Are opposite extremes equally as bad?

[RisingPhoinex]

God has no opposite, that is what it says in the Qu'ran. This means that God rather than being an extreme is a balance. It is my oppinion that any extreme, is wrong and two extremes that are opposites are equally so.

AN example is Pacifism and Terrorism. The Pacifist is one who allows the Terrorisdt to continoue his actions without objection. The terrorist is the one who takes adnatage of the Pacificts concent. Aren't they equally as bad. One takes life while the other allows it to be taken. When examined truly what is greter 7 or -7. When they combine does either come out on top?

These are rather unique examples. For a rather lighter one let me tell you about my aunt and her husband. My aunt prays 5 times a day and also prays each prayer atleast 3 to 5 times. This because of her fear that she has made a mistake. But God has provided a means for us to not have to do that. She does not take advantage of, for the lack of a better term, the 'two extra sudjas'. My uncle on the other hande prays only sprodaicly. Which is better? One who expects nothing but wrath from God or one who expects nothing but mercy.

Thanks,
RP

[RisingPhoinex]

I know I posted this in the wrong section but plese answer this. SOMEONE!!!!!!

[ponderingstar]

who are we to say? i suppose ideally both would read five times a day and just that. I think the rest is between them and Allah.

[RisingPhoinex]

I know the ideal. But is there any way to determine which is worse. My logic dictates that they are equally as bad but my heart thinks that my aunt is better off than my uncle. But then my mind again come in and says that fearing God as mercyless is reeeeaaly bad, since God is so merciful. Then....Anyway you can se my dilema. I just need as answe fast. I'm about spontaniously combost.....10...9...8...7...see ya...6

[ponderingstar]

you dont need an answer fast at all. there's no court case, there no judge. WHat do you care what your aunt and uncle do and dont do? We are not in a position to judge who is better, that is just silly.

Just remember that in Islam EVERYTHING you do should be in the name of Allah. Yes it is logical and beautiful but everything ultimatley is done with the intention that you are doing it for Allah. If you give a beggar money or help and old lady across the road or help a spider find its way outside.... yadda yadda it's all for Allah. It's not to do with your pride or your desires or what you see right and wrong. Pride is very dangerous in Islam. Giving your self importance is dangerous. This is the Islamic way of thinking. This is the ideal and not many people acheive these things. To learn about the religion is one thing but to attempt to appropraite it to your needs and convenience is another.

you could start to question, oh well why do we have to pray five times a day facing the kabba? It is not to do with what is logical, it is because our purpose is to worship Allah. It is not Allah's need or desire that we should worship him. Allah does not need us. However we have been given this purpose.

[RisingPhoinex]

you could start to question, oh well why do we have to pray five times a day facing the kabba? It is not to do with what is logical, it is because our purpose is to worship Allah. It is not Allah's need or desire that we should worship him. Allah does not need us. However we have been given this purpose.
You see because their is a 'because' then their is a reason and if their is a reason then it is logical. Islam is a logical relegion. In the Qu'ran it tells you to use your reason. We are the created and it is our purpose toserve the creator.

[AbuMubarak]

from a person who doesnt accept the words of Allah, the words of his messenger, the words of the companions, the words of scholars

why do you even bother asking questions on an islamic forum?

do you expect us to appeal to your intellect?
change your opinion?
give out free lobotomies?

[RisingPhoinex]

[QUOTE=ponderingstar]you dont need an answer fast at all. there's no court case, there no judge. WHat do you care what your aunt and uncle do and dont do? We are not in a position to judge who is better, that is just silly.[QUOTE]

Well it might be silly I still want an answer. I was joking. Yes it really doesn't matter but that doesn't mean that I shouldn't try to find the answer. But you see that if the two are equally as bad than this can applie to so many things and show us how they two are Haram. Like I mentioned Terrorism is evil yet is Pacifism better.

Male dominating cultures were flawed so is feminism wrong to? I think so.

This is not just a matter of my aunt and my uncle it is a matter of if thwo extremes are equally as bad.

Thanks,
Rp

[AbuMubarak]

male dominated cultures????

are you a sister?

hold on

[AbuMubarak]

ok

[RisingPhoinex]

male dominated cultures????

are you a sister?

hold on
No but why does big Orthadox Muslim man insist on being a hypocryt and being a mean guy to his brother Muslim.

[ponderingstar]

RP if you're making a point about two couteracting extremes being bad thats cool.

but asking people to make judgement between two wrongs is just all opinion and not much else.

Allah knows best:up:

[Ebony]

give out free lobotomies?
We do need a few of them passed out around here..

[AbuMubarak]

No but why does big Orthadox Muslim man insist on being a hypocryt and being a mean guy to his brother Muslim.obviously you have no idea of what the term, hypocrite means from a deeni perspective

secondly, my muslim brothers are those who believe in Allah and His Messenger, not those who twist quran and sunnah

i dont know anyone on this board, so my acceptance of them is based upon their words either in support of islam or against it

just because someone says they are muslim, doesnt mean they are muslim

thus, if a muslim says that i believe in Allah and His Messenger, but then contradicts Allah and His Messenger, he is not a muslim (and i am not talking about actions or sins)

i would much rather be a muslim brother to a muslim who drinks alcohol and admits that alcohol is haram, then to someone who drinks alcohol and tells me that alcohol is halal

one is my brother, whom i love, the other is something else, of which i am free of

[RisingPhoinex]

obviously you have no idea of what the term, hypocrite means from a deeni perspective

secondly, my muslim brothers are those who believe in Allah and His Messenger, not those who twist quran and sunnah

i dont know anyone on this board, so my acceptance of them is based upon their words either in support of islam or against it

just because someone says they are muslim, doesnt mean they are muslim

thus, if a muslim says that i believe in Allah and His Messenger, but then contradicts Allah and His Messenger, he is not a muslim (and i am not talking about actions or sins)

i would much rather be a muslim brother to a muslim who drinks alcohol and admits that alcohol is haram, then to someone who drinks alcohol and tells me that alcohol is halal

one is my brother, whom i love, the other is something else, of which i am free of
A hypocrite is hypocrite from any perspective. Secondly If if twist Qu'ran and Sunnah to my needs ten aren't you twisting them the other way?

THirdlyof the two drinkers you mentioned one is a hypocrite and the second is in need of guidance. You'd rather be brothers with the hypocrite?

That explains a lot.

Anyway, is Islam you are required to be nice to all people despite their dean. I'm Muslim. Yet even if I was not, you are still a hypocrite.

[Naida]

It's nice to see that people are still passing out verdicts on others' characters.

Rising Ammature, grow up.

Abu Mubarak is probably twice your age. Show some respect.

And, while you're at it, stop trusting your intellect and opinions so much for indeed they have led many people before you astray. Why you continue to believe that you're the exception is beyond me.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

God has no opposite, that is what it says in the Qu'ran. This means that God rather than being an extreme is a balance. It is my oppinion that any extreme, is wrong and two extremes that are opposites are equally so.

AN example is Pacifism and Terrorism. The Pacifist is one who allows the Terrorisdt to continoue his actions without objection. The terrorist is the one who takes adnatage of the Pacificts concent. Aren't they equally as bad. One takes life while the other allows it to be taken. When examined truly what is greter 7 or -7. When they combine does either come out on top?

These are rather unique examples. For a rather lighter one let me tell you about my aunt and her husband. My aunt prays 5 times a day and also prays each prayer atleast 3 to 5 times. This because of her fear that she has made a mistake. But God has provided a means for us to not have to do that. She does not take advantage of, for the lack of a better term, the 'two extra sudjas'. My uncle on the other hande prays only sprodaicly. Which is better? One who expects nothing but wrath from God or one who expects nothing but mercy.

Thanks,
RP
Humans are prone to error.....

This question isnt life dependant, therefore i dont see the need to hurry..

Its your aunts and uncle's business, not yours, so stay out of it.

You leave the judging to Allah.

[RisingPhoinex]

It's nice to see that people are still passing out verdicts on others' characters.

Rising Ammature, grow up.

Abu Mubarak is probably twice your age. Show some respect.

And, while you're at it, stop trusting your intellect and opinions so much for indeed they have led many people before you astray. Why you continue to believe that you're the exception is beyond me.
Well I wouldn't pass out verdicts unless some one passed one out on me. Aby Mubarak did do that, I see no need to rerspect some one like that. Anyway I will respect him as long as he does me. He attacked me once I retaliated. We are even if he continoues I will as well.

[RisingPhoinex]

Humans are prone to error.....

This question isnt life dependant, therefore i dont see the need to hurry..

Its your aunts and uncle's business, not yours, so stay out of it.

You leave the judging to Allah.
I was joking about it being a hurry as i already explained. As I also said it is about my aunt and uncle but the question is a more genral and applies to many concepts. And if I should stay out of their buisness then shouldn't you stay out of mine? I'm not trying to judge anyone (though many seem to have judged me here). Lastly I do leave the judging to Allah but if I am curious then I will seek to satisfy my curiosity. I you have a problem with that, oh well.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

I was joking about it being a hurry as i already explained. As I also said it is about my aunt and uncle but the question is a more genral and applies to many concepts. And if I should stay out of their buisness then shouldn't you stay out of mine? I'm not trying to judge anyone (though many seem to have judged me here). Lastly I do leave the judging to Allah but if I am curious then I will seek to satisfy my curiosity. I you have a problem with that, oh well.End of the day, that curiousity isnt gonna get you nowhere. You leave other people to what they wanna do and focus on yourself.


And if I should stay out of their buisness then shouldn't you stay out of mine?
Then why post up here if your gonna give stupid responses like that...grow up.

The fact that you come to a forum for advice. And when people give you advice you reject it....Then is there even a point in asking the question if your views remain the same after the discussion?

[RisingPhoinex]

End of the day, that curiousity isnt gonna get you nowhere. You leave other people to what they wanna do and focus on yourself.

Then why post up here if your gonna give stupid responses like that...grow up.

The fact that you come to a forum for advice. And when people give you advice you reject it....Then is there even a point in asking the question if your views remain the same after the discussion?
Like I said I you wanna give advice then you better follow it as well. i don't mind people telling me to mind my buisness but they should mind their own as well.

Secondly i see you stubornly refuse to answer the question or listen to me when I tell you that I don't ask this questin to pass judgement but to find a broader relation between extremes.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Like I said I you wanna give advice then you better follow it as well. i don't mind people telling me to mind my buisness but they should mind their own as well.It really depends on the situation doesnt it?

Secondly i see you stubornly refuse to answer the question or listen to me when I tell you that I don't ask this questin to pass judgement but to find a broader relation between extremes.Well, good luck on ur quest....

[RisingPhoinex]

It really depends on the situation doesnt it?

Well, good luck on ur quest....
I agree and thanks.

[Muslimah006]

Salamualkuma wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu,



InshAllah Kair this reaches you all in the best of health and more importantly iman.



I must admit that its heartbreaking seeing muslim on muslim anger, as muslims we should mean more to each other than to be easily annoyed with one another. Imagine your younger sibling constantly told you lies he/she considered jokes, however, this proved to be a great annoyance to you. Now imagine someone outside of your family, perhaps an acquaintance did this to you. Would you receive these two ppl in the same manner? Would you not take patience for your sibling and try for the sake of blood ties to be patient and set them aright out of the love you hold for them? Would you not try to conceal their ill manners and aid them in reforming their ways?



If one of your Muslim bros/sis says something or does something you personally don't agree with you should think of ways of helping them be set straight rather than ganging up on them or putting them down. InshAllah, Allah is the best Judge btw us all.



Anyways...back on topic,lol. About your uncle vs. aunt situation....hmmmm...well I suppose as humans we are always limited to our single bias perspective so there usually isn't a point in understanding the psychological nature of men/women.



But brother, I can tell you that the prophet (sas) did say that islam is a moderate religion. I'm sorry if i'm not relating this properly, but on the night journey the Prophet(pbuh) took there was a point in time when he was presented with three different drinks, one i believe bismillAllah, was water, and one milk and one milk with honey( can some1 clarifiy if this indeed is the third drink, my memory fails me on this) . The Prophet(pbuh) was told to choose his drink of choice. He chose the milk since it was the moderate drink and Islam is a moderate religion. So, it can be stated that over zealousness is not appreciated in Islam nor is being too lax.





N e ways I'm taking up a lot of space, so I'll end here. Inshallah take care.

W'salam

muslimah

[RisingPhoinex]

Salamualkuma wa Rahmatullahi wa Barakatu,



InshAllah Kair this reaches you all in the best of health and more importantly iman.



I must admit that its heartbreaking seeing muslim on muslim anger, as muslims we should mean more to each other than to be easily annoyed with one another. Imagine your younger sibling constantly told you lies he/she considered jokes, however, this proved to be a great annoyance to you. Now imagine someone outside of your family, perhaps an acquaintance did this to you. Would you receive these two ppl in the same manner? Would you not take patience for your sibling and try for the sake of blood ties to be patient and set them aright out of the love you hold for them? Would you not try to conceal their ill manners and aid them in reforming their ways?



If one of your Muslim bros/sis says something or does something you personally don't agree with you should think of ways of helping them be set straight rather than ganging up on them or putting them down. InshAllah, Allah is the best Judge btw us all.



Anyways...back on topic,lol. About your uncle vs. aunt situation....hmmmm...well I suppose as humans we are always limited to our single bias perspective so there usually isn't a point in understanding the psychological nature of men/women.



But brother, I can tell you that the prophet (sas) did say that islam is a moderate religion. I'm sorry if i'm not relating this properly, but on the night journey the Prophet(pbuh) took there was a point in time when he was presented with three different drinks, one i believe bismillAllah, was water, and one milk and one milk with honey( can some1 clarifiy if this indeed is the third drink, my memory fails me on this) . The Prophet(pbuh) was told to choose his drink of choice. He chose the milk since it was the moderate drink and Islam is a moderate religion. So, it can be stated that over zealousness is not appreciated in Islam nor is being too lax.





N e ways I'm taking up a lot of space, so I'll end here. Inshallah take care.

W'salam

muslimah

Thank you Sister i did not know of that hadith about the drinks. It was very helpful. Thanks for your understanding and willingness to discuss te given issue instead of attacking the scenario.