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22-06-04, 11:25 PM

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An Act Of Faith

They say,
"Oh, poor girl, you’re so beautiful you know
It’s a shame that you cover up your beauty so."

She just smiles and graciously responds reassuringly,
"This beauty that I have is just one simple part of me.

This body that I have, no stranger has the right to see.
These long clothes, this shawl I wear, ensure my modesty.

Faith is more essential than fashion, wouldn’t you agree?"

This hijab,
This mark of piety,
Is an act of faith, a symbol,
For all the world to see

A simple cloth, to protect her dignity

So lift the veil from your heart
to see the heart of purity

They tell her,
"Girl, don’t you know this is the West and you are free?
You don’t need to be oppressed, ashamed of your femininity."

She just shakes her head and she speaks so assuredly,
"See the bill-boards and the magazines that line the check-out isles,

with their phony painted faces and their air-brushed smiles?
Well their sheer clothes and low cut gowns they are really not for me.

You call it freedom, I call it anarchy."

This hijab,
This mark of piety,
Is an act of faith, a symbol,
For all the world to see

A simple cloth, to protect her dignity

So lift the veil from your heart
to see the heart of purity

Lift the veil from your heart
and seek the heart of purity

AbuMubarak

28-06-04, 10:23 AM

Why She Won’t Wear Hijab!

a discussion by A.Q. Alidost

“I’m so tired”
“Tired of what?”
“Of all these people judging me.”
“Who judged you?”
“Like that woman, every time I sit with her, she tells me to wear hijab.”
“Oh, hijab and music! The mother of all topics!”
“Yeah! I listen to music without hijab…haha!”
“Maybe she was just giving you advice.”
“I don’t need her advice. I know my religion. Can‘t she mind her own business?”
“Maybe you misunderstood. She was just being nice.”
“Keeping out of my business, that would be nice...”

“But it’s her duty to encourage you do to good.”
“Trust me. That was no encouragement. And what do you mean ‘good‘ ?”
“Well, wearing hijab, that would be a good thing to do.”
“Says who?”
“It’s in the Qur’an, isn’t it?”
“Yes. She did quote me something.”
“She said Surah Nur, and other places of the Qur’an.”
“Yes, but it’s not a big sin anyway. Helping people and praying is more important.”
“True. But big things start with small things.”
“That’s a good point, but what you wear is not important. What’s important is to have a good healthy heart.”
“What you wear is not important?”
“That’s what I said.”
“Then why do you spend an hour every morning fixing up?”
“What do you mean?”
“You spend money on cosmetics, not to mention all the time you spend on fixing your hair and low-carb dieting.”
“So?”
“So, your appearance IS important.”
“No. I said wearing hijab is not an important thing in religion.”
“If it’s not an important thing in religion, why is it mentioned in the Holy Qur’an?”
“You know I can’t follow all that’s in Qur’an.”
“You mean God tells you something to do, you disobey and then it’s OK?”
“Yes. God is forgiving.”
“God is forgiving to those who repent and do not repeat their mistakes.”
“Says who?”
“Says the same book that tells you to cover.”
“But I don’t like hijab, it limits my freedom.”
“But the lotions, lipsticks, mascara and other cosmetics set you free?! What‘s your definition of freedom anyway?”
“Freedom is in doing whatever you like to do.”
“No. Freedom is in doing the right thing, not in doing whatever we wish to do.”
“Look! I’ve seen so many people who don’t wear hijab and are nice people, and so many who wear hijab and are bad people.”
“So what? There are people who are nice to you but are alcoholic. Should we all be alcoholics? You made a stupid point.”
“I don’t want to be an extremist or a fanatic. I’m OK the way I am without hijab.”
“Then you are a secular fanatic. An extremist in disobeying God.”
“You don’t get it, if I wear hijab, who would marry me?!”
“So all these people with hijab never get married?!”
“Okay! What if I get married and my husband doesn’t like it? And wants me to remove it?”
“What if your husband wants you to go out with him on a bank robbery?!”
“That’s irrelevant, bank robbery is a crime.”
“Disobeying your Creator is not a crime?”
“But then who would hire me?”
“A company that respects people for who they are.”
“Not after 9-11”
“Yes. After 9-11. Don’t you know about Hanan who just got into med school? And the other one, what was her name, the girl who always wore a white hijab…ummm…“
“Yasmeen?”
“Yes. Yasmeen. She just finished her MBA and is now interning for GE.”
“Why do you reduce religion to a piece of cloth anyway?”
“Why do you reduce womanhood to high heals and lipstick colors?”
“You didn’t answer my question.”
“In fact, I did. Hijab is not just a piece of cloth. It is obeying God in a difficult environment. It is courage, faith in action, and true womanhood. But your short sleeves, tight pants…”
“That’s called ‘fashion‘, you live in a cave or something? First of all, hijab was founded by men who wanted to control women.”
“Really? I did not know men could control women by hijab.”
“Yes. That’s what it is.”
“What about the women who fight their husbands to wear hijab? And women in France who are forced to remove their hijab by men? What do you say about that?”
“Well, that’s different.”
“What difference? The woman who asked you to wear hijab…she was a woman, right?”
“Right, but…”
“But fashions that are designed and promoted by male-dominated corporations, set you free? Men have no control on exposing women and using them as a commodity?! Give me a break!”
“Wait, let me finish, I was saying…”
“Saying what? You think that men control women by hijab?”
“Yes.”
“Specifically how?”
“By telling women how and what to wear, dummy!”
“Doesn’t TV, magazines and movies tell you what to wear, and how to be ‘attractive’?”
“Of course, it’s fashion.”
“Isn’t that control? Pressuring you to wear what they want you to wear?”
Silence
“Not just controlling you, but also controlling the market.”
“What do you mean?”
“I mean, you are told to look skinny and anorexic like that woman on the cover of the magazine, by men who design those magazines and sell those products.”
“I don’t get it. What does hijab have to do with products.”
“It has everything to do with that. Don’t you see? Hijab is a threat to consumerism, women who spend billions of dollars to look skinny and live by standards of fashion designed by men…and then here is Islam, saying trash all that nonsense and focus on your soul, not on your looks, and do not worry what men think of your looks.”
“Like I don’t have to buy hijab? Isn’t hijab a product?”
“Yes, it is. It is a product that sets you free from male-dominated consumerism.”
“Stop lecturing me! I WILL NOT WEAR HIJAB! It is awkward, outdated, and totally not suitable for this society ... Moreover, I am only 20 and too young to wear hijab!”
“Fine. Say that to your Lord, when you face Him on Judgment Day.”
“Fine.”
“Fine.”
Silence
“Shut up and I don’t want to hear more about hijab niqab schmijab Punjab !”
Silence.

She stared at the mirror, tired of arguing with herself all this time. Successful enough, she managed to shut the voices in her head, with her own opinions triumphant in victory on the matter, and a final modern decision accepted by the society, rejected by the Faith: Yes to curls on the hair, no to hijab.

“And he(/she) is indeed a failure who corrupts it [the soul]!” Holy Qur’an, 91/10

Subhana'Allah!!!

***

a Poem about Hijab.

Our Hijab

Proud with our Hijab, Niqab and Burqah...

The hair is the crowning glory of every women.
Our long hair professes our beauty and most powerful of our image.
Our eyes speaks louder than our voice.
Our voice speaks louder than our body.
Our body is the very case of our being.
Our softness is a blessing from Allah, the Creator.
But this beauty becomes a medium for sinful eyes.
Allah is indeed Merciful and our Protector.
Alhamdullilah for Hijab...Niqab...and Burqah...
Truly the identity of every Muslimah.

Hijab, a covering that implies inner and outer modesty.
It is quite impossible to see the inside when one observe the outside.
Hijab is not some kind of culture or racial identity.
Rather our hijab is the identity required by Allah.

"Oh Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women so as not to be annoyed.)" (Ahzaab 59)

A Muslimah are accused of having a " fish brain " because of our hijab.
We are accused of being a " terrorist " because of our hijab.
We are accused of being an "Arab" because of our hijab.
We are accused of being an "oppressed "creature because of our hijab.
We are accused of living our lives in the "past" because of our hijab.
We are accused of being over protective of our body because of our hijab.
We are accuse of many thing because of our hijab.
Is this the reason why some of our claiming Muslimah abandoned hijab?

Without the hijab , we are completely stripped naked.
Without hijab , we are completely oppressed and exploited.
Without hijab, we are disrespected by those sinful eyes.
Without hijab , we are treated just exactly as a non Muslim.
Without hijab, we lost our outer modesty, more so affects our inner modesty.
Without hijab, we are susceptible in inviting sin ourselves.

Hijab is every Muslimah's shield.
The very identity that tells a Muslimah that ," she is another Muslimah",
one who pleases Allah by following his commandments.
Hijab serves as a form of dawah for us.
It reminds another Muslimah that this is our true identity.
It reminds the whole world that a Muslimah is a unique individual incomparable to other women.

Hijab is what makes a Muslimah.
The very identity of the Muslimaat.

They Wear Hijab and They are Proud with it!

They wear Niqab and they are Love with it!

They wear Burqa and They Like Live with it!

***

some links about Hijab, Niqab and Burqah!

HIJAB: HOW IT PROTECTS AND BENEFITS WOMEN AND SOCIETY

This Is Hijab

Niqaab: No Excuses! - Sister Aaminah Raheemah refutes some common arguments made against niqab

Respect for Niqab - Why all Muslims should respect and support niqabis

Understanding the Face Veil - An article primarily intended for non-Muslims to help them understand my position on niqab

What If You Make Fun of Niqab? - The sin of those who mock niqabis in the deen

Niqab Stories - Read some personal stories by sisters about how they came to wear niqab

No, Yes... - A little poem about full veiling by sister Lovin' Niqaab. Enjoy!

About Islam : http://www.my-islam.cjb.net

Islamic Articles, Poems and Advises: http://www.myroses.cjb.net

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Muslimah56

28-06-04, 02:15 PM

Mash a Allah, I liked very much this conversation about the female Islamic dress code, I just like also to share a point, the dress code is only one aspect, behaviour and mannersim is even more important. Not to drop the dress code though but it does not help without over all modesty.

Jazakum Allah khairan and may Allah assist all Muslim females to observe the dress and behaviour code

Shades

10-07-04, 10:37 AM

Hijaab for men

People usually only discuss ‘hijaab’ in the context of women. However, in the Glorious Qur’an, Allah (swt) first mentions ‘hijaab’ for men before ‘hijaab’ for the women. The Qur’an mentions in Surah Noor:

"Say to the believing men that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty: that will make for greater purity for them: and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do."
[Al-Qur’an 24:30]

The moment a man looks at a woman and if any brazen or unashamed thought comes to his mind, he should lower his gaze.

Hijaab for women.

The next verse of Surah Noor, says:

" And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what (must ordinarily) appear thereof; that they should draw veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands, their fathers, their husbands’ fathers, their sons..."
[Al-Qur’an 24:31]

Six criteria for Hijaab.
According to Qur’an and Sunnah there are basically six criteria for observing hijaab:

Extent:

The first criterion is the extent of the body that should be covered. This is different for men and women. The extent of covering obligatory on the male is to cover the body at least from the navel to the knees. For women, the extent of covering obligatory is to cover the complete body except the face and the hands upto the wrist. If they wish to, they can cover even these parts of the body. Some scholars of Islam insist that the face and the hands are part of the obligatory extent of ‘hijaab’.

All the remaining five criteria are the same for men and women.

>The clothes worn should be loose and should not reveal the figure.
>The clothes worn should not be transparent such that one can see through them.
>The clothes worn should not be so glamorous as to attract the opposite sex.
>The clothes worn should not resemble that of the opposite sex.
>The clothes worn should not resemble that of the unbelievers i.e. they should not wear clothes that are specifically identities or symbols of the unbelievers’ religions.

Hijaab includes conduct and behaviour among other things

Complete ‘hijaab’, besides the six criteria of clothing, also includes the moral conduct, behaviour, attitude and intention of the individual. A person only fulfilling the criteria of ‘hijaab’ of the clothes is observing ‘hijaab’ in a limited sense. ‘Hijaab’ of the clothes should be accompanied by ‘hijaab’ of the eyes, ‘hijaab’ of the heart, ‘hijaab’ of thought and ‘hijaab’ of intention. It also includes the way a person walks, the way a person talks, the way he behaves, etc.

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text by Islamic Research Foundation (www.irf.net (http://www.irf.net))

peace2u

12-07-04, 06:53 PM

AbuMubarak

16-07-04, 12:02 PM

THE SECOND SURAH: AL-BAQARAH (THE COW): MEDINA PERIOD

Translation:
IN THE NAME OF GOD, THE MOST GRACIOUS, THE DISPENSER OF GRACE:

(112) Yea, indeed: everyone who surrenders his whole being unto God, [91] and
is a doer of good withal, shall have his reward with his Sustainer; and all
such need have no fear, and neither shall they grieve. [92]

(113) Furthermore, the Jews assert, "The Christians have no valid ground for
their beliefs," while the Christians assert, "The Jews have no valid ground
for their beliefs" - and both quote the divine writ! Even thus, like unto
what they say, have [always] spoken those who were devoid of knowledge; [93]
but it is God who will judge between them on Resurrection Day with regard to
all on which they were wont to differ. [94]

(114) Hence, who could be more wicked than those who bar the mention of God's
name from [any of] His houses of worship and strive for their ruin,
[although] they have no right to enter them save in fear [of God]?" For them,
in this world, there is ignominy in store; and for them, in the life to come,
awesome suffering.

Interpretation:

[91] Lit., "who surrenders his face unto God". Since the face of a person is
the most expressive part of his body, it is used in classical Arabic to
denote one's whole personality, or whole being. This expression, repeated in
the Qur'an several times, provides a perfect definition of islam, which -
derived from the root-verb aslama, "he surrendered himself" - means "self-
surrender [to God]": and it is in this sense that the terms islam and muslim
are used throughout the Qur'an. (For a full discussion of this concept, see
my note on 68: 35, where the expression muslim occurs for the first time in
the chronological order of revelation.)

[92] Thus, according to the Qur'an, salvation is not reserved for any
particular "denomination", but is open to everyone who consciously realizes
the oneness of God, surrenders himself to His will and, by living
righteously, gives practical effect to this spiritual attitude.

[93] An allusion to all who assert that only the followers of their own
denomination shall partake of God's grace in the hereafter.

[94] In other words, "God will confirm the truth of what was true [in their
respective beliefs] and show the falseness of what was false [therein]"
(Muhammad Abduh in Manar I, 428). The Qur'an maintains throughout that there
is a substantial element of truth in all faiths based on divine revelation,
and that their subsequent divergencies are the result of "wishful beliefs"
(2: 111) and of a gradual corruption of the original teachings. (See also 22:
67-69.)

[95] It is one of the fundamental principles of Islam that every religion
which has belief in God as its focal point must be accorded full respect,
however much one may disagree with its particular tenets. Thus, the Muslims
are under an obligation to honour and protect any house of worship dedicated
to God, whether it be a mosque or a church or a synagogue (cf. the second
paragraph of 22: 40); and any attempt to prevent the followers of another
faith from worshipping God according to their own lights is condemned by the
Qur'an as a sacrilege. A striking illustration of this principle is
forthcoming from the Prophet's treatment of the deputation from Christian
Najran in the year 10 H. They were given free access to the Prophet's mosque,
and with his full consent celebrated their religious rites there, although
their adoration of Jesus as "the son of God" and of Mary as "the mother of
God" was fundamentally at variance with Islamic beliefs (see Ibn Sad I/l, 84
f.).

Source:
The Message of the Qur'an: Translated and explained by Muhammad Asad.

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AbuMubarak

20-07-04, 02:26 AM

www.prohijab.net

out of the UK

AbuMubarak

27-08-04, 04:49 PM

as we know, a sister who wears hijab is a sister who is obeying Allah, in one more aspect, it doesnt mean she is saintly, she is just publically obeying her Lord

a sister who doesnt wear hijab is publically disobeying Allah and we should pray for her guidance

and a sister who says that hijab is not required is speaking heresy because Allah commands the wearing of not only hijab but jilbab

Crono

08-09-04, 03:15 PM

a sister that does not wear a hijab is NOT a sister to begin with

Muslimah56

09-09-04, 08:06 AM

a sister that does not wear a hijab is NOT a sister to begin withas salam alykom
a sister who is not abiding by the Islamic dress code for women is committing a sin, may Allah forgive her, but u can not say she is not a sister, because Allah Forgives any sin except that one takes associates with him. I think we must be a bit careful of what we say lest we ourselves fall into sins making judgement on behalf of Allah, plus who does not commit sins or fall short we all wish that Allah Forgives us too I am not right?

.: Anna :.

09-09-04, 10:21 AM

as salam alykom
a sister who is not abiding by the Islamic dress code for women is committing a sin, may Allah forgive her, but u can not say she is not a sister, because Allah Forgives any sin except that one takes associates with him. I think we must be a bit careful of what we say lest we ourselves fall into sins making judgement on behalf of Allah, plus who does not commit sins or fall short we all wish that Allah Forgives us too I am not right?
I agree...:up:

Songbird

13-09-04, 09:43 AM

a sister that does not wear a hijab is NOT a sister to begin with
Geez, so my mother that raised me a Muslim, schooled me in Islam, taught me how to pray, fast et cetera *and* instilled a moral upbringing in me, was not a Muslim?

Well go figure....

Abdullah al-Muhajir

13-09-04, 09:54 AM

Indeed she is, but as the Quraan clearly states that hijaab is compulsory for female Muslims, it is a duty for every true Muslim woman to wear the hijaab. It is an act of the greatest beauty, modesty and elegance - indeed an act of faith.

I agree with EygptianMuslimah - only Allah, the Most Kind, is the Judge and His Mercy radiates itself unto each and every sphere.

Muslimah56

13-09-04, 10:47 AM

Adhereing to the female Muslim dress code is really essential for the betterment of any Muslim community, protection of Muslimahs, and more, I dont want to sound repetitve. But it is really important I think the reason behind the original post is that currently there is a group that is claiming that women dress code as we know it including covering of the head or modesty of Jilbab is not obligatory or even mentioned in Quran. La hawla wala qowata ila billah
We need to underline the fact that if it is

slmz :)

19-09-04, 12:47 PM

a sister that does not wear a hijab is NOT a sister to begin with
even though a muslim sister is meant to wear a hijab in islam.....she may just b wearing it 2 please her parents and she may not b religious at all....but just because she wears a hijab it means automatically that she is a gr8 muslim.

a sister that doesnt wear a hijab may not be ready yet(even though she should wear hijab) but it may be a big step 4 her....she may be a very religious person at heart...prays 5 times a day...fasts...etc....but just because she doesnt wear a hijab it automatically means she is not to be known as a muslimah!.....

DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER!

w/s
ur sis in islam

AbuMubarak

19-09-04, 01:07 PM

muslims have to enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong

Allah does not hold us accountable for what people have in their hearts, but we are to use the faculties of thought, sight, hearing to conduct our affairs

a sister who doesnt wear hijab is fasiq

end of story

let us not abandon yet ANOTHER aspect of our islam by ceasing to enjoin what is right and forbid what is wrong, by either with our hands, tongues, or within our hearts

we cannot turn a blind eye to wrongdoings, or else we will continue to fall into the holes of those before us

slmz :)

19-09-04, 01:15 PM

Mary Carol

19-09-04, 01:16 PM

as salam alykom
a sister who is not abiding by the Islamic dress code for women is committing a sin, may Allah forgive her, but u can not say she is not a sister, because Allah Forgives any sin except that one takes associates with him.

Jazakallah for clearing that up.

I think we must be a bit careful of what we say lest we ourselves fall into sins making judgement on behalf of Allah...

A slippery slope indeed.

... plus who does not commit sins or fall short we all wish that Allah Forgives us too I am not right?

I am an imperfect slave of Allah (swt) and have yet to meet any Muslim who is not.

May Allah (swt) forgive us all.

Muslimah56

19-09-04, 03:40 PM

even though a muslim sister is meant to wear a hijab in islam.....she may just b wearing it 2 please her parents and she may not b religious at all....but just because she wears a hijab it means automatically that she is a gr8 muslim.

a sister that doesnt wear a hijab may not be ready yet(even though she should wear hijab) but it may be a big step 4 her....she may be a very religious person at heart...prays 5 times a day...fasts...etc....but just because she doesnt wear a hijab it automatically means she is not to be known as a muslimah!.....

DONT JUDGE A BOOK BY ITS COVER!

w/s
ur sis in islam

as salam alykom
even if she is wearing it to obey her parents or husband is fine because obeying them is part of a religious duty, parents must command their daughters for it. But sister we can not fall into this dangerous area of the heart and intention. I can not go saying I dont pray but my heart is pure. We say one who is not doing any of the religious duty is sinful may Allah forgive, and we can not compare the way u do.

Ahlam

19-09-04, 03:56 PM

But Islam is about iman...why do it if you only fear and respect husbands and family...Was it not Allah (swt) who created her? so why should humans get respect and fear?

It's up to the sister whether she wears hijab but for one to say it's in obidients of family makes me angry than those who don't wear it.

Muslimah56

20-09-04, 08:02 AM

as salam alykom
even if she is wearing it to obey her parents or husband is fine because obeying them is part of a religious duty, parents must command their daughters for it. .as salam alykom I had to quote myself Ahlam. Just re read the post. Arent we commanded by Quran to obey our parents and husbands.

Jazakallah for clearing that up.
wa iyaki Mariam wa iyaki

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 12:54 PM

THE QUESTION OF HIJAB: SUPPRESSION OR LIBERATION
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"Why do Muslim women have to cover their heads?" This question is one which is asked by Muslim and non-Muslim alike. For many women it is the truest test of being a Muslim.

The answer to the question is very simple - Muslim women observe HIJAB (covering the head and the body) because Allah has told them to do so.

"O Prophet, tell your wives and daughters and the believing women to draw their outer garments around them (when they go out or are among men). That is better in order that they may be known (to be Muslims) and not annoyed..." (Qur'an 33:59).

Other secondary reasons include the requirement for modesty in both men and women. Both will then be evaluated for intelligence and skills instead of looks and sexuality. An Iranian school girl is quoted as saying, "We want to stop men from treating us like sex objects, as they have always done. We want them to ignore our appearance and to be attentive to our personalities and mind. We want them to take us seriously and treat us as equals and not just chase us around for our bodies and physical looks."

A Muslim woman who covers her head is making a statement about her identity. Anyone who sees her will know that she is a Muslim and has a good moral character. Many Muslim women who cover are filled with dignity and self esteem; they are pleased to be identified as a Muslim woman. As a chaste, modest, pure woman, she does not want her sexuality to enter into interactions with men in the smallest degree. A woman who covers herself is concealing her sexuality but allowing her femininity to be brought out.

The question of hijab for Muslim women has been a controversy for centuries and will probably continue for many more.

Some learned people do not consider the subject open to discussion and consider that covering the face is required, while a majority are of the opinion that it is not required. A middle line position is taken by some who claim that the instructions are vague and open to individual discretion depending on the situation.

The wives of the Prophet (S) were required to cover their faces so that men would not think of them in sexual terms since they were the "Mothers of the Believers," but this requirement was not extended to other women.

The word "hijab" comes from the Arabic word "hajaba" meaning to hide from view or conceal. In the present time, the context of hijab is the modest covering of a Muslim woman. The question now is what is the extent of the covering?

The Qur'an says: "Say to the believing man that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; that will make for greater purity for them; and Allah is well acquainted with all that they do.

"And say to the believing women that they should lower their gaze and guard their modesty; and that they should not display their beauty and ornaments except what must ordinarily appear thereof; that they should draw their veils over their bosoms and not display their beauty except to their husbands..." (Qur'an 24:30-31)

These verses from the Qur'an contain two main injunctions: (1) A woman should not show her beauty or adornments except what appears by uncontrolled factors such as the wind blowing her clothes, and (2) the head covers should bedrawn so as to cover the hair, the neck and the bosom.

Islam has no fixed standard as to the style of dress or type of clothing that Muslims must wear. However, some requirements must be met. The first of these requirements is the parts of the body which must be covered.

Islam has two sources for guidance and rulings: first, the Qur'an, the revealed word of Allah and secondly, the Hadith or the traditions of the Prophet Muhammad (S) who was chosen by Allah to be the role model for mankind. The following is a Tradition of the Prophet:

"Ayesha (R) reported that Asmaa the daughter of Abu Bakr (R) came to the Messenger of Allah (S) while wearing thin clothing. He approached her and said: 'O Asmaa! When a girl reaches the menstrual age, it is not proper that anything should remain exposed except this and this. He pointed to the face and hands." (Abu Dawood)

The second requirement is looseness. The clothing must be loose enough so as not to describe the shape of the woman's body. One desirable way to hide the shape of the body is to wear a cloak over other clothes. However, if the clothing is loose enough, an outer garment is not necessary.

Thickness is the third requirement. The clothing must be thick enough so as not to show the colour of the skin it covers or the shape of the body. The Prophet Muhammad (S) stated that in later generations of his ummah there would be "women who would be dressed but naked and on top of their heads (what looks like) camel humps. Curse them for they are truly cursed." (Muslim)

Another requirement is an over-all dignified appearance. The clothing should not attract men's attention to the woman. It should not be shiny and flashy so that everyone notices the dress and the woman.

In addition there are other requirements:
(1) Women must not dress so as to appear as men. "Ibn Abbas Narrated: 'The Prophet (S) cursed the men who appear like women and the women who appear like men.'" (Bukhari)
(2) Women should not dress in a way similar to the unbelievers.
(3) The clothing should be modest, not excessively fancy and also not excessively ragged to gain others admiration or sympathy.

Often forgotten is the fact that modern Western dress is a new invention. Looking at the clothing of women as recently as seventy years ago, we see clothing similar to hijab. These active and hard-working women of the West were not inhibited by their clothing which consisted of long, full dresses and various types of head covering. Muslim women who wear hijab do not find it impractical or interfering with their activities in all levels and walks of life.

Hijab is not merely a covering dress but more importantly, it is behaviour, manners, speech and appearance in public. Dress is only one facet of the total being.

The basic requirement of the Muslim woman's dress apply to the Muslim man's clothing with the difference being mainly in degree. Modesty requires that the area between the navel and the knee be covered in front of all people except the wife.

The clothing of men should not be like the dress of women, nor should it be tight or provocative. A Muslim should dress to show his identity as a Muslim. Men are not allowed to wear gold or silk. However, both are allowed for women.

For both men and women, clothing requirements are not meant to be a restriction but rather a way in which society will function in a proper, Islamic manner.
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Mary C. Ali

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 12:56 PM

Can we curse sisters that appear naked even though they are clothed?

If so, what is the extent of the cursin'?

:torture:

ze leetle elper

21-09-04, 01:16 PM

Ebony

21-09-04, 01:55 PM

can't help it probably :rolleyes:

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 02:13 PM

:confused:

Why not instead pray for their guidance and for Allah (swt) to open their hearts to the truth?

Why so hard-hearted?

Would you curse a brother without a beard? Do you know how strange your question sounds?

Faith is like a seed that grows inside. It initially affects the soul, and grows and expands to our appearances and actions.

How do you know whether the sister you see as *naked* may already have the seed of faith inside her, just because you cannot see a physical change, it does not mean a mental change is not taking place.

And why are you looking at her in the first place eh? :nono: :mad:

Why gettin' so personal lol (and Ebony). I didn't personalise this with anybody in particular. If all the guys were blind, sisters still would have no excuse to dress naked with clothes on... but thats irrelvant to what I asked.

Now back to why I asked.

The Prophet Muhammad (S) stated that in later generations of his ummah there would be "women who would be dressed but naked and on top of their heads (what looks like) camel humps. Curse them for they are truly
cursed." (Muslim).

Back to my original question (without gettin' defensive): What is the extent of this cursin'? :)

ze leetle elper

21-09-04, 02:49 PM

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 03:06 PM

Why curse when you are able to benefit someone instead? :confused:

Or are we as Muslim so arrogant that we feel superior to anyone but ourselves? Where is your humbleness and mercy? If He can show you Mercy, then what of your mercy to your fellow beings?

I'm sorry, but I don't see how cursing someone you see dressed wrong in the street is valid.

Allah knows the true damage nudity / open sexuality / free-misixin' can have on society, and you don't. More women will fill hell-fire than men accordin' to the Prophet saw. Or does God show more Mercy to guys than to females?

The question is not the wrongs or rights of cursin', but what is the extent of cursin'.

Cursin' is like swearin'... the angels curse ppl too. Also does not this hadith indicate that sisters should also curse sisters for dressin' as though they're naked or for wearin' a camel hump on their head when they see some one as such?

F@zZ

21-09-04, 03:25 PM

wat can one benefit from cursing or being cursed upon. If one prays for the ill-covered Allah may giv them the hidayah to dress properly.

ze leetle elper

21-09-04, 03:30 PM

Well I'm not an expert on that hadith, so I would not be able to comment on the context it was said in nor the situation it was narrated in.

You stated that if you saw someone dressed inappropiately in the street, what should be the extent of your curse.

First you must assess, WHY you are cursing- are you benefitting? Is the victim benefitting? Are you able to do something to change the situation? Can anything be done to help this person?

Don't compare yourself to the angels- the angels do anything and everything by the command of Allah alone- we as humans have been given an element of free will, or choices/ paths we can take when confronted with an obstacle.

Do not compare yourself to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) or the Companions (ra) because we as Muslims nowadays do not even compare to the dust on the shoes of the Companions in relation to our faith and Islam.

You know the hadith 'Leave that which does not concern you...' I would find this more suitable in regards to taking action on the hadith you mentioned.

And Allah knows best.

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 04:05 PM

You stated that if you saw someone dressed inappropiately in the street, what should be the extent of your curse.

Thinks :scratch: Did I say anythin' 'bout anyone dressin' inappropriately in the streets? Maybe Ze's makin' it up? Must be the latter.

First you must assess, WHY you are cursing- are you benefitting? Is the victim benefitting? Are you able to do something to change the situation? Can anything be done to help this person?

I wasn't cursin'... but maybe the cursed will realise and turn to Allah? God will help those that seek His help?

Don't compare yourself to the angels- the angels do anything and everything by the command of Allah alone- we as humans have been given an element of free will, or choices/ paths we can take when confronted with an obstacle.

Wasn't comparin' myself to angels, just stressin' the fact that even angels, curse - need to get uptight 'bout cursin' / bein' cursed.

You know the hadith 'Leave that which does not concern you...' I would find this more suitable in regards to taking action on the hadith you mentioned.

It might do...

[QUOTE=ze leetle elper]Well I'm not an expert on that hadith, so I would not be able to comment on the context it was said in nor the situation it was narrated in.QUOTE]

So, you don't know the answer to the question. Could've told me before or not bothered replyin' :banghead:

We'll leave it at that.

Anybody else know the extent of the curse? What does the cursin' entail? OK, there are other hadith that mention that cursin' for bad behaviour. What does this entail? Is it bad?

seven

21-09-04, 05:14 PM

Anybody else know the extent of the curse? What does the cursin' entail? OK, there are other hadith that mention that cursin' for bad behaviour. What does this entail? Is it bad? i'd advise you to talk to a scholar... it's quite possible you may have mis-understood the hadith since you may have just read the english translation of the hadith?

Chained_Water

21-09-04, 08:02 PM

maybe the "curse them" was not a command from the Prophet, but his own statement of cursing them.

that would make more sense I guess, than commanding us to curse every uncovered woman we see ever.. as ze quite rightly pointed out, you (and all believing men) should have your gaze lowered anyway.. and thats from the Quran, clear and simple.. not from a hadith you don't properly understand.

:)

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 08:30 PM

maybe the "curse them" was not a command from the Prophet, but his own statement of cursing them.
:scratch:

that would make more sense I guess, than commanding us to curse every uncovered woman we see ever.. as ze quite rightly pointed out, you (and all believing men) should have your gaze lowered anyway.. and thats from the Quran, clear and simple.. not from a hadith you don't properly understand.

:)
I would like to understand it :)

Chained_Water

21-09-04, 08:33 PM

ur scratching ur head.. I meant.. maybe the Prophet(saw) was cursing them himself when he said "curse them!" ..instead of commanding us to curse them..

Mr_Jailer

21-09-04, 08:41 PM

that would make more sense I guess, than commanding us to curse every uncovered woman we see ever.. as ze quite rightly pointed out, you (and all believing men) should have your gaze lowered anyway.. and thats from the Quran, clear and simple.. not from a hadith you don't properly understand.

:)
You've bought up an interestin' point. Believin' women shouldn't be uncovered. And some guys may not know the injunction to lower their gaze. Both are listed in the Qur'an.

ze leetle elper

21-09-04, 09:13 PM

Believing women should not be uncovered, and believing men should not raise their gaze towards them.

Having said that- believing women may not know the injuction to cover and believing men may not know the injunction to lower their gaze.

ze leetle elper

22-09-04, 09:21 AM

So, you don't know the answer to the question. Could've told me before or not bothered replyin' :banghead:
The italicised words were indicated for a reason.

Mr_Jailer

22-09-04, 10:29 AM

Having said that- believing women may not know the injuction to cover and believing men may not know the injunction to lower their gaze.

How ironic. Some believers they are, lol.

Phew - Good thin' I never mentioned a context or situation :)

ze leetle elper

22-09-04, 10:45 AM

How ironic. Some believers they are, lol.But don't you see? This is precisely the reason why people turn away, or are ignorant of their faith.

If no one is botherd to educate them, then how do you expect them to change?

Daw'ah is not only for non-muslims, it is also a reminder for all muslims to improve and change themselves for the better.

There are millions of circumstances one could be in where they are not aware of the tenents of their faith- they may consider themselves Muslim, and have the belief of the declaration of faith instilled in their hearts, but may not have been educated in the deen/ educated incorrectly etc.

Instead of turning your back on your brother/ sister- why not extend your hand and help them?

Think about how the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) gave daw'ah, even to those who were extreme in their polythiesm.

In my experience, your Islamic actions and words towards another, has a more profound effect than reading from a book/ on the internet.

Mr_Jailer

22-09-04, 11:50 AM

In my experience, your Islamic actions and words towards another, has a more profound effect than reading from a book/ on the internet.

Did you curse them? I was thinkin' that if you curse them too, it will have a profound impact and they'd wanna know why you are cursin' them / what they are doin' wrong.

Instead of turning your back on your brother/ sister- why not extend your hand and help them?

Does this meam we should make it known to them, that what they are doin' is wrong? Who will listen to this, if its not in their hearts to learn their deen.

Many ppl don't like to be preached, mainly sisters... cos they're modernists. So, why bother remindin' these type of ppl. This is a different topic.

Who can actually curse other ppl? Can the non-mahram curse the non-mahram? Or can the mahram only curse a mahram?

Its also worng to remain silent when s/o does wrong-doin', if we can't correct s/t with our hands, we have to use our tongue? If they don't listen, then curse them?

seven

22-09-04, 02:18 PM

islaam teaches us to "call towards good, and forbid the evil"

note: the "call towards good" part always comes before the "forbid the evil" part

sana

22-09-04, 04:00 PM

ok m so shocked at it how can anyboday take a religion as easy and as soft as islam to the extent of cursin someone ..sis zee i totaly agree with u n bro forget abt everytin jus the very question >>>whta can u get outta cursin someone?? isnt it better to pray??

Mr_Jailer

22-09-04, 04:20 PM

islaam teaches us to "call towards good, and forbid the evil"

note: the "call towards good" part always comes before the "forbid the evil" part

At last, someone that talks sense :rotfl:

What do you do after you've exhausted all the 'call to good' bit, yet still there is fitnah. Can you then curse?

ze leetle elper

23-09-04, 09:17 AM

What do you do after you've exhausted all the 'call to good' bit, yet still there is fitnah. Can you then curse?
I doubt you can exhaust all the 'call to good bit'; unless you have already decided to give up before you started. Why limit yourself on how much 'calling to good' you can do? Is there a time limit? Many of the beloved companions took years to enter Islam, and it was only through the beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)'s constant daw'ah work.

Apologies if you thought the advice was useless- personally I don't understand why you would want to curse, even if it were permissible and valid. :confused:

Mr_Jailer

23-09-04, 09:39 AM

Many of the beloved companions took years to enter Islam, and it was only through the beloved Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him)'s constant daw'ah work.

... and battles, and signs...

Apologies if you thought the advice was useless- personally I don't understand why you would want to curse, even if it were permissible and valid. :confused:

This is the sunnah. At the time of the prophet saw, the sisters acted as Believers - an example for the rest of us to follow. The type of muslimahs we see today, is not what he saw saw. It is now as a sign of the Hour that women from Muhammad's (saw) Ummah are dressin' naked with clothes on. And its not just 1 or 2, its the masses... dare I say hijabis too.

Remember we have to carry out justice even if the wrong-doer is next to kin. Otherwise, what you're sayin' is 'why would you wish to stone a brother for fornication?' Are you that hard-hearted and cold?'

ze leetle elper

23-09-04, 11:32 AM

You can only punish fairly someone who is aware of the boundary and has accepted the limit, yet still chooses to cross them.

Otherwise the punishment is in vain, because neither has the person benefitted/ understood, nor have you benefitted.

I doubt you can bring a single person forward who entered Islam after incurring a curse or unhealthy attitude from a Muslim- would such an attitude increase your desire to learn more about Islam or drive you away? :confused:

Mr_Jailer

23-09-04, 11:52 AM

You can only punish fairly someone who is aware of the boundary and has accepted the limit, yet still chooses to cross them.

Says whom? What you're sayin' here is the wrong-doer can apply for clemency under the guise they were not aware that what they did was wrong? What if there were 4 witnesses? Punishment then becomes due regardless.

Besides, criminals will lie and deny any wrong-doin' for fear of punishment.

Otherwise the punishment is in vain, because neither has the person benefitted/ understood, nor have you benefitted.

Nope, you get rewarded for bein' just. And the punished maybe expiated for their sins. Both will benefit inshallah :)

[/QUOTE]I doubt you can bring a single person forward who entered Islam after incurring a curse or unhealthy attitude from a Muslim- would such an attitude increase your desire to learn more about Islam or drive you away? :confused:[/QUOTE]

Maybe not, but the ppl from the Ummah that are dressed but naked are already 'muslims' :)

ze leetle elper

23-09-04, 12:21 PM

Seems like we will agree to disagree.

Personally, it is best to explore every path and possibility, to create an understanding and a desire to learn, rather than jump straight in at the deep end and punish/ judge someone.

Its easier to impose a punishment/ fault than aid someone to understand, because the latter takes time and patience. It seems like many of us do not have any of this for others nowadays. How selfish we have become.

Mary Carol

23-09-04, 01:08 PM

I doubt you can bring a single person forward who entered Islam after incurring a curse or unhealthy attitude from a Muslim- would such an attitude increase your desire to learn more about Islam or drive you away? :confused:

In my experience before reverting, it was both the cursing, and unhealthy attitudes from a few Muslims as well as the kind, welcoming dispositions from most Muslims that drew me in to learn more.

But then I always like a challenge. :)

fury

23-09-04, 01:10 PM

when i reverse i always check my mirror

Mr_Jailer

23-09-04, 02:58 PM

In my experience before reverting, it was both the cursing, and unhealthy attitudes from a few Muslims... ...that drew me in to learn more.

:)

Muslimah56

25-09-04, 08:40 PM

as salam alykom Seven
the hadeeth jailer brought is correct but he only brought part of it, Sobhan Allah I had in in hand today in Arabic. Actually it indicates a sign of the closeness of the Day After.
It goes like this:" under the authority of Abdullah Ibn Omar who said I heard RasullAllah salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam say: By the end of time, there will be men among my Ummah who ride over saddles but only look like men (trying to say they are not acting like real men), they get off by the gates of masjeds, their women are dressed but nakes, on their heads (referring to the hair style) like camel humbs, curse them for they are cursed. If there will be an Ummah that succeeds you, your women would have served their women just as women of the preceeding Ummahs served you" Now this is the full hadeeth. One of the many miracles of hadeeth that the Messenger actually described a hair style that prevailed first during the 60s when women used to have this large bun above their heads. It indicates that the hour is close.
That is all I can gather. The cursing part is contained therein as well. How far or how to do it, who does it. We do need a scholar on this just as Seven said.
wallahu a`alam.

Muslimah56

26-09-04, 08:13 AM

as salam alykom
Insh a Allah I will try to explain the curse part.
Now if u look at the type of woman who according to hadeeth must be cursed, u will find that the description is as follows:
1. Men who are semi men, riding over saddles and get off by the gate of masjed. It is an indication that they dont get in to pray.

2. Women who are related to this type of men in any way will be:
a. Dressed up but naked.
b. Using a hair style that takes the hair up in a high bun similar to camel hump.

Therefore, the description is precise making it a certain category of people.
If any of the above conditions is absent, then the woman does not deserve the curse.
But all conditions must be present including the type of men they are related to in order to be the eligible category for cursing.

wallah A`lam. whatever is correct is from Allah and whatever is wrong is from me and Shaytan.

Muslimah56

26-09-04, 08:28 AM

Under the previous conditions, it will be very hard to apply the curse. Because she might be dressed as such but not accompanied with one of her men. She might be accompanied by one, but we can not see whether or not he prays at masjeds or if he stops by the gate and never goes in.

Sobhan Allah, if u analyze the harsh punishments (and cursing is a seriously harsh one that the Messenger refused to listen to in a place even for an animal) u usually find them coupled with very strict and alomst impossible conditions to apply. Just like the conditions for the crime of zina to be proved.

Our problem is we look at the curse and wanting it easy. So if u see a sister dressed up but naked with a short hair, make dua for her.
wa Allahu a`alam

Mr_Jailer

27-09-04, 05:01 PM

So if u see a sister dressed up but naked with a short hair, make dua for her.
wa Allahu a`alam

Inshallah, ameen.

Can you post the arabic version of the full hadith, so others fluent in arabic can give a rough description as to what is bein' said?

If those 2 conditions are not met, I agree, it will be a transgression to curse. So, who are these types of women, and what is the implication for men and women in relation to the hadith?

Muslimah56

27-09-04, 08:43 PM

as salam alykom
Insh aAllah I will post the arabic version, I just dont have it now.
But as far as I understood your question, it starts describing a certain type of men who will be among the ummah. Of course the getting off the saddle can be applied on any means of transportation. The Messenger salla Allah a`alyhee wa sallam explained that they get off by the doors of masjeds, implying that they dont get in. Then he starts explaining about the appearence of women related to such men, related in any way, mother, sister, wife, daughter. He specified a type of dressing plus the hair style. If u remember this hair style was in fashion during the 60s.
I guess that is all I can say.
Insh a Allah I will post the arabic later.

Muslimah56

28-09-04, 08:59 AM

as salam alykom
here is the full hadeeth in arabic
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‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن يزيد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عياش بن عباس القتباني ‏ ‏قال سمعت ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏يقول سمعت ‏ ‏عيسى بن هلال الصدفي ‏ ‏وأبا عبد الرحمن الحبلي ‏ ‏يقولان سمعنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عمرو ‏ ‏يقول ‏
‏سمعت رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول ‏ ‏سيكون في آخر أمتي رجال يركبون على ‏ ‏السروج ‏ ‏كأشباه الرجال ينزلون على أبواب المسجد نساؤهم كاسيات عاريات على رءوسهم ‏ ‏كأسنمة ‏ ‏البخت ‏ ‏العجاف ‏ ‏العنوهن فإنهن ملعونات لو كانت وراءكم أمة من الأمم لخدمن نساؤكم نساءهم كما يخدمنكم نساء الأمم قبلكم

Mr_Jailer

28-09-04, 01:30 PM

ze leetle elper

30-09-04, 12:50 PM

Many women today say "the hijab is not fard" does this take them out of the fold of Islam? I am pretty sure it doesn’t, but I am just wondering. Does it put them as Ahlul Bid''ah?

In the Name of Allah, Most Merciful & Compassionate

"Declaring a Muslim to be a disbeliever is a dangerous matter indeed.

One becomes a disbeliever by denying anything 'necessarily known to be of the religion,' which is defined as being anything that every is expected to know and regarding which there is no doubt.

When someone denies established beliefs or central practices, they are on dangerous grounds. Our duty as Muslims is to follow the example of the Beloved Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him), which is encapsulated in his words, "Give glad tidings, and do not turn people away. Make things easy, and do not make them difficult."

Thus, when someone falls into denial of established beliefs or central practices, one should [b]consider what would be the best and most effective way to draw them towards the truth, whether immediately or gradually. This is the way of wisdom.

How does one do this? We should remember that wisdom is only gained from the wise: we should keep the company of scholars, and learn from their example and conduct; seek their guidance and counsel; and act as they would act--for the scholars of Sunni Islam are the inheritors of the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings be upon him).

Calling to Allah, through enjoining the good and forbidding the bad and through being of sincere counsel (nasiha) are central to the duties of a believer. Thus, we must learn how to deal with those on the margins, of our friends, family, and acquaintances, and encourage them towards the straight path of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him).

This is our duty. We should be wary of every declaring anyone ostensibly a Muslim a kafir. When one fears genuine harm or fitna through such an individual's conduct, then one should seek the counsel of a reliable scholar.

And Allah knows best.”

Ayah

01-10-04, 02:37 AM

Thank you Muslimah.

Can we have translations please... from the likes of Al Nasser, arab.muslimah, Ayah... whoever knows arabic.
Sorry, the arabic font isn't big enough for me to read! I can only make out a few words here and there.. :confused:

Mr_Jailer

01-10-04, 09:50 AM

Try this...

حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن يزيد ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عياش بن عباس القتباني ‏ ‏قال سمعت ‏ ‏أبي ‏ ‏يقول سمعت ‏ ‏عيسى بن هلال الصدفي ‏ ‏وأبا عبد الرحمن الحبلي ‏ ‏يقولان سمعنا ‏ ‏عبد الله بن عمرو ‏ ‏يقول ‏
‏سمعت رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏يقول ‏ ‏سيكون في آخر أمتي رجال يركبون على ‏ ‏السروج ‏ ‏كأشباه الرجال ينزلون على أبواب المسجد نساؤهم كاسيات عاريات على رءوسهم ‏ ‏كأسنمة ‏ ‏البخت ‏ ‏العجاف ‏ ‏العنوهن فإنهن ملعونات لو كانت وراءكم أمة من الأمم لخدمن نساؤكم نساءهم كما يخدمنكم نساء الأمم قبلكم

Mr_Jailer

01-10-04, 09:55 AM

Whoa...

I can read this myself !

AbuMubarak

27-03-06, 04:25 AM

I am posting this here for the bump and to show how the muslims are rejecting the ways of the kuffar crusaders and their "liberators"

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