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Arsalan
28-04-05, 09:09 PM
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London area and you'll get paid to do it. Shortage of carers especially for Muslim teenage boys. They are from a range of countries, Iraq, Iran, Kosova, Palestine, Pakistan and Somalia. See factsheet here (http://www.muslimfostercare.com/Fostering%20Muslim%20Teenage%20Boys.pdf)

http://www.muslimfostercare.com/

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May Allah make it easy for us to foster the children of this Ummah . And all the other children of this world Amen.

Need i remind you of some of the children who are falling into non muslim hands??

Raven
28-04-05, 09:13 PM
I didn't think you were allowed to foster childern, or at least children of the opposite gender.

Maybe that's why non-Muslims are having to step-in and adopt the kids -- Muslims refuse to do it.

Arsalan
28-04-05, 09:15 PM
I havent heard of such a thing, people within my extended family do it all the time, and treat em like their own sons and daughters so to say, in fact one relative looked after more then a dozen kids. :)

ill look into your assertion anyhow.

Arsalan
28-04-05, 09:17 PM
I didn't think you were allowed to foster childern, or at least children of the opposite gender.

Maybe that's why non-Muslims are having to step-in and adopt the kids -- Muslims refuse to do it.

HI

read this it answers ur assertion :)

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=8277

Is foster care of children allowed in Islam? What is the proper method of adoption?

Is foster care of children allowed in Islam? What is the proper method of adoption? What about organizations that require a couple to be married 3 years, is this required in Islamic adoption? What about purdah, is the child mehram or nonmehram to adoptive parents? Up to what age must the child be cared for? what about programs that wont give child until three years later?

ANswer:

If by adoption is meant that you take a poor child and look after his boarding, lodging and clothing, Islam has always stressed the importance of helping the poor and needy people. One can always give charity and fatherly love to the child.

It is reported in a Hadith that the one who assumes responsibility for the well-being of an orphan will be granted the nearness of Nabi (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) in Jannat (Mishkaat). This is an extremely neglected Sunnat of our beloved Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) and we should definitely aspire in this direction; however, we must uphold the framework of the Shariah.

One cannot legally adopt; you cannot give your name to the child. Legal adoption like this is prohibited in Islam. If a person legally adopts a child there can be several complications. Firstly, the child will lose his identity. Secondly, suppose after adopting a child one has children of his own. It is natural that in such a situation you will show bias in favour of your own blood child. Thirdly, if the child born to you is of the opposite sex to the adopted child, they cannot freely stay in the same home because they aren't blood related to each other. When the adopted child, a girl, grows up, she has to make Purdah (Hijaab) with the adopted father as he is not her real father. If the boy becomes a man and marries, there will be Hijaab between the so called father and daughter-in-law.

If you adopt a child you will be depriving him/her of many rights. If a person dies, the property that he leaves behind has to be divided according to what is mentioned in the Qur'an. If the person has children and if he legally adopted a child, he will be depriving his own child of his legitimate inheritance. If a person has no children when he dies, then his wife will get 1/4 the estate. If there are children she gets 1/8. Again the adopted child will reduce the share of the mother should this child be considered legally legitimate.

To avoid all these complications, legal adoption is prohibited in Islam. However this should in no way dissuade us from earning tremendous reward by taking care of orphan children.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Arsalan
28-04-05, 09:23 PM
That is the fiqh of adopting a child? http://www.sunnipath.com/images/bism01.jpg

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In the name of Allah, the Compassionate, the Merciful

Adopting a child, bringing it up, seeing to its education and training and being kind and good towards him/her is very virtuous and a commendable act. If the child is an orphan and has no support, then the reward is much more.

In a Hadith recorded by Imam al-Bukhari in his Sahih, the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) said: “I and the guardian of the orphan will be in Paradise like this”, and the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) joined his index finger with his middle finger. Meaning that the one who looks after the orphan will be very close to the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) in Paradise.

This is an extremely neglected Sunnah of our beloved Prophet (Allah bless him & give him peace) and we should definitely encourage ourselves and others towards this direction.

However, it should always be kept in mind that according to Shariah, the lineage of the adopted child does not become established with the adoptive parents. Adoption of a child has no legal effect in Shariah. The child should not be attributed except to the natural parents, and not to those who have adopted him/her.

This is a fundamental principle and ruling laid down by the Holy Qura’n. The people in the days of ignorance (Jahiliyya) used to treat an adopted child as the real one in all aspects. The Qura’n condemned this practice with the following verse:

“And He (Allah) did not make your adopted sons your sons. That is only your speech by your mouths. And Allah guides you to the right path. Call them by (the names of) their (real) fathers. It is more just in the sight of Allah”. (Surah al-Ahzab,v:4, 5)

The Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him and give him peace) adopted the Companion Zaid ibn Haritha (Allah be pleased with him) and the other companions (Allah be pleased with them) initially referred to him as “Zaid ibn Muhammad.” When the abovementioned verse of the Qura’n was revealed, they reverted to calling him “Zaid ibn Haritha.”

In view of this important principle of Shariah, the following points need to be taken in to consideration:

1) Legal adoption is not permissible. This means that one cannot change the lineage of an adopted child and substitute the names of his real parents with adoptive parents. The child should always be attributed to the real parents so that it becomes common knowledge amongst the people who the real parents are.

2)If the adoptive mother breastfeeds the adopted child, then it becomes their foster child. In this case the child will be similar to the real children with regards to the Nikah and Hijab rules, i.e. the child can not marry the foster parent, neither any of the foster parent’s children. However with regards to inheritance, it will not inherit from the family.

3)If the adoptive mother does not breastfeed the adopted child, then the relationship of fosterage will not be established and the child will be classed as other children with regards to Nikah and Hijab. An adopted child can marry it’s adoptive parents and their children. Also if a male child is adopted by a woman, she will observe Hijab from him after he reaches the age of puberty and visa versa. The adopted child will also (after puberty) observe Hijab with the adoptive parent’s children.

4)An adopted child will not inherit from his adoptive parents and to regard an adopted child as a real child in the matter of inheritance is incorrect. However, it should be remembered that although the child cannot inherit from the adoptive parents, it is permissible, rather advisable to make a bequest in its favor in ones life time. This will for the child can be made up to one third of ones wealth, provided the child is not already included in the list of inheritors.

5)It is necessary to allow the adopted child to meet it’s real parents. Preventing him/her from meeting them and creating any obstacles will be considered as oppression.

6)Good behavior and conduct should be displayed towards the adopted children, especially if they are orphans. If a person cannot look after the adopted child in a proper manner, then he should not adopt, otherwise he will earn punishment rather than reward.

7)The wealth of the adopted child who has not yet reached puberty, should be kept safe. If there is a need to spend the money on the child then one can utilize the child’s money upon him. However it should be spent with extreme care and there should be no extravagance. Loans cannot be taken from the child’s money, nor can it be given in charity.

From the foregoing, all your queries should be answered, nevertheless here are the answers to your questions:

(1)Yes, the boy will be considered a brother to the children whose mother breast fed him, and therefore all the rules Nikah will apply.

(2)Yes, the boy will be a Mahram to the woman who breast fed her and thus Nikah with her or her children will be not allowed.

(3)No, the boy will not be a Mahram to the adoptive mother and will have to observe Hijab with her after reaching puberty and also the rules of Nikah will apply.

And only Allah knows best

Muhammad ibn Adam al-Kawthari
Leicester, UK


www.sunnipath.com

Raven
28-04-05, 09:23 PM
What I got from that is that if a couple adopts a girl, the father would not be allowed to be with her. Wouldn't that create a logistical nightmare in the household?

Or, did I misread it?

Arsalan
28-04-05, 09:28 PM
What I got from that is that if a couple adopts a girl, the father would not be allowed to be with her. Wouldn't that create a logistical nightmare in the household?


Or, did I misread it?

HI no you read it fine. :)

" Adopt Hijab / Purdah ". Logistical nightmare yes, with the right intentions and planning and financing this is all surmountable. Looking after parentless kids has always been a highly recommended sunnah of the Prophet of Islam. And for this reason there are strict guidelines to be followed in construcing a spiritually healthy environment for the orphan as well as materially beneficial environment accorind to the spirit and law of the shariah to provide for the rights of everyone.

There is a rational logic to all this of course, and examples of what can happen in the contrary scenario can be given for the sake of arguement, but i think you know wot i mean.

Tahajjud
28-04-05, 09:35 PM
Adoption is a legal proceeding that creates a parent-child relation between persons not related by blood; the adopted child is entitled to all privileges belonging to a natural child of the adoptive parents (including the right to inherit)

Fostering is providing (http://rhymezone.com/r/d?u=providing&loc=fdef) or receiving (http://rhymezone.com/r/d?u=receiving&loc=fdef) nurture or parental (http://rhymezone.com/r/d?u=parental&loc=fdef) care though not related by blood or legal ties

In Islam as we see to foster or provide and nurture for children that are not related to you by blood but have no parents is a great deed. Many Hadith narrate the importance of helping orphaned children. The Qur'an says

[2.177] It is not righteousness that you turn your faces towards the East and the West, but righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the Book and the prophets, and give away wealth out of love for Him to the near of kin and the orphans and the needy and the wayfarer and the beggars and for (the emancipation of) the captives, and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate; and the performers of their promise when they make a promise, and the patient in distress and affliction and in time of conflicts-- these are they who are {rue (to themselves) and these are they who guard (against evil).

So helping (in either way) to bring up and give money to orphans and families that need it is incredibly encouraged.

One should not forget the one and only called son of the Prophet was Zaid bin Haritha, he was also one of the first men to accept Islam. The Qur'an says to distinguish between adopted and biological and that the adopted children should be given the name of their biological parents. Therefore bringing up orphaned or abandened children is a great deed as mentioned in the Qur'an, adoption meaning calling the child your own is DECEIVING not only to the child but to yourself and society as well

"God has not made for any man two hearts in his (one) body. Nor has He made your wives whom you divorce by Zihar, your mothers. Nor has He made your adopted sons your sons. Such is (only) your (manner of) speech by your mouths. But God tells the truth and He shows the (right) way. Name them after their fathers: that is juster in the sight of God. But if you don't know their fathers' names, (call them) your brothers in faith and your maulas. .." (33:4-5)

This was also narrated when the prophet SAW married Hazrat Zainab radhialla anho.

http://www.islamset.com/bioethics/obstet/adopt.html

And when one looks at it in a point in reality although true love may exist between the child and adopted parents like with zaid and the prophet, the adopted parents are NOT the biological parents therefore can NEver be the actual parents.

The Prophet, peace be upon him, says: "Whoever brings up two girls and looks after them until they are adult, will be my companion in heaven like these (signaling with his two fingers to indicate the close companionship)." That applies whether the girls are one’s own daughters or other girls.

So basically, in Islam, fostering as in bringing up children is good whereas to call someones elses child your own like in adoption (giving the child your name..etc..) is wrong.

Allah Knows best

Mustafa83
28-04-05, 09:41 PM
well its probebly best for a muslim to adopt them cause if not then a christian probebly would and convert them to christian like that one story i posted a few months back about the christian soldier in iraq adopting the handicap muslim boy and converting him to christianity.

Nusaybah.
28-04-05, 09:52 PM
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London area and you'll get paid to do it. Shortage of carers especially for Muslim teenage boys. They are from a range of countries, Iraq, Iran, Kosova, Palestine, Pakistan and Somalia. See factsheet here (http://www.muslimfostercare.com/Fostering%20Muslim%20Teenage%20Boys.pdf)

http://www.muslimfostercare.com/

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May Allah make it easy for us to foster the children of this Ummah . And all the other children of this world Amen.

Need i remind you of some of the children who are falling into non muslim hands??

Insha'allah i would like to foster, thanks for the info will look into it more.

Supernova Nebula
29-04-05, 03:18 AM
ohh this is really good news, i would want to adopt one or two, is the process difficult? me as a non-UK citizen?

PiElle
29-04-05, 04:17 AM
i'm interested to know more... :D

simmy
29-04-05, 04:35 AM
What I got from that is that if a couple adopts a girl, the father would not be allowed to be with her. Wouldn't that create a logistical nightmare in the household?

Or, did I misread it?

A related thread where adoption/fostering is discussed :)

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55260

Supernova Nebula
29-04-05, 05:52 AM
ohh this is really good news, i would want to adopt one or two, is the process difficult? me as a non-UK citizen?

i mean , what if i want to adopt in the future.

PiElle
29-04-05, 07:24 AM
i mean , what if i want to adopt in the future.

can't u do it in malaysia?

Supernova Nebula
29-04-05, 07:28 AM
can't u do it in malaysia?

Yes i can. just excited when reading the above article and since I wont be in Malaysia next year...anyway, forget it, like I'm allowed.:(

PiElle
29-04-05, 07:58 AM
Yes i can. just excited when reading the above article and since I wont be in Malaysia next year...anyway, forget it, like I'm allowed.:(

that's great to know. well... when the time's right... i'm sure you can do it then lor... :D

Arsalan
29-04-05, 06:03 PM
I read a good double page feature on this in the London Muslim today. Anyone else read it. MAshAllah seem pretty good! :)



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London area and you'll get paid to do it. Shortage of carers especially for Muslim teenage boys. They are from a range of countries, Iraq, Iran, Kosova, Palestine, Pakistan and Somalia. See factsheet here (http://www.muslimfostercare.com/Fostering%20Muslim%20Teenage%20Boys.pdf)

http://www.muslimfostercare.com/

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May Allah make it easy for us to foster the children of this Ummah . And all the other children of this world Amen.

Need i remind you of some of the children who are falling into non muslim hands??

muslimahlillah
29-04-05, 09:27 PM
hmmmmm i know its stupid but i always USED TO wander why ppl had more children when there were children already who needed a home an family lol, an i always wanted to foster some children...but erm....im only young so, gots 2 wait till im older, an plus hubbys dont usually lik takin on other children :( so.....

Tahajjud
29-04-05, 10:10 PM
hmmmmm i know its stupid but i always USED TO wander why ppl had more children when there were children already who needed a home an family lol, an i always wanted to foster some children...but erm....im only young so, gots 2 wait till im older, an plus hubbys dont usually lik takin on other children :( so.....

People always want their own BIOLOGICAL children...

theres always the fear that they are not really their own..you know what im saying. Thats why its such a great deed for someone to foster and bring up orphaned or abandoned children. I really love those people who do it.

Inshallah they will get a reward from Allah SWT as well.

muslimahlillah
30-04-05, 01:44 PM
yeh tahajud i know...but just think how many ppl actually foster childreb.it would b nice if ppl had their own, but also fostered, i mean we sponser orphans...alhamdillah, but just imagine if everyone did, or some ppl, just imagine...........

Ebony
30-04-05, 01:48 PM
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=55260&highlight=children+adopt+foster+breast