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Accorrding to this:
http://www.islamonline.net/English/News/2005-01/15/article01.shtml
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Now I'm getting confused.
Now I'm getting confused.
tell me about it
Yup, it's been confirmed by these people who decided stuff. It's definitely on Thursday! ;)
ZawjatuRaafi
15-01-05, 07:41 PM
tell me about itTha makes three of us UGH it really messes with the feeling of excitement of the celebration ya know all this confusion all the time. My kids school is out on friday and half day thursday now I wonder if all that will have to change as well subhanaa Allah...
What a fine mess we've got ourselves into! The muslim ummah should be more organised! :)
ZawjatuRaafi
15-01-05, 07:46 PM
agreed!
*laughs bitterly*
I never thought that something as simple as a moon-sighting can be so complicated, subhan Allah. It seemed like the whole world agreed on Friday- now we all have to make preps for Eid on Thursday (ermm.. that is those who are going to go by what Saudi has recently announced. I was just reading some posts w/mention that some local masajid saying it's Fri, after the announcement :shock: ) Our local masjid has agreed on Eid being Thursday.
~Ayah
Its silly there's even a discussion about when who's masjid said what and on what day...those who've announced it on friday... will they have their youm Arafah 24 hrs after the pilgrims done it?
Assalam alaikum,
I gotta say I do find this a bit silly. This towns followin' Saudi, that town's followin' the this council thing . . . . . The moon can't be that mind-boggling! We gotta all do it at the same time! :)
yeh it is quite confusing but i think its split here...half doing it on Thurs. other 1/2 on Fri :|
yeh it is quite confusing but i think its split here...half doing it on Thurs. other 1/2 on Fri :|asalamalaikum
i thought the evidence i brought ahead was clear?
neway, i pray allah opens every1s heart and eyes in this world...
and allah knows best
The Saudi Hajj Decision Rifts American Muslims
Dr. Mohammad A. Auwal
According to Arab News (Jeddah, January 15, 2005), Sheikh Abdul Rahman Al-Sudais, the imam of the Grand Mosque in Makkah has urged Muslims to unite to alleviate suffering of Muslims worldwide. I appreciate this call as it speaks to the hearts and minds of Muslims everywhere. Unfortunately, however, his country’s incredible decisions are doing just the opposite—dividing Muslims even on the matters of worship in which there is universal agreement.
I am referring the recent Saudi decision about that Day of Arafat (the main day of the Hajj) as well as the day of Eid ul Adha (Festival of Sacrifice) and the rift and pain it has caused among Muslims especially in North America.
Earlier, the Saudi Hajj authority and the Moon Sighting Committee of the Islamic Society of North America (ISNA), an umbrella organization for North American Muslim organizations, declared that January 12, 2005, would be the beginning of the Zul Hijjah (12th month of the Hijri calendar), and accordingly, Eid ul Adha would be celebrated on January 21, 2005 (Friday).
On January 14, however, the Saudi authority stunned us by announcing that the Day of Arafat would be January 19 and the Eid ul Adha on January 20. The Saudi authority reportedly advanced the Eid celebration by one day based on moon sighting claims by two persons on January 10. But astronomical data make their claims clearly unbelievable.
As reported in www.Moonsighting.com, on January 10 it was impossible for anyone to see the new moon anywhere on earth except possibly in Chile and Polynesian islands. The new moon was born at 12:03 Universal Time on that day and was barely 3 hours old in Saudi Arabia where it set 3 minutes before the sunset.
Put simply, if a trace of the new moon is sighted in Saudi Arabia, we in the North and the West coasts of the U.S. should be able to have a better view of that moon because we are ahead of the Saudis in its growth trajectory. Nobody has reported sighting the moon on January 10, 2005 anywhere on earth. So, ISNA has found the Saudi moon sighting report unbelievable and stuck to its earlier decision to celebrate the Eid on January 21.
But many American mosques are ignoring the ISNA decisions and blindly following the Saudi decision ironically in the name of global Muslim unity.
I have noticed since the early 1990s how decisions on Ramadan and the Hajj dates taken in Makkah divide and create conflict among Muslims in the U.S. In one year (possibly 1992), we celebrated the Eid ul Fitr over three days during which we experienced an unnecessary cold war within the community. After that, for several recent years, ISNA followed the Saudi decision in the interest of unity among Muslims. But finally, the ISNA woke up to the folly of that decision.
The folly is that those who claim to have sighted the moon well ahead of its astronomical visibility (established by credible astronomers) are either lying or making a mistake. This is what an eminent Egyptian-American Muslim astronomer pointed out at a Southern California MAYA (Muslim Arab Youth Association) conference in the late 1990s (I don’t recall the exact year), after demonstrating the scientific determinism with which astronomers can predict the movement cycle of the moon.
This year’s Saudi claim of sighting the new moon when none in the world has seen it is like telling us to believe that the broad daylight that we see with our naked eyes is dark and deep midnight.
This is not the first time the Saudi authorities have unilaterally declared the date of the Yaomul Arafah (the Day of Arafat) and the day of Eid (alt. spelling ‘Id) based on astronomically incredible sighting of the moon. In fact the Saudis are almost always one day ahead in declaring the Ramadan, Eid ul Fitr, or Eid ul Adha.
Those who accept the Saudi decision without critical sensemaking argue that the Eid has to be celebrated worldwide on the day after the Day of Arafat. But chronologically, Muslims in the time of Prophet (SA) began to celebrate Eid ul Adha in Medina before they could actually perform the hajj, which means that there is no conditional link between the two.
In addition, throughout the fourteen hundred years, until the late 20th century, Muslims in the rest of the world, even those who lived just a couple of hundred miles away in Medina, did not hear from the Makkans about the exact day of Arafat or the Eid. They celebrated the Eid, as the Prophet (SA) instructed, based on their own local sighting of the crescent moon. This tradition of the Eid celebration is still valid in the many Muslim countries. Muslims in Bangladesh, for example, are celebrating this Eid on January 22, 2005 (Saturday), two days following the Saudi celebration.
Today technology has brought us physically closer together. We watch the performance of the rites of the Hajj as they take place in Makkah on television and feel inspired to synchronize our celebration with the Makkans’. But this is historically untrue and logically or theologically questionable.
The Saudi authorities who make the key decisions and those who illogically follow them have to keep in mind that their actions are drifting the already fractured Muslim community further apart.
There is a way out of this mess we are in, and that is called shura or consultation in Islam. The Saudi authorities have to wake up and consult the voices of reason—international Muslim scholars and scientists—before repeating these mistakes and thus further creating disunity among Muslims. We, the Muslims in North America too have to wake up and see how our sincere but rash actions are fracturing us further as a community.
Dr. Mohammad Auwal, Associate Professor of Communication Studies at California State University, Los Angeles.
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 07:37 PM
Its silly there's even a discussion about when who's masjid said what and on what day...those who've announced it on friday... will they have their youm Arafah 24 hrs after the pilgrims done it?It's not about Makkah or day of arafat.. it's about moon sighting and following your local masjid.
Allahu Alim.
all month i been hearing its on friday and then 2day before im told its a thursday, im fed up of it,same thing every year!!
Chained_Water
19-01-05, 07:42 PM
Tell me about it sis.
But I think everything would be OK if everyone knew that the scholars all say you should follow your LOCAL mosques.
Then it would NOT matter what mosque's say what.. everyone would know what to do and there would be no confusion!
i pesonally think these so called local mosaques are in competition with each other and are always wanting to out do each other, so if one says friday, even if the other was GOING to say friday they will say THUSDAY,
what are we supposed to do?
i think everyone is gonna end up doing it over 2-3 days
i pesonally think these so called local mosaques are in competition with each other and are always wanting to out do each other, so if one says friday, even if the other was GOING to say friday they will say THUSDAY,
what are we supposed to do?
i think everyone is gonna end up doing it over 2-3 daysasalamalaikum
i totally agree with u sister,
what we need is somkind of 'moonsighting commitee'
not just for eid, but for alll months..
the commitee shud have a gud reliable scholar, an astronomer..etc...
it cant he hard to do...
the problem with local mosques is that,.....some of them dont even know Y they are doing eid on a certain day...its all abt' that mosque is doing in on this day and so we shud do it this day or that...''
it spoils the spirit of eid and the joy away.
the real problem is saudi arabia..
the damn stubborn king decided that he wud use a fixed calender for four years....thats why they seem to have strange odd days...
in islam we base on moonsighting..nothing else...
if u ask me, brothers and sisters shud ignore the public now...other wise this wont end...end joy the day with ur family..thats what matters...
allah knows best
walaikumsalam
asalamalaikum
i totally agree with u sister,
what we need is somkind of 'moonsighting commitee'
not just for eid, but for alll months..
the commitee shud have a gud reliable scholar, an astronomer..etc...
it cant he hard to do...
the problem with local mosques is that,.....some of them dont even know Y they are doing eid on a certain day...its all abt' that mosque is doing in on this day and so we shud do it this day or that...''
it spoils the spirit of eid and the joy away.
the real problem is saudi arabia..
the damn stubborn king decided that he wud use a fixed calender for four years....thats why they seem to have strange odd days...
in islam we base on moonsighting..nothing else...
if u ask me, brothers and sisters shud ignore the public now...other wise this wont end...end joy the day with ur family..thats what matters...
allah knows best
walaikumsalam
yes your right and let everyone pray for all our brothers and sisters suffering in the world,witht he evil that has spread.
May Allah ease the suffering of our brothers and sisters and grant jannah to those lives lost, may he forgive evryones sins and guide us all on the right path and give us the inner strength to stop falling onto the wrong. Ameen.
yes your right and let everyone pray for all our brothers and sisters suffering in the world,witht he evil that has spread.
May Allah ease the suffering of our brothers and sisters and grant jannah to those lives lost, may he forgive evryones sins and guide us all on the right path and give us the inner strength to stop falling onto the wrong. Ameen.
Ameen
Mr_Jailer
20-01-05, 09:30 AM
Insha'allah this will be my last post on this thread.
I performed the Eid salat today alhumdulillah.
The khutbah given was brill :up:
But to stay on topic, I'll just mention the relevant bit.
On the 29th night, the majority never saw the hilaal. So accordin' to the sunnah, the month is to be completed.
However, 3 reliable and trustworthy chaps did see it, but they never told anyone.
Why?
'Cos they had assumed everyone had seen it. So when the dates after the first day weren't changed they were surprised and thought someone would mention it the second day.
After the second day, the dates still hadn't changed upon the hilal sighting, so on the third day they decided to go and report it themseleves.
Accordin' to the sunnah when s/o reports the sightin' of the moon, then the new month begins.
And if the witnesses who testified in Allah swt when they declared the sightin' were lyin' and attemptin' to mislead 1 billion muslims, Allah swt would surely destroy them.
The dates were then changed. And this was the right Islamic thin' to do, Allahu alim. We know there will always be an error of one or two days... so can't say it was unexpected.
Last month there were 29 days. And today is 10th Dhul-Hijjah. And today is the Day of Sacrifice.
Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar, La illaha illallahu Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar wa lillah hil hamd.
Eid Mubarak :D
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*IslamicGirl*
20-01-05, 09:38 AM
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:salams
To my blessed ummah out there... :hidban:EID MUBARAK:banbear:
THESE ARE THE DAYS OF EID!! ~ Br Dawud Wharnsby Ali Lyrics
Eid 4 us is 2mo, our mosque is doing it 2mo as well.
:salams
Insha'allah this will be my last post on this thread.
I performed the Eid salat today alhumdulillah.
The khutbah given was brill :up:
But to stay on topic, I'll just mention the relevant bit.
On the 29th night, the majority never saw the hilaal. So accordin' to the sunnah, the month is to be completed.
However, 3 reliable and trustworthy chaps did see it, but they never told anyone.
Why?
'Cos they had assumed everyone had seen it. So when the dates after the first day weren't changed they were surprised and thought someone would mention it the second day.
After the second day, the dates still hadn't changed upon the hilal sighting, so on the third day they decided to go and report it themseleves.
Accordin' to the sunnah when s/o reports the sightin' of the moon, then the new month begins.
And if the witnesses who testified in Allah swt when they declared the sightin' were lyin' and attemptin' to mislead 1 billion muslims, Allah swt would surely destroy them.
The dates were then changed. And this was the right Islamic thin' to do, Allahu alim. We know there will always be an error of one or two days... so can't say it was unexpected.
Last month there were 29 days. And today is 10th Dhul-Hijjah. And today is the Day of Sacrifice.
Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar, La illaha illallahu Allahu Akbar Allahu Akbar wa lillah hil hamd.
Eid Mubarak :D
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theyr are lieing....
do u not understand it was not possible to c the moon?!?!?!??!
3 guyz out of every1 in the world saw it...hmmm.....
comonsense doesnt seem to be that common no more...
and that 'assuming'...yeh what a story...if they wer gonna assume..then why look for the moon?...
neway bro...leave it
eid muburrak :D hope u have a great day :)
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