islam is just what we learn from the Quran and the sunnah of the prophet. Islam is not sunni/shia or whatever sects there are within muslims. So instead of focusing on which sect of islam u want to be a part of ,thinking that it suits ur lifestyle best,why not focus just on staying away from any sect,and following what iIslam truly is.
As for sunnis preaching violence,I dont know where u got that from.

[Arsalan]

Mathew religion is simple, Sunni muslims make up 86% of the worlds 1 and half billion muslims. the Shia school of thought approximately 12%

We may differ in opinion on poltical and nationalistic issues, but we hold simillar beliefs to some extent. Same goes with you and i, i think Mathew.
Shias and sunnies had a poltical schism early on in the days of Islam,since then they have developed innovattions which have little or NO basis in religions, particulary the idea of self mutilations and hanging pictures everywhere of pious people.This is all totally wrong. The Shia adhore the Prophet saw grandsons who were martyred in the incident of Kerbala.

I hate to use a repetetive idea... but judge the scripture , study the scripture and make your own choice, turnaway from the evil and corruption in society, including that committed at the hands of muslims. it will only get worse near the end of days..

If you accept islam all your previous sins are forgiven, and the reward for your deeds doubled or more . Think about it very carefullly, religion is not a joke or something to be played around with man.

If you wont to study GERNALLY ACCEPTED ISLAMIC BELEIFS THEN CHECK THIS OUT
http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/misc/tahawi.htm


If you wont to look at the basic islamic beliefs.
They are maentioned briefly in chatper 2 and 3 of this book
http://www.islam-guide.com/


About the Prophets:
http://www.angelfire.com/on/ummiby1/


About Jesus Christ The Son of Mary and His Blessed Mother :
http://www.sunnipath.com/resources/Questions/qa00000885.aspx

[Sophiya]

i agree

but i can't believe you would base your faith on how its people act?!?!?

You say no to sunni becuase of violence and yes to shia becuase they are not violent?!?!

Could u honestly apply this logic to anything in your life- it doesn't work- it isn't about people, but you. Allah says in the Qur'an time and time again, that we won't be burdened with another's burdern and that we will only be held accountable for our own actions- so then how can you say otherwise?

Also find out what it means to be sunni and shia. Someone here ages ago likened shias to catholics and sunnis to protestants.

Follow the qur'an and sunnah and you can't go wrong

[Sophiya]

your original thread
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=51200

[ScoobyGurl]

There are also Sufis who are suppose to follow a "mystical" form of Islam. Anyway, I'm Sunni because Islam is about following the Qu'ran and the Sunnah of the Prophet :saw: . I would encourage you to read the Qu'ran and to buy a book on the basics of Islam such as Islam in Focus. Stop worrying about what "sect" you want to be part and just worry about how to worship Allah (swt). BTW, all the Sunnis I know are very peaceful people. I don't know where you got the idea that we're violent. Don't you love stereotypes? :rolleyes:

[Sophiya]

everyone was a muslim/sunni, then after the schism, the shias came


Surah Al-An'am; Verse 159:-

"Lo! those who sunder their religion and become schismatics, no concern at all hast thou with them. Their case will go to Allah, who will then tell them what they used to do."

[Saifullah]

I think you need to consider islam directly and see if its the truth, i have no doubt that it is the truth, alhamdulilah, i suggest you begin by reading a copy of the qur'an, one which has been proven most authentic in terms of its translation, read through it by yourself, and if you dont understand certain parts of it, then consult someone from mainstream islamic views, and they will better explain and clarify, insha'Allah.

The whole idea of sunni being "radical" is something which you hear on american news media, and really it has no bases. Ofcourse there will always be muslims who claim to be muslims, but wont be on the truth entirely, judge islam by itself, since islam is something which is a perfect order sent for mankind and humanity which in itself is imperfect.

There are two concepts, sects and groups, there are not many sects in islam, as to be a sect you need to have major creedal differences, however there are many groups with their own stances and interpretations on certain issues.

As for sufism, its not a sect, since you get shia and sunni sufis, but rather its another dimension to islam, due to its complex nature is very misunderstood, i suggest you, as someone looking into islam, should at first consider the basics, and leave the complexity till later, when your understanding is more profound and well grounded.

and as for some reverts to reverted to islam, i remember them often saying, i became a perfect christian when i become a good muslim.

[Crono]

There are also Sufis who are suppose to follow a "mystical" form of Islam. Anyway, I'm Sunni because Islam is about following the Qu'ran and the Sunnah of the Prophet :saw: . I would encourage you to read the Qu'ran and to buy a book on the basics of Islam such as Islam in Focus. Stop worrying about what "sect" you want to be part and just worry about how to worship Allah (swt). BTW, all the Sunnis I know are very peaceful people. I don't know where you got the idea that we're violent. Don't you love stereotypes? :rolleyes:

no, sufis do not follow soem form ofmytical islam

the prophet said when you don't have knowlage,don't speak

sufis follow Quran and sunnah jsut like we do..but they have a better title becasue they practice tassawuf, which is a major branch of islam, that deals with purification of ones heart


besides sunni and shia..there is a sect called Salafi/whahabi

and they believe Allah is like a human...of course, this makes them kafir....but of course...alot of the apologists are a bit stingy, and don'tlike to use the word kafir...even when they have 100% illrefutable proof

[ScoobyGurl]

no, sufis do not follow soem form ofmytical islam

the prophet said when you don't have knowlage,don't speak

sufis follow Quran and sunnah jsut like we do..but they have a better title becasue they practice tassawuf, which is a major branch of islam, that deals with purification of ones heart


besides sunni and shia..there is a sect called Salafi/whahabi

and they believe Allah is like a human...of course, this makes them kafir....but of course...alot of the apologists are a bit stingy, and don'tlike to use the word kafir...even when they have 100% illrefutable proof

I didn't say that they didn't follow the Qu'ran and the Sunnah. Notice I put "mystical" in qutotation indicating that I don't have much knowledge about them. What you need to do is stop being so quick and hasty to chastise others. You have a bad habit of doing that. Also, since we want to talk about what we don't have knowledge the Salafi/Wahaabi are not a sect but in fact a faction of Sunni Islam. So you know what? I see already that we do not click, even though we are both Muslim. So I think that we should just stop communication with each other. Peace.

[dhakiyya]

Matthew, don't worry about sects. You will never find a perfect Muslim. Muhammad :saw: was closest but he died 1400 years ago. Judge Islam by the Qur'an and sunnah. There should be no division among Muslims, yet being human and making errors we end up with divisions because we disagree on stuff. Keep reading the Qur'an, keep learning about Muhammad's :saw: life and deeds. Remember that Islam is in the Qur'an and Sunnah, and that Allah is most gracious and most merciful, and that we can strive to live our lives in accordance with the Qur'an and Sunnah for Allah's sake.

If you recognise the truth in the Qur'an - if you believe that it is the word of Allah, - and that Allah is the One God that is greater than anything humans can concieve of, and that Muhammad :saw: is his messenger ....... make your shahada, (say you believe there is no God but Allah and Muhammad is the messenger of Allah) and become Muslim, and start learning how to practice. Take things in little steps. You don't need to tell your parents or anyone else straight away either, though it really helps if you can find other Muslims in your area that can support you. (how easy that is depends on your area, but you have people here that can support you)

[Crono]

I didn't say that they didn't follow the Qu'ran and the Sunnah. Notice I put "mystical" in qutotation indicating that I don't have much knowledge about them. What you need to do is stop being so quick and hasty to chastise others. You have a bad habit of doing that. Also, since we want to talk about what we don't have knowledge the Salafi/Wahaabi are not a sect but in fact a faction of Sunni Islam. So you know what? I see already that we do not click, even though we are both Muslim. So I think that we should just stop communication with each other. Peace.

no..the core belkeif in Allah for salafis is VERY far away from sunni islam...

the only cforrect belief that have about Allah..ishim being one...the rest is completely wrong - as well as completely removes them out of islam

so really, you shoudl say whabism is another religion that uses islamic texts

[Sophiya]

oh the irony, in an attempt to dispell sects, one ends up arguing about them.....

Surah Al-An'am; Verse 159:-

"Lo! those who sunder their religion and become schismatics, no concern at all hast thou with them. Their case will go to Allah, who will then tell them what they used to do."<!-- / message --><!-- sig -->

[Mustafa83]

I apoligize if i offended anyone im just trying to get answers from all parts of Islam i read on shiachat to try to understand them and i always read ummah forums and post here. Shiachat peopel said ummah people was bad but i didnt belive them and I continue to stay here on ummah. As for what I said about Sunnis and Shias im most likely wrong in most cases i just try to understand based what I read on these forums and see on internet and TV. I have been trying to read this Qu'ran

http://www.openburhan.com/ob_main_frame.html

But im having trouble trying to understand what some of these things mean its very confusing to me.

As for when I said about my lifestyle i mean I am VERY limited on what I can do due to my current health problems I dont go outside much anymore have not been outside for like a year so religion,computer,food is basicly the only things keeping me from going insaine i have a doctor appointment in july so i will probebly go outside during that time.
I want to be 1 half muslim 1 half christian :up:
so can i love&worship Allah and Jesus at the same time? :)

im probebly going to convert to Islam but not for awhile for a few months. I dont know how my family would feel i dont want them to get mad at me and i dont want my friends to get mad at me. I want to date this one woman who is a Christian that i met in my game but i am afraid she will hate me if i became Muslim. Also my pastor friend who is luthern said if i converted it would be a major sin and he said i would be in trouble. I think Allah would be mad at me if i didnt particpate in his events cause i cant do much but pray in my room due to my health. If i was Muslim i would really miss getting X-mas presents easter and halloween and valentine goodies. I dont know of any muslim holidays i only know of one were they dont eat food and i could not stand not eating for 2 days. :rubeyes:

My main concern is I am to afraid and scared to convert to Islam and not really knowing which path is the right one. I just wish I could invent my own religion or the whole world would be 1 religion then there would be peace and everyone would be saved then it would be so much easy to decide. :rubeyes:

[Sophiya]

oh no!

you haven't insulted anyone!

Although i wonder how much non-biased information you would have got from shia chat as opposed to ummah in which anyone can come on?

Allah doesn't burden a soul beyond what it can handle, Allah will only hold you accountable for what you can achieve if you try, prayer is an obligation for us all, if your in hospital or something and u can only move certain limbs i.e. an arm or move your eyes and head only then you should do the prayer actions with the functions you have, nobody is going to expect them to do the full prayer!

Are you seriously going to miss presents over final relief in your heart- if it helps there are 2 eids in the muslim calander (like christmas times two!)

THat woman you want to date, first of all as a muslim you can't date, and if she hated you for it, was she really worth it?

even if you can't go outside you got the internet which has a lot of false information, but you can order books right? so why don't you give the internet a rest and do it that way?

if you read the qur'an it says that if Allah wanted He could have created one religion but He didn't on purpose, to test us- and its true look how much more we appreciate our religion cause we have used logic to arrive at it as opposed to having only one choice and then not being as committed to our faith

as a muslim, you can beleive in both Allah and Jesus- but jesus as a prophet, nt God- as that defeats the whole purpose of becomeing a muslim (that there is no god but Allah)

Can i just ask what brought about this change cause i remember when you first came here you were very pro-christinaity evangelical

[Mustafa83]

oh no!

you haven't insulted anyone!

Although i wonder how much non-biased information you would have got from shia chat as opposed to ummah in which anyone can come on?

Allah doesn't burden a soul beyond what it can handle, Allah will only hold you accountable for what you can achieve if you try, prayer is an obligation for us all, if your in hospital or something and u can only move certain limbs i.e. an arm or move your eyes and head only then you should do the prayer actions with the functions you have, nobody is going to expect them to do the full prayer!

Are you seriously going to miss presents over final relief in your heart- if it helps there are 2 eids in the muslim calander (like christmas times two!)

THat woman you want to date, first of all as a muslim you can't date, and if she hated you for it, was she really worth it?

even if you can't go outside you got the internet which has a lot of false information, but you can order books right? so why don't you give the internet a rest and do it that way?

if you read the qur'an it says that if Allah wanted He could have created one religion but He didn't on purpose, to test us- and its true look how much more we appreciate our religion cause we have used logic to arrive at it as opposed to having only one choice and then not being as committed to our faith

as a muslim, you can beleive in both Allah and Jesus- but jesus as a prophet, nt God- as that defeats the whole purpose of becomeing a muslim (that there is no god but Allah)

Can i just ask what brought about this change cause i remember when you first came here you were very pro-christinaity evangelical

well ummahchat vs shiachat I like to get information about islam from more then 1 source. As for dateing maybe I can stay christian and date her then later on I can become Muslim but i wish i could date and be a muslim. When

I first came here i was very pro christian not really evangelical evangelical is more protestant like mrs penfold. Basicly like i said in other post i still dont know what i want my final path to be but as I stay on ummah forum more often and continue to debate/talk with members i am begginng to get addicted and likeing Islam more as time goes by. I think If i was a muslim i woudl probebly be more of a "liberal muslim' but still be conservative on moral issues just not be conservative on internationel issues. I am always agree with reema,shawli,amir ali,mariam,etc etc and i feel the same way as them. I am also kind of fed up with catholicism i dont like how it is set up all the priest abuse cases and catholic church is not being strong enough on moral issues and not being conservative enough.

America is no longer a christian nation it lost its identity around 30-40 years ago and also europe is becoming more muslim and european christians are becoming liberaly corrupted. many peopel may disagree with me but US is being over run by corrupt neocon big government and morally corrupt liberals. The catholic church isnt doing enough to stop it. I always thought about changing my religion to some protestant one but after encountering Mrs Penfold and her rudeness i have felt not really welcomed to that side of christianity compared to Islam i feel like i would be more welcomed to Islam.

However i stil not have made up my mind due to being afraid mostly but I will try because its getting that time in my life to plan my final path so i can leave this earth safetly and be with God. I will remain christian for the time being so i can do some things that i cant do in islam and then maybe i will convert it all depends how my family will react.

[Sophiya]

but remember death...no soul can escape it and ever thought of the fact you might die before you convert?

[Mary Carol]

Hi Matthew,

My thoughts and advice are better left for the sanctity of a PM.

So check yours. :)

Peace,

Mariam

[Saifullah]

well ummahchat vs shiachat I like to get information about islam from more then 1 source. As for dateing maybe I can stay christian and date her then later on I can become Muslim but i wish i could date and be a muslim. When

I first came here i was very pro christian not really evangelical evangelical is more protestant like mrs penfold. Basicly like i said in other post i still dont know what i want my final path to be but as I stay on ummah forum more often and continue to debate/talk with members i am begginng to get addicted and likeing Islam more as time goes by. I think If i was a muslim i woudl probebly be more of a "liberal muslim' but still be conservative on moral issues just not be conservative on internationel issues. I am always agree with reema,shawli,amir ali,mariam,etc etc and i feel the same way as them. I am also kind of fed up with catholicism i dont like how it is set up all the priest abuse cases and catholic church is not being strong enough on moral issues and not being conservative enough.

America is no longer a christian nation it lost its identity around 30-40 years ago and also europe is becoming more muslim and european christians are becoming liberaly corrupted. many peopel may disagree with me but US is being over run by corrupt neocon big government and morally corrupt liberals. The catholic church isnt doing enough to stop it. I always thought about changing my religion to some protestant one but after encountering Mrs Penfold and her rudeness i have felt not really welcomed to that side of christianity compared to Islam i feel like i would be more welcomed to Islam.

However i stil not have made up my mind due to being afraid mostly but I will try because its getting that time in my life to plan my final path so i can leave this earth safetly and be with God. I will remain christian for the time being so i can do some things that i cant do in islam and then maybe i will convert it all depends how my family will react.

Do you think islam is for you?!

One of the greatest things about being a muslim is that, man is not a slave to man, or himself, rather he is subserviants to a supreme being, above all imperfections and faults, the one and only creater, he alone we ask for help and to him alone we turn!

So for muslims being "accepted" is no issue, we dont look for praise or approval of men, rather we only stive to please Allah, and Allah alone, seek the sole good pleasure of our Lord. In doing so, every man right knowing and acting, will recognise our goodness and morals.

Being a muslim, also means, we stive against our lower whims and desires, and in doing so we free ourselves and better ourselves, or else if we always responded to our needs, desires and liking, we are no better than animals. So as for dating, its your own weakness your responding too, instead if you like this person, and they like you, then even if you are a muslim, she will see past the label and see you, you as a better person, this will also show you the worth of this person and how they think, as muslims we value and respect, our fellow humans, be they man or women, so we tend to marry people, as to give them a full commitment, or else its only cheap talk and a waste of emotions, energy and time. Using and abusing is not from the ways of Islam and Muslims.

As a muslim, you shall be tested, and when you revert, you will no doubt face new challenges, im sure the reverts here can shed some more light on the issues they do face and have faced.

[Mustafa83]

Originally Posted by Sophyia
but remember death...no soul can escape it and ever thought of the fact you might die before you convert?


well like I said before not all kaafirs is bad so if i do die before I convert at least i will be in good company with millions of other kaafirs i have been living through pain in this life so in the next life i can probebly get use to it. But i am in no rush to convert im still trying to decide because i dont know what the true path is but something is guiding me to islam and as i continue to visit this forum and particpate in this community i feel i will get closer to converting.

I belive if the person is good they will get a 2nd chance most people on these forums probebly dont agree but i feel allah will understand and he love me.

Originally Posted by Saifullah Do you think islam is for you

Yes because Islam really fits in my morals and belifs the religion seems more pure it does not feel corrupted like christianity has become. If you look at all the muslim nations they are all dedicated to there religion and pray over 4 times a day. Compared to most christian nations christinaity has totally been erased by the liberals in america and the atheist and pagens so america/europe has lost its christian idenity because it has become morally corrupt. Violence/adult things/filthy things has plauged america and plauged american youth. The only christians i see really really dedicated is mormons but they are totally wrong they belive Jesus visited america and will return in america which i think iis absolutly false i belive Jesus will return in the middle east where he was born.

But if I do convert im probebly not going to tell my parents but i would want to evenutlly tell them and maybe try to show them the right way too but i doubt they would convert I would probebly leave this earth a muslim and they would not even know.

[Sophiya]

i will reply properly later, but just for now, trust me, the least pain in hell, is greater than the most excruitiating pain in earth.

Allah says that every soul shall get the reward for an atom's worth of good/bad. Your Lord is most fair.

sometimes the trials we are given in this world make us the people we are, and the values we come to appreciate, only Allah knows if we didn't have such things would we be the same?

[Arsalan]

Dear Mathew , you wont loose Jesus peace be upon him. I think you know of the muslims belief regarding him. We muslims regarding him as the pure spirit from Allah swt, and he is very close to Allah swt right now, and we are awating his return . We believe in all his miracles too, by the will and permission of Allah swt.

But the major difference is the muslims dont believe in his crucifixtion or his being taken as a partner along with Allah swt. these are fundemenrally against islamic beliefs. This is the only Hurdle you have to overcome.

You will be a true Christian IF and only IF you are a true and sincere muslim. IMO (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=602702&postcount=3)

:)

You dont need to tell your parents. Your situation is awkaward, and there is no requirement to yell your parents. Piety is in your heart and in your acitons, and Allah knows the belief in your heart if it is True or NOT.

[Mustafa83]

Dear Mathew , you wont loose Jesus peace be upon him. I think you know of the muslims belief regarding him. We muslims regarding him as the pure spirit from Allah swt, and he is very close to Allah swt right now, and we are awating his return . We believe in all his miracles too, by the will and permission of Allah swt.

But the major difference is the muslims dont believe in his crucifixtion or his being taken as a partner along with Allah swt. these are fundemenrally against islamic beliefs. This is the only Hurdle you have to overcome.

You will be a true Christian IF and only IF you are a true and sincere muslim. IMO (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=602702&postcount=3)

:)



You dont need to tell your parents. Your situation is awkaward, and there is no requirement to yell your parents. Piety is in your heart and in your acitons, and Allah knows the belief in your heart if it is True or NOT.


man this going to be tough because i know Jesus died on the cross there was alot of evidence and in the movie the passion it shows what happend to him Jesus really died on a cross.

i love allah and jesus and i belive in them both i am 50% muslim now but i still got to do alot of things before i convert because it would be bad if i did them as a muslim.

[Arsalan]

Hi Mathew. Ok this is a difference in belief

All i can say is the Quranic verse:

4:157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah.;- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-


وَقَوْلِهِمْ إِنَّا قَتَلْنَا الْمَسِيحَ عِيسَى ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ رَسُولَ اللّهِ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ وَمَا صَلَبُوهُ وَلَـكِن شُبِّهَ لَهُمْ وَإِنَّ الَّذِينَ اخْتَلَفُواْ فِيهِ لَفِي شَكٍّ مِّنْهُ مَا لَهُم بِهِ مِنْ عِلْمٍ إِلاَّ اتِّبَاعَ الظَّنِّ وَمَا قَتَلُوهُ يَقِينًا

004.158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;-

[Sophiya]

matthew , nobody is disputing that jesus was going to be crucified, but muslims don't beleive he actually was

what is your evidence apart from a movie by some evangelical whose father denied the holocost ever happened

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

Matthew, don't worry about sects. You will never find a perfect Muslim. Muhammad :saw: was closest but he died 1400 years ago.

Not the closest sis, but the best :love:


Oh Allah shower Blessings on Muhammad :saw: and the children of Muhammad :saw: as you've blessed Ibrahim (AS) and his children for you are ther praise worthy the glorious. AMEEN :inlove:

:salams