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01-07-04, 08:56 PM
A man once approached one of the great Chassidic leaders, who in turn asked him, "For what did you come here?"
"To find G-d."
"Then you came for nothing. You're wasting your time."
"Why?"
"G-d is everywhere."
"Then, tell me, master, why should I have come?"
"To find yourself."
Respectfully,
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AbuMubarak
10-07-04, 10:20 AM
Pillars of Islam and Moral Values
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Purpose of Prophethood - Perfection of Morals
The Prophet (peace be upon him) summarized his Islamic mission with the following words:
"I have been sent only for the purpose of perfecting good morals."
The purpose of the great message which has left an indelible impression on the history of life was a means to strengthen the moral character.
Worship is compulsory in Islam, and is thus included in the basic pillars of faith. However, the Islamic forms of worship are not strange, mystic exercises that link man with an unknown being, subjecting him to perform useless acts and meaningless movements. All the Islamic forms of worship are designed as a type of training to enable people to acquire correct morals and habits, to live righteously, and to adhere to these virtues throughout their lives.
Prayer Prevents Sin
'Salat' (prayer) is an obligatory act of worship that man is willingly attracted to. He offers it continuously, so that his life may be free from all diseases and the body may be healthy and strong. The Holy Qur'an and the Sunnah of the Prophet (peace be upon him) are proofs of this reality.
When Allah commanded the prayers to be established, He stated its wisdom in this way: "The Prayers prohibit obscenity and evil."
Keeping the worshipper away from evil, wickedness and to purify him from sins are also realities of the prayer. In a Hadith Qudsi (A saying of Allah revealed separate from the Qur'an) it is stated:
"I accept the prayers of the person who adopts the policy of humility with it on account of My greatness, obliges My creatures, does not insist on sinning against Me, spends his day remembering Me, and is kind to the poor, the traveler, the weak and the oppressed."
'Zakat' is a Means of Purification
Zakat (alms giving) has been made compulsory on those who are eligible. It is not merely a tax that is collected form the pockets of the people, but its foremost purpose is to sow the seeds of kindness and benevolence, and to facilitate interaction among the various sections of the society. This, in turn, establishes a relationship of love and friendliness amongst the masses.
The purpose of paying Zakat has been stated in the Qur'an in the following words: "O Prophet! Take charity from their property so that it may clean them and purify them." [9: 103]
Cleansing the soul of worldly impurities and raising the standard of society to the heights of decency and purity are some wisdoms behind the levy of Zakat. For this reason, Zakat has been made compulsory for every eligible Muslim. The Prophet has said: "To smile in the company of your brother is charity. Commanding (people) to do good deeds and preventing others from doing evil is charity. To guide a person from going astray is charity. To remove harmful things like thorns and bones from the road is charity. To pour water form your jug into the jug of your brother is charity. To guide a person with defective vision is charity for you." (Bukhari)
Fasting Leads to Righteousness
Similarly, Islam has made fasting compulsory. But it is not envisaged that men should only keep away from their carnal desires and other prohibited things for a fixed period. The Prophet (PBUH) said:
"Fasting is not merely keeping away from eating and drinking, but it is keeping away from wicked and obscene things. If, in the state of fasting, someone abuses you attempts to quarrel with you, say: "I am fasting."
Allah says about fasting in the Qur'an:
"Fasting has been made compulsory for you, as it was made compulsory for those (followers of earlier prophets) who preceded you, so that you may become righteous." (2: 183)
'Hajj' (Pilgrimage) Weakens the Love of this World
Man often supposes that traveling to holy places and performing the pilgrimage to Makkah, an Islamic pillar that is obligatory on every capable (financially and physically) Muslim, is merely a form of worship having no relation to morality and character. This is a clear misunderstanding. Allah says:
"The Hajj is in the well-known months. So whoever intends to perform Hajj should not have sexual relations (with his wife), nor commit sin, nor dispute during the Hajj. And whatever good you do, Allah knows it. And take a provision for the journey (for Hajj), and the best provision is righteousness. So fear me, O men of understanding!" [Holy Qur'an, 2: 197]
What has been mentioned above is merely an outline of some the of the major, well-known, generally practiced forms of worship in Islam, and they are from its basic pillars. They illustrate the deep relationship between religion and morality as well as the strength and longevity of this relationship.
How varying these forms of worship are from one another in spirit and appearance, but how close they are in aim and purpose, which the Prophet (PBUH) declared as his main objective.
Therefore Prayer, Fasting, Zakat, Hajj and other forms of worship are the stepping stones for true perfection, and are the means of cleanliness and purity which make life secure and magnificent. This is on account of the noble characteristics and qualities that are undeniable elements and consequences of these forms of worship.
Allah says: "Verily, whoever comes to His Lord as a Mujrim (criminal, polytheist, sinner, disbeliever in the Oneness of Allah and His Messengers), then surely, for him is Hell, wherein he will neither die nor live. But whoever comes to Him (Allah) as a believer (in the Oneness of Allah), and has done righteous good deeds, for such are the high ranks (in the Hereafter)." [Holy Qur'an 20: 74-75]
[Excerpts from: Muslims Character, by M. Al Ghazali]
WEDNESDAY:09/06/2004
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Tahiyah
08-08-04, 05:56 PM
A man once approached one of the great Chassidic leaders, who in turn asked him, "For what did you come here?"
"To find G-d."
"Then you came for nothing. You're wasting your time."
"Why?"
"G-d is everywhere."
"Then, tell me, master, why should I have come?"
"To find yourself."
Respectfully,
History
lol. this is to cute.
my favorite "search for God" story is Prophet Abraham (saw)
in his story are beautiful examples of seeking truth.
i often wonder what causes an athiest to come to the conclusion that there is no God. it just seems so natural to believe in the Creator.
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08-08-04, 07:53 PM
Dear Tahiyah,
Thank you for your post.
One Jewish understanding, based on the Patriarch Abraham in Beresheis (Genesis) and reiterated by the modern Jewish philosopher Abraham J Heschel is that Man is not only searching for G-d but G-d is in search of man. As we know in our daily lives, for any relationship to last and have meaning, it need be two-way. Thus Abraham argues with G-d over Justice (Beresheis 18:25):
It would be sacrilege to You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the righteous along with the wicked; so the righteous shall be like the wicked. It would be sacrilege to You! Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justice?
From the dustjacket of A Philosophy of Judaism: God in Search of Man by Abraham J Heschel:
...Religion is an answer to man's ultimate questions, and the essence of religious existence is man's response to the grandeur and mystery of living. Man's question about God is God's question about man. Return to God is an answer to Him....Knowledge of God is knowledge of living with God. How should man, abeing created in the likeness of God, live in a way which is compatible with his dignity? God and man have a task in common. Just as man is not alone in what he is, he is not alone in what he does. It is more meaningful for us to believe in the immanence of God in good deeds even more than the immanence of God in nature.
From both Abrahams comes the assessment that we have purpose under G-d, Blessed be His Name, a shared purpose "to do what is good and right"--actions which are benefit to the body and spirit of Man and G-d's Creation.
Respectfully,
History
Abraham argues with G-d over Justice (Beresheis 18:25):
It would be sacrilege to You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the righteous along with the wicked; so the righteous shall be like the wicked. It would be sacrilege to You! Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justice?
From the dustjacket of A Philosophy of Judaism: God in Search of Man by Abraham J Heschel:
...Religion is an answer to man's ultimate questions, and the essence of religious existence is man's response to the grandeur and mystery of living. Man's question about God is God's question about man. Return to God is an answer to Him....Knowledge of God is knowledge of living with God. How should man, abeing created in the likeness of God, live in a way which is compatible with his dignity? God and man have a task in common. Just as man is not alone in what he is, he is not alone in what he does. It is more meaningful for us to believe in the immanence of God in good deeds even more than the immanence of God in nature.
Doe Judaism teach that mankind can instruct or admonish God concerning His Justice, or what Justice (in general) constitutes?.
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09-08-04, 06:24 PM
Dear Jamila,
Thank you for your post.
As Abraham demonstrates in Beresheis, G-d and Humanity share a relationship, one unique in Creation in that we have been gifted Free Will. One not only can but should dialogue even argue with G-d, Blessed be His Name. As with Teacher and student, Parent and child, this is how human beings learn and mature. Questioning G-d does not conflict with recognizing and obeying G-d as the Authority. As Abraham (and we) learn in Beresheis 18, Abraham's understanding of the Judge of all the earth should act with justice is Truth. The righteous should not be destroyed with the wicked. And in their dialogue where Abraham bargains with G-d to spare Sodom and Gommorah if 10 righteous people can be found, we learn that G-d and Abraham agree on this concept of justice and how much more valuable is the righteous than the wicked when 10 can spare thousands. What Abraham and we also come to learn in the following chapters is that there are not 10 righteous people in Sodom and Gomorrah. G-d, Blessed be His Name, knew this all along. But the lesson in regard to justice and righteousness which came out of Abraham's argument with G-d is a vital one for Man to understand, to chose with his free will, and to practice. G-d is a Patient and Loving Teacher.
Judaism is not a blind faith but a reasoning one--with G-d as our Teacher. This is one lesson Abraham and G-d, Blessed be His Name, gift us in Beresheis 18.
Respectfully,
History
P.S. As an aside, there is a Talmudic teaching that because of Free Will, once G-d has given His Law to Man at Sinai, it is up to Man to interpret and apply it as best we can. If you are interested I will be glad to share the aggadic passage (a parable).
Actually, the story of Abraham and the plea for Sodom is known in Islam, too. However, the wording of the dialogue is a little different. Whereas you quote,
It would be sacrilege to You to do such a thing, to bring death upon the righteous along with the wicked; so the righteous shall be like the wicked. It would be sacrilege to You! Shall the Judge of all the earth not do justice?The Islamic source says that Ibrahim asked whether Allah would spare it (without chiding God concerning His Justice - let alone implying sacrilege should God decide not to spare the city). In Islam, nothing God does can be sacrilegious, because God is the Knower and the Sacred. How can God commit sacrilege?
Does Judeaism teach that Man can judge God in matters sacred?
This has nothing to do with the first post, just Muslims in general.
Allah is not everywhere. He is in Jannah above the 'Arsh. His creation is everywhere around us, not Him.
AbuMubarak
15-08-04, 01:25 AM
This has nothing to do with the first post, just Muslims in general.
Allah is not everywhere. He is in Jannah above the 'Arsh. His creation is everywhere around us, not Him.nadia
i am sure most of us here would have a problem with ALLAH IS IN JANNAH
jannah is a creation of Allah, He is not contained within his creation
Abdullah al-Muhajir
15-08-04, 03:31 AM
The grace and Love of Allah, Glorified and Exalted be He, radiates itself unto each and every sphere.
nadia
i am sure most of us here would have a problem with ALLAH IS IN JANNAH
jannah is a creation of Allah, He is not contained within his creation
I looked over my hasty post and saw the error in it. Jazzak Allah khair for pointing it out for me. What I meant to say is basically what you said in your post, but I didn't do it very well.
However, I disagree with the expression of "God is everywhere" because it is also restricting Allah to His creation (time and space), and I've heard Muslims say things like this time and again. Allah encompasses everything and is above it, meaning that He encompasses "everything" and is above it.
And now I've realized that I'm probably not making any sense so I'll just shut it.
AbuMubarak
21-08-04, 02:37 AM
The Treatment To Be Given To Souls And The Reform of Vicious Characters
Imam Ibn Hazm (http://www.gawab.com/cgi-bin/gawabcli?redirect=http%3A%2F%2Fislaam.com%2FSchola r.aspx%3Fid%3D58)
In Pursuit of Virtue (Al Akhlaq Was Siyar Fi Mudawat Al Nufus)
M. Abu Laylah
© 1990 Ta Ha Publishers
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In the name of Allah the most merciful and clement: [O Allah I implore your assistance, O Allah bless Muhammad and his family and grant them peace.]
Abd Muhammad 'Ali Ibn Ahmad Ibn Sa'id Ibn Hazm [the Andalusian jurist]. Allah may be blessed with him has said:
1. Praise be to Allah for His great gifts. May Allah bless [our master] Muhammad, His servant, the seal of His Prophets and Messengers; may He grant them eternal blessings. I rely on Him for any ability and strength I may have, and I seek His aid and protection against all the various terrors and ills of this world. And may He deliver me from all horror and suffering in the next world.
2. Now, I have gathered together in this book numerous ideas which Allah, the provider of intellect, has enabled me to profit from as day succeeded day, [and year succeeded year] and circumstances altered, permitting me to understand the vicissitudes of fate and to control its fluctuations, to the extent that I have devoted the larger part of my life to it. I have chosen to master these problems by study and contemplation, rather than throw myself into the various sensual pleasures which attract most souls on this earth, and rather than amass unnecessary wealth. I have gathered together all my observations into this book in the hope that the Almighty may allow it to benefit whichever of His servants He wishes who has access to [is capable of understanding] my book, in the matters over which I have slaved, devoting all my efforts to them and reflecting at length upon them. I hope that it will be well received, and I present it with good intentions and blessings [with a good heart].
This book will benefit a person more than financial treasures and the possession of property, if he meditates upon it, and if Allah enables him to make good use of it. As for myself, my hope in this enterprise is to win the greatest reward from Allah, since my intention is to help His servants, to remedy whatever is corrupt in their character, and to heal the sickness of their souls. I beseech the assistance of Allah [Almighty, we wish only for God, the best of defenders].
Section dealing with the Treatment to be given to Souls, and the Reform of Vicious Characters.
3. The pleasure which a prudent man has from his own good sense, a scholar from his knowledge, a wise man from his wisdom, the pleasure of anyone who works hard in ways pleasing to Almighty God, is greater than the pleasure which a gourmet has from his food, a drinking man from his tipple, a lover from the act of love, a conqueror from his conquest, a reveller from his amusements [the player from his game] or a commander from giving orders. The proof of this is that the wise man, the prudent man, the scholar,' the practising Muslim and all those that we have mentioned are capable of enjoying these pleasures as much as the man who indulges in them. They have the same feelings, desires as those who hasten to satisfy them. But they have deliberately refrained and turned away from them, preferring to seek after moral excellence. None can judge these two [kinds of pleasure] except someone who has known both, not someone who has known one and not the other.
4. [As things happen one after the other] If you look deeply into worldly matters you will become melancholy and will end by reflecting upon the ephemeral nature of everything here below, and the fact that truth lies only in striving for the hereafter, since every ambition to which you might cling will end in tears; either the goal is snatched from you, or you have to give the attempt up before you reach it. One of these two endings is inevitable except in the search for God the Almighty and Powerful. Then the result is always joy, both immediate and eternal. The immediate joy is because you stop worrying about the things which usually worry people; this leads to an increase in the respect paid to you by friends and enemies alike. The eternal joy is the joy of Paradise.
5. I have tried to find one goal which everyone would agree to be excellent and worthy of being striven after. I have found one only: to be free from anxiety. When I reflected upon it, I realized that not only do all agree in valuing it and desiring it, but I also perceived that, despite their many different passions and aspirations and preoccupations and desires, they never make the slightest gesture unless it is to dispel anxiety, they never utter a single word unless it is designed to drive anxiety far away. One man loses his way, another comes close to going wrong, finally another is successful - but he is a rare man, and. success is rare, [O, all-knowing God].
Dispelling anxiety is a goal upon which all nations agree from the time when the Almighty created the world until the day when this world will pass away and be followed by the Day of Judgment - and their actions are directed to this goal alone. In the case of every other objective there will always be some people who do not desire it.
For example, some people are not religious and do not take eternity into account.
There are some who by nature and inclination prefer obscurity to fame [the obscurity of satisfied passion].
There are some people of evil nature who are not striving for good, for peace [loyalty] or for justice.
There are some who have no interest in amassing a fortune, preferring abstinence to ownership; this was the case with many of the Prophets. God's peace be upon them - and those who followed their example, ascetics and philosophers. There are some who by nature dislike sensual pleasures and scorn those who seek after them, such as those men we have just mentioned, and who prefer to lose a fortune rather than gain one. Some prefer ignorance to knowledge, in fact most of the people that you see in the street are like this. These are the objectives of people who have no other aim in life. Nobody in the whole world, from the time of its creation until its end, would deliberately choose anxiety, and would not desire to drive it far away.
6. When I had arrived at this great piece of wisdom, when I had discovered this amazing secret, when Allah the Almighty had opened the eyes of my mind [spirit] to see this great treasure, I began to search for the way which would truly enable me to dispel anxiety, that precious goal desired by every kind of person, whether ignorant or scholarly, good or evil. I found it in one place alone, in the action of turning towards God the Almighty and powerful, in pious works performed with an eye to eternity.
7. Thus the only reason that someone chases after riches is to dispel the anguish of poverty. The only reason that someone seeks fame is to dispel the anxiety of seeing someone else outdo him. The only reason that someone chases after pleasures is to dispel the anxiety of missing them. The only reason that someone chases after knowledge is to dispel the anxiety of being ignorant about something.
People enjoy listening to other people's conversation and gossip only because it dispels the anxiety of being alone and isolated. People eat, drink, make love, wear clothes, play games, build a shelter, mount a horse, go for a walk, only in order to avoid the reverse of all these actions and every other kind of anxiety.
8. In all the actions listed here, anyone who pauses to reflect will see that anxieties will inevitably occur, such as problems which arise in the course of the action, the impossibility of performing the impossible, the fleeting nature of any achievements, and the inability to enjoy something because of some difficulty. There are also bad consequences which arise from every success: fear of one's rival, attacks by the jealous, theft by the covetous, loss to an enemy, not to mention criticism, sin and such things. On the other hand, I have found that actions performed with an eye on eternity are free from every kind of fault, free from every stain, and a true means of dispelling anxiety. I have found that the man who is striving for eternity may be sorely tested by bad fortune on his way but does not worry; on the contrary, he is glad, because the trial to which he is subjected gives rise to hope, which aids him in his endeavour and sets him the more firmly on the path towards his true desire. I have found that, when he finds his way blocked by an obstacle, he does not worry, because it is not his fault, and he did not choose the actions that he will have to answer for. I have seen such a man be glad, when others have wished evil upon him, and be glad when he has undergone some trial, and be glad when he has suffered on his chosen path, and be glad, always [living] in a permanent state of joy while others are permanently the opposite. You should therefore understand that there is only one objective to strive for, it is to dispel anxiety; and only one path leads to this, and that is the service of the most high God. Everything else is misguided and absurd.
9. Do not use your energy except for a cause more noble than yourself. Such a cause cannot be found except in Almighty God Himself: to preach the truth, to defend womanhood, to repel humiliation which your creator has not imposed upon you, to help the oppressed. Anyone who uses his energy for the sake of the vanities of the world is like someone who exchanges gemstones for gravel.
10. There is no nobility in anyone who lacks faith.
11. The wise man knows that the only fitting price for his soul is a place in Paradise.
12. Satan sets his traps, under the cover of finding fault with hypocrisy. It can happen that someone refrains from doing a good deed for fear of being thought a hypocrite. [If Satan whispers such an idea in your ear, take no notice; that will frustrate him.]
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21-08-04, 04:30 PM
Where the search for G-d begins
A man once approached one of the great Chassidic leaders, who in turn asked him, "For what did you come here?"
"To find G-d."
"Then you came for nothing. You're wasting your time."
"Why?"
"G-d is everywhere."
"Then, tell me, master, why should I have come?"
"To find yourself."
Respectfully,
History
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