HELP me buy a computer (part II)

[Chained_Water]

Assalaamu Alaikum,

OK, so after months of deliberation and serious thought and undecisiveness.. I have come to conclusion that it would be better to buy parts and build a computer :nervous: than to buy one.

I've spoken to the kind and generous Pheonix CG, who offered to help me and gave me this list of what I'd need to buy.

The black bits are what Pheonix has said I need.. and the Red bits is my spec of what I'd like.. the "err..:confused:" ones, mean I don't have a clue about the thing so need :help:

Now, if Athlon ends up being too expensive.. then If someone can find me a spec with P4 that'd be good too.

Ideally my budget is anything less than £700 ..the more under £700 it is the happier I am.. I'd love to be able to do this within the £500-£600 price range.. £650 is pushing me..

So the challenge is to find me all that at the cheapest ..PLEASE, help me!

Then I can buy it and hopefully fumble my way around building it..

Post your findings here so I can compare and purchase the cheapest.. help help help..

May Allah(swt) reward you all for your input :D ..and for helping a sister in need.

Wa alaikum as salaam,
CW

[Chained_Water]

no problem :)
yeh ebuyer is cheapest :)

What u need is:

RAM 1G
CPU AMD Athlon 64
MOTHERBOARD errr.. :confused:
GRAPHICS CARD umm, I hear GeForce is good? or Radeon(is that what its called)?
TOWER/CASE nice and black
MONITOR 17" or 19" TFT please
MOUSE optical is a must.. but I would love a cordless mouse+keyboard, but don't want to spend too much..
KEYBOARD should look nice and match with everything
NETWORK CARD (UNLESS IN BUILT ON MOBO) err.. :confused:
SPEAKERS well, I dunno, just speakers that match with everything I guess
power supple err.. :confused:
CPU FAN BIG err.. :confused:
Case fan (to keep it all cool) err again.. :confused:
Hard drive (sata is faster) 140 or 160 would be nice :D
DVD RW (i use that alot now for back ups) just anything thats good
CD RW (if u want two dvd rw's normally rw can copy cd's too, but i prefer having more drives cas im lazy) don't really want one if DVD RW does the job and I have a big HD
cables for inside the box, if there oem purchases. err.. :confused:
i'd like a £3 floppy off ebuyer too maybe :p

windows cd unless u got ur own :P we all get em from pakistan :P lol

[Baby Paw]

Buy one from Evesham instead

[Phoenix CG]

Sister I'll help in a moment pm me again lol

[Umm Layth]

If u need a plane, I can give u the specs :P

[Chained_Water]

Where in Evesham? :eek2:
:crying: I'm so hopeless at this! arrrgh@me :mad:

Anyways.. I now HAVE TO and am DETERMIND to buy the bits I want and build it.. only problem is, I don't know what half the stuff I need is, what a decent price for it is, which site is the best to buy from, or how to put it together.

InshaAllah, with a little bit of help from my friends, I'll get there.. hopefully some time before October :banghead:

:help:

[Baby Paw]

http://www.evesham.com/

[Chained_Water]

Pheonix my bro :)

Can we do this out here so I can get more feedback and input too?.. inshaAllah.. I'm hoping people can find all the bits online, and gimme links and prices for all the bits I need.. then I can pick the cheapest and best and buy it.. and THEN inshaAllah.. somehow build it.

Thats the plan anyway :confused:

[Umm Layth]

Actually sis, I would advice you get a ready made from Dell or HP.

Computer nowdays are flimsey things. I once decided to build my own computer, I ordered the parts from e-buyer.com. Some of the parts didnt even work like harddisk and power supply unit, I had to return them and get different ones, the whole process took ages to assemble. unless you are a hardware expert I wouldnt recommend sis.

if you buy a ready made comp, you get the recovery CD with it, anytime your computer messes up, you just put the CD in and your comp is restored within minutes.

not the case with home-made computers..they have no on-site warranty and they always mess up a week before your coursework deadline.

[Baby Paw]

Thats why I am saying buy one from Evesham, pick and choose a package you like.

Evesham are pretty good for customer service.

[Chained_Water]

:confused:

But Dell is evil and expensive.. I was going to buy Dell.. but there aren't any good deals around yet and I've gone off Dell.

Just checked out bro Baby Paws link.. the systems look good, but again it's expensive.. maybe I'm too fussy :(

And I'm getting mixed messages.. when I say "I'm buying off Dell" people say, Dell is just a name, they're expensive, they're not that good.. build your own its better etc etc.. and then when I go that way I get the opposite feedback.. LOL

And I'm undecisive at the best of times.. this is just plain confusing! :confused:

Unless I find the miracle deal from heaven.. I'm building it! (If I can get help picking the bits and figuring out what I need to do :embar: )

[Baby Paw]

Evesham is good, check out their catalogue more thoroughly and see if they have anything you like.

We got ours from there over 3 years ago, after being given a raw deal via MESH Computers.

Once we got our refund we went with Evesham, good PC, still using it, never had any problems except the initial teething problems with drivers and wot not.

However, I appear to recall they was quite good with the customer services support.

[ys333]

why pay few hundred pound more for brand name?

its better to buy seperate parts, you can choose the best and they will have guarantee.

[Chained_Water]

Evesham is good, check out their catalogue more thoroughly and see if they have anything you like.

We got ours from there over 3 years ago, after being given a raw deal via MESH Computers.

Once we got our refund we went with Evesham, good PC, still using it, never had any problems except the initial teething problems with drivers and wot not.

However, I appear to recall they was quite good with the customer services support.
JazakAllah Khair bro for the input :)

Gotta nip downstairs and remind my family what I look like :p
But will look through Evesham again later tonight inshaAllah.

Meanwhile, :help: find parts people ..please :embar:

[Umm Layth]

:confused:

But Dell is evil and expensive.. I was going to buy Dell.. but there aren't any good deals around yet and I've gone off Dell.

Just checked out bro Baby Paws link.. the systems look good, but again it's expensive.. maybe I'm too fussy :(

And I'm getting mixed messages.. when I say "I'm buying off Dell" people say, Dell is just a name, they're expensive, they're not that good.. build your own its better etc etc.. and then when I go that way I get the opposite feedback.. LOL

And I'm undecisive at the best of times.. this is just plain confusing! :confused:

Unless I find the miracle deal from heaven.. I'm building it! (If I can get help picking the bits and figuring out what I need to do :embar: )



Sis Do Istikharah :love: :love: :love: :love:

[ys333]

i will post the spec later cw.

[Phoenix CG]

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OR with ^^^ 653£

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52709 with this is 621£

I didnt add keyboard and mouse, i added fast ram , graphics card that is good it can run any game on the market but its not the best, its the monitor that shoots the price up... and aswell tfts do not have refresh rates, so it won't give u a headache. I want a 2 19" tfts cas my 22" crt is starting to get me paranoid about radiation. the case is a nice one, my sis has it, and has another case fan. I thought black would be cool. But you get the idea... (case has powersupply already) My sis has that case and its good imo

Oh u wanted black lol :D well thats all suited, ps all the black crt's where a bit tuty

Keyboard:

Im a lover for logitech:
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Add on 30.58

I added a nvidia Geforce chipset card because i have the one lower then this and i use it for maya 3d application and photoshop and games, no problemos at all and i got 256mb same as yours...but you onse i better 5700...higher clock speed and trust me, i go mad in maya! it will handle most stuff

[ys333]

crts own tft.

tft = expensive, resolution not as high as crt, blurring in games and chance of pixel dieing.

[Phoenix CG]

crts are good yes, but if u do not want brain cancer then hmm or head aches, at games they are clearly better but i dont think CW is like racing in making softwares in c++...lol.

[Phoenix CG]

crts own tft.

tft = expensive, resolution not as high as crt, blurring in games and chance of pixel dieing.

True, we haven't ahd any dead pixels in our tft's so far :) but it can happen due to over heating i would think...and think about space aswell. its personal preference down to cw really.

[ys333]

brain cancer? come on... people have been usin crts for decades theres no harm.

ye for CW tft is ok.

[Crono]

yaallah

go to www.pricewatch.com or www.tigerdirect.com they have the lowest prices, and what exactly you going to use this computer for?...i know how to build them and such i might be abel to help you with soem stuff

the stuff you lsiten in the second post is usely only meant for a BEAST of a machine..and i doubt you really need a BEAST..now do you?...unless your a gamer like me :P

[ys333]

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[ys333]

that should be good enough, you may want a slightly more powerful PSU and you have to add a case but the rest of the spec is fine.

[Crono]

i do really knwo what everyones knowlage abotu compuetrs is...but remebr..when buying thing that are cheap..YOU GET WHAT YOU PAY FOR..soem things..shoudln't be cheap, for instance...video,sound,andnetowkr can all be onborad the motehr borard, that willr educe the price by alot...but that is for a very basic machine, if your a gamer...you want a good video card..that will run you 400$ dollars easly, sound card is never a big deal, network card sare uber cheap

CPU's..good ones, run abour $250ish dollars last time i checked, and depending on what you get..you will need a power supply that can power all the compents.

you need fans..lots of fans, the faster the cpu..the better the fan i always said..fans are cheap..usely between 3-5 dollars

ram..come on..a gig of ram?, wth do you need a whole gig for..i am a gamer..and i do fine on 192mb of ram..you really don't need a gig

harddrive...20gig..easly 20$

speakers...10 dolalrs..radioshak

mouse keyborad...i perosnaly have a generalk electric mouse form 'Big Lots!' that ahs alsted a yera or so, and i have an old WORKING fugly keyborad with buttons missing and what not..but it does jsut fine

i also got a ps2-to-pc adapter so i can use ps2 contorllers for pc games :P

monitor?...those do become pretty expensive...if your goignt ow atch dvds..get plasma..if ntp...get an old crt...15-17 inch shoudl be good

dvd burner makes a cd burner obsolete..you only need one...i prefer cd bruner..sence dvdrw cost about 9 bucks per disc (or so they WERE)

you cna get linux..it';s free

or you can go to *coughcoughisohuntcoughocugh.comcoughcough* and get windows2000 (wow..my throat has been killing me lately)

[Phoenix CG]

can't live without my ram, maya cries for it. and 3ds max aswell. i just put the expensive monitor because u wanted to indulge urself in a 19" one :)

[Phoenix CG]

brain cancer? come on... people have been usin crts for decades theres no harm.

ye for CW tft is ok.

I get headaches now :S, but thats probably because i spend huge hours modelling and designing lol. BTW if u want to model maya ati has issues with maya...

[Crono]

ati pwn nvidia

[Omar]

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[ys333]

gigabyte not as good as asus.

gfx card too expensive. shes not gamer.

case and combo is nice.

rather have dvdrw then cdrw and u missed a few things. the tft is too small aswell.

[Phoenix CG]

true asus are the oldest.
graphics card...true
who are u talking to neway i put a huge tft :O

[Omar]

gigabyte not as good as asus.

gfx card too expensive. shes not gamer.

case and combo is nice.

rather have dvdrw then cdrw and u missed a few things. the tft is too small aswell.

yeah i was tryin to add da others thts da system i made for ma sis but she had da hard drive and stuff :p so didnt have it on there... errr i deleted it now :P

15 inch monitor is enough if ya aint playing games and doin graphics dont bother waisting the extra money on tht.

[Phoenix CG]

ati pwn nvidia

ATI x800 pcie best one ever :D, especially when the sli comes out. But at the moment unfortunately for me its nvidia because of issues with certain designing software.

[ys333]

i have x800 vivo softmodded to xtpe....

default cooler it can do 520/560 all day.

[Phoenix CG]

i have x800 vivo softmodded to xtpe....

default cooler it can do 520/560 all day.

Akhi man :O, are you a gamer? thats pretty high, how much ram and whats your processor :O i need a faster computer for rendering 3d files, Some of them reach 500mb :S and need alot of time to render

[ys333]

ye i play some games. ram is only 1 gb. (corsair xms 3500 at 2337 timings, fsb 227 with 5:4 ram ratio )

cpu is 3.0c at 3.4 rock solid , I need a better cpu fan and a new heatink/fan for my northbridge. inshallah it will then reach 3.6.

[Phoenix CG]

ye i play some games. ram is only 1 gb. (corsair xms 3500 at 2337 timings, fsb 227 with 5:4 ram ratio )

cpu is 3.0c at 3.4 rock solid , I need a better cpu fan and a new heatink/fan for my northbridge. inshallah it will then reach 3.6.

MashaAllah nice rig. Akhi dude what u need that speed for? you a designer or hard core gamer. u play some games...or do video editing or summat?

[ys333]

i encode the odd movie sometimes into xvid, but mostly its just for uni work (little bit of programming, nothin serious), games and p2p.

[seven]

just to add to u guys specs.... i think CW would want a quite cpu cooler... that asaka one looks noisy!

also, unless you have really bad eyesight... a 19" tft to TOOO big!

[Chained_Water]

Assalaamu Alaikum,

Caught up with my beauty sleep last night :D
And now I'm at work.. so haven't had a chance to read anything properly.. will do during my break InshaAllah (right now I'm sneaking on :nervous: )

17" is OK.. 15 too small!

Keep the suggestions coming!

JazakAllah Khair,

Wa alaikum as salaam,
CW

P.S. The most important bit is all the weird stuff that I don't have a clue about CPU fans etc.. RAM DVD/RW even I can buy :p

Its the whole package I'm after, so I can buy all the niggly weird bits I have no clue about.. but you guys seem to know all the ins and outs about.. (some of the posts above looked like a foriegn language to me :p )

[Mr_Jailer]

Hi,

<O:p

I built my own PC ‘bout 10 months. I was committed to buildin’ it due to 2 reasons, I had always wanted to build my own PC (and the learnin’ curve involved) and secondly I had a PC that I was using on daily basis.

<O:p

Here’s my 2 cents if you want to build your own PC:
<O:p

1: When buying parts from the Net, ensure you know the websites returns policy and be prepared to haggle in order to get returns order no. and replacement parts. You may also be expected to return the parts at your own expense in terms of P&P.
<O:p

2: When you buy from the internet be aware of the cost of delivery. Some companies, charge for delivery by weight, and so if u buy a tower, that can weigh a few kg, that could bump the price up and the deal won’t look a bargain after all.
<O:p

3. Compatibility: You need to do background research to ensure the parts you buy are compatible with each other. You don’t want a motherboard with an ‘A-Socket’ designed for P4 processor and heatsink (fan) when you’ve ordered an Athlon XP processor.
<O:p

Likewise, with RAM, you want to know what sticks your MB (motherboard) can contain (the number of slots it has for RAM). Mine has 3 slots, but I’m usin’ 2 * 512MB PC2700 333Mhz sticks.
<O:p

The MB has to be compatible with the tower… like ATX case for <ST1:place <?xml:namespace prefix = st1 ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" /><st1:City>ATX</st1:City> <st1:State>MB</st1:State></ST1:p. Also bear in mind some towers don't come with PSU (Power Supply Unit). If not, then you'll have to invest in one. There's some good PSU's out there.
<O:p

4. You need lots and lots of patience. If you encounter probs, and can’t troubleshoot it instantly, then leave it, go to sleep, forget ‘bout it. Get up the next morn’, you’ll have fresh ideas and the chances you’ll find the solution increase. Its also advisable to have inet access this time too, so you can ask for assistance.
<O:p</O:p

5. If your m/c is runnin’ fine, then you need to have the patience and be dedicated to troubleshoot probs at that time too, and not just durin’ the build. Havin’ a warranty for the parts helps.
<O:p</O:p

6. Windows XP SP2 OS, Spyware detection, prevention (SpySweeper, Spyware Blaster, Dr. Spyware, Search & Destroy, Ad-aware, CounterSpy, MS Anti-Spyware), anti-viral software (Panda Platinum Internet Security 2005), firewall software is a must. You would have to pay for all that, it could set you back a couple of hundred pounds at least, unless you find a loophole in the vendors terms of use.


However, when you’re system is flyin’ as smooth as a Rolls Royce, well protected and shielded copin’ immaculately with the demands of your applications, you can breathe a sigh of relief and congratulate yourself for a sense of accomplishment your effort warrants.

Hopefully this doesn't add to your confusion :D


Actually sis, I would advice you get a ready made from Dell or HP.

Computer nowdays are flimsey things. I once decided to build my own computer, I ordered the parts from e-buyer.com. Some of the parts didnt even work like harddisk and power supply unit, I had to return them and get different ones, the whole process took ages to assemble. unless you are a hardware expert I wouldnt recommend sis.

if you buy a ready made comp, you get the recovery CD with it, anytime your computer messes up, you just put the CD in and your comp is restored within minutes.

not the case with home-made computers..they have no on-site warranty and they always mess up a week before your coursework deadline.

[Zoobz]

Alteranatively, buy a laptop :up:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=6751547622

[Chained_Water]

:freedom: stop trying to flog me your laptops!
You're just sneakily using ummah for advertising :eek2:

[Sultan]

Salaams CW,

Are you sticking to an Athlon 64? If so, Windows 64 should be released very shortly (though if you prefer Linux that won't matter much!).

I'm on the lookout for a good AMD64 PC for my daughter. She is demanding more time on my PC so I need to get her one.

[Chained_Water]

Yes bro.. I am hoping to go for an Athlon 64 if I can find one at a decent price :embar:

I need full specs ready for purchase :crying:

[Crono]

heh, my pc specs are scary..exp for what i use my pc for...here goes...


8gb hardrive
4mb onboard video ati rage pro
533mhz cpu
192mb ram
etherling card
NIC
onboard cyrystal audio
17inch crt
cd rom + floppy
win2k
11.mbit conneciton

yet i can still run UT2k4 among other things + alot of mmorpgs, and Empire Earth..one of the msot resource consumeing games on earth.

i think i need a better pc, i plan on building my own

it will have (get ready):

two 500gb hard drives
dvdrw
524mb ram maby more
4.0ghz processor
vidoe card with at least 512mb video (yes they do exists now)
standard generic sound card
same 11mbit conneciton, same 17inch monitor
it will have win2k,knoppix, and mac operating systems on it
it will have a brach server (the comp i am on now)
and it will be preloaded with all ym games and apps :)
1HD will have linux/windows
the other will have MAc Os emulator
and i will have new cdrom and floppy

yes, i will have a leet beast, i know :P

[Zoobz]

www.scan.co.uk (http://www.scan.co.uk)
www.cclonline.com (http://www.cclonline.com)
https://www2.vip-computers.co.uk/


http://www.voodoopc.com/ exp, but we know you women are fussy over how something should lQQk.


DONT buy Sofware.

Happy shopping

[Phoenix CG]

www.scan.co.uk (http://www.scan.co.uk/)
www.cclonline.com (http://www.cclonline.com/)
https://www2.vip-computers.co.uk/


http://www.voodoopc.com/ exp, but we know you women are fussy over how something should lQQk.


DONT buy Sofware.

Happy shopping

Dude not just women, akhi lol i like voodoo pc they look really nice, especially there laptops. the Computers Well you can buy the cases but not with those funky oclours, well similar cases, but they are nice non-the-less.

[UnenlightenedOne]

Hi Chained,

I am a computer technician. I usually go into a computer shop, pick all of the parts and have them put it togather, put the OS, drivers, burn it in, and deliver it (a local shop will do all that for ~$50-100. It has saved me countless hours of monkeying under the hood (90% of the time everything goes togather just fine).

As for parts, it really depends on what you want the system to be capable of.

If you are using it for animations, video, games, graphics, you want the best video card your money can buy. Such as a Radeon or GForce with at least 128MB of video ram.

If you are playing a lot of music, games, etc, you want a good sound card. I would recommend the Creative Labs Audigy. If you don't care about sound, use the on board sound card.

If you choose to go AMD processors, the Asus A7V8X (this one has been around a while), unless you want to go 64 bits. If you choose Pentium, I would go for an Intel motherboard (since they are made by the same company, some would debate this selection).

Make sure that you aren't buying an MB with on-board graphics capability, and that it has an AGP X4 slot or better, IF YOU INTEND TO UPGRADE YOUR VIDEO CARD.

Mice and keyboards, pick something comfortable, since you will be using it all the time. I use a Microsoft Intellipoint with a scrolling wheel.

Monitor. Since this is your window to the computer, don't skimp. If you are playing high speed, high graphic games, go with an analog CRT (this is recommended for FPS cames like Half Life, etc.). If you are doing desktop application, are pushing for desk space, and don't particularly care about things like 'frame rates over 60FPS) get a 17" LCD. The price mark is about 17", you might be able to find a deal on a 19" for ~$350 if you are lucky and frugal. The LCD generates less heat, cost you less energy, and doesn't spew EMR (electro magnetic radiation) like CRT's do.

GET 512MB RAM or better. 256 is not suffecient for Windows XP to run smoothly.

Hard drive, the key to picking the best hard drive.
#1- RPMS, the faster the RPM's, the better the data transfer rate will be, in general.
#2- Seek time <10ms. 7ms is about the fastest seek time. This is the time it takes to transverse the drive and pick up each file.

Put on Windows XP, Professional is just a bit better and not much more expensive.

Make sure you have Anti-Virus, Anti Spyware.

Windows comes with a firewall, but you have to update it to SP2. Microsoft has an Anti-Spyware application that is currently free.
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/default.mspx

Good luck, Kaph.

[Crono]

Hi Chained,

I am a computer technician. I usually go into a computer shop, pick all of the parts and have them put it togather, put the OS, drivers, burn it in, and deliver it (a local shop will do all that for ~$50-100. It has saved me countless hours of monkeying under the hood (90% of the time everything goes togather just fine).

As for parts, it really depends on what you want the system to be capable of.

If you are using it for animations, video, games, graphics, you want the best video card your money can buy. Such as a Radeon or GForce with at least 128MB of video ram.

If you are playing a lot of music, games, etc, you want a good sound card. I would recommend the Creative Labs Audigy. If you don't care about sound, use the on board sound card.

If you choose to go AMD processors, the Asus A7V8X (this one has been around a while), unless you want to go 64 bits. If you choose Pentium, I would go for an Intel motherboard (since they are made by the same company, some would debate this selection).

Make sure that you aren't buying an MB with on-board graphics capability, and that it has an AGP X4 slot or better, IF YOU INTEND TO UPGRADE YOUR VIDEO CARD.

Mice and keyboards, pick something comfortable, since you will be using it all the time. I use a Microsoft Intellipoint with a scrolling wheel.

Monitor. Since this is your window to the computer, don't skimp. If you are playing high speed, high graphic games, go with an analog CRT (this is recommended for FPS cames like Half Life, etc.). If you are doing desktop application, are pushing for desk space, and don't particularly care about things like 'frame rates over 60FPS) get a 17" LCD. The price mark is about 17", you might be able to find a deal on a 19" for ~$350 if you are lucky and frugal. The LCD generates less heat, cost you less energy, and doesn't spew EMR (electro magnetic radiation) like CRT's do.

GET 512MB RAM or better. 256 is not suffecient for Windows XP to run smoothly.

Hard drive, the key to picking the best hard drive.
#1- RPMS, the faster the RPM's, the better the data transfer rate will be, in general.
#2- Seek time <10ms. 7ms is about the fastest seek time. This is the time it takes to transverse the drive and pick up each file.

Put on Windows XP, Professional is just a bit better and not much more expensive.

Make sure you have Anti-Virus, Anti Spyware.

Windows comes with a firewall, but you have to update it to SP2. Microsoft has an Anti-Spyware application that is currently free.
http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/default.mspx

Good luck, Kaph.

if you feel liek destriyng a pegood pc..get windows xp..if you want a good pc that will actualy RUN...get win2k

xp is more suseptable to viruses and spyware becasue wqith windows XP..THERE IS NO HUMAN INTERVENTION..in it's built in virus scanner and spyware progs and all that...the problem with winxp is...it does everyhting wether you tell it to or not..anbd wether you know it or not

is not os consequence that my mother has to scanner her computer for ill things EVERYDAY..and she is on xp...

i am on win2k..and i don't even have a scanner for anyhting any more..why?..because i simply don't get viruses or anyhting..why?..becasue my computer doesn't do ANYTHING without asking me first

that, plus i have the knolwgae to be able to tell what programs are BS..and what are authentic

or you can gte linux :)

[UnenlightenedOne]

I wish MS provided a tool that would truly HARDEN XP PRO against stupid stuff like trojans and spyware, as well as meddling or fumbly fingers in explorer (deleting key files and folders and such).


However, with a good virus scanner, and MS anti spyware, XP performs better than Win2k (particularly with multi-media or games). If you are just doing desktop work, including graphics and in particular Autocad, Win2k is better. In my opinion.

[ys333]

xp has no built in virus scanner or anti spyware. you can make it run just like 2k and look like 2k if you know how to. (bit of difference of course but it can be customised alot).


the most popular os will always be the most prone to attacks.

[Zoobz]

anyone had any experiences with this new ms antispyware thing?

http://www.microsoft.com/athome/security/spyware/software/default.mspx

[ys333]

never tried it.

my anti spyware:

adaware 6 se
spybot s&d
cwshredder
hijackthis
tds3
analog x script defender

good advice would be to lock down the registry by using filechecker or processguard. and to use a power user account as your main account.

and dont call your administrator account administrator.

call your guest account administrator...

[Crono]

no..i have had too much abd crap with xp..it is jsut plaine bad...i have games that don't run on xp..but run fine on 2k aswell

and linux is the msot populat software..and ti has absoulutly 0 ZERO (0) viruses at the moment

how is that for security?

if more games ran on linux..i woudl use linux

[ys333]

most peoples experiences have been alright m8.

if linux was popular in the home as XP it would have just as much viruses tbh.

i have used slackware, its far too unfriendly for your average user. i Know theres distros like mandrake but alot of stuff dont work and people dont want to get used to a new system.

[Chained_Water]

~ahem~

Well yes, it's that time of the month again where CW hopelessly *thinks* about buying a computer again.

Where I'm at now: Umm, well the same place I was when I created the first version of this thread.. I've been put off making it myself, kinda scary and too much hassle.

But today I found this, which looks promising.

<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 align=center border=1><TBODY><TR bgColor=#3399ff><TD width=370 colSpan=2>Matrix Inspire (0505) </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#99ccff><TD colSpan=2>(Base Price: £ 424.68 ex VAT) </TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Case:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Micro ATX Mini-Tower with tool free access</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Operating System:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Microsoft® Windows® XP Home Edition</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Motherboard Features:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>ASUS K8V-MX Athlon 64 Mainboard - 1600MHz SB, 2x IEEE 1394, LAN, 2x SATA</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Processor:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Upgrade to AMD Athlon 64 3200+ at £30</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Memory:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>256MB PC3200 DDR Memory 400MHz</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Hard Drives:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Upgrade to 160GB Serial ATA (150MB/s) Ultra Fast Hard Drive at £15</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Video Card:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Advanced 2D/3D Graphics (on-board) (non-DVI)</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Monitor 1:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>17'' TFT Flat Panel LCD Monitor (Analogue) at £25</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Optical Drives:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>52x32x52x16 CD-RW/DVD-ROM Combo Drive</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Sound:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Onboard 5.1 Surround Sound 6 Channel Audio</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Speakers:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Creative Soundblaster SBS260 Speakers</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Modem:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>56kbps V92 Modem, featuring data and fax.</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Keyboard & Mouse:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Logitech Internet Keyboard & Optical Mouse (Black)</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Video Editing:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Pinnacle Studio 9 SE (OEM)</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Software:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Microsoft® Works® 8.0</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Warranty:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>3 Years - Parts & Labour - Back-to-Base Warranty (Mainland UK only - Terms Apply)</TD></TR><TR><TD vAlign=top align=right bgColor=#cee7ff>Delivery:</TD><TD bgColor=#cee7ff>Insured Del within Mainland UK (+ £39) at £39</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#99ccff><TD colSpan=2>Price Excluding VAT: £ 533.68

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#3399ff><TD colSpan=2>Price Including VAT + DEL: £ 627.07
</TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>
<TABLE cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=4 align=center border=1><TBODY><TR bgColor=#3399ff><TD width=370 colSpan=2>Quantity Required : 1 </TD></TR><TR bgColor=#cee7ff><TD colSpan=2>Price Excluding VAT: £ 533.68

</TD></TR><TR bgColor=#99ccff><TD colSpan=2>Price Including VAT & DEL: £ 627.07
Please ensure that you have included delivery in your specification </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

[Chained_Water]

*hangs her head in shame at not having sorted this out yet*

[simmy]

lol, aww, your funny CW :D

[simmy]

it don't look at that considering the budget you mentioned


first of all its a cdrw/dvd rom combo drive, which you'd rather want a dvd writer

your graphics card is on board(i think), didn't you not want that?

[Chained_Water]

:crying: are you mocking me?

I'm very sensitive right now.. Not having a good time.

My mum was trying to make a doctors appointment in the morning.. but I was ~ahem~ logged on to the internet and again hogging the phoneline..

My dad flipped.. big time!

The annoying thing is, whenever this happens, its at a time when I've just logged on and haven't even been online for a long time.. yet they need to use the phone at the exact same time, or try to call the house at the exact same time and so it looks like I'm always on during the day from home..

But I'm NOT.. I'm always on from work (like now).. or at night when everyone's asleep.. But I sometimes pop on when I'm at home during the day, and they always manage to catch me online at those times..

Oh who am I kidding.. I'm always on ummah and I'm in trouble.

My dad is REALLY not happy. :nervous:

[Chained_Water]

your graphics card is on board(i think), didn't you not want that?

Ooops.. I meant to change that :embar:

Not much bothered about the DVDRW

[simmy]

:crying: are you mocking me?

I'm very sensitive right now.. Not having a good time.

My mum was trying to make a doctors appointment in the morning.. but I was ~ahem~ logged on to the internet and again hogging the phoneline..

My dad flipped.. big time!

The annoying thing is, whenever this happens, its at a time when I've just logged on and haven't even been online for a long time.. yet they need to use the phone at the exact same time, or try to call the house at the exact same time and so it looks like I'm always on during the day from home..

But I'm NOT.. I'm always on from work (like now).. or at night when everyone's asleep.. But I sometimes pop on when I'm at home during the day, and they always manage to catch me online at those times..

Oh who am I kidding.. I'm always on ummah and I'm in trouble.

My dad is REALLY not happy. :nervous:

aww, oopsie, you need to get broadband really fast, i'm sure its almost the same price as what you paying now anyway. check telewest/blueyonder prices.

Spec looks alright, but I'm sure the techie bro's on here will convince you building it yourself again :p

inshaAllah they'll be fine when you get back:)

BTW for everyone else, I saw broadband for bt line people in the metro at 9.99 for 512 unlimited, arrghhh, i just started one for 17.99 and thought I got a good deal.
www.ukonline.net/utlimate (http://www.ukonline.net/utlimate)

[Chained_Water]

~ahem~ when I get back?

My dad said he wants me to take the computer out of my room and put it in the front room when I get back from work, lol.

He thinks I can carry that thing on my own?! Yeh like that's gonna happen.

But I will remove the extension for the phoneline if he asks why I haven't done anything about the computer. ..so that way I can't access internet from home.. so no more CW for a while maybe :(

I need to get married.

[Phoenix CG]

simmy, it might be capped ;) thats why the cheap price, but depends on what you use the net for...

And cw, i would definately put mroe ram, its a must, i would compromise the hard drive space for more ram, atlaest 512mb ddr in my opinion. so u want a desktop for sure then...? alrity then, i gotta go somewhere so i'll reply properly later lol inshaAllah

[Chained_Water]

Ugh.. I'm hopeless!

I just can't find a decent deal :( ..that's ideal for me..

And building it sounds like a mission.. buying all the right parts that are compatible with each other and then figuring out how to put it together :crying:

Can someone :help: me?

[simmy]

~ahem~ when I get back?

My dad said he wants me to take the computer out of my room and put it in the front room when I get back from work, lol.

He thinks I can carry that thing on my own?! Yeh like that's gonna happen.

But I will remove the extension for the phoneline if he asks why I haven't done anything about the computer. ..so that way I can't access internet from home.. so no more CW for a while maybe :(

I need to get married.


Ooops, just tell them, you'll sort the broadband out and that its almost teh same price, that way they'll have the phone line available

[Chained_Water]

Ooops, just tell them, you'll sort the broadband out and that its almost teh same price, that way they'll have the phone line available
:nervous:

Telewest as good as AOL though, in terms of speed and prices.

But I have no choice really.

Do dua that my dad chills out :p

[simmy]

:nervous:

Telewest as good as AOL though, in terms of speed and prices.

But I have no choice really.

Do dua that my dad chills out :p

i think your first priority is not getting in there way so any speed of connection will do, i think the cheapest on telewest is 15 for 256, which is still 5 times faster.

InshaAllah everything will be fine when you get home :)

[Chained_Water]

InshaAllah.. thanks simmy :)

[Chained_Water]

BTW for everyone else, I saw broadband for bt line people in the metro at 9.99 for 512 unlimited, arrghhh, i just started one for 17.99 and thought I got a good deal.
www.ukonline.net/utlimate (http://www.ukonline.net/utlimate)

You should add that to your thread :D

[simmy]

You should add that to your thread :D

tuh-nuh, why not *goes to his thread*

[Phoenix CG]

okay how about, juding by those specs you posted, tonight when i get back (in coll rit enow) i'll post all the info about it, and how to build it...and the components that you need with the prices on it...and we shall see if its worth it, etc etc

[Chained_Water]

okay how about, juding by those specs you posted, tonight when i get back (in coll rit enow) i'll post all the info about it, and how to build it...and the components that you need with the prices on it...and we shall see if its worth it, etc etc

:love: Aww, lil bro you're the lovliest

Jazak Allah Khair :D

[mtsmallick]

Bismiallah Ir-rahman Ir-rahim

My honest suggestion is as follows:

Processor: Intel Pentium 2.8 GHz or 3.0 GHz with 1 MB L2 Cache; 800 MHz Bus

Motherboard: Intel D865GBFNL with Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics and Audio on board with Intel Network Interface card.

Memory: 1.0 GB atleast (Kingston 400 MHz Bus DDR)

Floppy Drive: 1.44MB (3.5") Floppy drive (Sony/Panasonic)

Hard Drive: 80.0/120.0/160.0 GB of Seagate SATA Hard drive

DVD/CD-R/RW: Sony Combo

Casing/Chasis: What ever brand but will support Intet Hperthread Heat sink standards.

Monitor: Can buy 15"/17" TFT but they are expensive, if buy CRT, then buy 19"/21" Philips/Viewsonic.

Keyboard: Go for logitech or Microsoft

Mouse: Optical

for Internet, if you are using Broadband or DSL, its upto your service provider, but i suggest buy from D-Link or US Robbotics.

WebCam: Creative or Logitech

UPS: Go for APC

These are mine fair suggestions, i hope its all fit in yours budget.

Thanks





no problem :)
yeh ebuyer is cheapest :)

What u need is:

RAM 1G
CPU AMD Athlon 64
MOTHERBOARD errr.. :confused:
GRAPHICS CARD umm, I hear GeForce is good? or Radeon(is that what its called)?
TOWER/CASE nice and black
MONITOR 17" or 19" TFT please
MOUSE optical is a must.. but I would love a cordless mouse+keyboard, but don't want to spend too much..
KEYBOARD should look nice and match with everything
NETWORK CARD (UNLESS IN BUILT ON MOBO) err.. :confused:
SPEAKERS well, I dunno, just speakers that match with everything I guess
power supple err.. :confused:
CPU FAN BIG err.. :confused:
Case fan (to keep it all cool) err again.. :confused:
Hard drive (sata is faster) 140 or 160 would be nice :D
DVD RW (i use that alot now for back ups) just anything thats good
CD RW (if u want two dvd rw's normally rw can copy cd's too, but i prefer having more drives cas im lazy) don't really want one if DVD RW does the job and I have a big HD
cables for inside the box, if there oem purchases. err.. :confused:
i'd like a £3 floppy off ebuyer too maybe :p

windows cd unless u got ur own :P we all get em from pakistan :P lol

[Phoenix CG]

Alrite lets get this done before, i start messing around with the server n network...

Okay, So to choose the system, for obviously reasoning i would choose an amd 64, this is because when 64bit applications come out, your computer will be able to use them, so your system will last alot longer then a pentium 4 with ht, currently 32 bit.

Now I would say just use one supplier, which i would use, would be ebuyer or aria. Ebuyer is the cheapest i have so far found, sometimes they may send a faulty item, if so just use the rma. But it should be fine, i havent had a problem with them for a long time.

First we will choose the cpu and motherboard

So the cpu I have chosen for this is the 3200 amd xp 64bit, with socket 754, this means you will need a socket 754 motherboard...it is retail so it comes with a cpu fan :)
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6773983976&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62704

Now for the motherboard:
I have an MSI motherboard and it supports overclocking, so if you later on want to speed up your computer, you can use the bios to make ur cpu fsb faster, and increasing the total GHz of your CPU. MSI is cheaper then the other boards, and bundle more into it. This has 2 firewire, and 8 usb's which is quite alot...and its a nice colour :p http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6774172412&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=52178

So far it has come up to 126ish, includign vat and delivery

Now I would say to add the RAM and the GRAPHICS CARD:

RAM:

For your system as you are a itno programming i assume, you won't require vasts amounts of ram, as i doubt you will play games at maximum settings, but i will reccomend 512mb ddr ram minimum, so i'd sayjust go for the 512mb, 1gb is minimum if you require to use it for graphics intensive use...As the motherboard supports 3200 ram, i reccomend going for the kingston ram, they are a nice brand and are cheap :)
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6774362198&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X3Jldmlld3M=&product_uid=49294

Graphics Card:

Like earlier mentioned, you won't be playing intense games, So i would reccomend, personally nvidia based card, this is because i personally prefer it as it is fully compatible with maya, whilst ATI have some problems. People will argue which card is better, but in the end it's not going to be used for games, although the card i will reccomend can probably handle most of the things you throw at it.
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6774571999&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=88244
That is the nvidia 5500, my friend has it and he does play alot of games that require good graphics cards so it can handle nething u at the moment. it has 256mb ram also, you can opt for less, but this is easily changable.

The current Price is now: 258.59


Next I will say is to choose the hard drive, floppy and cd/dvd.

Hard drive:
As your motherboard supports SATA i reccomend this, it is alot faster then normal ata 133, I would say around 120gb would be nice, this is easily upgradable in the future, Oh yes i forgot to mention your motherboard supports 3gb ram so u can add more ram also. :). So yeh, the hard drive, meh go for 160gb, we can decrease it if the price is too high:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6774738278&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=57070
I chose maxtor, because i have a maxtor and we also have a western digital and the maxtor is actually better, the western digital had some problems with it.

Floppy will be anyold one, im assuming black as you would probly want a nice slick system:

http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6774864565&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=62047

Personally i no longer use floppy, but thats cheap.

Next up is the DVD/CD or whatever you want:
Personally i would say get a dvdrw that can burn cd's also and read dvds, as you may want to back up your work lateron onto a large medium, such as a dvd disc, they have fallen in price lately also, aswell you now get softwares on dvd so u probly want to be able to read those, and not get stuck in the old times.
I chose this black nec one:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=83151

Does all you need and its dual layer :D and its cheap.

So far the total is : 364ish

Next up is the case :D
So i would say get a case which is black obviously :p with a power supply already...I reccomend this case because it is, made by antec, it will be very cool and it doesnt need screws, so you it will be easier when you building it...slightly :p
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6775044700&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=72294
it comes with 350wattpsu so its suffiecient. It also has fans inbuilt so your system will run nice and cool :).

Price Sofar is 409.39

Now we shall go shopping for the monitor :D
Well as you are a mod, you deserve a good sharp screen so I'll take my time on checking which ones are a good one :). 17" will be suffiecient? as you posted in the previous build. here is a black one: the resolution is sufficient @ 1280 max http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6775168564&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=82760

The reviews say it is sharp image quality :) tehre are others for more, but tell me what you think about that one, we will look at the budget inshaAllah.

So far it is 570, with only a few more items to go

We will now look at keyboard mouse, and speakers

The keyboard and mouse i recommend is logitech, i have logitech mouse and its amazing, and it will be nice in black, i dont know if you want wired or wireless tho, but the dell one looks wired...
I chose a wireless bundle logitech:
http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6775370797&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=80862

The only problem is batteries, in keyboard they last a very long time, in mouse maybe a month or so usage...but rechargables batteries will solve that.

And speakers:
I'm assuming ur not a headbanger or some person that puts on things really loud :p so a pair of normal speakers would do...black again to suit the nice finish...i saw the sbs260's with the dell they are a bit ugly, so go for something a bit more stylish...me being a logitech fan, i have logitech 560's which are very very good quality, and they look nicer then the creatives i thought these flat panels are nice, and they will go loud enough. http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?rb=6775546620&action=c2hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=74746

So i believe that sums it up :) the total is now:

617.22 with delivery and look at all the additions we put in, alot faster system, more stylish, wireless keyboard and mouse...a cool system, better graphics card by waaaaaaaaay far, lol that one is inbuilt too, oh yeh fyi inbuilt gpus such as intel often have problems with linux, so another good reason for a proper gpu. So thats the price, oh yes and dvd rw lol...which the dell lacks also. Windows won't be a problem ;) or other applications.

Grand total in vat and delivery: 617.22

So there you have it, a better system for less...and if you want you can downgrade some of the components to lower the price even more :). I'll show images in the next post of the system...and how to build it later on also.

Salaam 4 now

[Phoenix CG]

pic of the order

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:crying: are you mocking me?

I'm very sensitive right now.. Not having a good time.

My mum was trying to make a doctors appointment in the morning.. but I was ~ahem~ logged on to the internet and again hogging the phoneline..

My dad flipped.. big time!

The annoying thing is, whenever this happens, its at a time when I've just logged on and haven't even been online for a long time.. yet they need to use the phone at the exact same time, or try to call the house at the exact same time and so it looks like I'm always on during the day from home..

But I'm NOT.. I'm always on from work (like now).. or at night when everyone's asleep.. But I sometimes pop on when I'm at home during the day, and they always manage to catch me online at those times..

Oh who am I kidding.. I'm always on ummah and I'm in trouble.

My dad is REALLY not happy. :nervous:


Oh SubhanAllah, I can so related to this. The same used to happen to me all the time thats like when I was 18, I just couldnt take it and got my own phone line.

The worse thing was other people, once or twice they might have called when phone was busy.. lol after that all our relatives and friends wouldnt even bother calling and just say 'oh ur internet was on' ... so annoying that was. I totally feel for you sis.

just get broadband.. even if its some cheapy one.

When your dad comes home, just makesure your in the kitchen making rotian and not in your room. :)

[Phoenix CG]

of the system

[Phoenix CG]

we have cable 1mb:

http://www.telewest.co.uk/websales/service.do?id=2
Personally i prefer cable because no hassle with the adsl, but adsl upload speeds are faster, but there billing i think is slightly more complicated, with some fre talking rubbish i dunno...cable for me tho :D

[Phoenix CG]

Jazak Allah Khair :D

waiyaaki lol, tell me if thats alrite up there ^^^, and if its all cool i'll start on explaining the building process inshaAllah :)

[Chained_Water]

waiyaaki lol, tell me if thats alrite up there ^^^, and if its all cool i'll start on explaining the building process inshaAllah :)

:eek: That looks great!

:D Yaaay, you made my year :D

:love: You're the bestest wonderfulest nicest sweetest kindest and lovliest lil brother ever :love:

:jkk: :love:

:D ..So shall I order it? I'd have to order it at work (can't log on at home :crying: )

Btw, I couldn't check out the links (they're dead for me for some reason) ..but I read your whole description post and looked at the pics you attached and from that it all seems ace :D

Everybody rep Pheonix now :banan:

[Ebony]

Everybody rep Pheonix now :banan:

Subliminal messaging...?

[simmy]

Everybody rep Pheonix now :banan:

already done it yday :p

He's tempted me to buying it too

[Chained_Water]

Subliminal messaging...?
:D ..nope, no need to hide the message..

REP the boy NOW


Hmm, sis Ebs, I suddenly feel the urge to rep you.. you weren't using ~ahem~ were you?

[Ebony]

:D ..nope, no need to hide the message..

REP the boy NOW


Hmm, sis Ebs, I suddenly feel the urge to rep you.. you weren't using ~ahem~ were you?

;)

[Phoenix CG]

lol walaikumsalam,

waiyaaki, no problemo :p, I'll post how to build it when i get home, im in thingy rite now...

[Chained_Water]

Ok, I'm still a little nervous here so I need you to reassure me about this :nervous: . I'll put it through now, whats the warranty like on these parts? Is it the same for all of them or does it vary between the different parts. :nervous:

[Chained_Water]

Assalaamu Alaykum,

Phoenix I tried to add the items to the cart but the case and the speakers are not available/discontinued :crying:. Can you choose some other ones for me please? The pic shows you what I've got in there so far. :jkk: again