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Salam Alaikum Brothers and Sisters
Please don't be like sheep and change youre Eid day from the Friday to the Thursday look at the evidence that is given before you!! The moon could not be sighted in Saudi it was only a few hours old, do some studying, look around and find out when it is possible to actually sight the moon. moonsighting.com is a good starting point!! Also you could e-mail Mufti Zubair ( http://www.islamictarbiyah.com/ ) He will answer any quieres you have. Inshallah
Jazak'allah
if yawm al arafah is on wednesday...eid is on thursday...no debate
whether or not this is right....Allaahu Alum ...
Salman Al-Farsi
16-01-05, 09:12 PM
You tell em sis :)
if yawm al arafah is on wednesday...eid is on thursday...no debate
whether or not this is right....Allaahu Alum ...
if yawm al arafah is on wednesday...eid is on thursday...no debate
whether or not this is right....Allaahu Alum ...You would be right in saying that it will be the above in Saudi.. as they have sighted it on the monday but it dosn't mean to say that eveyone would be on that day and going by there previous sighting the changing of the day is true to form as they got it wrong last time aswell. here is a link to a page that will show you the visibility curves for the possible sightings of the moon. Under 15 hours old it will not be possible to see it. http://moonsighting.com/allcurves.html
Allah knows best.
Taqwa81
16-01-05, 11:17 PM
Br Ibby, what I don't get is that the three opinions that exist (follow saudi, follow local sighting, follow global sighting..), there are masajid who follow the new moon as announced by the Royal Observatory - here's what they had to say about the new moon:
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.18003
What does this mean??
_NOra_*Sanfora*
16-01-05, 11:57 PM
i hopeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Eid iz friday ya rabi :up:
ponderingstar
17-01-05, 02:09 PM
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooof!
i hate these eid debates.
can two muslims of good character (*ahem*) please tell me when eid is? The problem with living in the west is that eid's get transfered to the nearest weekend ANYHOW (in all partaying and eating yourself silly respects) because everyone's working and can't get time off unless it's booked weeks ormonthsin advance, but its good to know when the actual real eid is... :(
so what have we decided?
.: Anna :.
17-01-05, 02:45 PM
its thurs.... so if you take like 4 days for eid you can celebrate all weekend too :D
ponderingstar
17-01-05, 02:47 PM
i know this is a bit late (or extremely early) but how much does it cost ALL in ALL to do hajj from london?
.: Anna :.
17-01-05, 02:49 PM
i know this is a bit late (or extremely early) but how much does it cost ALL in ALL to do hajj from london?
fosis (student isoc thingy) was doing one at like £1600 for students £1700 for non student, but it usually will cost you more... maybe bit over £2000? depends on the accomodation u r having & stuff
Br Ibby, what I don't get is that the three opinions that exist (follow saudi, follow local sighting, follow global sighting..), there are masajid who follow the new moon as announced by the Royal Observatory - here's what they had to say about the new moon:
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.18003
What does this mean??Salam Alaikum
Having looked at the pictures that is exactly right the new moon is in fact the moon that cannot be seen as it has no sunlight cast upon it. The sighting that we work by and therefore the begginings of a new month is when the first cresent can be seen this takes time after the new moon is 'born'. This can take from between 15 hours and 24 hours. For more info about this i have included the link below. http://www.moonsighting.com/faq_ms.html#Astronomy
Inshallah this will be of use for people who want to know.
http://www.moonsighting.com/hajj&eid-al-adha_mess.html http://muslim-canada.org/eid_al_adha.html
Taqwa81
And answering youre other point. What should you follow. If the moon is sighted in a country to the east of you then it is ok to follow them as it should be possible to see the moon in youre country (weather and conditions permitting). If no country has sighted it, it may be possible that youre own countries comittee may sight it then follow them. If Saudi were to call it correctly then that would be fine follow them but bear in mind that the moon has actually to be born first for it to be seen like i mentioned in my previous post.
Inshallah these points are of some use to you.
_NOra_*Sanfora*
17-01-05, 05:03 PM
ohoooooooooo i hate this,,,,,,,,,wen iz eid :eek2: :eek2: :eek2:
salaam
Hate these discussions!
Im going to follow saudi inshallah..whether they are right or wrong...its their responsibility to announce the RIGHT date...if they havent then the millions of poeple doing Arafah on the wronge day and the more million ppl celebrating Eid on the wronge day..well the people who announced the day will be held accountable. Celebrating Eid on friday means our youm Arafah is like a whole 24 hrs AFTER the hujaaj :s
plus, i was watchin a programme shown on the syrian channel....and they had a scholar from Halab, syria and they asked him about all this...he's explanation was that originally saudi did not sight the moon and according to a hadith it says that if the moon is not sighted then they have to finish off the month...hence Eid was on the friday, but then some parts of saudi..places on the border did sight the moon, and other countries like syria (in halab) sighted and they informed them...and because they were reliable, they changed it.
hope that made sense..it does to me!
wasalam
_NOra_*Sanfora*
17-01-05, 05:27 PM
ehh cheeeky 7abibti hadi 7alek :up:
_NOra_*Sanfora*
17-01-05, 05:33 PM
lak ehhhh good to hear thn :D :D :D :up: ana hasa woke up im so hungry no1 home bdi akul :D :inlove: cheeky 3indek beda?
aww lol..atfadhali 3indi lil fatoor lol..wots beda? :s
Clarity
17-01-05, 05:41 PM
Cheeky my luvly sista, its rather obvious that if Haj/day of Arafah is on the wednesday, then edi ul adha must be on the thursday regardless of the moon and its appearence. Hasnt this been the practise in Islam since the very beginning? Hence,no argument. (smile now luvy!)
salaam
_NOra_*Sanfora*
17-01-05, 05:42 PM
awwwwwww shukran!! lak wliiiiiii beda ya ya3ni egg! shu ma ta3rfi 3arabi :D :D :D
LOL ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh beda egg loll....HA told ya ma arabic sux :p
clarity ;) :D
Yeh its obvious dat and all...but they cant determine when youm Arafah is till they sight the moon...then like u sed..Eid is the day after Arafah..i dnt get all the mosques who are still announcing Eid to be on friday :s
ya ukhti nora...u can have all the beda's u want hun, yallah come over before ur breakie gets cold!
_NOra_*Sanfora*
17-01-05, 06:12 PM
ya ukhti nora...u can have all the beda's u want hun, yallah come over before ur breakie gets cold!
awwwwwwwww shukran heheh bdi eji now....im on ma way....on ma magic carpet wil b thr in no time!!! :inlove:
Ahlan wa sahlan, any time...ana mowjoodah inshallah! :D
Yallah ana fil intidhaar *whistles*
fayfchica58
17-01-05, 06:20 PM
Cheeky my luvly sista, its rather obvious that if Haj/day of Arafah is on the wednesday, then edi ul adha must be on the thursday regardless of the moon and its appearence. Hasnt this been the practise in Islam since the very beginning? Hence,no argument. (smile now luvy!)
salaam salaamz but i saw da hilal last thursday so i dunno wut u is chattin bout! b-sides- saudi's time is ahead of ours! :rolleyes:
As far as i know, for Eid ul adha, the hilal is supposed to be sighted in saudi...like dats where Arafah is going to be...so its them who sight it, hence we follow them..or countries in that area anyway...not too sure tho. what sis clarity meant was its been the practise in Islam to have Eid ul Adha the day after youm Arafah...so if its youm Arafah in saudi on wed, then its Eid on Thursday..Wallahu alam.
wasalam
if yawm al arafah is on wednesday...eid is on thursday...no debate
whether or not this is right....Allaahu Alum ...
asalamalaikum,
nah that doesnt make a difference!, u only do eid on the correct day!...
ask urself...why did saudi change the date all of a sudden?...what did they remember they saw the moon.
the fact is that saudi use a fixed calender.and dont acre abt moon sighting.
the gov is put ther by usa and have been told to cause chaos btwn muslims...
thats why we shud do eid on friday.
u know inside its the right day.
the hajj is been done on the rong day. bt the sin will go to the person who announced it on the rong day, not the hajjis.
i have proof for all the above if u require it.
wasallam alaikum
As far as i know, for Eid ul adha, the hilal is supposed to be sighted in saudi...like dats where Arafah is going to be...so its them who sight it, hence we follow them..or countries in that area anyway...not too sure tho. what sis clarity meant was its been the practise in Islam to have Eid ul Adha the day after youm Arafah...so if its youm Arafah in saudi on wed, then its Eid on Thursday..Wallahu alam.
wasalamthats like that only because eid is on 10th of the month and arafah is the day b4, no other reason...
remember, eid is based on moonsighting, not praticular days or events.
u do realise ppl who do hajj dont do eid?
hence if they have to connection with eid, why wud eid have a connection with hajj?...
Br Ibby, what I don't get is that the three opinions that exist (follow saudi, follow local sighting, follow global sighting..), there are masajid who follow the new moon as announced by the Royal Observatory - here's what they had to say about the new moon:
http://www.nmm.ac.uk/server/show/conWebDoc.18003
What does this mean??let me help u here
DONT FOLLOW NE! BUT ALLAH
1) and we have been told to sight the moon
how is it possible for NO in the world but saudi to c the moon...honestly...dont be ignorant brothers and sisters and open ur eyes and hearts...
and even if the magically saw it, every1 west shud be able to see it (i do maths with astronomy in uni, i wud know!)
and the question abt follow local, or every1 else..
the prophet pbuh said follow the moon sighting, but the fact is not every1 will see it at the same time. he also said to follow the majority if this happens....as it is obvious it wud..
hence if above 50% of the world sees the moon and are doing eid on a certain day, u shud follow it.
and allah knows best
oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ooof!
i hate these eid debates.
can two muslims of good character (*ahem*) please tell me when eid is? The problem with living in the west is that eid's get transfered to the nearest weekend ANYHOW (in all partaying and eating yourself silly respects) because everyone's working and can't get time off unless it's booked weeks ormonthsin advance, but its good to know when the actual real eid is... :(
so what have we decided?eid is on friday insha'allah
they had this debate last eid, and every1 either did it on saturday or sunday. its funny how teh ones who did it on saturday regreted it later on
some pl do it with others, not because they believe its the right day, but so that theyrnt embarrased.
read this hadith and then decide
From Bukhari]] 4.662: Narrated Abu Sa`id: The Prophet said, "You will follow the wrong ways, of your predecessors so completely and literally that if they should go into the hole of a mastigure, you too will go there." We said, "O Allah's Apostle! Do you mean the Jews and the Christians?" He replied, "Whom else?" (Meaning, of course, the Jews and the Christians.) [[
and this qu'ran ayat
Surah As -sAFf (61) atay 002:-
O ye who believe! Why say ye that which ye do not?
salaam
Hate these discussions!
Im going to follow saudi inshallah..whether they are right or wrong...its their responsibility to announce the RIGHT date...if they havent then the millions of poeple doing Arafah on the wronge day and the more million ppl celebrating Eid on the wronge day..well the people who announced the day will be held accountable. Celebrating Eid on friday means our youm Arafah is like a whole 24 hrs AFTER the hujaaj :s
plus, i was watchin a programme shown on the syrian channel....and they had a scholar from Halab, syria and they asked him about all this...he's explanation was that originally saudi did not sight the moon and according to a hadith it says that if the moon is not sighted then they have to finish off the month...hence Eid was on the friday, but then some parts of saudi..places on the border did sight the moon, and other countries like syria (in halab) sighted and they informed them...and because they were reliable, they changed it.
hope that made sense..it does to me!
wasalamsalam
thats a lie, they cudnt have sighted it. it can be prooved.
plz dont listen to every random scholar from random countries.
like u said..he said month ends....
lol...eid is on the 10th, not in the end...
the daith he is talking abt is the one for ramdhan
which is as follows
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2378
Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Whenever you sight the new moon (of the month of Ramadan) observe fast, and when you sight it (the new moon of Shawwal) break it, and if the sky is cloudy for you, then observe fast for thirty days.
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah
SAHIH MUSLIM
HADITH_No 2380
Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said: Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break it on sighting it. But if (due to clouds) the actual position of the month is concealed from you, you should then count thirty (days).
NARRATOR Abdullah ibn Umar
AL-MUWATTA
HADITH_No 18.1.1
The Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, once mentioned Ramadan and said, "Do not begin the fast until you see the new moon, and do not break the fast (at the end of Ramadan) until you see it. If the new moon is obscured from you, then work out (when it should be)."
Cheeky my luvly sista, its rather obvious that if Haj/day of Arafah is on the wednesday, then edi ul adha must be on the thursday regardless of the moon and its appearence. Hasnt this been the practise in Islam since the very beginning? Hence,no argument. (smile now luvy!)
salaam
Eid-ul-Adha and Hajj are two separate rituals of worship, not dependent upon each other
Jazakallah 1mran for youre posts you have explained everything very well. Inshallah this will have cleared things up for our brothers and sisters.
we're celebratin on Thurs insha'Allah coz Eid is suppose to be day after yawm ul Arafah (which falls on Wed) and Allahu a3lam
but this is what the local announcement is :s but despite that many pple here r celebratin on Thurs and Allahu a3lam
Saudi Announcement To Change Eid ul Adha Date
Today, January 14, the Hajj Authority of the Saudi Government have announced a change in their earlier statement, saying that according to Ummul Qura calendar, the standing at Arafat will be on January 19 and Eid ul Adha on January 20.
Moon sighting on January 10 was astronomically ruled out in Saudi Arabia. The new moon was born at 12:03 Universal Time on January 10 and was only 3 hours old in Saudi Arabia. It set 3 minutes before the sunset. Therefore, sightability on January 10 was totally incredible.
ISNA stands by its earlier decision that Eid ul Adha in North America will, insha'Allah, be on Friday, January 21, as announced earlier.
we're celebratin on Thurs insha'Allah coz Eid is suppose to be day after yawm ul Arafah (which falls on Wed) and Allahu a3lam
but this is what the local announcement is :s but despite that many pple here r celebratin on Thurs and Allahu a3lam
Saudi Announcement To Change Eid ul Adha Date
Today, January 14, the Hajj Authority of the Saudi Government have announced a change in their earlier statement, saying that according to Ummul Qura calendar, the standing at Arafat will be on January 19 and Eid ul Adha on January 20.
Moon sighting on January 10 was astronomically ruled out in Saudi Arabia. The new moon was born at 12:03 Universal Time on January 10 and was only 3 hours old in Saudi Arabia. It set 3 minutes before the sunset. Therefore, sightability on January 10 was totally incredible.
ISNA stands by its earlier decision that Eid ul Adha in North America will, insha'Allah, be on Friday, January 21, as announced earlier.asalamalikum
obviously u havent read what i have written...
plz read the thread on the connection btwn hajj and eid ...
Jazakallah 1mran for youre posts you have explained everything very well. Inshallah this will have cleared things up for our brothers and sisters.
walaikum salam
u know in the end its not abt the actual day.....
ist abt the intention....
if u truly believed in allah, and had faith, u wud ffollow whats right....or u can do eid with 'the crowd' and show off...ie do eid for the plessure of others!!!
Mr_Jailer
18-01-05, 02:32 PM
LOL ohhhhhhhhhhhhhh beda egg loll....HA told ya ma arabic sux :p
clarity ;) :D
Yeh its obvious dat and all...but they cant determine when youm Arafah is till they sight the moon...then like u sed..Eid is the day after Arafah..i dnt get all the mosques who are still announcing Eid to be on friday :s
I had an argument with a friend last night on this issue... I argued what u argued... He attempted to justify that Eid is on Friday 'cos a week ago, it was announced on the Friday and the Imam of Macca favoured Friday.
I replied to him along the same lines, regardless of what ppl think, their own 2 cents, the reality on the ground is if the day of Arafat is Wednesday then Eid is Thursday.
Eid-ul-adha is dependant upon the Day of Arafat. A reason he gave for some mosques holdin' Eid on Friday was 'cos many ppl have booked holidays on friday'.
I argued Eid is a religious festival based on moon-sightings and not based on mere convenience for the masses.
The way the moon was sighted by the 3 people and how the authorities went 'bout it was in complete accordance to the sunnah.
Ppl that do Eid on Friday are in denial.
I had an argument with a friend last night on this issue... I argued what u argued... He attempted to justify that Eid is on Friday 'cos a week ago, it was announced on the Friday and the Imam of Macca favoured Friday.
The way the moon was sighted by the 3 people and how the authorities went 'bout it was in complete accordance to the sunnah..........
Ppl that do Eid on Friday are in denial.
Salam
Me thinks you have not read the post by brother 1mran about the sightings. Please look for the evidence and the possibilities of sighting after the 'birth' of the new moon.
walaikum salam
u know in the end its not abt the actual day.....
ist abt the intention....
if u truly believed in allah, and had faith, u wud ffollow whats right....or u can do eid with 'the crowd' and show off...ie do eid for the plessure of others!!!Salams Brother
This is indeed true. I know in my heart that I am doing things on the right day, I have been trying to bring the evidence to other brothers and sisters so they can judge for themselves. If after seeing the evidence they still go for Thursday then fair enough that is what they believe to be right.
Mr_Jailer
18-01-05, 07:23 PM
1mran, you haven't really produced proof.
Need proof on how Eid-al adha and Hajj are separate. That is the main issue here. If u provide proof with daleel then thats a different matter.
The hadith you posted relate to Eid-al Fitr.
PS. I'm glad Eid last year was on Saturday... didn't regret it one bit :D
1mran, you haven't really produced proof.
Need proof on how Eid-al adha and Hajj are separate. That is the main issue here. If u provide proof with daleel then thats a different matter.
The hadith you posted relate to Eid-al Fitr.
PS. I'm glad Eid last year was on Saturday... didn't regret it one bit :D
did u not read the threadi made with the proof.
ignorance will get u only to one place
abu yusaf
18-01-05, 08:48 PM
plus, i was watchin a programme shown on the syrian channel....and they had a scholar from Halab, syria and they asked him about all this...he's explanation was that originally saudi did not sight the moon and according to a hadith it says that if the moon is not sighted then they have to finish off the month...hence Eid was on the friday, but then some parts of saudi..places on the border did sight the moon, and other countries like syria (in halab) sighted and they informed them...and because they were reliable, they changed it.
If the Saudis used calculations then this is incorrect and Eid would be on Friday. However they have stated that witnesses came forward to testify that they had sighted the moon. Therefore in accordance with the hadith, the order to all Muslims globally is to have Eid on Thursday. In addition the reality of the birth of the new moon was present on Monday evening, so we can take the testimony of any sincere trustworthy Muslim.
Mr_Jailer
19-01-05, 07:16 AM
did u not read the threadi made with the proof.
ignorance will get u only to one place
Whats the post no.
If the Saudis used calculations then this is incorrect and Eid would be on Friday. However they have stated that witnesses came forward to testify that they had sighted the moon. Therefore in accordance with the hadith, the order to all Muslims globally is to have Eid on Thursday. In addition the reality of the birth of the new moon was present on Monday evening, so we can take the testimony of any sincere trustworthy Muslim.
:up:
Muslim Sista
19-01-05, 12:56 PM
Salam Alaikum Brothers and Sisters
Please don't be like sheep and change youre Eid day from the Friday to the Thursday look at the evidence that is given before you!! The moon could not be sighted in Saudi it was only a few hours old, do some studying, look around and find out when it is possible to actually sight the moon. moonsighting.com is a good starting point!! Also you could e-mail Mufti Zubair ( http://www.islamictarbiyah.com/ ) He will answer any quieres you have. Inshallah
Jazak'allah
i thought that it was eid ul fitr that wa done when the moon had been sighted and eid ul adha was the one straight after hajj
anywayz i'm celebrating eid on thursday
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 01:46 PM
Well my mum has bought all the food and told us Eid is tomorrow.
And as far as I'm concerned, Eid is when my mum makes all that food she's bought :banan:
The Saudi Hajj Decision Rifts American Muslims
Dr. Mohammad A. Auwal
According to Arab News (Jeddah, January 15, 2005), Sheikh Abdul Rahman
Al-Sudais, the imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah has urged Muslims to
unite to alleviate suffering of Muslims worldwide. I appreciate this
call as it speaks to the hearts and minds of Muslims everywhere.
Unfortunately, however, his country’s incredible decisions are doing
just the opposite—dividing Muslims even on the matters of worship in
which there is universal agreement.
I am referring the recent Saudi decision about that Day of Arafat (the
main day of the Hajj) as well as the day of Eid ul Adha (Festival of
Sacrifice) and the rift and pain it has caused among Muslims especially
in North America.
Earlier, the Saudi Hajj authority and the Moon Sighting Committee of
the
Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), an umbrella organization for
North American Muslim organizations, declared that January 12, 2005,
would be the beginning of the Zul Hijjah (12th month of the Hijri
calendar), and accordingly, Eid ul Adha would be celebrated on January
21, 2005 (Friday).
On January 14, however, the Saudi authority stunned us by announcing
that the Day of Arafat would be January 19 and the Eid ul Adha on
January 20. The Saudi authority reportedly advanced the Eid celebration
by one day based on moon sighting claims by two persons on January 10.
But astronomical data make their claims clearly unbelievable.
As reported in www.Moonsighting.com <http://www.Moonsighting.com (http://www.moonsighting.com/)>, on
January 10 it was impossible for anyone to see the new moon anywhere on
earth except possibly in Chile and Polynesian islands. The new moon was
born at 12:03 Universal Time on that day and was barely 3 hours old in
Saudi Arabia where it set 3 minutes before the sunset.
Put simply, if a trace of the new moon is sighted in Saudi Arabia, we
in
the North and the West coasts of the U.S. should be able to have a
better view of that moon because we are ahead of the Saudis in its
growth trajectory. Nobody has reported sighting the moon on January 10,
2005 anywhere on earth. So, ISNA has found the Saudi moon sighting
report unbelievable and stuck to its earlier decision to celebrate the
Eid on January 21.
But many American mosques are ignoring the ISNA decisions and blindly
following the Saudi decision ironically in the name of global Muslim
unity.
I have noticed since the early 1990s how decisions on Ramadan and the
Hajj dates taken in Makkah divide and create conflict among Muslims in
the U.S. In one year (possibly 1992), we celebrated the Eid ul Fitr
over
three days during which we experienced an unnecessary cold war within
the community. After that, for several recent years, ISNA followed the
Saudi decision in the interest of unity among Muslims. But finally, the
ISNA woke up to the folly of that decision.
The folly is that those who claim to have sighted the moon well ahead
of
its astronomical visibility (established by credible astronomers) are
either lying or making a mistake. This is what an eminent
Egyptian-American Muslim astronomer pointed out at a Southern
California
MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association) conference in the late 1990s (I
don’t recall the exact year), after demonstrating the scientific
determinism with which astronomers can predict the movement cycle of
the
moon.
This year’s Saudi claim of sighting the new moon when none in the world
has seen it is like telling us to believe that the broad daylight that
we see with our naked eyes is dark and deep midnight.
This is not the first time the Saudi authorities have unilaterally
declared the date of the Yaomul Arafah (the Day of Arafat) and the day
of Eid (alt. spelling ‘Id) based on astronomically incredible sighting
of the moon. In fact the Saudis are almost always one day ahead in
declaring the Ramadan, Eid ul Fitr, or Eid ul Adha.
Those who accept the Saudi decision without critical sensemaking argue
that the Eid has to be celebrated worldwide on the day after the Day of
Arafat. But chronologically, Muslims in the time of Prophet (SA) began
to celebrate Eid ul Adha in Medina before they could actually perform
the hajj, which means that there is no conditional link between the
two.
In addition, throughout the fourteen hundred years, until the late 20th
century, Muslims in the rest of the world, even those who lived just a
couple of hundred miles away in Medina, did not hear from the Makkans
about the exact day of Arafat or the Eid. They celebrated the Eid, as
the Prophet (SA) instructed, based on their own local sighting of the
crescent moon. This tradition of the Eid celebration is still valid in
the many Muslim countries. Muslims in Bangladesh, for example, are
celebrating this Eid on January 22, 2005 (Saturday), two days following
the Saudi celebration.
Today technology has brought us physically closer together. We watch
the
performance of the rites of the Hajj as they take place in Makkah on
television and feel inspired to synchronize our celebration with the
Makkans’. But this is historically untrue and logically or
theologically
questionable.
The Saudi authorities who make the key decisions and those who
illogically follow them have to keep in mind that their actions are
drifting the already fractured Muslim community further apart.
There is a way out of this mess we are in, and that is called shura or
consultation in Islam. The Saudi authorities have to wake up and
consult
the voices of reason—international Muslim scholars and
scientists—before
repeating these mistakes and thus further creating disunity among
Muslims. We, the Muslims in North America too have to wake up and see
how our sincere but rash actions are fracturing us further as a
community.
Dr. Mohammad Auwal, Associate Professor of Communication Studies at
California State University, Los Angeles.
i thought that it was eid ul fitr that wa done when the moon had been sighted and eid ul adha was the one straight after hajj
anywayz i'm celebrating eid on thursdayhttp://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49291&styleid=1
read this
Well my mum has bought all the food and told us Eid is tomorrow.
And as far as I'm concerned, Eid is when my mum makes all that food she's bought :banan:
http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49291&styleid=1
read that...if u dont tell ur mum the right day for eid, u will both do rong and she '(being ur mother) will get ur punishment too? do u want that???
If the Saudis used calculations then this is incorrect and Eid would be on Friday. However they have stated that witnesses came forward to testify that they had sighted the moon. Therefore in accordance with the hadith, the order to all Muslims globally is to have Eid on Thursday. In addition the reality of the birth of the new moon was present on Monday evening, so we can take the testimony of any sincere trustworthy Muslim.we cannot.
y?
because it can be proved that it was not VISIBLE
how is it possible, one witness saw it?
and by the way, how can u just trust this testimony?
the hadith u r talking abt, states MORE THAN ONE WITNESS and they have to be GUD PRACTISING MUSLIMS! i have not seen proof of that
and why did he take three days to say he say it?
http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49291&styleid=1
the devil must be laffing at our ummah right now!
Whats the post no.
i think u posted on that thread (something some gud info too)
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 02:43 PM
http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=49291&styleid=1
read that...if u dont tell ur mum the right day for eid, u will both do rong and she '(being ur mother) will get ur punishment too? do u want that???
Excuse me, but I don't think YOU have any right to tell me or decide what punishments my mother will get.
You can sit here and argue like a fool with everyone because it is in fact people like you who cause the disunity by making the whole thing a point of argument.
I however, will not argue with my family and celebrate Eid when my mother and father decide to celebrate it. They are the heads of my household and I will follow them and celebrate it and have a united family.
Enjoy your senseless arguing :banan:
InshaAllah, I will be enjoying my food.
Alhamdulillah!
Excuse me, but I don't think YOU have any right to tell me or decide what punishments my mother will get.
You can sit here and argue like a fool with everyone because it is in fact people like you who cause the disunity by making the whole thing a point of argument.
I however, will not argue with my family and celebrate Eid when my mother and father decide to celebrate it. They are the heads of my household and I will follow them and celebrate it and have a united family.
Enjoy your senseless arguing :banan:
InshaAllah, I will be enjoying my food.
Alhamdulillah!
the sin of the child goes to the parents....i didnt invent it....
and ok...im not forcing u to do eid...its my duty to tells u whats right..
are u doing eid for the pleasure of others? or for pleassure of allah.....?
if ur doing it for allah, then u wudnt ignore that facts,....
im sori if i was abit rude...i didnt mean to be..
Umm Layth
19-01-05, 02:52 PM
Excuse me, but I don't think YOU have any right to tell me or decide what punishments my mother will get.
You can sit here and argue like a fool with everyone because it is in fact people like you who cause the disunity by making the whole thing a point of argument.
I however, will not argue with my family and celebrate Eid when my mother and father decide to celebrate it. They are the heads of my household and I will follow them and celebrate it and have a united family.
Enjoy your senseless arguing :banan:
InshaAllah, I will be enjoying my food.
Alhamdulillah!
Excellent Point. Mashallah
Excellent Point. Mashallahi appologise again...it came out rong..
but do u really think my arguing is senseless..?
if so..i will stop...im sori...
Mr_Jailer
19-01-05, 03:18 PM
Excellent Point. Mashallah
Did you manage to get tomorrow off?
i appologise again...it came out rong..
but do u really think my arguing is senseless..?
if so..i will stop...im sori...Salam brother 1mran
Do not stop brother as you are quite right in pointing these things out. If you have been granted the knowledge then it is a sin not to pass it onto others. You are more elequent and more knowledgable than myself.
If you know someone is doing something wrong then you have to try and stop them from doing it physically or by the use of words.
Salam brother 1mran
Do not stop brother as you are quite right in pointing these things out. If you have been granted the knowledge then it is a sin not to pass it onto others. You are more elequent and more knowledgable than myself.
If you know someone is doing something wrong then you have to try and stop them from doing it physically or by the use of words.
Asalamalaikum bro,
jazakallah for that, but i only know what i have read...
no1 seems to want to change ther mind abt eid...
bro u know we can only deliver the message, its up to them to accept it...
in fact that reminds me of a hadith,
u know the prophet pbuh was such a great and knowledgeable man....but yet ther were some ppl that he cudnt convert...even some closest to him...
when he askd allah (swt) y was this, Allah(swt) told him not to forget he is only a messenger, Allah (swt) himself does the converting!
keep that in mind!
Allah knows best
walaikumsalam
Asalamalaikum sister
u r right abt not going agaist parents,
but its still our duty to tell them why eid shud be on friday.
remember, ur obligation is only to listen to parents if what they say is not against islam., but if they are rong dont go against them, try explain in a gud polite manner, if they still dont agree, then u just follow what u think is right...but what if god asks why did u follow one of my slaves when i have u the clear signs?.....
what i think u shud do is, sit ur family together explain to them what u have read and why u think it shud be the day u think.
in the end sis its not abt the day, its abt celebrating eid together as a family.
the last thing u wanna do is have eid on one day, while half of ur family wants to do it on a nother day.
im not gonna get the plessure of having eid with family or friends.....
my fam is in london, and my friends are going home..i cant because i have an exam...
sis, trust me....in the end...if u truly believe eid is on thrursday, then u shud all do it then..why, because ur intention is gud and thats what god will reward u on.
i pray everything gets sorted out at ur home and other borther and sisters homes....AMEEN
EID MUBARRAK EEVERY1
and allah knows best
Wasalamalaikum
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 09:56 PM
Sorry bro, just wanted to remove my post from this thread..
but thank you for yours and your advice.
Ssshh...
19-01-05, 10:11 PM
Well its not going to be much of a celebration for me.. im going to be working on eid :freedom:
I asked for the day off but they didnt give it to me :mad: .. hmm nevermind..
I'm doing eid on Friday (and im working 9-5! :mad: ) but they said if its quiet then we (me and mates) can go home so make dua its quiet at my work place so i can leave early and celebrate with the family! insha'Allah..
My parents have gone for hajj and told us to do eid on Thursday but local mosqs are saying Friday.. I'm going with the locals mosqs.. half my family are wanting to do it on thursday but i'l speak to them and explain why we should do it on Friday insha'Allah..
ooo i went and bought my likkle nephew and neice the most gorgeous outfits ever! :inlove: (sorry just had to share that with you)..
Sorry bro, just wanted to remove my post from this thread..
but thank you for yours and your advice.
Asalamalaikum,
its ok, do u want me to remove mine?
sis the best thing to do when u need help, is pray...one thing ive learnt in life is that no1 will ever truly be ther for u but allah (swt)...
Walaikumsalam
Well its not going to be much of a celebration for me.. im going to be working on eid :freedom:
I asked for the day off but they didnt give it to me :mad: .. hmm nevermind..
I'm doing eid on Friday (and im working 9-5! :mad: ) but they said if its quiet then we (me and mates) can go home so make dua its quiet at my work place so i can leave early and celebrate with the family! insha'Allah..
My parents have gone for hajj and told us to do eid on Thursday but local mosqs are saying Friday.. I'm going with the locals mosqs.. half my family are wanting to do it on thursday but i'l speak to them and explain why we should do it on Friday insha'Allah..
ooo i went and bought my likkle nephew and neice the most gorgeous outfits ever! :inlove: (sorry just had to share that with you)..lolz..awwww...
the only thing that gets me excited in eid is that i get to c my sweet niece...
its like when ur have the worst 5 years....she comes running into ur arms...and that smile....is sooooo angelic.....it makes alll ur pain and saddness go away :)...awww man....i wish i get to c her this eid...
u have work..
i have a 9 am exam :S..
lol..and its 2 and a half hours..
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 10:22 PM
No bro, your post was fine, don't worry about it.. I just thought I said too much and now things have changed at my house anyway :confused:
and good luck with your exam :) May Allah(swt) give you success. Ameen.
No bro, your post was fine, don't worry about it.. I just thought I said too much and now things have changed at my house anyway :confused:
and good luck with your exam :) May Allah(swt) give you success. Ameen.
jazakallah khair :)
Ssshh...
19-01-05, 10:34 PM
lolz..awwww...
the only thing that gets me excited in eid is that i get to c my sweet niece...
its like when ur have the worst 5 years....she comes running into ur arms...and that smile....is sooooo angelic.....it makes alll ur pain and saddness go away :)...awww man....i wish i get to c her this eid...
:up: yeh definately.. you can be soooo :mad: but as soon as they say something cute or just smile they soon have you laughing away with them :)
the nicest is when I come home from work or uni and they say ashalaamalaykum (in their cute lil voices lol)
I'm rubbish at exams.. but may Allah (swt) grant you success in yours, Ameen :)
dilemma...first one..not sure of that spelling..
annnnd...if i dont do eid tomorrow...do i fast tomorrow?:S
good im glad cause i have friday off and it will give me time to study for my biology and history finals
dilemma...first one..not sure of that spelling..
annnnd...if i dont do eid tomorrow...do i fast tomorrow?:S
Salam Brother
I know it's a bit late now but I am fasting today as this is what i believe to be correct.
Inshaallah my fast will be accepted.
Your spelling is correct.
http://www.alwatan.com.sa/daily/2005-01-20/writers/writers04.htm
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