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[shamsery]

A gentleman , Anglo Indian Christian, hate our religion Islam. Informed me , here is the verbatim quote. Of course Islam permits you to keep a female hostage as a slave and have free sex with her.

You do not know your own religion.

In reply to his post, I wrote as follows:

It is a malicious fabricated ambiguous scandalous comment about the religion Islam.It is his moral obligation of the to prove his statement as per our law and culture (Bangladesh).


In support his statement he sent me an article titled ,"Recently I saw a question on the status of women taken as prisoners during Jihad." Fatwa Issued by Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

Link :

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=10896


Honestly it has made me confused ( I am not using the words that it has shake my Iman), Can any one help me to understand the issue, please.
I shall remain ever grateful to you.
I don't trust it.

[Huja Usman]

Originally posted by shamsery
A gentleman , Anglo Indian Christian, hate our religion Islam. Informed me , here is the verbatim quote. Of course Islam permits you to keep a female hostage as a slave and have free sex with her.

You do not know your own religion.

In reply to his post, I wrote as follows:

It is a malicious fabricated ambiguous scandalous comment about the religion Islam.It is his moral obligation of the to prove his statement as per our law and culture (Bangladesh).


In support his statement he sent me an article titled ,"Recently I saw a question on the status of women taken as prisoners during Jihad." Fatwa Issued by Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

Link :

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=10896


Honestly it has made me confused ( I am not using the words that it has shake my Iman), Can any one help me to understand the issue, please.
I shall remain ever grateful to you.
I don't trust it.


The one to blame is yourself. Why did you you comment a thing you dont have any ilm(knowlidge about).

I dontr understand what is the problem? The female/male soldier that kills muslims and is taken by muslims in Jihad can be taken as slaves/servants/workers/POW or be executed.

Did you know that if you become POW/slave/servant/worker amongst the kuffar you will also become some sort of a slave? They will send you labour camps and have to work for them.


Ofcourse also the term slave is not the same in Islam as it is used in the western world. In Islam you cant starve a POW of water and food, you must treat him GOOD

Here is in an intresting article about islam and Prisons of WAR How is a Prisoner of War treated in islam (http://www.islamonline.net/english/introducingislam/politics/System/article05.shtml)

Wasalamualaykum

[shamsery]

Originally posted by Huja Mehmet
The one to blame is yourself. Why did you you comment a thing you dont have any ilm(knowlidge about).

I dontr understand what is the problem?

Salam,
Thank you for your kind reply.
I must agree that my knowledge is very less about religion.
But I know my religion is the best and decent one.
I applied my commonsense.
"Of course Islam permits you to keep a female hostage as a slave and have free sex with her."


Key word is here "have free sex with her."

It is difficult on my part to believe Islam allow such thing.
With out “Nikah” how Islam can allow it?
I doubt , some where something wrong about interpretation.

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Certainly not ...

Any sexual activity outside marriage is adultery and thus forbidden, it cannot be justified at any cause!

This Christian friend of yours is an extremely ignorant and unknowledgeable person, I'd steer away from him if I were you ...

[Khuzamah]

erm actually..... we have had this topic before and from most of the sources we looked it, it did appear that it was allowed.
There is a post in the muslim forum for those of you with access to the area, and I would recommend reading it because you can't just say "oh no its not allowed" without even looking at the evidence, just because you don't like the idea of it.
InshaAllah I'll try and find some of the information again...

edit : I can't find the other post... here is a fatwa though click here (http://63.175.194.25/index.php?ln=eng&ds=qa&lv=browse&QR=10382&dgn=2)
I'm not saying I know a lot about the issue, I just think people should be sure of themselves before they claim something is haram :)

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

I have references however.

Sexual activity outside of marriage is adultery.

Let us see the word of Allah (SWT) in regards to adultery.

"And come not near unto Adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and evil way" Qu'ran 17:32

"O Prophet! If believing women come unto thee, taking oath of allegiance unto thee that they will ascribe no thing as partner unto Allah, and will neither steal nor commit adultery nor kill their children, nor produce any lie that they have devised between their hands and feet, nor disobey thee in what is right, then accept their allegiance and ask Allah to forgive them. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful." Qu'ran 60:12

"And those who cry not unto any other god along with Allah, nor take the life which Allah hath forbidden save in (course of) justice, nor commit adultery - and whoso doeth this shall pay the penalty" Qu'ran 25:68

"The adulterer and the adulteress, scourge ye each one of them (with) a hundred stripes. And let not pity for the twain withhold you from obedience to Allah, if ye believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of believers witness their punishment." Qu'ran 24:02

"The adulterer shall not marry save an adulteress or an idolatress, and the adulteress none shall marry save an adulterer or an idolater. All that is forbidden unto believers." Qu'ran 24:03

Since adultery is clearly forbidden, we cannot partake in any forms of such.

Thus having a female hostage as a slave and have free sex with her would be a gigantic sin, one of the biggest in scale and size.

And there is nothing greater than the Almighty's Word.

[outlandish]

Originally posted by shamsery
A gentleman , Anglo Indian Christian, hate our religion Islam. Informed me , here is the verbatim quote. Of course Islam permits you to keep a female hostage as a slave and have free sex with her.

You do not know your own religion.

In reply to his post, I wrote as follows:

It is a malicious fabricated ambiguous scandalous comment about the religion Islam.It is his moral obligation of the to prove his statement as per our law and culture (Bangladesh).


In support his statement he sent me an article titled ,"Recently I saw a question on the status of women taken as prisoners during Jihad." Fatwa Issued by Mufti Ebrahim Desai.

Link :

http://www.islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=10896


Honestly it has made me confused ( I am not using the words that it has shake my Iman), Can any one help me to understand the issue, please.
I shall remain ever grateful to you.
I don't trust it.
Your christian friend I am afraid is right,and like u too I have found it very unlogical that islam would permit something as such. But the prophet had 2 concubines as well.Some argue that if in todays time this law should be applicable since there are no such things as slaves in islam and islam encourages the freeing of slaves,it couldnt be totaly abolished at that time,so in this way islam tried to stop it. But there are conditions set to keeping slaves which I read here,that u cant force her or force urself on her. If she dont want sex with u,u have to get her married or something,and her rights,kids etc are almost like marriage. Plus that since those women like this would have someone to support them,else they what would they do to earn a living or something,and stuff like that. SO in this way their protected and taken care of as well,and is a way to bring them to islam I guess.But than again how many do u think will stick to it.
See there is wisdom for everything,see it might appear weird at first. But ask that christian friend how they treat prisoners etc:rolleyes:

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

I think he meant forceful (free) sexual activity with a slave was permitted.

That is incorrect and immoral in the eye of Islam.

I have already presented my divine sources, but here it is again:

"And come not near unto Adultery. Lo! it is an abomination and evil way" Qu'ran 17:32

Since sex with an unmarried slave is adultery, it cannot be justified and is forbidden.

Besides, Islam reduced slavery and almost all Muslims freed their slaves one day or another.

Take the case of Bilal, the first Muezzin.

[.: Anna :.]

no but its not adultery... as was discussed in the other post
(if someone finds it plz post the link insha Allah)
because the fact of being slave & owner was said to be like a contract, similar to a marriage... ie noone else is allowed 2 hav sex with that person except the one owner (who is like a husband) therefore it is not supposed 2 b classed as zina, because its not an illeagal sexual act, its a legal one...
I'm not disputing ur quotes about zina, I just think they're not relevant to the question :confused:

What we really need is one of the older bros or someone knowledgable 2 explain this properly 2 us :banghead:

confusing issue :scratch:

[outlandish]

yes they say its no adultery since its very close to marriage:rolleyes:
Sis Anna the link shaml posted from askimam says the main thing ur saying now as well.It is written in it.
Forcefull i dont think is permitted.
but anyways since islam in a way tried abolishing slavery,like encouraging the freeing of them,dont see how u should than keep one in the first place. But I guess muslim men,all the rants about 4 wifes,concubines:rolleyes:

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Islam is a moderate religion, which means that it integrates with every century and time, and through which there is no compulsion.

Slavery in this world is looked heavily down upon, an abolished trend, therefore we Muslims must refrain from this.

[Khuzamah]

Originally posted by Xaxerian
Islam is a moderate religion, which means that it integrates with every century and time, and through which there is no compulsion.

Slavery in this world is looked heavily down upon, an abolished trend, therefore we Muslims must refrain from this.
I agree with you :)I just wanted to point out that it's not actually haram or zina, so we should be careful before we make things haram, which are not :)

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

:)

[jehadi]

I think brother Shamsery should have though well before entering into this discussion. By doing this kind of debate without proper knowledge he only bringing down the reputation of Islam.

Allah (swt) knows best and if Allah (swt) not making slavery haram and if Allah (swt) not making have intercourse with woman slaves haram then we should simply be accepting such rules without questioning.

Allah's (swt) thinking is not same as thinking of man.