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AbuMubarak
04-07-02, 12:50 PM
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah



Fatwaa from “Al-Masaa’il ul-Maardeeniyyah”

Translated by Aboo `Abdillaah Muhammad al-Jibaalee

Hudaa, November 1995




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May a father force his virgin daughter who attained puberty to marry? Two well-known opinions in this regard are reported from Ahmad:



That he may compel her. This is also the opinion of Maalik, ash-Shaafi`ee, and others.
That he may not. This is also the opinion of Aboo Haneefah and others, and is the correct one.

People have differed as tot he reason permitting the compulsion: whether it is virginity, the daughter being under-aged, or a combination of both. The closest opinion to the truth is her being under-aged, whereas no one can compel a grown-up virgin in marriage. Aboo Hurayrah, radhiallahu `anhu reported that the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, said:



"A non-virgin woman may not be married without her command, and a virgin may not be married without her permission; and enough permission for her is to remain silent (because of her natural shyness)." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]



Thus the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, prohibits forcing a virgin in marriage without her permission, whether it be her father or someone else. Furthermore, `Aa'ishah, radhiallahu `anhaa, said that she asked the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, "In the case of a young girl whose parents marry her, should her permission be sought or not?" He replied, "Yes, she must give her permission." She then said, "But a virgin will be shy, O Allaah’s Messenger." He answered:



"Her silence is [considered as] her permission." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]



This applies to the father as well as others. Furthermore, Islaam does not give the father the right to use any of her wealth without her permission, how then could he be allowed to decide, without her permission, how her body (which is more important than her wealth) is to be used, specially when she disagrees to that and is mature to decide for herself?



Also, there is evidence and concensus in Islaam to restrict an underage person’s free control of his wealth or person. However, to make a virginity a reason for the restriction contradicts the Islaamic basis.



As for the difference between the non-virgin and virgin in the hadeeth of the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, it is not a differentiation between compulsion and non-compulsion; the difference between the two cases is that (a) the former gives her instructions for the marriage whereas the latter gives permission, and that (b) the virgin’s silence counts as a permission. The reason for this is that a virgin would be shy to discuss the matter of marriage, so she is not proposed to directly; rather, her walee (guardian) is approached, he takes her permission, and then she gives him the permission not the command to marry her.



And as for a non-virgin, she would not have the shyness of virginity anymore; thus she can discuss the matter of her marriage, she can be proposed to, and she gives the command to her walee to perform the marriage, and he must obey her.



Thus the walee is command-executor in the case of the non-virgin, and is permission-seeker in the case of the virgin. This is what the Prophet's words indicate. As for compelling her to marry despite her loathing to do so, this would contradict the fundamentals and reason. Allaah ta`ala did not permit a walee to force her to sell or rent her property without her permission. Neither did He permit him to force her to eat or drink or wear that which she does not wish. How would He then oblige her to accompany and copulate with a person whose company she hates - at the time when Allaah ta`ala has sent between the two spouses love and mercy? If such company happens despite her hatred and repulsion, where is the love and mercy?




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The young lady is not to be forced to marry a man

she does not want to marry

Shaykh Ibn Baaz



Fataawa al-Mar.ah




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Question: Is it allowed for a father to force his daughter to marry a specific man that she does not want to many?

Response: Neither the father nor anyone other than the father may force a woman who is under his guardianship to marry a man that she does not want to many. In fact, her permission must be sought. The Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) said:

((The non-virgin [without a husband] must not be married until she is consulted. A virgin must not be married until her permission is sought)).

They said: "O Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) how is her permission given?" He said:

((By her being silent)).

Another narration states:

((Her silence is her permission)).

Yet a third narration states:

((A virgin's father seeks her permission and her permission is her remaining silent)).

The father must seek her permission if she is nine years of age or above. Similarly, her other guardians may not marry her off except by her permission. This is obligatory upon all of them. If one is married without permission, then the marriage is not valid. This is because one of the conditions of the marriage is that both partners accept the marriage. If she is married without her permission, by threat or coercion, then the marriage is not valid.

The only exception is in the case of the father and his daughter who is less than nine years of age. There is no harm if he gets her married while she is less than nine years old, according to the correct opinion. This is based on the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) marrying ‘Aa.ishah without her consent when she was less than nine years old, as is stated in authentic hadeeth. However, if she is nine years old or more, she cannot be married, even by her father, except with her consent.

The husband should not approach the woman if he knows that she does not want him, even if the father approves of it. He must fear Allaah and not approach any wife that did not want him even if her father claims that he did not coerce her. He must avoid what Allaah has forbidden for him. This is because the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu `alayhe wa sallam) ordered that her permission must be sought. We also advise the woman to fear Allaah and to accept the man if her father finds that he is suitable to marry her, as long as the prospective groom is good in his religion and character. This is true even if the one who is doing the marrying is not the girl's father [but her legal guardian]. We make this advice because there is lots of good and lot of benefits in marriage.

Also, there are lots of hazards in living as a maiden. I advise all young ladies to accept those men who come to them if they are qualified. They should not use schooling, teaching or other causes as an excuse to avoid marriage.


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Woman’s right to refuse marriage to someone

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid



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Question:



I have a question for my friend. She is 17 years old and they just moved here from their home country and her guardians and mom want her to marry her cousin who lived in their same house back home but this girl really refuses to marry him because she dislikes for some reason and she is begging and crying in front of her mother not to make her marry him. This girl is saying she will not be happy with him

My question is does any girl have the RIGHT to say no for her marriage if she does not like the man? This girl is Islamic and going to school and she doesn't know anybody to talk to but she really doesn’t want to marry him and her mother is utterly pressuring her by telling her she will die and she will be destroyed if she doesn’t marry this guy and her mother is telling her that nobody will marry her because she is not beautiful and rich.

Sorry it was long question but please reply me as soon as possible.



Answer:



Al-hamdu lillah (praise be to Allah). This situation about which this sister is asking is a common one and occurs often as a result of a clash of desires between parents and their daughter. It could be for a benefit or interest the mother or father sees and the young woman doesn’t, and each regards the issue from a different perspective or with a particular consideration. And perhaps the opinion of the parents is the appropriate and correct one as a result of their prior trials and longer experience in life, and perhaps the woman sometimes looks to the appearance of the groom more than anything else, whereas the parents may look to other considerations, such as his family status, or his long-term career or employment. Of course none of this means that the woman’s opinion isn’t sometimes more correct and preferable, particularly when the opinion of the parents stems from a benefit they may realize if the marriage is accomplished, and they do not actually make the priority their daughter who is the most important thing in this issue. And while being vigilant in advising you of the importance of obeying one’s parents and struggling with oneself to realize their wishes and desires and giving their opinion the priority, the point must clearly be made that the following two hadeeth from the Prophet (peace be upon him) must be abided by and carried out, as within them are the complete answer to your question and questions from others in similar situations:



The first hadeeth:



If he whose character and deen (practice of religion) pleases you, approaches you in marriage, then marry him, for if you don’t, their will be fitna in the land and vast corruption. (Tirmidhi and others, see Sunan Tirmidhi #1085 and it is hassan (reliable) as per Sahih ul-Jaami’ #270). (“fitna” here can be understood to refer to the temptation for fornication, enmity and the cutting off of relations among the people and relatives, and the spreading of hatred)



The second:



Buraida (may Allah be pleased with him) said that a young woman came to the Prophet (peace be upon him) and said, “My father married me to his brother’s son (i.e. her cousin) in order to raise his standing among the people,” so the Prophet (peace be upon him) put the matter in her hands (i.e. asserted that the validity of the marriage is conditioned on her approval and negated by her refusal). So she said, “I authorize and endorse what he has done but I wanted women to know that fathers cannot force their will in these matters.”



And it was narrated by Nisaa’I via Abdullah ibn Buraida via Aa’isha that a young woman came to her and said, “My father married me to his brother’s son in order to raise his standing among the people and I am unwilling (to agree to it)”, so she said, “Sit until the Prophet (peace be upon him) comes.” So the Prophet (peace be upon him) came and she informed him of the situation, so he sent for her father and invited him (over) and asserted that the matter is in the bride’s hands. So she said, “Oh Prophet of Allah I have authorized and endorsed what my father has done, but I wanted to know if women had a say in the matter or not.” (Sunan al-Nisaa’I, Kitaab al-Nikaah min Sunanihi and it is sahih).



I ask Allah for you success and guidance to that in which there is blessings for you and your family, and may the peace and blessings of Allah be upon our Prophet Muhammad.



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Parents forcing their daughter into a marriage

Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid



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Question:



I am muslim. I have to ask a question about my friend who is being forced to marry someone by her parents. She wanted to marry someone else. The guy who she is being forced to marry is more educated and wealthy than the one who she wanted to marry. Her parents has disapproved of her choice and they are forcing her to marry that guy. The guy who she likes is also muslim and very much devoted into islam. But just because the society would not talk about them they don't like the guy who she loves. Any suggestions??



Answer:



Praise be to Allaah.



It is not permissible for a woman to be made to marry someone she does not want. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “A previously-married woman should not be married without being consulted, and a virgin should not be married without asking her permission.” They said, “O Messenger of Allaah, how is her permission given?” He said, “By her silence.” (Reported by al-Bukhaari, 6455).



‘Aa’ishah reported that a girl came to her and said, “My father married me to his brother’s son in order to raise his social standing, and I did not want this marriage [I was forced into it].” ‘Aa’ishah said, “Sit here until the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) comes. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) came and she told him about the girl. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent for her father, then he gave the girl the choice of what to do. She said, “O Messenger of Allaah, I have accepted what my father did, but I wanted to prove something to other women.” (Reported by al-Nisaa’i, 3217).



So, both the guardian and the woman must agree to the marriage. With regard to your request for our advice regarding the problem mentioned in the question, so long as this marriage has taken place, it is better for the woman to try to keep it going as much as she can, and to try to accept this husband. She should seek reward through pleasing her parents and also try to reform her husband through a gentle approach and praying for guidance for him. And Allaah is the Source of Strength.



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Ebony
16-11-03, 12:09 PM
Forced Marriage
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah

May a father force his virgin daughter who attained puberty to marry?

Two well-known opinions in this regard are reported from Ahmad:

That he may compel her. This is also the opinion of Maalik, ash-Shaafi`ee, and others. That he may not. This is also the opinion of Aboo Haneefah and others, and is the correct one.

People have differed as tot he reason permitting the compulsion: whether it is virginity, the daughter being under-aged, or a combination of both. The closest opinion to the truth is her being under-aged, whereas no one can compel a grown-up virgin in marriage. Aboo Hurayrah, radhiallahu `anhu reported that the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, said:

"A non-virgin woman may not be married without her command, and a virgin may not be married without her permission; and enough permission for her is to remain silent (because of her natural shyness)." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]

Thus the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, prohibits forcing a virgin in marriage without her permission, whether it be her father or someone else. Furthermore, `Aa';ishah, radhiallahu `anhaa, said that she asked the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, "In the case of a young girl whose parents marry her, should her permission be sought or not?" He replied, "Yes, she must give her permission." She then said, "But a virgin will be shy, O Allaah’s Messenger." He answered:

"Her silence is [considered as] her permission." [Al-Bukhaaree, Muslim, and others]

This applies to the father as well as others. Furthermore, Islaam does not give the father the right to use any of her wealth without her permission, how then could he be allowed to decide, without her permission, how her body (which is more important than her wealth) is to be used, specially when she disagrees to that and is mature to decide for herself?

Also, there is evidence and concensus in Islaam to restrict an underage person’s free control of his wealth or person. However, to make a virginity a reason for the restriction contradicts the Islaamic basis.

As for the difference between the non-virgin and virgin in the hadeeth of the Prophet, sallallahu `alaihi wa sallam, it is not a differentiation between compulsion and non-compulsion; the difference between the two cases is that (a) the former gives her instructions for the marriage whereas the latter gives permission, and that (b) the virgin’s silence counts as a permission. The reason for this is that a virgin would be shy to discuss the matter of marriage, so she is not proposed to directly; rather, her walee (guardian) is approached, he takes her permission, and then she gives him the permission not the command to marry her.

And as for a non-virgin, she would not have the shyness of virginity anymore; thus she can discuss the matter of her marriage, she can be proposed to, and she gives the command to her walee to perform the marriage, and he must obey her.

Thus the walee is command-executor in the case of the non-virgin, and is permission-seeker in the case of the virgin. This is what the Prophet's words indicate. As for compelling her to marry despite her loathing to do so, this would contradict the fundamentals and reason. Allaah ta`ala did not permit a walee to force her to sell or rent her property without her permission. Neither did He permit him to force her to eat or drink or wear that which she does not wish.

How would He then oblige her to accompany and copulate with a person whose company she hates - at the time when Allaah ta`ala has sent between the two spouses love and mercy? If such company happens despite her hatred and repulsion, where is the love and mercy? .

Translated by Aboo `Abdillaah Muhammad al-Jibaalee

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Rosie
28-11-03, 01:39 PM
ATLEAST NOW I CAN GIV MY PARENTS PROOF THAT THEY SHOULD NOT FORCE ME TO GET MARRIED.. VERY USEFUL INFORMATION.

THANKYOU.

ALISHBA
02-12-03, 12:16 PM
do you think boys have more choice in who they wanna marry then girls????

ze leetle elper
02-12-03, 12:37 PM
Well based on personal experience I would probably say the general consensus states YES.

But then again I just saw a programme on forced marriages in males.

ALISHBA
02-12-03, 12:42 PM
yeah but weneva a boy brings home his girlfriend the parents evetuallt agree but wen a girl does dat t like hells bin broken thru y's dat

abaleada
02-12-03, 04:57 PM
From the perspective of Islamic shari`ah, it is easier for a woman to be married off in circumstances that a.) don't suit her and/or b.) don't please her. A woman doesn't necessarily have to be displeased with a marriage that doesn't suit her in order for it to not suit her. Plenty of cultures so accustom women to going along with whattheir amily wants and what is expected of them in society that they don't consider that they have individual needs that are separate from those of their families. Women need to be loved, supported, treated with respect and dignity, praied, thanked, appreciated. They need to be able to complete their wajibat in an environment where it is possible to do so. They need to be able to do as much nawafil as is appropriate for themto be spiritually fulfilled. And when a family gets together with their babies in tow and arrange to have Hamid married to Hawwa because Abu Hamid has a jewellry business and Ammhi Hawwa heads up a team of lawyers, no-one is thinking about the needs of this young woman when she grows up and has to deal with her own needs. When Fatimah's dad brings in a string of clean-shaven rich medical students from noble families who party with the girls on the week-ends, by that time Fatimah has already been acculturated to pick the one that she knows will please her daddy the most and live with the consequences.

That's not Islam.

That's culture.

That culture goes against the teachings of Islam in that the woman is not treated as an individual, but as a freckle that exists on the skin of society which people smear with lemon juice in an attempt to pale it out an make it more convenient to the skin.

nam
03-12-03, 11:57 PM
Sallaam

I think it depends on what culture you are in and what the viewpoint of the parents is. Generally though i think it may be easier for males, however, this is changing. Once again, it depends on what the parents are liek.

ALlah HAfiz

TNAm ("We are all inadequate in one way or another, strive for perfection" Ban 05/12/03)

Lateafha
04-12-03, 12:02 AM
Originally posted by nam


I think it depends on what culture you are in and what the viewpoint of the parents is.
ALlah HAfiz

I agree nam,

it depends on what the parents are like, and who the actual person you bring is :p

if you bring a Rock-kid to your parents and they dis-approve and your brother brings a good muslimah, than you should not be surprised:D

Ayah
04-12-03, 12:26 AM
lol @ "rock-kid"

~Ayah

ze leetle elper
04-12-03, 12:29 PM
Originally posted by LATEAFHA
if you bring a Rock-kid to your parents and they dis-approve and your brother brings a good muslimah, than you should not be surprised:D

What is quite sad to see, is that in some cases the brother bringing the 'good muslimah' is actually turned away.

The parents are too modern/ shes too plain/ they are not religious.

Consider the reason why most people marry who they do in the first place.
Consider what parents look for in future son/ daughter- in-laws.

Living in such a materialistic society, they want what is 'best' for the child: which to them means, big house, nice car, loadsa money, tall, dark and handsome- hey if he looks like a bollywood actor even better. ( :vomit: @ Bolly )

Its a wonder why there are usually so many disagreements about marriage nowadays.

'It is a mystery of generation that although it is the old that teach the young, it is the young who improve the old.'

outlandish
04-12-03, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by ze leetle elper
What is quite sad to see, is that in some cases the brother bringing the 'good muslimah' is actually turned away.

The parents are too modern/ shes too plain/ they are not religious.

Consider the reason why most people marry who they do in the first place.
Consider what parents look for in future son/ daughter- in-laws.

Living in such a materialistic society, they want what is 'best' for the child: which to them means, big house, nice car, loadsa money, tall, dark and handsome- hey if he looks like a bollywood actor even better. ( :vomit: @ Bolly )

Its a wonder why there are usually so many disagreements about marriage nowadays.

'It is a mystery of generation that although it is the old that teach the young, it is the young who improve the old.'
Its true most of the time parents are like that, but I have seen many whom find spouses for their kids according to how their kids are. Like if the daughter wants a modern guy she gets someone like that, if the other isnt or doesnt want such a guy but someone whom is more "religious" than parents look for that. Since its not like the parents are gonna live with that person, rather yourself. And children should make clear what they want as well, if their right its their right to stand up for what they want, and no compromise in that, especially in something as big as marriage. That is why its not the parents whom are to blame always, the kids as well who let it happen...
hey very cool statement in the end, really like it
thadi angrazi wih bari changi hai ji:p

ze leetle elper
04-12-03, 01:17 PM
Originally posted by outlandish
thadi angrazi wih bari changi hai ji:p

Kosheesh karni ah :D , twada vhe changa lagda vhe. :p

Lateafha
05-12-03, 01:07 AM
Originally posted by ze leetle elper
What is quite sad to see, is that in some cases the brother bringing the 'good muslimah' is actually turned away.

SubhanaAllah, and for some thats being "civilized"! :rolleyes:

Whatever!

AhmedSyed
05-12-03, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by ALISHBA
yeah but weneva a boy brings home his girlfriend the parents evetuallt agree but wen a girl does dat t like hells bin broken thru y's dat

I thought the concept of "boyfriend/girlfriend was not allowed in Islam? :confused:

Ebony
05-12-03, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by AhmedSyed
I thought the concept of "boyfriend/girlfriend was not allowed in Islam? :confused:

its not.
what Alishba probably means is if a girl tells her parents (not bring him home exactly) about the boy she's interested in..it would go down so well. Whereas, its a diff story for boys.

AhmedSyed
06-12-03, 01:36 AM
Originally posted by Ebony
its not.
what Alishba probably means is if a girl tells her parents (not bring him home exactly) about the boy she's interested in..it would go down so well. Whereas, its a diff story for boys.

IC:)

But how does the girl know him in the first place since there no mixing involved?

Does she just pick? :confused:

Ebony
06-12-03, 01:23 PM
Originally posted by AhmedSyed
IC:)

But how does the girl know him in the first place since there no mixing involved?

Does she just pick? :confused:

there is an aspect of mixing in some cases...or in others the boy's see's girl and enquires about her from others or vice versa

*typo...wouldnt go down so well*

MorphRC
15-12-03, 12:33 AM
I dont know why people use forced marriage as a term.

Theres no such thing as a forced marriage.

A Marriage is:

A agreement of two people [man & woman, not man and man and woman and woman ] to join together [ of their own free will ] to be with each other for the rest of their lives, through love, devotion and honour.

Forced marriage does not take any of these points into account therefore it is more of a agreement or contract than a Marriage.

Ali_Khan
15-12-03, 03:38 PM
In the areas Taliban ruled in Afghanistan, many girls used to commit suicide because their fathers had forced them into marriage. The Taliban solved this problem by ordering the beating of any man whosedaughter commited the suicide. Because of its brutality, this actually solved the problem :)

MorphRC
15-12-03, 11:05 PM
Originally posted by Ali_Khan
In the areas Taliban ruled in Afghanistan, many girls used to commit suicide because their fathers had forced them into marriage. The Taliban solved this problem by ordering the beating of any man whosedaughter commited the suicide. Because of its brutality, this actually solved the problem :)

Two wrongs make a right?

Maybe a smart option would not to have had the forced "marriage
" laws in the first place Bro Ali.

Lateafha
16-12-03, 08:02 PM
Originally posted by Ali_Khan
In the areas Taliban ruled in Afghanistan, many girls used to commit suicide because their fathers had forced them into marriage. The Taliban solved this problem by ordering the beating of any man whosedaughter commited the suicide. Because of its brutality, this actually solved the problem :)

Are you trying to praise the Taliban?

the Taliban claimed reliance on Islam in reaching their horrible decisions, They took islam as a shield when they committed every little act that islam prohibits. Just like the above statment you just made up there, There is no compulsion in islam. No One can be forced to marry someone that they don't widh to marry, so the taliban were basically working against the Quraan and the teachings of the prophet Mohamed PBUH. Shame on them.

.: Anna :.
16-12-03, 08:21 PM
Salaam
I actually heard stories that the Taliban did force some girls into marriage because they were like...your getting to a certain age so get married 2 avoid temptation and stuff, and so they would just find any bro n take the girl away 2 get married. of course i didnt see this wiv my own eyes so if its tru, allahu alam

Lateafha
24-12-03, 04:31 AM
Originally posted by anna2000uk
Salaam
I actually heard stories that the Taliban did force some girls into marriage because they were like...your getting to a certain age so get married 2 avoid temptation and stuff, and so they would just find any bro n take the girl away 2 get married. of course i didnt see this wiv my own eyes so if its tru, allahu alam

thats what i am saying, force itself is haram, a girl has the right to choose who she wnats to marry,

it's a sin upon any man to force a girl like that,

aLL i know for a fact is that it's not from islam, it's a cultural thing,

Culture needs to be banned, in order to practise real islam!

zaynab22
30-03-04, 11:42 AM
and i otally agree with what u said ... its haram and should be allowed ... and things such as forced marriages do exist ... what about when the girl is emotionally blackmaled in to marriage? shes isulated from her family and doesnt have any 1 to talk2 at the same times shes suffering from depression? doesnt that count cz she marrys cz of she parents and doesnt really care for her self any more? all she wants to do is die and get over with what the family requirs from her?
and when shes married to her husband he rapes her? and emotionally puts her family down and just wants to come to the country and her family also tell her that this marriage was only performed for the family so this guy could come to this country and when the girls back home... her husband doesnt keep in contact with her and when they do talk he just wnts to know whats going on wv his visa and stuff but dnt care evntly they stop talking /.. he askes for a divorce from the girls family but they want to cover the shame and still bring him over to the country and dnt want the divorce to proceed what does that mean???

isnt that force?

what is she sposed to do?

live with him even though she doesnt want to b with him just to keep a face?

is this marriage valild?

this is what append to my friend she was married to her sis in laws brother... now i cnt say that she had a choice in this situation... so dnt tell me that theres no such thing as a forced marriage ok...

asalmaulaykum p.s. would like to know what u think on this topic jazakallah kairan

ur sis in islam naheed21

zaynab22
30-03-04, 11:45 AM
could u say this marriage is valid?

amal
31-03-04, 10:55 AM
Can't be valid, if in any form the girl was constraint. The only question which remained ,who will protect her??

zaynab22
31-03-04, 04:05 PM
ok so it cnt be valid inshallah and u asked who could protect her??? at the mo she feels that she cnt really do any thing but islam also teachs her that she should fight for her rights inshallah and i agree she should ask allah for help could u provide daleel for the above inshallah... about it not being valid?

Basilio
01-04-04, 04:09 AM
Forced marriage or if you want to call it arranged marriage, should be the free choice a woman of any age ..really I believe it to be a cultural thing related to the tribal days of the Arab, instead of practicing incest, I believe that the Arab had an undestanding of deformities and mental retardations from family intermarriages. If you think about it, it was probably necessary to arrange marriages to keep such disorders from occuring, To me it is easy to see how something like this could be adapted by a culture as the tribe would need new blood(DNA) to keep the tribes succesful fruitfulness to continue. Regardless of this theory of mine, Ebony broke it down, and did it well..

peace

amana
01-04-04, 01:50 PM
Originally posted by Basilio
Forced marriage or if you want to call it arranged marriage, should be the free choice a woman of any age ..really I believe it to be a cultural thing related to the tribal days of the Arab, instead of practicing incest, I believe that the Arab had an undestanding of deformities and mental retardations from family intermarriages. If you think about it, it was probably necessary to arrange marriages to keep such disorders from occuring, To me it is easy to see how something like this could be adapted by a culture as the tribe would need new blood(DNA) to keep the tribes succesful fruitfulness to continue. Regardless of this theory of mine, Ebony broke it down, and did it well..

peace


I agree with you on this. I feel the same way.

I also thing that get merrie its not a game, rather its a heart matter.

No one should get marrie if they are not in love. Love is the roots of a merriage. I mean a "REALLY LOVE".

If a man and woman get merried and thing that love come later, it will not. what will come later i will be "adaptation. Not a through love.

Welcome on this Forum Basilio. I hope you enjoy your stay.

peace to you and yours.

Amana

AbuMubarak
16-06-04, 11:26 PM
The Distorted Image of Women in Islaam


By a former Non-Muslim, Naasira Bint Ellison

Since the height of the feminist movement in the late 70's there has been a magnifying glass placed over the status of Muslim women. Unfortunately, the magnifying glass that has been used is an unusual one. Unusual in the sense that it is very selective about which items it will magnify; other items it will distort to such a degree that they will no longer look familiar. I remember once reading in an "in depth" article about the lives of Muslim women. This article "explained" that at any time a man can divorce his wife by simply stating "I divorce you, I divorce you, I divorce you". This article can lead anyone ignorant of the Islamic ruling regarding divorce to believe that in less than five seconds the woman is left with no husband and is left to care for herself (and possibly children) by any means necessary. The question that immediately popped up in my mind was, "Did the author innocently write that out of sincere ignorance or was it another of the many attempts to degrade the religion of Islam and its followers (muslims)?" It may be my own paranoia, but I tend to believe it was the latter of the two.


The truth of the matter is that Islam has the most humane and most just system of divorce that exists. Firstly, many options are taken and tried before coming to the decision of the divorce. If the man and woman decide that they can no longer live together successfully as a husband and wife, the husband (in most cases, not always) pronounces the divorce by saying "I divorce you". At this point the waiting period begins. The waiting period lasts for three menstrual cycles to assure the woman is not pregnant. This period allows the couple time to think about what they are doing and if this is what they really want to do. There are no lawyers involved to antagonise an already delicate situation. In the case that it is realised, that the woman is pregnant, the waiting period lasts the entire time she is pregnant. During the waiting period (whether the woman is pregnant or not) the man is obligated to provide food, clothing and shelter to the woman as he did before the divorce pronouncement. If the couple carries the divorce through to the birth of the child and the woman suckles the baby, the man is obligated to feed and clothe both his ex-wife for the time the woman suckles (the maximum being two years). After this weaning, the child will be provided for by the father until he/she is no longer in need of support. It is quite ironic that in such an "advanced society" as America, there are divorce cases in which women are being forced to pay alimony to their ex-husbands. Can this and many other things we know about the American system of divorce compare to the Islamic system of divorce?


I have also read stories wherein it is stated that women are forced to marry men without their consent. This in no way resembles the marriage system in Islam. In Islaam the woman marries the man of her choice. She may even marry someone that her mother and/or father objects to. The point is that it is the woman who makes the final decision as to whom she will marry. Once the man and the woman decide that they are interested in one another for marriage, a dowry is decided upon. A dowry is not a brides price but, it is a gift from the groom to the bride. They agree upon a gift that is affordable by the groom. In the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ’alayhi wa sallam), often things such as livestock and money were given. This is a wise decision in the event that a woman becomes divorced or widowed, she has some financial security to fall back on even if it is for a limited amount of time. Once the man and woman are married, the man is required to clothe, feed, shelter and educate her (or allow her to be educated) in the same manner as he does himself. The last distorted image that I will cover is that of the Muslim women's dress. The western influenced media portrays our dress to be outdated and oppressive. Needless to say however, I differ with these adjectives. Our dress code does not hinder us from doing anything productive in our lives. Muslim women maintain a variety of jobs, non of which are devalued nor hampered due to their dress code. And as for the timing of muslims women's dress during these contemporary times, it seems most appropriate due to decreasing morals in the world today.


For those who say that Islamic dress is outdated, they speak from great ignorance. The decreasing morality and trials of this time makes Hijaab even more in need. More than ever before sex crimes are rampant. Although this society tells women they can wear what they want to wear, anytime a rape occurs the woman is the one put on trial an one of the first questions is, "What were you wearing?" This concept seems as though it is a set up directed against the so called contemporary woman. Also there is a direct correlation between the respect a man has for a woman and the amount of her body her body she displays flauntingly. In conclusion, I hope this article helped to clear up some distorted/misunderstood aspects of Islam and women. Women in Islam are respected and held in high regard. We will never find success and/or solutions to our problems until we realise that Allaah knows best and that this disbelieving society will ruin itself.

zee
09-08-04, 03:49 PM
I was a girl who was 100% certain that i'd ever become 'victim' of a forced marriage thus a 'statistic' as such. Brought up with good values and Islam in my home, I was very proud of my heritage, my family and extended family. After all they displayed fine examples of how life should be as a good muslim. Despite being educated to high standards, learning to be independant and knowing my rights as a woman, I feared Allah through out and kept my feet well on the ground, as i believed degrees and certificates were not enough to qualify me as a good muslim girl, but my inner self, my actions and my faith determined this. Always remaining thankful, kind, generous, and respectful to everyone. Never had the concept of a forced marriage ever been practiced in my family until now. I always made it clear to the elders that i will marry who they want me to but not my cousin who i disliked for years. My cousin was adamant to marry me knowing full well i did not want to. After years of strength and struggle, i became mentally weak, broken down, was emotionally blackmailed and was compelled into marrying him. I found myself back to square one, the same place i was at a decade ago (where i was 15) when initially this all started. I somehow finally accepted that i would have to see this through and compromise, even though my wedding day, to me felt like the day i had been buried alive. Because that is what is happening. People are still burying theirs daughters alive when they are forcing them to marry a man they dont want to spend the rest of their life with. Thats how it feels, dark, clostrophobic, no light in sight, no breathe of fresh air, no calm, no peace of mind. Just a life-sentence that each time you try to make an appeal for, you are further compelled & suppressed. You are reduced to something you never were.....

personal & cultural beliefs overide Islamic law in situations where forced marriages are concerned...and we all know they are not suppose to....some parents do not want to turn away or dissapoint their brothers and sisters in fear of breaking relations.......and sacrifice thier own children's happiness....

I would like to know if there is anyone out there in a similar situation?

I would like to know how they are coping? what is giving them strength?

or what anyone thinks about situations like these?

umm shuyookh
22-04-08, 08:12 PM
very sad indeed. may Allah ease your affairs sister and reward you with jannah.

idil
23-04-08, 07:51 PM
how come these days there appears to be many opinionssss,our deen is simple and should be kept like that and the quraan, the sunnah and the way the companions lived should be enough. opinions only confuse people.

idil
23-04-08, 07:55 PM
may ALLAH make your struggles ease sis

Ignatius F. Peace
25-04-08, 12:16 AM
You marry someone you love ... not someone your parents love ...

This is where Islam confuses me ...

hanaa_al_muminah
25-04-08, 12:24 AM
You marry someone you love ... not someone your parents love ...

This is where Islam confuses me ...

islam does not teach u to marry sum1 ur parents love, culture does!

plz dont mix the 2, they r veeeeeeeerry different!

Ignatius F. Peace
25-04-08, 12:32 AM
islam does not teach u to marry sum1 ur parents love, culture does!

plz dont mix the 2, they r veeeeeeeerry different!perhaps ... but I see so much desperation on this forum for people to get married ...

Being a member here for a few years now, I have read of many people's trepidation of getting married ... it seems to me that many Muslims marry people they barely know ...

Just an observation of course ...

I am not advocating sex before marriage or anything of the sort ... however, it appears to me that Islam prohibits couples from really getting to know each other, considering that any courtship is supposed to be so strictly supervised by "chaperones" or 'mehrams" or whatever ...

Basil al-Mamluk
25-04-08, 12:41 AM
perhaps ... but I see so much desperation on this forum for people to get married ...

Being a member here for a few years now, I have read of many people's trepidation of getting married ... it seems to me that many Muslims marry people they barely know ...

Just an observation of course ...

I am not advocating sex before marriage or anything of the sort ... however, it appears to me that Islam prohibits couples from really getting to know each other, considering that any courtship is supposed to be so strictly supervised by "chaperones" or 'mehrams" or whatever ...

How well do people in the west really know their spouses? The rate of divorce these days is astounding.

I remember listening to G Gordon Liddy (heh yeah, I know) in high school and he spoke on why Islamic countries marriages work: "In America, we marry who we love. Over there, they love who they marry."

edit: Islam explicitly is against forced marriages, the proofs were given above.

Just to clarify, I am not married yet. I am looking, inshaAllah I will be married in the next year or two.

Ignatius F. Peace
25-04-08, 12:50 AM
Just to clarify, I am not married yet. I am looking, inshaAllah I will be married in the next year or two.What's the rush? ...

Tahiyah
25-04-08, 01:23 AM
perhaps ... but I see so much desperation on this forum for people to get married ...

Being a member here for a few years now, I have read of many people's trepidation of getting married ... it seems to me that many Muslims marry people they barely know ...

Just an observation of course ...

I am not advocating sex before marriage or anything of the sort ... however, it appears to me that Islam prohibits couples from really getting to know each other, considering that any courtship is supposed to be so strictly supervised by "chaperones" or 'mehrams" or whatever ...

i am so glad i learned Islam without all this cultural stuff iggy. alot of what you read and see on here regarding marriage seems to deal alot with cultures

i would never force any of my children into marriage, i really dont understand that at all, it makes no sense whatsoever to me. if my children would like me to help them find a suitable partner, give them my opinion i will be glad to help...

your children have the last say, they say who and when