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~Stanley~
29-04-05, 03:46 PM
The Mysterious 19 in the Quran
A Critical Evaluation
http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Nehls/Ask/number19.html


Chart from the Book "The Quran: Muhammad's Perpetual Miracle"
http://www.answering-islam.org.uk/Nehls/Ask/chart.html


I am curious to understand if anyone would base their faith,
using the above claim as proof of the validity of such faith ?

~Stanley~
03-05-05, 04:26 PM
Hijabe c'est notre liberte on ne le porte pas par force mais parceque nous sommes sur que c'est la bonne voie c'est la proprete et tout ceux qui veulent nous prive de notre liberte et notre islam ca ne fais que nous donne plus de force.
Hijabe it is our freedom one does not carry it by force but because we are on it is the good way it is cleanliness and all those which want deprives us of our freedom and our Islam Ca do not make that us more force gives.

It's all greek to me !

Besides not speaking or reading french, I didn't notice any reference to the content of my original question.

Sophiya
04-05-05, 12:10 PM
http://www.submission.org/miracle/endless.html

~Stanley~
07-05-05, 06:32 PM
http://www.submission.org/miracle/endless.html


Thanks ! I book-marked it for reading later ;)

abdulhakeem
07-05-05, 07:14 PM
The Khalifites (19ers)

This group is actually outside the fold of Islaam and its adherents are not considered Muslims. Its founder, Rashid Khalifah, came up with a mathematical formula around the number 19 and claimed that the Qur'ân was constructed around this number.

That which has been Revealed to us (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/ahaadeeth/that_which_has_been_revealed_to_us.htm)



SYMPATHY FOR THE KHALIFITE [ (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/sympathy_for_the_khalifite.htm)Khalifites - Believers in the Mathematical Miracle of the Qur'ân] (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/sympathy_for_the_khalifite.htm)


The International Community of Submitters (http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/international_community_of_submiters.htm)

These are the Rejectors of the Sunnah, and spring from the works of Ghulaam Ahmad Parweiz and Rashid Khalifah, both of whom were declared apostates, due to their very clear and apparent kufr.

http://www.allaahuakbar.net/khalifites/index.htm



The Zionist Khalifites (19ers)



This group (the Submitters) is actually outside the fold of Islam and its adherents are not considered Muslims. Its founder, Rashid Khalifah, came up with a mathematical formula around the number 19 and claimed that the Quran was constructed around this number.


Islam = Qur'an + Sunnah (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/quran_sunnah.htm)

The cult of the Zionest agent, Rashad Khalifa (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submitters.htm): An exposition to the 'Submitters'.

A refutation to the 'Submitters' (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submit_refut.htm)

Rashid Khalifa's Trick (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submit_trick.htm)

Submitters say: Satan is a temporary god on earth! (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submit_satan.htm)

The Sunnah and its Position in the Islamic Shareeah (http://islamicweb.com/?folder=quran&file=sibai_sunnah) by Dr. Mustafaa As-Sibaa'ee

A New Cult Pretending to Be Islam (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submit_beliefs.htm)

The Jewish origin of the Submitters (http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/jewish_submitters.htm)

The Liers (http://www.geocities.com/arabicpaper911/bogus.html): an exellent study to the history of this cult.

http://islamicweb.com/beliefs/cults/submit.htm







The Quran's Numerical Miracle:


Hoax and Heresy


Main | Table of Contents (http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/quran01b.htm) |Reviews (http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/quran01c.htm)


Written by
Dr. Abu Ameenah Bilal Philips

Published by
Abul Qasim Publications in 1987

Description
This work is a refutation of Rashad Khalifa's claim in the 70's to have discovered the numerical miracle of the Quran which led him to claim knowledge of the date of the end of the world, to deny the validity of the sunnah and later claim prophethood for himself.

Book Info
Pages - 68
Binding - Paperback
Dimension - 16.7cm x 23.4cm
Cost - $ 4.00 / £ 2.50

http://www.bilalphilips.com/books/quran01a.htm

abdulhakeem
07-05-05, 07:26 PM
History
Rashad Khalifa, b. 1935 CE. Biochemist be profession. Made a 'translation' of the Qur'an and called it the "Authorized English Version." Announced 'mathematical miracle of the Qur'an' in '74, and claimed to have discovered that 2 verses had been added. In 1408 AH, claimed to Messenger of Allah. Assassinated in 1990.

Beliefs and Practices

that the Qur'an was corrupted, just like other scriptures!

that the Qur'an is the only source of legislation, and that hadith is corrupted and unacceptable!

emphasis on numerology (based on the number 19) as a means of deduction of facts and legislation.

that Allah did not order Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him) to sacrifice his son.

that Muslims idolized Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him and his Household).

that Prophet Jesus (peace be upon him) died.

that Rashad Khalifa was a Messsenger of Allah!

that the computer is the Beast of the Earth, that Ya'juj and Ma'juj will appear in 2271 CE, and that the end of the world will be in 2280 CE.

that Hell is not yet created.

that Islam is based on the Qur'an and the religious practices of Prophet Abraham (peace be upon him), but that these were corrupted by people.

that the age of responsibility is 40.

that adulterers are not stoned, and that thieves do not get their hands amputated.

that hijab is not a religious practice.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=167114&postcount=4

A New Cult Pretending to Be Islam

The following are details about a new sect created in the1970 's. They have a mish-mash of biblical/Quranic/made up beliefs.

They insist that they are not Qadiani but support the view that Jesus (Isa (as)) is dead and NOT coming back.

They are actually WORSE than Qadiyanis and Bahais put together!! (At least the Bahais have disassociatedfrom Islam & Muslims.

The Web Site by 'Nadeem Quraishi' concerning Isa alaihissalaam not coming back is one of their 'productions'.


They have made the number 19 into a God! EVERYTHING depends on19 .
They believe in a new Messenger because of19 .
They change Islam because of19
They remove verses from the Quran because of19 .
They have invented a new religion because of19 .

They DISTORT/CHANGE the meanings of the words of the Quran to confuse people and to make the Quran agree with their heretical views. They want confused people to think that they know what they are talking about.(i.e. that they are clever, intelligent, wise etc). They do not show their true beliefs straightaway. This is so that the confused person does not get frightened/disgusted and runs away from them. They constantly point to APPARENT contradictions in the Hadith to place doubt into the hearts of Muslims.


This sect call themselves 'Submitters'. Based at 'Masjid' Tucson, Arizona, USA.

They have also been called Khalifites but it is suggested that we should call them Tucsonis (or Tucsonites) and that their religion is Tucsonism. This is in keeping with the tradition of naming Heresies from their places of birth (i.e Qadianism started from a place in India called Qadian and Tucsonism started in Tucson in Arizona USA)

The word Khalifite, Khilafat or Khalif must NEVER be associted with anything bad or evil such as Tucsonism.

The OBLIGATION of implementing Khilafat must be stressed and repeatedly mentioned because it frightens certain groups who wish to destroy its very name.

Hence their creation of 'Rashad Khalifa' Tucsoni to oppose the 'Khalifa Rashida' (Rightly Guided Khalif).

This Rashad Tucsoni started off by claiming to have discovered a mathematical 'miracle' embedded in the Quran. Other muslims started to sing his praises (inc.Ahmad Deedat who later disassociated himself from Rashad Tucsoni) and he became well known.

He later claimed that certain verses of the Quran did not produce the required/desired mathematical results therefore these verses should be removed from the Quran.

Then he claimed to have visited Heaven and met all the Prophets and that he (Rashad Tucsoni) is the Final Messenger of Allaah. (astaghfirullaah for even mentioning such blasphemies!!)

He didn't stop there!! He went even further than Mirza Qadiani by inventing a new religion!!! Details below.

Their Beliefs are:

Only the 'Submitters' or Tucsonites are the true believers.

ALL the other billions of Muslims since the companions time till today are hypocrites and commit Shirk.

Islam was corrupted immediately after the Prophet's (may Peace Be Upon Him) death.

The Hadith are ALL fabrications of Hypocrites & Idol worshippers & are NOT to be followed.

The Sunnah are silly Arab traditions and NOT to be followed.

Islam has a "bizarre dietary system with multitudes of prohibitions"

"Only the meat of pig is prohibited, not its fat. God does not prohibit pigs, but prohibits only the meat of pigs."

The Quran's authenticity can be proven by playing with the number of letters, words, Surahs etc of the Quran by adding or multiplying them together and then see if the resultant is divisible by the special number '19'.

The two verses of Surah9 : 128and129 spoil this calculation therefore they are removed from the Quran.


They claim that these 2 false verses in the Quran were introduced by Uthman and the other scribes.

Verses can be removed from one Surah and placed into another Surah to produce the 'mathematical structure'.

Jesus (Isa (as)) is dead and NOT coming back

Muhammad's (may Peace Be Upon Him) name is not to be invoked:


In the Shahada (First Pillar)
In Tashahhud & Prayers (Second Pillar)
In the Azaan
In the Mosques

Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him) is the last Nabi...............but NOT the last Messenger

(This is one of The Tucsonites favourite quotes. They will mention only the first part to differentiate themselves from the Qadianis in order to confuse Muslims)

Rashad Khalifa Tucsoni(the apostate) is THE MESSENGER OF THE COVENANT.
(I.e. The Last, Best, Greatest who UNIFIES all religions and predicted that the world will end in 2280 CE ( 1710AH)- multiples of19 !!)

Muhammad (may Peace Be Upon Him) wrote down the Quran with his own hand.

Satan is a 'fallen Angel'. All Jinns are 'fallen Angels'.


ANYBODY, repeat ANYBODY who dies before the age of 40 WILL go straight to heaven!! NO matter how wicked, evil, sinful they appear to be. Martin Luther King is specifically mentioned as having died before 40 andtherefore went straight to Heaven!!

Circumcision is an abomination and must be stopped Women need NOT cover head or wear veil. Gold & Silk are ALLOWED for Men

Capital Punishment NOT allowed. A Murderer MUST only gives money to family of victim. The Thief's hand is NOT to be cut off. Only 'marked'. (With a pen?)
Adulterers are NOT stoned to death.

Helped by such 'researchers' some of who even 'discovered' better 'miracles' (i.e. bigger numbers divisible by19 !!) than their 'messenger'.

Note 'Edip Yuksel' is supposed to have translated the Quran into Turkish and Kurdish. Please make people aware of the beliefs of these people.

One may add the names of 'Nadeem Quraishi' - author of web page about Jesus being dead and 'Niaz Aziz' who hangs around Chat rooms trying to confuse people by telling half truths in order to gain converts to their because. It may even be one person using different names.


Their websites are --------g and www.--------.org (http://www.--------.org/) (there are others also) The above information is from their appendices to the text version of the downloadable Quran. Needless to say, BE CAREFUL!!! The site looks very nice & Islamic BUT contains pure KUFR.


It is obviously a creation by people who fear Islam and wish to distort it from within. After their failures with Bahaism, Qadianism, Arabism, Secularism and all other sects that have tried to change classical Islam, Tucsonism is another attempt. Another experiment.

This sect targets individuals & groups to convert them to their way of thinking.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=187711&postcount=1

SUBMITTERS INTERNATIONAL


SUBMITTERS INTERNATIONAL:

Sometimes referred to as 19ers or Khalifites. The followers of Rashid Khalifa, a biologist from Egypt with no formal training in theology or Islamic sciences, he proclaimed himself the Messenger of the Covenant and proclaimed that the last two ayaat of Surat ut-Tawba should be deleted, as the ‘contradict the mathematical code of the Qur’an.’

Founder

Rashid Khalifa was born in Kafr az-Zayat in Egypt on 19 November, 1935. His father was the leader of the Shadhli Sufi Tariqah, with thousands of followers under his guidance. As a young man, he grew up with a great spiritual and Islamic education, excelling especially in his study of the earthly sciences.

Khalifa would later take a graduate degree with honours from the Ain Shams University in the College of Agriculture. Upon graduation, he headed to the United States in 1959, where he would receive a master’s degree in biochemistry from Arizona State University. He would also take a ph.D. from the University of California in Riverside. He even held a post as a senior advisor in Agriculture and Biochemistry for the United Nations.

In his spare time, he enjoyed studying the Qur’an and Sunna by himself without any sources. He would stay up late into the night, attempting to understand the meanings without direct reference to the sources with understanding. After an intensive self-study venture into the Qur’an and Sunna, Mr. Khalifa proclaimed that indeed he was the messenger of the covenant, sent by Allah to purify the Qur’an from its’ most satanic innovation, that of the Sunna. Khalifa stated that the Sunna in and of itself was corrupted and was not acceptable to be used alongside the Qur’an.

His most explosive and stomach turning episode came when he proclaimed that the last two verses of Surat ut-Tawba were fabricated, as they did not fit in with the number 19 miracle that prophesied his coming and his messengership. He then called that the verses be removed. For the rest of his days on Earth, he wrote pamphlets, a translation of the Qur’an done by himself as well as numerous polemical tracts proclaiming that most Muslims today were not Muslims at all, but accursed worshippers of the Prophet Muhammad SAW.

Of all the different things that Muslim communities in the United States disagreed over, they agreed to that Rashid Khalifa was an impostor. Unfortunately, Ahmad Deedat attempted to use his ‘number 19 miracle’ for his lectures, which backfired when Khalifa proclaimed his prophethood based on these mathematical findings. Rashid Khalifa suffered death threats, expulsion from many communities and his followers bore this persecution with him, for the love of their ‘messenger of the covenant’. On January 1990, Rashid Khalifa was assassinated while working on another work to prove his messengership.

Key Beliefs

1. As a formal doctrine of their group, the Submitters state categorically that Allah is unknowable.

2. The Paradise and the Fire as described in the Qur’an are referred to as mere states of mind and not actual places.

3. The last of the Messengers is not the Prophet Muhammad, as he was only the last prophet. Submitters hold that Dr. Rashid Khalifa was the last messenger of the covenant to reveal the ‘miracle’ 19 code of the Qur’an.

4. The Sunna of the Messenger of Allah is not accepted as a source of law nor as even revelation.

5. Submitters will not submit to the authority of one of the 4 interpretative disciplines passed down.

6. The Blessed Hope of Seeing Allah in the Hereafter is rejected.

7. The Prophet Muhammad SAW is not the primordial one, rather he was just another messenger as all the others were merely messenger.

Extent

There are perhaps between 1-5,000 members of the Submitters International, most of them being based in the state of Arizona in the United States, where the movement was founded.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=397709&postcount=42