Islam and the supernatural

[ponderingstar]

My Parents are from Pakistan and i think there is quite a tendency for people of desi culture to take the supernatural a little too seriously.

I would like to know how much such beliefs are related to what we know of the supernatural through the quran and hadith and how much is just plain ol' bidet?

I understand that there is acknowledgement of Jinn and Black magic in Islam but to what extent are these factors considered to impinge on our reality and what can we do about them?

Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable? How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?

I know someone that told me he went to a bazurq who told him that he may very well have "balayain" in him!!! does anyone know why very some very religious people seem to always be handing out such information and is it right or wrong? I think it is very easy for people who feel their life is in turmoil despite their commitment to Islam to turn to these beliefs.

Certain religious men tell people to get up in the middle of the night to repeat certain verses in the Quran a certain number of times to get rid of curses etc. Just wanted to know what people thought of these practices. I understand that reading the Quran is all good but it just sometimes seems that these men are always find curses on anyone who goes for their help. It's all rather strange though since the MAJORITY of these men do not ask for payment nor monetary contributions.

Also someone told me the other day that it is possible and permissable for a human to marry a jinn!!!:eek:

I would also be very interested to learn of any other cultures that have similar beliefs or superstitions.

[ponderingstar]

AHEM! any knowledgable peeps around?.. or are you scared of such talk?:nervous:

[lonely_me]

I'll try to answer you based on the little knowledge I have.... excuse my ignorance, I'm just a still-learning-muslimah ...not a scholar...

Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable?

I'm not sure whether I got you right... but do you mean by "thaveez" what people wear as a means of protection from evil eye, jinns and stuff....charms that is? if that's the case then the answer is WRONG WRONG WRONG. One should NEVER wear/carry/drink/sleep on such things thinking they'd protect him/her...in fact scholars says it's a kind of Shirk. (as there are different kinds of Shirk)


How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?


again...not sure of what is 'nazzar'...but do you mean 'evil eye'??? if yes...then it's mentioned in many surat... it's a fact. In Surah kahf, Qalam and Falaq...it's all mentioned there...
in Surah Qalam Allah says " And the Unbelievers would almost trip thee up with their eyes when they hear the Message; and they say: "Surely he is possessed!"

so in that ayah when the kuffar heard about the Prophet's message and heard the Quran they were trying ' intentionally' to put 'nazzar' on the prophet and the Muslims.

Then in Surah Kahf :"Why didst thou not, as thou wentest into thy garden, say: 'Allah's will (be done)! There is no power but with Allah.' If thou dost see me less than thee in wealth and sons,"

now this is a Quranic remedy... one of the two men put 'nazzar' on himself...had he said Masha'Allah ( Allah's will be done) nothing wrong would have happened. But he didn't... therefore he lost his garden... and you know the rest of the story.

The last of ayat I know of is Al-falaq...which is also a Quranic remedy where which Allah says:
[113:1] Say, "I seek refuge in the Lord of daybreak.
[113:2] "From the evils among His creations.
[113:3] "From the evils of darkness as it falls.
[113:4] "From the evils of the troublemakers.
[113:5] "From the evils of the envious when they envy."

So some people can be envious and have evil in them. But we shouldn't forget that Allah is the One who permits any thing to happen to people and Allah does not permit this to happen except for those who forget about
HIM.

[64:11] Nothing happens to you except in accordance with GOD's will. Anyone who believes in GOD, He will guide his heart. GOD is fully aware of all things.

Gotta take a breath and continue in some other post... lol...

[ponderingstar]

thank you!
A "thaveez" is something in which these bazurq types write something from the Quran and then wrap it in a cloth and sew it up for the person to carry around with them. (either round their necks although sometimes like in the case of a 'mysterious' headache they might give you one on a pin to wear on your head.) I think it started originally in places such as pakistan where there are MANY illiterate people who are Muslim but cannot read the Quran. Surely this is bidet no? I mean i would like to know if it is or not.

I mean i do not really see what very poor illiterate people can do but i suppose the root still goes to whether people shuold be reading SPECIFIC verses in the Quran specified by someone who is considered a knowledgeable 'bazurq'. because if they should, then that is what would lead poor illiterates to carry around these verses in a tiny peice of cloth.

Also reading verses from the quran and blowing on water. then giving the water to someone who is ill/has a 'curse' or "nazaar" on them. These type of things are VERY common in desi culture and people who consider themselves and are considered VERY knowledgable and pious practice such things. I have asked these questions to them and they claim they are all fine and work against these supernatural elements.

i am suspicious, (because i see too many people who seem to blame these curses for all the problems in their life, when they don't realise that problems are a part of life.) and would like to know more.

[lonely_me]

well... yeah I got it...but now again...you speak of 'bazurq' ...ermmm... I know what you saying but you use such strange terms. Concerning how the Quran is a remedy.. well... the prophet encourages the Muslims to read certain Surat like:
1) Surah Fatiha is a cure from every illness. (Darmi, Bahiqi)
2) Do not make your home a graveyard, the Shaitan runs from the home in which Surah Baqrah is recited. (Sahih Muslim)
3) Whoever memorized the first ten ayahs of Surah Kahf will be saved the Dajjal. (Sahih Muslim)
4) Whoever recites Surah Kahf on the day of Jummah, there will be a Nur brightened for him between two Jummahs.
5) Everything has a heart and the heart of the Quran is Surah Yaseen, whoever read Yaseen, Allah will write the reward of reading the Quran ten times from him. (Tirmizi and Darmi)
6) Whoever reads Surah Yaseen for the pleasure of Allah, his past sins will be forgiven so read this near your deceased. (Bahiqi)
7) (Reading) Qul hu WAllahu Ahad (Surah Ikhlas) is equal to [reading] one third of the Quran.
8) Whoever read Ayatul Kursi after every Fard Salah, he will be under the protection and security of Allah. (Dailmi on the Authority of Sayeduna Ali)
9) (On the Day of Judgement) a caller will say O Recitor of Surah Inaam, come to Jannat for loving Surah Inaam and its recitation.
10) Surah Tabarak (Surah Mulk) saves one from Hell.
11) Whatever task is not begun with Bismillahi Rahamni Raheen remains incomplete and unfinished.

reciting a specified verse or supplication and then passing the right hand over the body of the ill person by a professional healer or even sometimes normal people is called 'Ruqya'. And is acceptable as the hadith says:
A'isha reported, "When any person amongst us fell ill, Allah's Messenger (SAWS) used to rub him with his right hand and then say: O Lord of the people, grant him health, heal him, for Thou art a Greet Healer. There is no healer, but with Thy healing Power one is healed and illness is removed."
Now concerning taking money when doing Ruqya...there's another Hadith that says: "The Prophet (SAWS) allowed the treatment of poisonous
sting with Ruqya" and, "that Allah's apostle said, that you are most entitled to take wages for doing a Ruqya with Allah's Book." thus granting ruqya (healing with prayer) a professional status.


Yet personally, I witnessed such things where some healers do strange stuff and take large sums of money which making the whole thing sort of a trade.... anyway... hope I answered some of your q's...

[ponderingstar]

yeah the terms are all desi (indo/pak) in origin. since i grew up in england i don't even know whatthey mean. I think a Bazurq is just some "holyman" although i don't know. i find it strange.


thanks for the info and the references i'm gonna copy and paste and look them up one day....

[lonely_me]

Aha... that explains it... should I learn Urdu or Hindi?...perhaps Tamil?

[ponderingstar]

urdu and hindi are almost interchangeable so if you learn "bollywood" hindi (which is very urdu due to it being somewhat ruled by muslims) i think you'd get by. Tamil may be useful also but tamil food isn't as nice as pakistani food. (unless you dislike spices and love cocunut milk)

In fact here's your first lesson:

Aaap kaesee hay?
how are you? (to a woman)

:D

[lonely_me]

urdu and hindi are almost interchangeable so if you learn "bollywood" hindi (which is very urdu due to it being somewhat ruled by muslims) i think you'd get by. Tamil may be useful also but tamil food isn't as nice as pakistani food. (unless you dislike spices and love cocunut milk)

In fact here's your first lesson:

Aaap kaesee hay?
how are you? (to a woman)

:D

mein teek hoo, meri jaan... ( I ain't completely ignorant of the Indian civilization and all the languages spoken there... got a history with that...*sighs* :rolleyes: ... )

[Baby Paw]

Before you go to sleep does one not recite surah Al Falaq, Surah Al Nas, Ayat Ul Kursi and other surah and dua and then blow on themselves and across the room?

I know I do this and via the protection of Allah, I usually get a peaceful nights sleep.

It's when I forget to recite the aforementioned, and fall asleep without the dhikr of Allah, when things sometimes get a bit wierd.

[lonely_me]

behan mujhe yay topic achi dikthi hai...

Allah apko acha rakhay...:up:

[ponderingstar]

aap ko kasay aysee bath kurnee ay?


oh and i thought i might bump this up if no one minds since i wouldn't mind a bit more feedback...

thaveez: is it haram?

[Baby Paw]

I have no idea pondering star, there is a variety of opinion on this subject.

If in doubt leave alone, your faith is in your heart, you don't need an amulet to protect to when you have your faith in Allah Almighty

[ponderingstar]

Oh no i definitely wouldn't wear a thaveez, but certain members of my family would, and so i wouldn't really mind finding our if there were any specific verses or facts that i could use to convince them otherwise. (or convince me that it was okay even since i think it's rather bad)

i mean when these people just consider these holy men to be wiser than them they can really justify anything they do...

[Baby Paw]

PonderingStar, I would anticipate feed-back off other individuals who utilise this forum.

Speaking personally, I have buried the thaveez that I had, as I firmly believe that faith in Allah is the best protection of all.

My family members weae thaveez, some say it is permissable, some say it is not.

One usually finds that when it comes to such issues and one tries addressing it to their loved ones, friction can arise, and so arguments can ensue.

If you do not get feed-back via other peoples opinions on this thread, then I would advise that you speak to your local Imam and get a full explanation with regards to the matter at hand. If not still satisfied with the answer that you receive, then ask around some more and talk to more knowledgable people, until your conscious is satisfied.

I have been going through some strange experiences myself in recent times, however, I'd rather not resort to counsel off holy men or thaveez.

Sometimes one finds that the battle is psychological and nothing else more.

However, when it comes to finding answers to certain questions it is always worth speaking to those who are more knowledgable than us, if in doubt.

Remaining headstrong and having utmost faith in Allah will erode away ones nafs and other designs of evil.

May Allah give you strength and make clear the answers that you seek.

[Ebony]

My brother was given a taveez after he had suffered a grand mal seizure 4 yrs ago (happened the one time..not had a repeat of it, alhamdulillah) but my brother refused to wear it, dismissing it as superstition and shirk.

Ws

[lonely_me]

[QUOTE=ponderingstar]aap ko kasay aysee bath kurnee ay?


QUOTE]


seekh lia bahanji ;)

[faqir]

Using of Amulets (ta'wizes).



What is the ruling on wearing an amulet (ta’weez)? People have the belief that wearing a string around the neck will protect them, when surely only Allah protects. Please tell me the ruling on wearing this, for many people say that it is shirk.

(http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-23000762)

Question # q-23000762 Date Posted: 04/02/2004






In the name of Allah, Most Compassionate, Most Merciful,




Hanging or wearing of amulets (ta’wiz) is normally permissible for protection or healing provided certain conditions are met:

1) That they consist of the names of Allah Almighty or his attributes;

2) That they are in Arabic;

3) That they do not consist of anything that is disbelief (kufr);

4) The user does not believe the words have any affect in themselves, but are empowered to do so by Allah Most High.

It is narrated from Amr ibn Shu’ayb, from his father, from his grandfather (Abdullah ibn Amr ibn al-Aas (Allah be pleased with them all), that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to teach them (the Sahabas) for fearful situations the following words:

“I seek refuge in Allah’s perfect words from His wrath, the evil of his servants, the whispered insinuations of devils, and that they come to me”

Abd Allah ibn Amr used to teach these words to those of his sons who had reached the age of reason, and used to write them and hang them upon those who had not reached the age of reason (narrated by Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi, and Tirmidhi classed it as an authentic narration).

In the Musannaf of Imam Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging Ta’wizes is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including: Sa’id ibn al-Musayyab, Ata', Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn Amr, Ibn Sirin, Ubaydullah ibn Abd Allah ibn Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [See: al-Musannaf, 5.439].

Due to the above, most of the scholars have declared the using of amulets (ta’wiz) permissible as long as the above conditions are met. It is similar to using medication which is permissible and not against the concept of reliance in Allah (tawakkul) or monotheism Tawhid. However, it is not permissible to regard the Ta’wiz to be effective in it self, just as it is not permissible to regard medicines to be effective in them selves.

As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging Ta’wizes is shirk, this is understood to mean those Ta’wizes that resemble the one’s used in the days of ignorance (jahiliyya), or if used thinking that it is the ta’wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one’s whose meaning is not known.

The great Hanafi Jurist, Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states:

“Using of Ta’wizes will not be permissible if they are written in a non-Arabic language in that its meaning is not known. They may consist of black magic, disbelief or impermissible invocations. However, if they consist of Qur’anic verses or prescribed supplications (duas), then there is nothing wrong with using them (Radd al-Muhtar).

Imam Ibn Taymiyya (Allah have mercy on him) writes in his Fatawa:

“It is permissible for an ill or troubled person, that certain verses from the Qur’an are written with pure ink, then it is washed and given to the ill to drink. Ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) is reported to have mentioned a certain Dua that should be written and placed close to the woman who is experiencing hard labour at the time of giving birth.

Sayyiduna Ali (Allah be pleased with him) says: This Dua should be written and tied to the arm of the woman. We have experienced that there is nothing more amazing than this” (Fatawa Ibn Taymiyya, 19/65).

Imam Ibn Taymiyya’s student Imam Ibn al-Qayyim also narrates the permissibility of using Ta’wizes from a number of salafs including the great Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him). Thereafter Ibn al-Qayyim himself quotes various Ta’wizes (Zad al-Ma’ad, 3/180).

In view of the foregoing, it becomes clear that generally using of Ta’wizes is not something that is impermissible or Shirk. However, it is necessary that the above mentioned conditions are met.

Today we have people who are victims of immoderation. There are some people who declare all types of Ta’wizes to be Shirk and Kufr. Others, on the other hand, think Ta’wizes to be everything. Both these types of understandings are incorrect.

Using of Ta’wizes is permissible, but with moderation. Normally it is better to recite the Duas which are prescribed for every problem and illness, and along with that resort to medical treatment. However, if Ta’wizes are used sometimes, then it is permissible.

If there is a fear that a person will begin to think the Ta’wiz to be effective in it self, then he should not be given the Ta’wiz. This will be the decision of the person who is giving the Ta’wiz, and not for us to decide for him.

There are many people who never make Dua and are neglectful of the Shariah injunctions, but always depend on Ta’wizes. For such people, it is better not to give them Ta’wizes, rather to direct them to the straight path.

Once, a sister asked me to mention to her a Dua or write something for her in order to get married to someone she desired, and she also mentioned that her Duas were not being answered. I asked: “Do you cover your self when you emerge out of your home?” no, was the reply. I said: “Do you perform your Salat (Prayers)?” Again, “no” was the reply. I said: “From tomorrow, you make this special Dua after the Fajr Salat, and you carry on performing this for 6 months, and Insha Allah your Dua will be accepted. Also a very Important Ta’wiz is that you recite a certain Dua and blow on your scarf and wear that scarf when emerging out of your home”!

In conclusion, generally it is permissible to use amulets (ta’wizes) in compliance with the conditions mentioned above. However, if there is something that is impermissible, then it will not be allowed.

And Allah Knows Best


Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester , UK

[lonely_me]

Oh well...seekhri hoon thoda thoda...so take it easy on me :rolleyes:

[lonely_me]

Tawheed (belief in the Oneness of Allah) is the core of Islam. One of the fundamental beliefs of Tawheed is that Allah alone has the Power to benefit and harm, it is He alone Who can bring good and avert evil. Any notion, belief or saying, which contradicts this belief, leads to the unforgivable sin of Shirk (associating partners with Allah). Allah says: "Verily, Allah will not forgive Shirk, but He forgives anything besides it to whomsoever He wishes." [Soorah an-Nisa (4): 48]

The belief associated with good luck charms that they attract good fortune and avert evil is thus committing Shirk. It was the practice of the Arabs at the time of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to wear lockets, bracelets, beads, shells, etc. as charms. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) is reported to have rejected all such practices.

Uqbah (radhiallahu anhu) reported: "Once a group of men approached the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to give their oaths of allegiance. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) accepted the oath from nine but refused one. When he was asked the reason, he (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) replied: "Verily, he is wearing an amulet (a charm)." The man put his hand in his cloak, pulled the amulet off and broke it, then made the oath. The Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "Whoever wears an amulet has committed Shirk." [Musnad Ahmad. This Hadeeth was classed as Saheeh by Shaikh al-Albanee in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, (492)]

When new people accepted Islam during the time of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) ; they often carried with them some pagan beliefs. One of them was the belief in charms, Abu Waaqid al-Laythee reported when Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) set out for Hunayn (the site of a major battle), they passed by a tree called Dhat Anwaar. The idolaters used to hang their weapons on its branches for good fortune. Some of the Sahabah y who were new to Islam asked the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) to assign a similar tree for the Muslims. The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) reprimanded them and said: "Subhan-Allah! This is just like what Moosa's people said to him: 'O Moosa! Make for us a god like they have gods." [At-Tirmidhee, Musnad Ahmad and others.]

This Hadeeth demonstrates the grave danger of believing in charms, which are objects, like beads, bones, seashells, threads, horseshoe, nails etc. worn in the necks or hung on walls in order to avert evil and bring good fortune. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) compared charms to idols and fake gods, who are worshiped instead of Allah.

This is because belief in charms represents the same belief of the idol worshipers. One who wears charm considers it (the charm) to have the Divine Power to benefit and harm. Besides, the charm is supposed to be more powerful than Allah, because they are considered to be able to avert misfortune, which Allah has already destined. Therefore, Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) has cursed those who use them. Uqbah Ibn Amir reported that the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once said: "May Allah cause failure and unrest to whoever wears a charm or puts it on others." [Musnad Ahmad and Haakim]


Charms as a means of idol worship:

Charms sometimes include pictures of saints and graves. Pictures are forbidden in Islam, and it should be made known that the basic reason behind the prohibition of pictures was to prevent Shirk from entering into the Aqeedah of the Muslims.

Shirk first crept into the previous nation through pictures and graves. When righteous men died, people would erect their statues and make their pictures in places of gathering. The later generations eventually venerated these pictures and statues, and worshiped them besides Allah. When the churches of Ethiopia containing pictures were mentioned to Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam), he said: "If any religious man dies amongst those people they would build a place of worship at his grave and make these pictures in it. They will be the worst creatures in the Sight of Allah on the Day of Resurrection." [Saheeh al-Bukharee and Saheeh Muslim]

Islam has prohibited all means, which could result in Shirk; one of them is the prohibitions is portraying pictures and hanging them. Moreover, hanging pictures of saints and graves in necks and believing them to be a means of blessings, or believing them to be able to avert evil is a clear Shirk, because this belief implies giving Divine Power to avert evil and bring good fortune, which is unique for Allah alone, to created beings.


Charms as a means of Healing Sickness:

Another popular use of charms is that it is regarded as a remedy to many diseases or protection from the evil eye. This kind of use is also prohibited, Imraan Ibn Hussain (radhiallahu anhu) reported that when the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) saw a brass bangle on a man's upper arm, he said to him, "Woe be on you. What is this?" The man replied that it was to protect him from a sickness called Waahinah (weakness). The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) then said: "Cast it off, for verily, it would only increase your weakness. And if you die with it on, you will never succeed." [Musnad Ahmad and others]

Meaning Allah will not protect him, who hangs charms on his body, rather He would abandon him and assign him to the charm, which will avail him nothing. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "He who wears a thing shall be committed to it." [At-Tirmidhee]

A Muslim's attitude in times of sickness should be to be patient and seek help with Allah. "And (remember) Ayyub, when he called to his Lord, 'Verily, adversity has touched me, and You are the Most Merciful of the Merciful.' So, We answered his call, and removed all afflictions." [Soorah al-Ambiya (21): 83]

The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) advised Ibn Abbas (radhiallahu anhu) and said: "When you invoke, invoke Allah alone, and when you ask for help, ask Allah alone. And know that if the nation (meaning mankind and the Jinn) came together to bring you benefit, they can never bring you any benefit except that which Allah has written for you. And if they came together to harm you, they will never be able to harm you, except what Allah has written for you. The pens have already been raised (and stopped writing) and the pages have dried." [Musnad Ahmad and at-Tirmidhee]

Allah says: "Give glad tidings to the patient those who when afflicted with a calamity, say: 'Truly, to Allah we belong; truly to Him will we return.' It is those who will be awarded blessings and mercy from their Lord; and it is these who are the guided ones." [Soorah al-Baqarah (2): 155]

Therefore, he who resigns to Allah, seeks refuge in Him and commits his affairs to Him, Allah will suffice him, and make the difficulty easy for him. But he who attaches himself to the creation of Allah, like charms and amulets, Allah will abandon him to what he attaches himself to, and nothing will avail him of those things which neither harm nor benefit anyone. By using charms, the slave severs his relation with Allah and destroys his own creed.

It is a duty on the Muslim to safeguard his Aqeedah and the Aqeedah of his family members against all defects. He should not take unlawful remedies, nor approach misleading healers, because they will blemish his heart and creed. He who depends on Allah, Allah will suffice him.

The Sahabah (radhiallahu anhu) were very strict in regards to charms and omens, whether it be within one's family or outside it. Zaynab, the wife of Abdullah Ibn Mas'oud, reports that once Ibn Mas'oud saw a cord of necklace around her neck and asked, 'What is it?' She replied: 'It is a cord in which a spell has been placed to help me.' He snatched it from her neck, broke it and said: "Surely the family of Abdullah has no need for Shirk! I have heard Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) say: 'Verily spells, talismans and charms are Shirk.'"

Zaynab replied: 'Why are you saying this? My eye used to twitch and when I went to so and so, the Jew, he put a spell on it and it stopped twitching.' Ibn Mas'oud said: 'Verily, it was only a devil prodding it with his hand, so when you had it bewitched he left it. It would have been sufficient for you to say:

Transliteration: "Idh-habil-ba's Rabban-naas washfi antash-shafee Laa shifaa' illa shifaa'uk shifaa'aan laa yughaadiruhu saqama"

"Remove the suffering, O Lord of mankind and heal it perfectly as You are the True Healer. There is no cure except Your cure; a cure which is not followed by sickness." [Sunan Abu Dawood (vol: 3, no: 3874)] Classed as Saheeh by al-Albanee in al-Silsilat al-Saheehah (331 and 2972)]

A sick person can resort to permissible means of treatment like medicines, the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "Seek treatment, because Allah did not create a sickness but has created a treatment for it, except for old age." [Abu Dawood. Authenticated by Shaikh al-Albanee in Saheeh al-Jami no: 29302] In this context, magnetic belts, etc., which have been medically proven to have health benefits can be used for treatment. They do not fall under the category of charms and omens.


Casual use of Charms

Sometimes the use of charms is not due to false beliefs, but is merely an imitation of the Kuffar, which is also a very serious issue. Muslims are strictly prohibited from adopting any non-Islamic practice or imitating the non-Muslims, whether it be creed or actions. Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) has warned the Muslim Ummah in several Ahaadeeth on different occasions against imitation of the Kuffar, he (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) once said: "Whoever imitates a people, he is one of them." [(Saheeh) Musnad Ahmad (vol: 2, no: 50)]

Therefore, any resemblance to the Kuffar in any aspect must be strictly avoided. If the charm used has a religious significance to the disbelievers, like the cross of the Christians, saffron strings or black threads of the Hindus, etc. then the matter becomes even more grave.

http://www.ahya.org/amm/modules.php?name=Sections&op=viewarticle&artid=161

[faqir]

Ahya.org?

Some people get joy out of calling others idol worshipers - other get on and worship their One Lord.

I heard Imam Dhahabi said that towards the end of his life his teacher Ibn Taymiyyah said words to the effect - we do not make takfir on the people who make wudu.

Yet here we have people calling Muslims mushriks - accusing the people who bow down to Allah of being idol worshipers.

And on what basis? The use of a ta'wiz? Do you accuse the one who uses a paracetamol to be a Mushrik? These are nothing but a means to the cure and only Allah swt has the power to Cause anything.

Anyway, carry on in your accusations but know that your accusations are being thrown upon the Sahaba from whom this use of ta'wiz is established and if you think you know your Tawhid better than the best of generations then so be it.

And Allah knows best.

[faqir]

For the Muslims who wish to follow the understanding of the Ulema of Ahlus Sunnah wal Jamaah read the article I have posted above from www.daruliftaa.com (http://www.daruliftaa.com) before shouting shirk, mushrik, pagan, or whatever.

http://www.daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-23000762



Wasalam.

[ponderingstar]

thank you sister,

i can imagine telling all these things to the people that i would like to discuss this issue with but they would then say that they do not think of a thaveez as a charm, since it is just a tiny square peice of cotton with an ayat inside it it is considered to have these 'healing' powers or help to combat curses etc. due to the ayat inside.

They also think that the thaveez does not work in and of itself but that Allah grants the wearer health or protection. i seem to think that prayer would surely be sufficient no?

also these holymen do this thing whereby they take an item of clothing from a man and measure it in front of the man with a measuring tape.
the first measurement will be say, 26 inches, the second measurement 36 inches and the the third measurement 16 inches.

this happened to a friend of ours and because they did this in front of him he believes that he is cursed (The holy man told him that this proved it). I personally think they learnt some david blaine style trick, but i can't convince him because he insists that they are good holy men. I hate to judge someone elses intentions because you just don't know but it seems very suspicious to me.

since then he's been trying everything to elevate this curse including reading the Quran but also by drinking water that has been prayed on and he is going to see someone to get him a thaveez...

also another member of our family goes to see one of these bazurqs if members of the family are having marital problems and almost every time the bazurq guy will be all "oh yes there is a curse on them or they have had nazzar put on them because they were so happy and someone got jealous" What do people make of that?

[ponderingstar]

OOOh! you posted before i replied, let me read he new post....

[faqir]

Did you read the article?

[lonely_me]

Qur'aanic charms are those objects, which have parts of the Qur'aan or some of Allah's Names and Attributes inscribed on them. These objects are worn for the purpose of healing. Scholars are at variance concerning wearing them; some believe in its permissibility, while others reject them. The second opinion is correct, due to many reasons:

(a) The general prohibition of wearing them. Ibn Mas'oud (radhiallahu anhu), who disapproved the practice of Qur'aanic charms said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) say: "Charms, Amulets and Tiwalah* are all acts of Shirk." [Abu Dawood and Musnad Ahmad]

[* Tiwaalah (bewitchment) is a spell, which is used to make a man love his wife, or the other way round.]

(b) Barring access to what may lead to the unlawful.

(c) If one wears an amulet containing Qur'aanic verses, he is apt to carry it with him to washrooms, while relieving or cleaning himself or the like.

(d) The use of Qur'aan in such a manner is neither proved by the Sunnah of Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam), nor the practice of the Sahabah. Therefore, using the Qur'aan as a charm is categorized as a Bidah (innovation in the religion), regarding which Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) said: "Whoever innovates in Islam something which does not belong to it will have it rejected." [Saheeh al-Bukharee (vol: 3, no: 861)]

Furthermore, wearing Qur'aanic verses for healing contradicts the Prophetic way of curing sickness through the means of Qur'aan.

Imaam Muslim (rahimahullah) records the following Hadeeth under the chapter, 'Curing of the Patient with the recitation of Mu'awwidhatan.' Aaishah (radhi allahu anha) reported that when the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) fell ill, he recited over his body Mu'awwidhatan (Soorah al-Falaq and Soorah an-Nas) and blew over him and when his sickness was intensified, I used to recite over him, and rub him with his hand with the hope that it was more blessed. [Saheeh Muslim vol: 3, no: 5440]

So, the correct way is to recite Qur'aanic verses and supplications mentioned in the Sunnah and blow by mouth on the sick. This practice is known as 'Ruqya', and is proved from a number of authentic narrations. "Some Companions of the Prophet (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) went on a journey until they reached some of the Arab tribes (at night). The chief of that tribe was bitten by a snake (or stung by a scorpion) and nothing could cure him. One of the Sahabah recited Soorah Al-Faatihah and breathed hard over the chief, who recovered as if he was released from a chain, stood up and started walking, showing no signs of sickness.

When Allah's Messenger (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) was informed about the incident, he approved of it and asked: "How did you know that Soorah Al-Faatihah can be recited as a Ruqyah?" [Saheeh al-Bukharee (vol: 3, no: 476)]

This is the meaning of the verse, where Allah says: "We send down the Qur'aan that which is healing and a mercy for the believer, but it does not increase the wrongdoers except in loss." [Soorah al-Isra (17): 82]

[ponderingstar]

okay so it is permissable.

thank you sister LM... you have been kind and generous in your actions.

as for faqir, if anyone who asks a question is going to get the response you gave, i think everyone would remain quiet in their ignorance. i am glad i do not live in such a world.

[faqir]

The second opinion mentioned by your article is incorrect for the many reasons mentioned by the MAJORITY of Sunni Ulema and explained in the article I have posted.

see also:


Using Ta'wizes (Amulets)

Answered by Sidi Faraz Rabbani


Salafis say tawizes [amulets] are haram, shirk, and it is wajib for them to be avoided. What is the correct understanding of ulamae-hajj [the true scholars] ?



A.

Assalamu alaikum,

In the Musannaf of Abu Bakr ibn Abi Shayba, the permissibility of hanging a ta`wiz is reported from many of the Companions and early Muslims (Salaf), including:

Sa`id ibn al-Musayyib, `Ata', Mujahid, Abd Allah ibn `Amr, Ibn Sirin, `Abayd Allah ibn Abd Allah ibn `Umar, and others (Allah be well pleased with them all). [Musannaf, 5.439]

As for that which is reported from some, including Ibn Mas`ud (Allah be pleased with him), that hanging ta`wizes is shirk, this is understood to mean those that resemble the one's used in Jahiliyya, or if used thinking that it is the ta`wiz itself that cures or protects, not Allah, or if it contains impermissible invocations or one's whose meaning is not known, as explained by Allama Abu Sa`id al-Khadimi in his al-Bariqa al-Mahmudiyya Sharh al-Tariqa al-Muhammadiyya. [4.171-172]

In the Fatawa al-Hindiyya, one of the primary references in the Hanafi school, it says:

"There is nothing wrong with hanging ta`wizes, but one should take them off before going to the toilet and before intercourse." [5.356]

In the Mawsu`a Fiqhiyya (Awqaf, Kuwait), it states that, the linguistic meaning of ta`wif is derived from seeking protection or refuge. The type that is prohibited is the like the one's used in pre-Islamic times, is a major sin and can even lead to kufr. The type that is permitted according to the vast majority (jumhur) of the scholars is that which is made from the Words of Allah (Qur'an) or His Names, with the condition that the person not think that it has any effect by itself; rather, it protects or heals by the Will and Power of Allah.

And Allah knows best.

Wassalam,
Faraz Rabbani

[faqir]

as for faqir, if anyone who asks a question is going to get the response you gave, i think everyone would remain quiet in their ignorance.

Would you care to elaborate? What exactly in the response I have given do you take issue with?

[lonely_me]

Ibn Mas'oud (radhiallahu anhu), who disapproved the practice of Qur'aanic charms said: "I heard the Messenger of Allah (sallallahu alaihe wa-sallam) say: "Charms, Amulets and Tiwalah* are all acts of Shirk." [Abu Dawood and Musnad Ahmad]


(I NEVER refer to WEAK Hadiths ;) )

[faqir]

(I NEVER refer to WEAK Hadiths ;) )
Yes, but you refer to weak understanding of the Hadiths ;)


Also, if I may add, you cannot take one Hadith in isolation, ignoring the other relevant Ahadith and the understanding of the companions on this issue.


Oh, and that Hadith has been discussed in the above two articles. Read, in the name of thy Lord.

[lonely_me]

I rest my case... but I take none of what I posted back. It's just that I'm not a scholar and would never want to CLAIM knowledge! I'm not in the position to issue a fatwa... and I'm not a jew to go on arguing and conducting fruitless conversations when facts can speak for themselves... You're entitled to your opinion and true...Allah knows BEST!
May Allah forgive my shortcomings and guide me to the right path ... and May He take me Muslimah...Mu'minah... Oh Allah we beg of You through Your infinite mercy which encompasses everything to forgive all our sins...Oh Allah Grant us good in this world and good in the life to come and keep us safe from the torment of the Fire..Bestow on us endurance and make our foothold sure and give us help against those who reject faith. Let not our hearts deviate from the truth after You have guided us!

Ameen


sis Star... May Allah bless your heart... help those relatives of yours get rid of such things... gradually people will start believing in those charms' power and that would surely affect their tawheed...and Allah ALONE knows best. Take care.

[ponderingstar]

okay now i am confused again....

i feel perpetually confused on this forum, may Allah guide me to the right path.

brother Faqir (it is bro' right?) I had assumed that this post:
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showpost.php?p=466829&postcount=21
was directed at me. am i wrong in this assumption? (my assumptions are usually wrong..)

and as for the taveez... i don't like the whole idea. it doesn't sound logical to me.

for example: someone got a thaveez for someone i know for them to get married soon. when they lost the thaveez (and still are not married) people began to say that it was a sign form Allah that this person would not get married...

is that not problematic to you brother faqir?

[sorayaa]

PS... In Cape Town we've got the same type of thing... We call it taweez (same type of thing) and there's also this practise of writing verses with saffron water on a tray, rinsing it with water and drinking the water. The "holy men/women" are called Tuans (I think it's derived from a malaysian word meaning teacher or leader).

This is a very good post, because I wondered the self-same thing many times. There are also people here who do exorcisms of the evil eye, and bala'in from people.

I'm not too sure on the Ulamah's take on this though. It's more widespread than I thought.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Ponderingstar - witchcraft etc... is true.

QUESTION:
What is the way to deal with sihr (magic/witchcraft)?
ANSWER :
Praise be to Allaah.
Whoever is affected by sihr should not treat it with sihr, because evil cannot be removed by evil, and kufr cannot be removed by kufr. Evil is removed by good. Hence when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was asked about al-nushrah (treating sihr with sihr), he said: “This is the work of the Shaytaan.” Nushrah means removing sihr from a person who has been affected by it by using more sihr. But if it is treated by means of the Qur’aan and permissible medicines or good ruqyahs, there is nothing wrong with that, but treating it with sihr is not permitted, as previously stated, because sihr means worshipping the shayaateen (devils). The saahir (magician, practitioner of witchcraft) does sihr or learns sihr only after worshipping and serving the shayaateen, and drawing close to them by means of the things that they like. After that, they teach him the means of sihr. But, praise be to Allaah, there is no reason why the person who has been affected by sihr should not be treated by means of reciting Qur’aan and the prayers for refuge with Allaah that are prescribed in sharee’ah, and permissible medicines, just as patients with all kinds of sicknesses are treated by doctors. The patient does not necessarily recover, because not every sick person does recover. A sick patient might be treated and then recover if his appointed time (of death) has not yet arrived, or he may not recover and may die from this sickness, even though he may be been seen by the most skilled physicians and knowledgeable doctors. When the appointed time of death comes, no medicine or treatment will be of any avail, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And Allaah grants respite to none when his appointed time (death) comes”

[al-Munaafiqoon 63:11]

Medical treatment is of benefit when the appointed time has not yet come, and Allaah decrees that His slave should be healed. The same applies in the case of one who has been affected by sihr; Allaah may decree that he should recover, or He may not decree that, as a test and a trial, or for other reasons which are known to Allaah. Among those reasons may be the fact that the one who is treating him does not have the right treatment for this problem. It was narrated in a saheeh report that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “For every disease there is a medicine, and if that medicine is applied to the disease, he will recover by Allaah’s Leave.” And he (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Allaah has not sent down any disease but He has also sent down the cure; the one who knows it knows it and the one who does not know it does not know it.”

Among the treatments prescribed in sharee’ah is the treatment of sihr with recitation of the Qur’aan. The greatest soorah in the Qur’aan, which is al-Faatihah, should be recited over the person who has been affected by sihr. This should be repeated several times. If it is recited by a believing, righteous reader who knows that everything is subject to the will and decree of Allaah, that Allaah is in control of all things, that when He says to a thing ‘Be!’ it is, if the reciting is based on faith, taqwa and sincerity, and is repeated several times, then the sihr may be removed and the person may recover by Allaah’s Leave. Some of the Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) passed by some Bedouins whose shaykh, i.e., their leader, had been bitten. They had done everything they could but he had not gotten better. They said to one of the Sahaabah, “Is there any raaqi (one who performs ruqyah) among you?” They said, “Yes.” So one of them recited Soorat al-Faatihah over him, and he immediately got up full of energy as if nothing had happened; Allaah healed him of the ill-effects of that snakebite. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “There is nothing wrong with ruqyah so long as it does not involve shirk.” He (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) performed ruqyah and had it performed for him. There is a lot of good in ruqyah, and a great deal of benefit. Al-Faatihah, Aayat al-Kursiy, “Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad”, al-Mi’wadhatayn and other aayahs may be recited over the person who has been affected by sihr, as well as good du’aa’s narrated in the ahaadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), such as the du’aa’ he said when he performed ruqyah for a sick person and said, “Allaahumma Rabb al-naas, adhhib il-ba’s, washfi anta al-Shaafi laa shifaa’a illa shifaa’uka shifaa’an laa yughaadir saqaman (O Allaah, Lord of mankind, remove the harm and heal him, for You are the Healer and there is no healing except Your healing, with a healing which does not leave any disease behind).” This may be repeated three times or more. And it was also narrated from him (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) that Jibreel (peace be upon him) performed ruqyah for him and said three times: “Bismillaah arqeeka min kulli shay’in yu’dheeka, wa min sharri kulli nafsin aw ‘aynin haasid Allaah yashfeek, bismillaah arqeek (In the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you, from every thing that is harming you, from the evil of every soul or envious eye may Allaah heal you, in the name of Allaah I perform ruqyah for you).” This is a great ruqyah which was narrated in a saheeh hadeeth from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him). It is prescribed to perform ruqyah for the one who has been bitten or stung, and the one who has been affected by sihr, and the one who is sick. There is nothing wrong with performing ruqyah for one who is sick or has been affected by sihr or bitten or stung, by reciting good du’aa’s, even if they were not transmitted from the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), so long as they do not contain anything that is haraam, because of the general meaning of the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): “There is nothing wrong with ruqyah so long as it does not involve shirk.”

Allaah may heal the sick person and the person affected by sihr, and others, without any ruqyah and without any action on the part of other people, because He is Able to do all things, and He is Wise in all that He does. Allaah says in His Holy Book:

“Verily, His Command, when He intends a thing, is only that He says to it, ‘Be!’ and it is!”[Yaa-Seen 36:82]

To Him be praise and thanks for all that He wills and decrees, for He is wise in all that He does.

The sick person may not be healed if his appointed time has come and it is decreed that he should die from this disease. Among the things that may be used in ruqyah are the verses which speak of sihr, which may be recited into water. These are the verses about sihr in Soorat al-A’raaf, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And We revealed to Moosa (saying): ‘Throw your stick,’ and behold! It swallowed up straight away all the falsehood which they showed.

Thus truth was confirmed, and all that they did was made of no effect.

So they were defeated there and returned disgraced

[al-A’raaf 7:117-119]

And in Soorat Yoonus (interpretation of the meaning):

“And Pharaoh said: ‘Bring me every well-versed sorcerer.’

And when the sorcerers came, Moosa said to them: ‘Cast down what you want to cast!’

Then when they had cast down, Moosa said: ‘What you have brought is sorcery, Allaah will surely make it of no effect. Verily, Allaah does not set right the work of Al‑Mufsidoon.

And Allaah will establish and make apparent the truth by His Words, however much the Mujrimoon may hate (it).’”

[Yoonus 10:79-82]

And in Soorat Ta-Ha (interpretation of the meaning):

“They said: ‘O Moosa! Either you throw first or we be the first to throw?’

Moosa said: ‘Nay, throw you (first)!’ Then behold! their ropes and their sticks, by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast.

So Moosa conceived fear in himself.

We (Allaah) said: ‘Fear not! Surely, you will have the upper hand.

And throw that which is in your right hand! It will swallow up that which they have made. That which they have made is only a magician’s trick, and the magician will never be successful, to whatever amount (of skill) he may attain.’”

[Ta-Ha 20:65-69]

These aayahs are among the things by which Allaah causes the ruqyah against sihr to be beneficial. If the qaari’ (reader) recites these verses into water, and also reads Soorat al-Faatiha, Aayat al-Kursiy, “Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad”, and al-Mi’wadhatayn into the water, then pours it over the person who he thinks has been affected by sihr or is being prevented by magic from having intercourse with his wife, then he will be healed by Allaah’s Leave. If seven lotus leaves are ground up and added to the water as well, this is appropriate, as was mentioned by Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan ibn Hasan (may Allaah have mercy on him) in Fath al-Majeed, quoting from some of the scholars in the chapter entitled Ma jaa’a fi’l-Nushrah. It is mustahabb to recite the three soorahs, namely Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad, Qul A’oodhu bi Rabb il Falaq and Qul A’oodhu bi Rabb il-Naas. The point is that these and similar treatments which are used to treat this problem of sihr, may also be used to treat the one who is prevented by magic from having intercourse with his wife. This has been tried a great deal and Allaah caused it to yield results. A person may be treated with al-Faatihah alone and be healed, or with Qul Huwa Allaahu Ahad and al-Mi’wadhatayn on their own, and be healed. It is very important that the person performing this treatment and the person who is being treated should both have sincere faith and trust in Allaah; they should know that He is control of all things and that when He wills a thing it happens, and when He does not will a thing it does not happen. The matter is in His hand, whatever He wills happens and whatever He does not will does not happen. When both the reader and the one who is read over have faith and are sincere towards Allaah, the sickness will disappear quickly by Allaah’s Leave, and both physical and spiritual medicine will be beneficial. We ask Allaah to help us all to please Him, for He is All-Hearing and is ever Near.


__________________________________________________ ____

QUESTION:

Is sihr (magic, witchcraft) real? Does it have any effect? What are its types?

ANSWER :
Praise be to Allaah.
Praise be to Allaah and blessings and peace be upon the Messenger of Allaah, and his family and companions and those who follow his guidance.

Sihr is a serious crime and is one of the kinds of kufr. It is one of things with which people have been tested, in the past and currently, among the nations of the past, during the Jaahiliyyah and in this ummah. The more ignorance increases, the less there is knowledge and awareness of faith, the less attention the authorities pay to this matter – the more the practitioners of sihr and trickery increase and spread in the land, to take the people’s wealth and confuse them and do other things. When knowledge prevails and faith increases, and the Islamic authorities are powerful, the number of these evil people shrinks and they move from one land to another, seeking a place where their falsehood will be accepted and they will be able to engage in their trickery and corruption.

The Qur’aan and Sunnah have described the kinds of sihr and the rulings on these matters.

Sihr is so called because its means are hidden or secret, and because the practitioners of sihr deal with things in secret which enable them to perform illusions to confuse the people and deceive their eyes, and to cause them harm or steal their money, etc., in a secretive manner so that in most cases nobody realizes what is happening. Hence the last part of the night is called sahar, because at the end of the night people are unaware and they do not move about much. And the lungs are also called sahr, because they are hidden inside the body.

According to sharee’ah, the meaning of sihr is what the magicians do to delude and confuse people, so that the one who is watching thinks that it is real when in fact it is not. As Allaah said concerning the magicians of Pharaoh (interpretation of the meaning):

“They said: ‘O Moosa! Either you throw first or we be the first to throw?’

Moosa said: ‘Nay, throw you (first)!’ Then behold! their ropes and their sticks, by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast.

So Moosa conceived fear in himself.

We (Allaah) said: ‘Fear not! Surely, you will have the upper hand.

And throw that which is in your right hand! It will swallow up that which they have made. That which they have made is only a magician’s trick, and the magician will never be successful, to whatever amount (of skill) he may attain.’”

[Ta-Ha 20:65-69]

Sihr may involve things that the magician does when tying knots on which he blows, as is referred to in the Qur’aan (interpretation of the meaning):

“And from the evil of those who practise witchcraft when they blow in the knots”[al-Falaq 113:4]

And it may involve other things which they manage to do through the shayaateen (devils), so they do things that may affect a man's reason or make him sick; they may cause division between a man and his wife, resulting in her looking ugly to him, or by making her hate her husband or be put off by him. This is blatant kufr as the Qur’aan states. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“They followed what the Shayaateen (devils) gave out (falsely of the magic) in the lifetime of Sulaymaan (Solomon). Sulaymaan did not disbelieve, but the Shayaateen (devils) disbelieved, teaching men magic”

[al-Baqarah 2:102]

Allaah informs us that they (the shayaateen) committed kufr by teaching men magic. Then He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“and such things that came down at Babylon to the two angels, Haaroot and Maaroot, but neither of these two (angels) taught anyone (such things) till they had said, ‘We are for trial, so disbelieve not (by learning this magic from us).’”[al-Baqarah 2:102]

Then Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And from these (angels) people learn that by which they cause separation between man and his wife, but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allaah’s Leave”[al-Baqarah 2:102]

i.e., this magic and any harm that results from it is subject to the prior decree and will of Allaah, for our Lord cannot be overwhelmed and nothing can happen in His Dominion against His Will. Nothing happens in this world or in the hereafter except by His prior decree and His great wisdom, as He wills. So some people may be tested by sihr, and others may be tested by sickness, or by being killed…etc. Allaah is All-Wise in all that He wills and decrees, and in all that He prescribes for His slaves. Hence Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“but they could not thus harm anyone except by Allaah’s Leave”

[al-Baqarah 2:102]

i.e., by His universal (kawni) will and decree, not by His legislative (shar’i) will . For sharee’ah does not allow such things, indeed it forbids them, but by His universal leave He already knows and has already decreed that So and so will do sihr, and that So and so will be affected by sihr, just as He already knows and has already decreed that So and so will be killed, or afflicted with a certain sickness, or will die in a certain land, and will receive such and such provision, or will be rich or poor. All of that happens by the will and decree of Allaah, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“[i]Verily, We have created all things with Qadar (Divine Preordainments of all things before their creation as written in the Book of Decrees Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz)[al-Qamar 54:49]

“No calamity befalls on the earth or in yourselves but it is inscribed in the Book of Decrees (Al‑Lawh Al‑Mahfooz) before We bring it into existence. Verily, that is easy for Allaah”

[al-Hadeed 57:22]

The evils that come at the hands of the magicians or others do not happen because our Lord is ignorant, for He knows all things and nothing at all is hidden from Him, as He says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Verily, Allaah is the All-Knower of everything”[al-Anfaal 8:75]

“that you may know that Allaah has power over all things, and that Allâh surrounds all things in (His) Knowledge”[al-Talaaq 65:12]

So Allaah knows all things, and nothing happens in His Dominion that He does not will, but He has perfect wisdom and good aims in whatever He decrees should happen to people of honour or humiliation, losing or gaining power, sickness or health, magic and other things.

Everything that happens to people happens by the will of Allaah and in accordance with His prior decree. These magicians may perform their illusions, as stated in the aayah quoted above (interpretation of the meaning):

“They said: ‘O Moosa! Either you throw first or we be the first to throw?’

Moosa said: ‘Nay, throw you (first)!’ Then behold! their ropes and their sticks, by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast. [Ta-Ha 20:65-66]

It appeared to the onlooker as if these sticks and ropes were snakes, moving fast in the valley. They were only sticks and ropes, but the magicians, through what they had learned, made what they demonstrated before the people look different in their eyes to what it really was.

Allaah says (interpretation if the meaning):

“by their magic, appeared to him as though they moved fast”

[Ta-Ha 20:66]

And in Soorat al-A’raaf Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“He [Moosa] said: ‘Throw you (first).’ So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them, and they displayed a great magic” [al-A’raaf 7:116]

But in fact their sticks and ropes did not change; it was the people’s sight which changed because of the sihr, so they thought they were snakes, because of the illusion brought about by the magicians. Some people call this taqmeer, which is when the magician does things to make a person not sense reality as it really is, so his eyes do not see what is really there and things may be taken from his shop or his home without him realizing it, i.e., he does not know what is really happening. So he may see a rock as a chicken or as an egg, and so on, because reality has been changed in his eyes because of the confusion wrought by the magician, and because his eyes have been bewitched. There are things that the magicians do with certain substances to make people’s eyes not see what is really happening. This is the kind of magic which Allaah describes as “great” in Soorat al-A’raaf (interpretation of the meaning):

“[i]… So when they threw, they bewitched the eyes of the people, and struck terror into them, and they displayed a great magic” [al-A’raaf 7:116]

[ponderingstar]

i am not doubting witchcraft brother i am doubting the fact that almost EVERY desi household in london feels they have had witchraft practiced against them.

I am also doubting whether it is wise to have other people do things on your behalf, like read Quran etc. NOt just if the person is incapable but also if the person is absolutely able to do such things himself but instead goes to a man to read verses on water and then drink them. (like if a man can't get a job, instead of prayeing to Allah for guidance and being proactive by applying like crazy, he might just go to a bazurq and ask him for help. THe bazurq it seems to me, inevitably tells this guy that he has a curse in him and tells him to drink some of thjis water or wear a taveez etc.WHy not getthe man to read some verses of teh Quran himself? OR how about her tell him to get his lazy butt on the internet and apply for some jobs?)

I know witchcraft exists. I just think (IMHO) it is noWHERE near as prevalent as EVERY pakistani house seems to think it is. As though there are all these witchcraft parctitioners and demons and evil people out there just waiting to affect your life.

Im ean they could be. They really could be. But for example the issue you had with this girl. I just cannot get my head round that. SO MANY Muslim girls stray and do typically "gauri" things in the western countries. ARe you saying that each and every one of them has a curse on them? That they are completely unaware of the choices they make? That Allah will not judge them on such acts because they are influenced by some outer being. (for surely you cannot be judged for acts which are not really your doing) i think personally that this girl need not repent if that is the case since if their is a curse in her MAKING her do thes ethings then it wasn't actually HER doing them. IT just doesn't add up in my head.

Please do not take this as a personal attack brother. I think this girl you mention is probably very good, not because she was under the influence of a cruse BUT because she (hopefully) has realised the error of her ways and REPENTED. surely she would not have repented or would have no need to repent if these things were out of her control? Also please forgiveme for i am ignorant and she could very well be under a curse. Allah knows best. I just want to get over what my concerns are with putting so much faith in these bazurqs etc.

[amal]

What is a desi household?

[ponderingstar]

"desi" means bascially all those peple from south asia who are pretty much of indian origin. That would be the paksitanis and the indians and the bangladeshis.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Ok. I see where you coming from. Thing is that many muslim nowadays don't bother studing Islam. They read the Qu'ran but dont study it. So when comes to situations such as this they dont know what to do, so they goto someone who does and can help them.
About the girl i like. Well, she's saying that their's a possibility her cousins could of done this as they used to always compliment her which usually is a sign of jealousy. She was a very good muslim then, she stopped wearing her hijab and it all started from there. You were right about me being jealous of her previous boyfriends. But also the fact that i find it hard to trust her. Another worry is, what if she is lying to me? that she has not repented.
But, the istikhara came out positive, and ive asked her to do it too just to be sure.

[Stanley Stunodd]

Who truly knows the workings of the spiritual world?
And how they interact with our own world?

If one believes in such a world, they are more prone to notice goings-on
If you don't believe in such activity, you will find a logical reason for it's existence.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Who truly knows the workings of the spiritual world?
And how they interact with our own world?

If one believes in such a world, they are more prone to notice goings-on
If you don't believe in such activity, you will find a logical reason for it's existence.

Well usually they are only able to interact with us through another being. That being commits shirk because he no longer believes in Allah but obeys the jinn. The jinn does things for the man. In return the the jinn asks for the man's soul.
If you have heard of that jewish magician guy who actually moved a boat over the grand canyon in a matter of seconds. No man in the world could ever do that, it is impossible. He gave up his soul to the jinn whom carried out the task for him. As Allah created the jinn and gave them powers like being able to travel at the speed of light, and turn into any object they wish.
If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...

[lonely_me]

If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...

*interested and planning to go there someday to get surprised,herself*

[ponderingstar]

If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...
yeah all these brown people..it's scary man....

:D

j/k shaid, you know i like to mess wid yo' head ay?

things are spookier in pakistan...

[Ebony]

If you still dont believe it, then goto pakistan, and walk alone in the middle of the night in a deserted road, or alley way. You'll be supprised on what you'll see...
yeah..most of the time u see a man (men/women) walking about wearing a cloak, wailing and weeping..cz he has nowhere else to go

quite easy to mistake them for ghosts and what not i suppose :eek2:

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Ok. Lemme tell you lot a story :P. My dad was about 14. He lived in pakisatn at the time. And you know how 14 year olds are like...Well back to the story. He was playing catch catch with his friend. He was chasing his friend, but then lost him. Then my dad spotted his friend after looking high and low for about 30seconds. He chased him. His friend ran, he kept running as my dad chased him. My dad chased him for about 40 seconds. The friend ran into the forest. He, would not stop, he kept running. My dad thought that this is pretty dodgy, so he stopped chasing him. He went back home, took him about 5minutes as he had ran far for his house. When he got back, he saw his friend sitting on the doorstep waiting for him. My dad said "Didnt you run into the jungle?". His friend replied "No, ive been sitting here waiting for you for the last 10 minutes".

[Shaolin's-Finest]

yeah..most of the time u see a man (men/women) walking about wearing a cloak, wailing and weeping..cz he has nowhere else to go

quite easy to mistake them for ghosts and what not i suppose :eek2:
NoOoOo....lol. Trust me, its not men in cloaks,weeping. Its like im walking down, then i see my brother. Start talking to him. You get home and he says hes gonna do afew things, and he'll be back later on. He walks of, while you step into the house. Next thing, you see ur whole family including your bro sitting talking...and your like "huh, i was talkin to ya a min ago, n you went in the other direction". He's like, " errmmmm no, ive been sitting here for the last hour".

[MG]

Quote:

Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable? How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?

Answer:

thaveez is a form of shirk and quranic verses should not be worn like this but READ by the person who wants help from allah. People in my family do this and it really makes me angry.

The reason for this is because when u wear thaveez u are putting FAITH in the TAVEEZ, ufeel if u dont wear it ,something will happen to you but really u shoudl be turniong to allah and RECITING these verses u have round your neck,arm etc.

Shirk is the biggest sin someone can commit,be carefull becasue there is so many ways that it can be commited that u would not even have thought about.

[fearfull_22]

lets make it interesting has anyone came across something which they coulden't explain, it could be anything

[ponderingstar]

Quote:

Is wearing a "thaveez" wrong or acceptable? How likely is it that someone can intentionally or unintentionally put "nazzar" on someone else? Are there certain verses in the Quran to specifically 'combat' these things?

Answer:

thaveez is a form of shirk and quranic verses should not be worn like this but READ by the person who wants help from allah. People in my family do this and it really makes me angry.

The reason for this is because when u wear thaveez u are putting FAITH in the TAVEEZ, ufeel if u dont wear it ,something will happen to you but really u shoudl be turniong to allah and RECITING these verses u have round your neck,arm etc.

Shirk is the biggest sin someone can commit,be carefull becasue there is so many ways that it can be commited that u would not even have thought about.
Thank you Muslim girl! I think i agree with this bt can you tell me the source? Also if a person is Illiterate... is it permissable then? I would still think it would make more sense to read the Quran in the presence of the person. Unless the person is TOOOOOO busy to sit there. i mean there are illiterate muslims in this world who work excessivey, I know that many people read verses and blow on water... maybe this is allowed in such cases ? BUt would that be allowed for people who are not illiterate? And what of those who can read a translatrion of the quran but have learnt arabic?

any feedback would be appreciated. I would be interested whatthe various schools of thought has to say about these matters....

[Ebony]

NoOoOo....lol. Trust me, its not men in cloaks,weeping. Its like im walking down, then i see my brother. Start talking to him. You get home and he says hes gonna do afew things, and he'll be back later on. He walks of, while you step into the house. Next thing, you see ur whole family including your bro sitting talking...and your like "huh, i was talkin to ya a min ago, n you went in the other direction". He's like, " errmmmm no, ive been sitting here for the last hour".
Yes...iv heard stories like these from both my parents...grandparents u name it.
Makes good for time pass.

[Shaolin's-Finest]

Yes...iv heard stories like these from both my parents...grandparents u name it.
Makes good for time pass.
lol! They are true. Why dont you pop over to pakistan and camp in the forest :P

You be :dogrun: in no time!

[Baby Paw]

What about Kunjree and Dhakair?

[Shaolin's-Finest]

What about Kunjree and Dhakair?
wats that?

[MG]

Thank you Muslim girl! I think i agree with this bt can you tell me the source? Also if a person is Illiterate... is it permissable then? I would still think it would make more sense to read the Quran in the presence of the person. Unless the person is TOOOOOO busy to sit there. i mean there are illiterate muslims in this world who work excessivey, I know that many people read verses and blow on water... maybe this is allowed in such cases ? BUt would that be allowed for people who are not illiterate? And what of those who can read a translatrion of the quran but have learnt arabic?

any feedback would be appreciated. I would be interested whatthe various schools of thought has to say about these matters....
We have no record of the Prophet s.a.w wearing quranic verses (thaveez) or allowing them to be worn. The wearing of quranic charms(thaveez) also contradicts the prophetic method of breaking spells and averting evil.The sunnah is to recite certain quranic chapters (113th and 114th) and verses (e.g ayatul kursee,2:255,sahih bukhari) when evil approaches. The only prescribed method of gaining good fortune from the quran is also by its recitation and application. The Prophet s.a.w said, "whoever recites a letter from Allah's book earns a good deed and each good deed is worth ten times its value. I am not saying that ALIF LAAM MEEM is one letter but that ALIF is a letter, LAAM is a letter and MEEM is a letter." (by Ahmed and al-hakeem).

Wearing the quran in an amulet is like a sick man given a prescription by a doctor. Instead of reading it and getting the medicine, he rolls it into a ball, puts it in a pouch and hangs it around his neck, believing that it will make him better!!!

As long as one who wears a quranic charm believes that it will avert evil and bring good fortune, he has given a part of creation the POWER to cancel what Allah has already destined. Consequently, he/she will depend on it instead of depending on Allah. This is the essence of the SHIRK involving charms, as is evident from the following narration:

" Eesa ibn Hamzah said, "once i came to visit 'Abdullah ibn 'Ukaym and found Hamzah with him, I asked 'Abdullah, "dont you wear a Tameemah (charm)?" He replied, "May Allah give us refuge from that! Dont you know that Allah's messenger s.a.w said , "Whoever wears a necklace or bracelet, depends on it". (tirmeedhi).

One who wears it for decoration does NOT commit shirk but most who wear it do so for protection from evil and as such, fall into an aspect of shirk in the fundamental Islamic principal of TAWHEED.

A conscious effort has to be made to purify one's belief of all that would detract from a pure concept of TAWHEED.

We as muslims must be careful to avoid using the quran as a goodluck charm. By hanging it in their cars,on key chains, bracelets, necklaces the way non-muslims use their various amulets and talismans, they open the door to SHIRK!!!

hope this helps!

[Ebony]

lol! They are true. Why dont you pop over to pakistan and camp in the forest :P

You be :dogrun: in no time!Camping isn't my thing..why anyone would (voluntary) want to sleep amongst bugs/creepy crawlies and what not is beyond me.

Ws

[Baby Paw]

Kunjree and Dhakair got their feet back to front, one sight of them can turn a mans hair grey and make him go mad. Well that's how the story goes.

So what you saying? I got this adornment inside my car with Allah's 99 names on it, am I commiting shirk?

Who the what?

[MG]

Kunjree and Dhakair got their feet back to front, one sight of them can turn a mans hair grey and make him go mad. Well that's how the story goes.

So what you saying? I got this adornment inside my car with Allah's 99 names on it, am I commiting shirk?

Who the what?
it depends what ur intenetion was when u put it in your car, is it for decoration or is it there some other reason?

[Baby Paw]

My mum got it as a gift when she was buying some Takta (you know wall plaques and tapestry with Surahs, Allahs names and all that).

To be honest, I just put it in the car as decoration, it's pretty looking and designed. Sometimes when waiting in traffic or when the car is stationary I will look at it and read the names of Allah off it. Good way of clocking up sawab I suppose, Insha'Allah.

Who knows maybe when I am not there in the car, something unseen might be there in the car, reading the 99 names of Allah off the decoration.

Who knows? Only Allah knows.

[MG]

My mum got it as a gift when she was buying some Takta (you know wall plaques and tapestry with Surahs, Allahs names and all that).

To be honest, I just put it in the car as decoration, it's pretty looking and designed. Sometimes when waiting in traffic or when the car is stationary I will look at it and read the names of Allah off it. Good way of clocking up sawab I suppose, Insha'Allah.

Who knows maybe when I am not there in the car, something unseen might be there in the car, reading the 99 names of Allah off the decoration.

Who knows? Only Allah knows.

well if your intention of putting it there is for decor then it shouldnt be a problem and on top of that you are RECITING from it so ur not sitting there looking at it thinking, "ok keep me safe from all things evil" ,u are reciting,this is very important.

Well Done Baby Paw,keep it up.

[Fathom]

Enough Faith in Allah defeats everything the world can muster against you, even death.

The world of evil and idiols is no place for the people of God. There comes a time when we must put away such childish things and mature in the Light of God.

Peace.

[12121212]

asalamualaikum wa rahmatullah,
just a few clarifications from this post.
5) the hadith quoted is weak (see Silsilat al-Ahaadeeth al-Da’eefah wa’l-Mawdoo’ah by al-Albaani, hadeeth no. 169). There is no doubt surah yaseen is a great and important surah, but numerous ahadith which are weak and fabricated have been spread about it.
6) im not sure this one is weak or not, but inshallah i will try and check with a brother who is knowledgeable about hadith.
8) The hadith this is alluding to is where the prophet(s) said whoever recites ayatul kursi after salah, the only thing between that person and jannah is death. narrated by al-Nasaa’i in al-Yawm wa’l-Laylah, from al-Hasan ibn Bishr. It was also narrated by Ibn Hibbaan in his Saheeh from Muhammad ibn Humayr, who is al-Homsi, and is also one of the men of al-Bukhaari. The isnaad meets the conditions of al-Bukhaari.
10) The prophet(s) said it(surah mulk) protects one from the punishment of the grave.

An Allah Knows Best
well... yeah I got it...but now again...you speak of 'bazurq' ...ermmm... I know what you saying but you use such strange terms. Concerning how the Quran is a remedy.. well... the prophet encourages the Muslims to read certain Surat like:
5) Everything has a heart and the heart of the Quran is Surah Yaseen, whoever read Yaseen, Allah will write the reward of reading the Quran ten times from him. (Tirmizi and Darmi)
6) Whoever reads Surah Yaseen for the pleasure of Allah, his past sins will be forgiven so read this near your deceased. (Bahiqi)
8) Whoever read Ayatul Kursi after every Fard Salah, he will be under the protection and security of Allah. (Dailmi on the Authority of Sayeduna Ali)
10) Surah Tabarak (Surah Mulk) saves one from Hell.

[me_omar]

its reported that Ibrahim A.S. wrote a taveez for Ismaeel A.S. when he was a child. taveez is ok. repaeting verses of Quran is ok with good shaykh's ijazah.

about marrying jinn...ummmh....well....i see.......are you thinking about it... ???

[Firdes]

Apologies for bumping this old thread, but I wanted to ask something that's related to the supernatural/spiritualism in Islam.

I recently spoke with a family friend who says he has been visited by spirits, etc. and says he has some kind of healing power. He asked me if there was anything I wanted him to make dua for me and it would happen. Not having heard this sort of thing before, I was a bit put off. I just said to him I only ask Allah subhanau wa'tala and he seemed to be offended.
I also asked him if he had been to hajj, and he said he had been 'taken there' :confused:

He also used a term to describe (holy?) men like himself, unfortunately it wasn't in English, and I can't remember what he called himself, he says he has extra angels on either side of him.

He is an old man and I don't want to show disrespect, but not sure what to say, but I felt uncomfortable. Has anyone else come across this sort of thing before?

[shamson]

Firstly no it is not permissible for a human to marry a jinn. This is because it is haraam for a jinni to enter our world. The ones that do this are disobeying Allah.

excellent DVD regarding the jinns with proof from quran and sunnah(everything bout them) by Abu Suhaib called 'jinn'. you can purchase from www.Wise-Shop.org

And the people who claim that it is ok to hang quranic ayahs around the house for protection/reminder do they not realise that if this was the case then just by having the quran in your house should be sufficient and this should ward off evil etc.

A person can claim to believe in Allah and wear an amulet as a method of cure only but then as soon as the person is scared to take it off or even uncomfortable - this person has commited shirk!

And what someone was saying about people who are too busy to sit down and recite quran can they not recite the 3 Quls/ayatul kursi/surah fatihah from memory?

[shamson]

Apologies for bumping this old thread, but I wanted to ask something that's related to the supernatural/spiritualism in Islam.

I recently spoke with a family friend who says he has been visited by spirits, etc. and says he has some kind of healing power. He asked me if there was anything I wanted him to make dua for me and it would happen. Not having heard this sort of thing before, I was a bit put off. I just said to him I only ask Allah subhanau wa'tala and he seemed to be offended.
I also asked him if he had been to hajj, and he said he had been 'taken there' :confused:

He also used a term to describe (holy?) men like himself, unfortunately it wasn't in English, and I can't remember what he called himself, he says he has extra angels on either side of him.

He is an old man and I don't want to show disrespect, but not sure what to say, but I felt uncomfortable. Has anyone else come across this sort of thing before?


SubhanAllah brother STAY AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE. These people work with the Jinns and this is HARAAM -

Question:
There is a woman who claims to worship Allaah sincerely, and that whilst she is asleep she is visited by a man wearing a white gown who walks around her, then the next morning she predicts things that are almost true. The people know of her and they have started to visit her and they say that she has knowledge of the unseen, but no one knows the unseen except Allaah. What is the ruling on this woman? What do you advise us to do?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible for anyone to claim to have knowledge of the unseen. The one who makes such a claim is a kaafir. And it is not permissible to believe that anyone has knowledge of the unseen. The one who believes that is also a kaafir.

Allaah has told us that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) does not have knowledge of the unseen, and that the jinn do not have knowledge of the unseen.

What we are referring to here is the unseen in absolute terms, which no one knows except Allaah. As for the relative unseen – which some people know and others do not – some people may find a way to know this, so we have to find out how they know it; some may find out by spying and some may find out through the jinn. Both are ways which it is forbidden for us to use.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked:

Do the jinn have knowledge of the unseen?

He replied:

The jinn do not have knowledge of the unseen because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah”

[al-Naml 27:65]

“Then when We decreed death for him [Sulaymaan (Solomon)], nothing informed them (jinn) of his death except a little worm of the earth which kept (slowly) gnawing away at his stick. So when he fell down, the jinn saw clearly that if they had known the Unseen, they would not have stayed in the humiliating torment”

[Saba’ 34:14]

So whoever claims to have knowledge of the unseen is a kaafir, and whoever believes the one who claims to have knowledge of the unseen is also a kaafir, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah”

[al-Naml 27:65]

No one knows what is unseen in the heavens and the earth except Allaah alone. Those who claim to have knowledge of the unseen future are all fortunetellers, and it is proven that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever goes to a fortuneteller and asks him (about anything), his prayer will not be accepted from him for forty days.” And if he believes him then he is a kaafir because if he believes that he has knowledge of the unseen, then he has disbelieved in the words of Allaah (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah”

[al-Naml 27:65].

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 1 Shawwaal, no. 115.

And Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about the ruling on one who claims to have knowledge of the unseen. He replied:

The ruling on one who claims to have knowledge of the unseen is that he is a kaafir, because he has disbelieved in Allaah. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say: None in the heavens and the earth knows the Ghaib (Unseen) except Allaah, nor can they perceive when they shall be resurrected”

[al-Naml 27:65]

If Allaah has commanded His Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to proclaim to all that no one in the heavens or on earth has knowledge of the unseen except Allaah, then whoever claims to have knowledge of the unseen has denied what Allaah has told us here.

We say to them: How can you possibly have knowledge of the unseen when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) did not have knowledge of the unseen? Are you better or the Messenger (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)? If they say, “We are better than the Messenger” then they become kaafirs by saying that. If they say, “He is better,” then why was the unseen concealed from him but you have knowledge of it?? Allaah says of Himself (interpretation of the meaning):

“(He Alone is) the All‑Knower of the Ghayb (Unseen), and He reveals to none His Ghayb (Unseen).

27. Except to a Messenger (from mankind) whom He has chosen (He informs him of the Unseen as much as He likes), and then He makes a band of watching guards (angels) to march before him and behind him.”

[al-Jinn 72:26]

The second verse attests to the kufr of the one who claims to have knowledge of the unseen. And Allaah commanded His Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) to announce to all (interpretation of the meaning):

“Say (O Muhammad): I don’t tell you that with me are the treasures of Allaah, nor (that) I know the Unseen; nor I tell you that I am an angel. I but follow what is revealed to me”

[al-An’aam 6:50]

Majmoo’ Fataawa al-Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen, 1 Shawwaal, no. 22.

The one who predicts the future is called a kaahin (fortuneteller, soothsayer), and it is not permissible to ask questions of such a person or to go to him or her. If their predictions are sometimes correct, that is either a coincidence or because the jinn have intercepted the news and conveyed it to the fortuneteller, but they add a hundred lies to it.

It was narrated that ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) said: Some people asked the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) about fortunetellers. He said: “They are nothing.” They said: “O Messenger of Allaah, sometimes they tell us something and it is true.” The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “That is a word of the truth that they learn from the jinni which he whispers into the ear of his familiar, but they mix a hundred lies with it.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 5429; Muslim, 2228.

Al-Haafiz ibn Hajar said:

Al-Qurtubi said: During the Jaahiliyyah they used to consult the fortunetellers about events and rulings, and follow what they said. Then the fortunetellers stopped when the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) was sent. But there are still some who resemble them. It is forbidden to go to them, so it is not permissible to go to them or to believe them.

In the version narrated by Yoonus the phrase “sometimes they tell us something and it is true” appears as “they tell something and it turns out to be true.” This phrase has confused the questioner because of the general meaning of the phrase “They are nothing”, which he has understood to mean that they never get anything right. But the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) commented that although they sometimes coincidentally get things right, it is never completely right for it is always contaminated with many lies.

Al-Khattaabi said: The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) explained that the reason why the fortuneteller sometimes gets it right is that the jinni tells him of something that he has heard by eavesdropping on the angels, and he adds lies to that to embellish what he heard. So occasionally he gets it right but usually it is wrong. Fath al-Baari, 10.219, 220.

With regard to what is mentioned in the question of what this woman sees in her dreams, such dreams are not to be taken as evidence concerning rulings of sharee’ah, let alone whatever they may indicate that goes against any matter of ‘aqeedah (belief) that is confirmed in the texts of Islam. Whatever she sees in her dreams is to be regarded as the Shaytaan’s toying with her and taking advantage of her ignorance.

[AbuMubarak]

http://www.alhudapk.com/audio-video/assorted/rajab/rajab.asp

[Mujaheedah]

I read the book "The world of the Jinn and Devils." and in it they said that it is possible to marry a jinn but it is not recommended by the 'Ulemma.

[shamson]

[QUOTE=Mujaheedah;2025894]I read the book "The world of the Jinn and Devils." and in it they said that it is possible to marry a jinn but it is not recommended by the 'Ulemma.[/QUOTE

It is haraam for jinns to come into contact with humans (for those who do the only purpose can be for dawah etc. example of when the prophet SAW was reciting Quran and the jinns were listening etc.) but if you read ayahs and hadiths to do with marriage a man can ONLY Marry a WOMEN no where does it state that a man or woman can marry a jinni. they have their world and we have ours.

Jinns marry and reproduce - how can they do this with humans? will the babies be human or made of smokeless fire? Does that mean that when you marry a jinn you have to enter their world or that your jinni husband/wife comes into our world to live?

[Firdes]

SubhanAllah brother STAY AWAY FROM THESE PEOPLE. These people work with the Jinns and this is HARAAM -



That's what I thought sis (btw, I'm female too :) ) I told my mother this, who has know this man for many years, and she asked him if he had his help from the jinn, but he says, he doesn't have anything to do with jinns, and his assistance comes from the angels that sit either side of him, it all comes from Allah subhanu wa'tala... Apparently people go to him far and wide as he has healed people's ailments. does this make any sense?