Who was the best military leader in Muslim History?

[Salahudin]

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:salams

who do you think was the best Military general/commander in the History of Islam(beganning after prophet Muhammed(saaw).

tell us why do you think he was the best?

ps. I know there will be some great generals who are not included in this poll so please forgive me.

[Veronica]

I voted the one in Andalusia because I'm not familiar with the first one.. I suppose because of the Spanish inquisiton..

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

There's already been a Sticky on Khaled bin Al-Waleed at the General Forum, read the e-book, he was a most magnificent general :).

Sad why Tamerlane was not mentioned, he was a most magnificent ruler.

My vote goes to Salahuddin Ayubi a.k.a. Saladin, the Egyptian Knight :up:!

[Salahudin]

well it was between Babar ahd Timur, I don't know why I choose to put in Babar, guess it is because his empire lasted longer.

but still there are lots of others that are not included. like Qotoz, Sa'd bin Abi Waqqas, Musa bin Nusair, Amr bin Aas, ect...

[dangermouse]

my dad

[dhakiyya]

I don't know much about the others, but SalaHuddin was :up:

he needs to come back and free Jerusalem all over again :D

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Salah-ud-Deen Yusuf ibn Ayyub ("Righteousness of the Faith, Joseph, Son of Job"), also called al-Malik an-Nasr Salah-ud-deen Yusuf (b. 1137/38, Tikrit, Mesopotamia--d. March 4, 1193, Damascus), Muslim sultan of Egypt, Syria, Yemen, and Palestine, founder of the Ayyubid dynasty, and the most famous of Muslim heroes.

In wars against the Christian crusaders, he achieved final success with the disciplined capture of Jerusalem (Oct. 2, 1187), ending its 88-year occupation by the Franks. The great Christian counterattack of the Third Crusade was then stalemated by Saladin's military genius.

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Tariq bin Ziyad, young and courageous general of the Mujahedin, who crossed strides from Northern Africa to land on Gibraltar (named after Tariq, as the Arabic derivation of Jabar-al-Tariq, Rock of Tariq) and then to Spain where his 12,000 plus army defeated the forces of Spain and establish Muslim rule upon its frontiers.

[AhmedSyed]

Originally posted by dangermouse
my dad

I had no clue your father was Salahudin! Interesting life span.

[Mota_Saab]

Who is Babur? Funny name.

[Abdullah al-Muhajir]

Babur- Central Turkish emperor who founded the magnificent Mughal Dynasty and was influential in making the first great Muslim strides into the Indian Subcontinent.

His son Akbar defeated the Rajputs and took control of the entire Indian subcontinent. Wonderful general and emperor.

[Al-Muhajir]

i Voted for Salahudin Ayoubi, but i will also Add (Ibn Hajr Asqalani), he wrote Book (Sharh al Bukhari) known as: "Fath al-Bari "any body has his Bio?
I have been Told he was great hero, besides he was one the Bigest Scholars in Islam.

[KB1]

what about Sad ibn Abi Waqqas, the famed fighter, conqueror at Qadisiyyah

isnt it he, who lead his troops with full faith in Allah<swt> to ride into the river tigris in iraq to cross it to fight the enemys of islam. And his troops followed and they rode OVER the river as if it where land.

<paraphrsaed from last "notes" sections on Jehad by publisher Holy Quran DururSalam, saudi>

[Al-Nasser]

Khalid Ibn Al Waleed is the only military leader in Muslim History (and maybe the whole history) who never lost a single battle.

[preity]

the prophet muhammed saw.end of story

[Hasan2004]

Prophet Muhammad(peace and blessings be upon him) > Any Sahabah(Radiallahu anhum) > Then the rest.

In this case I voted for "The sword of Allah"

[Ali_Khan]

Definitly Khalid. There was an indepth book written about him by a top General in the Pakistan Armed forces who developed mordern battle field techniques by researching Khalid's tactics.

Also the new Main Battle Tanks being built by Pakistan are named after him. Saudi Arabia is currently putting them under tests and I think Turkey and Malaysia are other potential customers. It would be nice to have all muslim countries using joint military technology like this. Here are a few pics of it:

[ThE aPpReNtIcE]

yeah ditto on the Prophet (pbuh)..i believe the rest just learned from him..

[A1 thinker]

The prophet Muhammed, full stop.

[Stanley Stunodd]

Your question of "Who was the best military leader in Muslim History? (http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=36860)" is misleading since you only account for Muslims in your Poll.

By far, THEE Greatest Military Leader during Muslim History was:
Alexander the Great
http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/alexfram.htm
http://www.royalty.nu/Europe/Balkan/Alexander.html

Great Battles: Chaeronea (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/battles/chaerone.htm)- This is a detailed report about the great battle of Chaeronea.
Great Battles: Granicus (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/battles/granicus.htm)- This is another detailed battle about another one of Alexander the Great's many campaigns.
Great Battles: Issus (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/battles/issus.htm)- This another detailed report but its on the battle of Issus.
Great Battles: Gaugamela (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/battles/gaugamel.htm)- Detailed report on the battle of Gaugamela.
Great Battles: Jhelum (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/battles/jhelum.htm)- Once again, another battle but on Jhelum.
Effects of Alexander the Great - Overall (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/pages/results.htm)- The effect Alexander the Great had on the areas he conquered.
Effects of Alexander the Great - Egypt (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/pages/Ptolemy.htm)- The effect Alexander the Great had on Egypt.
Effects of Alexander the Great - Syria (http://www.hackneys.com/alex_web/pages/Syria.htm)- The effect Alexander the Great had on Syria.
http://www.isidore-of-seville.com/Alexanderama.html
http://www.isidore-of-seville.com/ImagesofAlexander/Antiquity_Sarcophagus.html
The Macedonian Empire: The Era of Warfare Under Philip II and Alexander the Great, 359-323 B.C (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0786404078/ref=nosim/theworldofroyalt)
Alexander the Great (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1841762512/ref=nosim/theworldofroyalt) by John Warry. Examines Alexander's major battles in detail.

after prophet Muhammed(saaw).

Whoops !
Alexander conquered the known world 1000 years before Islam existed.

[Ali_Khan]

My vote goes to Salahuddin Ayubi a.k.a. Saladin, the Egyptian Knight :up:!
Salahuddin was Kurdish.

[Ali_Khan]

yeah but alexander's empire collapsed as soon as he died. On the other hand the muslim lands were opened up and the people came to Islam giving to birth a huge civilisation spanning from eastern china to southern france which stood the test of time for 1400 years.

[Stanley Stunodd]

yeah but alexander's empire collapsed as soon as he died. On the other hand the muslim lands were opened up and the people came to Islam giving to birth a huge civilisation spanning from eastern china to southern france which stood the test of time for 1400 years.
Islamic Empires


Ottoman Empire (http://www.questia.com/popularSearches/ottoman_empire.jsp) - DEAD
Byzantine Empire (http://www.questia.com/popularSearches/byzantine_empire.jsp) - DEAD
Muhammad (http://www.questia.com/popularSearches/muhammad.jsp) - DEAD
Crusades (http://www.questia.com/popularSearches/crusades.jsp) - DEAD
RE: stood the test of time for 1400 years
Where is this ISLAMIC EMPIRE today ?

[waz]

In terms of sheer land mass he conquered and rivals he defeated it has to be Tamerlane. But kindess was a trait he did not possess as he put entire populations to the sword which was typical of his mongol roots.

My vote goes to Saladin. He defeated forces that out numbered him many times over. He was a good tactician be it on the field of battle to the negotiating table. His greatest trait was his chivarly and great kindness shown to his opponents that even the western world remembers him for.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Narrated `Abdullah Bin Bashar Al Khath`amy according to his father that he heard the prophet (peace and blessings upon him) saying: "You will liberate Constantinople, blessed is the One who is its Commander, and blessed is the army, that army." </STRONG>(narrated by Imam Ahmad)

In another Hadith reported in "The best of the commanders is he who will consquer contantinople, blessed is he and his army."

Therefore this goes out to Sultan Mohammed al-Fateh (the Conqueror)

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I am glad that Tamerlane (Timur Ling) is not in this list, he was a barbarian who fought for the same Jahilli reasons as his ancestors, to kill and loot not for the sake of Allah Tala to make his deen the highest. And he fought even Muslims out of sheer arrogance like Sultan Bayazid Yildrim and even imprisoned the noble Sultan who was the protector of Islam against the crusaders.

If Tamerlane is going to be included in this list you might as well include Jamal Nasser.

[Mira]

Khalid bin al Walid.

I guess it is enough a reason that the Prophet (alayhi al salaat wa al salaam) described him as the "Sword of Allah (SWT)".

[Saifullah]

Narrated `Abdullah Bin Bashar Al Khath`amy according to his father that he heard the prophet (peace and blessings upon him) saying: "You will liberate Constantinople, blessed is the One who is its Commander, and blessed is the army, that army." </STRONG>(narrated by Imam Ahmad)


In another Hadith reported in "The best of the commanders is he who will consquer contantinople, blessed is he and his army."

Therefore this goes out to Sultan Mohammed al-Fateh (the Conqueror)









This hadeeth is indicative of the time period and is not universal in meaning, their are further evidences to support this further.

The fact that Khalid bin Waleed, was given the title of "Saifullah - Sword of Allah" and the only other leader besides ghenghis khan to have never lost a single battle, he was a true general, of great piety and uprightness,

You cant compare Khalid and Salaudin,

Khalid was a General, Plain and Simple. But
Salaudin was a leader, general, stateman, sultan, emperior, he had far many resources and a different role all together to Khalid.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

This hadeeth is indicative of the time period and is not universal in meaning, their are further evidences to support this further.

The fact that Khalid bin Waleed, was given the title of "Saifullah - Sword of Allah" and the only other leader besides ghenghis khan to have never lost a single battle, he was a true general, of great piety and uprightness,

You cant compare Khalid and Salaudin,

Khalid was a General, Plain and Simple. But
Salaudin was a leader, general, stateman, sultan, emperior, he had far many resources and a different role all together to Khalid.


This hadith has great significance, during the battle of trenches, when Muslims were digging the trenches. This is when the Sahabah wrapped stones on their stomaches because they were out of supplies and they were tired but they had to carry on since the enemies were at their doorstep to annhilate them. At this the prophet (saw) himself was digging, he hit a stone and three sparks came out of it. He smiled, the Sahabi enquired why he has smiled, he repled the first spark indicated that we will conquer the persian empire, the second indicated that we will conquer constantinople and third that we will conquer rome.

After conquering Persia the Sahabi knowing the Hadith of the 'best of the commanders' longed to conquere contantinople, expeditions after expeditions because they knew this hadith. So did Al-Fateh Sultan Mohammed, for after capturing the city of constantinople he told his solders 'now to rome..'.

Khalid bin waleed (ra) was a great warrior and a strategist, but he was this in his pre-Islam days too. However during the Khilafah of Umar (ra) Khalid bin Waleed was replaced by a young one i think (Usamah bin Zayd) and the victories still came to Muslims.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Saifullah, who was given the title of Assadullah?

Was it imaam Ali or Sayeduna Hamza (ra)???

A brother really confused me the other day.

[Saifullah]

Masha'Allah! well said, and jummah mubarak 2u :)

This hadith has great significance, during the battle of trenches, when Muslims were digging the trenches. This is when the Sahabah wrapped stones on their stomaches because they were out of supplies and they were tired but they had to carry on since the enemies were at their doorstep to annhilate them. At this the prophet (saw) himself was digging, he hit a stone and three sparks came out of it. He smiled, the Sahabi enquired why he has smiled, he repled the first spark indicated that we will conquer the persian empire, the second indicated that we will conquer constantinople and third that we will conquer rome..

Yes indeed, and then, like today and as always the hypocrites tried to mock our beloved prophet muhammed saws, they started to say to the believers, look at this mad looney and what he says!, you dont even have resources to defend yourself and you dream of conquering the world. Just like today, some muslims just passively mock these sincere mujahideen who are fighting for the sake of Allah, and say things like "what will they achieve, fighting thanks, planes with pistols" and "we should just sit back"


Khalid bin waleed (ra) was a great warrior and a strategist, but he was this in his pre-Islam days too. However during the Khilafah of Umar (ra) Khalid bin Waleed was replaced by a young one i think (Usamah bin Zayd) and the victories still came to Muslims.

This was a lesson and in this was great wisdom, yes wisdom of Umar bin Al Khattab (ra), the reason why Khalid (ra) was demoted to being a foot soldier was not because of him, but rather it was the people who started to say "Khalid is leading the army, we shall win", so to teach the people, that Victory is only and only from Allah (swt).

Oh, the Usamah bin Zayd (ra) incident was slightly different, in that the prophet (saws) had passed away, and this army was readied to go to war, but then the prophet (saws) passed away, but before the prophet muhammed (saws) passed away, he appointed a commander of the army, but afterwords, some seniour sahabas had reservations, due to Usamah (ra) in experince and young age. But Abu Bakr (ra) said it was the prophets wish, so no going back and he personally on foot, took the hourse of usamah (ra) and marched out of madina with the army and greeted them farewell.

(can you imagine a king of today doing that ?)

I know what your saying, but like i have said, this hadeeth is indicative of the time, basically its saying that at the time of Sultan Muhammed, he was the best commander and his was the best army. This is the understanding of the scholars of hadeeth, Allahu Alim.

How can any commander of late,be compared to the commanders of the prophet muhammed's (saws) time and of earlier generations ?

after capturing the city of constantinople he told his solders 'now to rome..'..

Insha'Allah, may we be in that army, if not leading it, at least following it, Ameen.

[SC_Override]

Without a shadow of a doubt it has to be Khalid Bin Waleed!!!

[Saifullah]

Saifullah, who was given the title of Assadullah?

Was it imaam Ali or Sayeduna Hamza (ra)???

A brother really confused me the other day.

As far as i know, they both were coined Asadullah, maybe another brother can help clarify this, insha'Allah

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Masha'Allah! well said, and jummah mubarak 2u :)



Yes indeed, and then, like today and as always the hypocrites tried to mock our beloved prophet muhammed saws, they started to say to the believers, look at this mad looney and what he says!, you dont even have resources to defend yourself and you dream of conquering the world. Just like today, some muslims just passively mock these sincere mujahideen who are fighting for the sake of Allah, and say things like "what will they achieve, fighting thanks, planes with pistols" and "we should just sit back"




This was a lesson and in this was great wisdom, yes wisdom of Umar bin Al Khattab (ra), the reason why Khalid (ra) was demoted to being a foot soldier was not because of him, but rather it was the people who started to say "Khalid is leading the army, we shall win", so to teach the people, that Victory is only and only from Allah (swt).

Oh, the Usamah bin Zayd (ra) incident was slightly different, in that the prophet (saws) had passed away, and this army was readied to go to war, but then the prophet (saws) passed away, but before the prophet muhammed (saws) passed away, he appointed a commander of the army, but afterwords, some seniour sahabas had reservations, due to Usamah (ra) in experince and young age. But Abu Bakr (ra) said it was the prophets wish, so no going back and he personally on foot, took the hourse of usamah (ra) and marched out of madina with the army and greeted them farewell.

(can you imagine a king of today doing that ?)

I know what your saying, but like i have said, this hadeeth is indicative of the time, basically its saying that at the time of Sultan Muhammed, he was the best commander and his was the best army. This is the understanding of the scholars of hadeeth, Allahu Alim.

How can any commander of late,be compared to the commanders of the prophet muhammed's (saws) time and of earlier generations ?



Insha'Allah, may we be in that army, if not leading it, at least following it, Ameen.

I know about all this and my comment was in light of it. But the hadith is general there no indications of it being specific and indications are only considered if the hadith contains a hukm in this case it doesnt. Its informative and general and it could only apply to one person and one army...since you can only conquere a land once.... if its captured again you can liberate it.

[Arsalan]

Saifullah, who was given the title of Assadullah?

Was it imaam Ali or Sayeduna Hamza (ra)???

A brother really confused me the other day.

as far as i know, traditionally it has been Sayedena Hamza ( ra).

[Salman Al-Farsi]

as far as i know, traditionally it has been Sayedena Hamza ( ra).


That was my understanding too.

[Salahudin]

Salaams brothers and sisters.

just imagine all these men sitting together in Jannah, discussing the cold-quit dawn on earth they were waiting to attack the enemy!

[Mira]

as far as i know, traditionally it has been Sayedena Hamza ( ra).

I think for Ali ibn Abi Talib (RAA), it was "Haidar"; lion.

[rezigned]

I think Baghdad Bob did a credible job of promoting Arad military might.

[Aftab]

As far as world conquerors go, its in the following order,

1. Ghengis Khan (The Mongolian - largest land empire in history)
2. Tamurelane (The Tartar - never lost a battle, whole world at his feet before he died)
3. Alexander the Great (The Macedonian - the boy king who conquered 1/4 of Asia and thought he had taken the world! lol)

Note: The Empire of Ghenghis Khan was 4 times LARGER then that of Alexander the Great! and dont give me this rubbish about culture and buildings, we are talking CONQUEST and WAR lets talk CONQUEST and War! ;)

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Now to Islam....

As far as the greatest Muslim conquerors go, again Tamurlane (Amir Timur) tops the charts! Simply because he conquered the most territory and started with nothing except a Horse! whatever he set out to do, he did! NOBODY EVER DEFEATED TIMUR, he was ruthless, merciless, brutal and killed ANYONE and EVERYONE that stood in his way. Was he islamic? sure when it suited him... but still the greatest conqueror in history of the Islamic world. From Istanbul to Islamabad, from Dehli to Damascus, from Moscow to Medina - from Cairo to Kabul - Nobody escaped the wrath of Timur! The Wrath of God! The ultimate All-conquering Emperor, Lord of the Seven Climes, Master of the East and West, Lord of the Fotunante Conjunction are among his titles! ;)

btw Babur was the great grandson of Timurlane, and Timur was not a Turk (he hated Turks), he was of Tartar Blood. Timur put Bayazid (the Turk) in a cage for his arrogance. Babur (the great grandson of Timur) founded the great Mogul dynasty in India, but he was not the "opener of India" that titles goes to "Muhammed bin Qasim" - and he was a Arab, the nephew of the ruthless and cunning Hajaj bin Yusaf.

Also Salahuddin was not a Egyptian or a Arab, he was a Kurd. To be honest Salahudin captured my imagination when i was a child but in all honesty he is very over-rated. Yes he united the Muslim world against the Crusades, Yes he beat them back, Yes he demolished them at the battle of Hattin, yes he liberated Jerusalem, but he FAILED to wipe out the crusaders from the Holy Land. That title (of WIPING OUT THE CRUSADES FROM THE LAND OF THE PROPHETS) goes to Amir Babur (the Mamluke).

good thread btw :up:

[Al-Nasser]

2. Tamurelane (The Tartar - never lost a battle, whole world at his feet before he died)


he was Muslim shia....and he had many contradictions..for example he used to carry a mosque made of wood everywhere he go so he wont miss jama'a prayer and in the same time he buried many Muslims alive in India.

and no, Tamerlane did lose at least the battle which gave him the title of Tamer the lame "Tamerlane"

[waz]

Actually he was a sunni from the nation we call Uzbekistan.

[Mira]

he was Muslim shia....and he had many contradictions..for example he used to carry a mosque made of wood everywhere he go so he wont miss jama'a prayer and in the same time he buried many Muslims alive in India.

and no, Tamerlane did lose at least the battle which gave him the title of Tamer the lame "Tamerlane"

So what if he was Shi'a?

3'al6at el shaa6er bi2laf

[Aftab]

He was NOT a shia! That accusation stems from the fact that he killed ANYONE who got in his way, he killed Muslims, Pagans, Christians, Jews, Russians ANYONE it DIDNT MATTER WHO YOU WERE! YOU WERE EITHER WITH HIM OR AGAINST HIM! and you had to make your choice pronto because his 200,000+ Army of savage Tartars were not going to take No for a answer! The reason people say he was a Shia or a Jew-lover is because he killed LESS Jews and Shias then others because these 2 groups were wise enough to realise they couldent beat him, so they may as well join him! So they didnt rebel as much as the Sunnis or Persians.

We are talking World Conquerors here, so forget morals and ethics, this is the Age of Timur! The guy who had 100,000 hindus beheaded because 12 offended him!

Timurs formula was simple,
If you Rebel = You will be Butchered.

If you dont Rebel and be a good vassal = You will prosper.

he was BRUTAL , i never said he was going to a win the UN Noble Peace Prize, i said he was the GREATEST CONQUEROR in the history of the Islamic World! His conquests are still unmatched.

btw... he Never lost a battle, he got the name TimurLeng (Timur the Lame) because his right leg became lame, after he tried stealing some sheep as a boy and was attacked by the owner! that was before his conquering fiasco.

His Motto was simple, "JUST AS THERE IS ONE GOD IN HEAVEN, THERE SHOULD BE ONE KING ON EARTH!" ;)

[a mu-min]

As far as world conquerors go, its in the following order,

1. Ghengis Khan (The Mongolian - largest land empire in history)
2. Tamurelane (The Tartar - never lost a battle, whole world at his feet before he died)
3. Alexander the Great (The Macedonian - the boy king who conquered 1/4 of Asia and thought he had taken the world! lol)

Note: The Empire of Ghenghis Khan was 4 times LARGER then that of Alexander the Great! and dont give me this rubbish about culture and buildings, we are talking CONQUEST and WAR lets talk CONQUEST and War! ;)

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Now to Islam....

As far as the greatest Muslim conquerors go, again Tamurlane (Amir Timur) tops the charts! Simply because he conquered the most territory and started with nothing except a Horse! whatever he set out to do, he did! NOBODY EVER DEFEATED TIMUR, he was ruthless, merciless, brutal and killed ANYONE and EVERYONE that stood in his way. Was he islamic? sure when it suited him... but still the greatest conqueror in history of the Islamic world. From Istanbul to Islamabad, from Dehli to Damascus, from Moscow to Medina - from Cairo to Kabul - Nobody escaped the wrath of Timur! The Wrath of God! The ultimate All-conquering Emperor, Lord of the Seven Climes, Master of the East and West, Lord of the Fotunante Conjunction are among his titles! ;)

btw Babur was the great grandson of Timurlane, and Timur was not a Turk (he hated Turks), he was of Tartar Blood. Timur put Bayazid (the Turk) in a cage for his arrogance. Babur (the great grandson of Timur) founded the great Mogul dynasty in India, but he was not the "opener of India" that titles goes to "Muhammed bin Qasim" - and he was a Arab, the nephew of the ruthless and cunning Hajaj bin Yusaf.

Also Salahuddin was not a Egyptian or a Arab, he was a Kurd. To be honest Salahudin captured my imagination when i was a child but in all honesty he is very over-rated. Yes he united the Muslim world against the Crusades, Yes he beat them back, Yes he demolished them at the battle of Hattin, yes he liberated Jerusalem, but he FAILED to wipe out the crusaders from the Holy Land. That title (of WIPING OUT THE CRUSADES FROM THE LAND OF THE PROPHETS) goes to Amir Babur (the Mamluke).

good thread btw :up:

you missed the point "in islamic history"

[Stillcurious]

Who was the best military leader in Muslim History?

From whose point of view? The mankind's?

[Aftab]

Timur was in Islamic history.

Timur was a Muslim.

Maybe not a very good one, but we cant judge like that. He killed alot of Muslims along with Hindus, Christians and Pagans who got in his way but he's still a Musim. He was after all Amir of the Muslim world for most of his life, the sole ruler of the Islamic Lands - and reciever of all tribute from the Christian kingdoms. He was also Hafiz-e-Quran.

[Al-Nasser]

Who was the best military leader in Muslim History?

From whose point of view? The mankind's?

from mankind POV then Khalid ibn Al Waleed won't be the one.....but Salah Al Deen (Saladin) because he served the whole mankind when he taught us how can tolerance can be put in action during war..a concept which has been absent from the xtian mind for example.

also there is Abu Ubayda Al Jarrah...the great commander and the great companion and the leader of the campign in Palestine and Syria.....he was very noble warrior and he treated the Romans in a very noble way.

[Salahudin]

Aftab

when judging the a Military Leader(specially in Islam) you need 3 things:

1. the odds he faced
2. the strategies he used
3. the legecy he left

now the problem with Timur is that:

1. his odds were not that great. at his time, the ottomans were weak, the kingdoms in the middle east and south asia were in decline.

2. his strategies were a complete copy of Genghish Khan. terror, terror, terror.

3. legecy? what legecy?

now you dismissed Saladin as over-rated, compare timur and Saladin on the above 3 qualifications.

ps. conquest in term of land alone is not a good way to judge.

peace!

[Aftab]

Salahudin i understand what you are saying, but you cant dismiss one of the greatest Muslim conquerors simply because a) your not sure how spiritual he was b) he used terror.

ALL GREAT LEADERS HAVE USED TERROR! some more then others! and in the case of Timur he took it to extremes, but that does not subtract from his achievements.

1) Timur faced unthinkable odds! For a sheep-stealer to become a Emperor is no easy ride! he faced and overcome all his odds! he fought when he was outnumbered and later he wisely outnumbered and overpowered some of his foes.

2) the Ottomans were WEAK!? Thats your excuse? i dont buy that, if we talk like that then the Byzantines were WEAK when the Ottomans took constantinople. The Persians and the Romans were WEAK when Khalid bin Waleed rode in. So it matters not who was weak or strong just who was victorious!

3) The Empire of Timur melted away after he died, same can be said for most great Conquerors, but the Legacy of Timur endures! Just glance at Samarkand, Bukhara and you will see the Empire he built still shines despite the faded glory days of great Islamic powers.

Now i understand we may be a little biased here, after all the educated in Pakistan (and uzbekistan etc) consider Timur/Babur their ancestors while the Arab world looks to Salahuddin.

and i guess it depends how you measure greatness, but while Timur reigned NOBODY in the WORLD who went against him was ever victorious, even Alexander and Ghenghis lost battles - not Timur. The ultimate idol-smashing all-conquering Islamic warrior.

[Mustafa83]

i voted for Salahuddin he and Bahur The Tigar is the only ones i have heard of i dont know who the other 4 guys is.

[Tahajjud]

Brother Aftab,

Perhaps all so called "leader have used terror," but not prophet SAW.

He taught us the morals of war as well like one should not impose punishments. So many POW of the prophets time embraced Islam because of what it taught and what the people showed and carried themselves.

I do not know this Timur guy, but it seems he would not be a person the prophet would have liked.

I personally like Umar radhialla anho.

Allah knows best.

[abu_r]

The Greatest Leader Military Or Anyhow For The Muslims Was The Prophet Muhammad (saw). He Is The Best Example For Us The Only Example For Us. He Is The Best Man To Walk The Earth.
Started The Islamic Empire The Deen Which Is More Superior Than Any Other Religeons.


Plus If You Dont Count The Prophet Than It Has To Be Omar Ibn Al Khattab. Conquere Of Both The Roman And Persian Empire.

[yunir]

The best military leader is Prophet Muhammad s.a.w. He's the best leader any human can have.

But with reference to the best in terms of art of warfare,
I'd vote for Khalid Al Walid r.a.

Prophet Muhammad s.a.w is brave and couragous. But his strategical moves in terms of warfare isn't as good as other experienced generals at his time.

Isn't as good doesn't mean he's not good. It's still excellent.
What I'm saying is, He is among the top generals, but he isn't the best.

But what he lacks in strategy moves, he makes it up for his willingness and always open for ideas - a criteria for being a great military leader (often overlooked)

The first battle of Badr - the Muslims strategic move to "camp" nearby a crucial water source (well) was an idea from a sahabat.

The battle of Tabuk - idea of creating the moat was from Salman al-Farisi

Khalid al Walid r.a probably fought/led the most battles compared to other sahabats. And how many times has he lost?

[Ali_Khan]

from mankind POV then Khalid ibn Al Waleed won't be the one.....but Salah Al Deen (Saladin) because he served the whole mankind when he taught us how can tolerance can be put in action during war..a concept which has been absent from the xtian mind for example.

I dont think the Christians learnt anything. To them tolerance is when you murder only half the children. As for Khalid ibn Al Waleed, he was a sahabah and he taught the kuffar of the meaning of the word Jihad.

[son_of_man]

salam bros and sisters...

first off... about amir timur... he was a barlos turk with mongol heritage as well. for those bros who might not know, turks are not just confined to turkiye. some turkish nations include azerbaijan, tataristan(in russia) uzbekistan, turkmenistan, kyrgyzstan, kazakhstan, and uyghuristan(under chinese occupation currently)... there are also some shamanist non-muslim turkish tribes living around mongolia and siberia. baburshah, was also a barlos turk with mongol heritage, and the ottomans were seljuk/oghuz turks.

second about who was the muslim greatest general of all time... my vote has to go with khaleed bin al-walid. not because of nostalgic reasons, but because 1) he actually led all those battles. 2) he took on persia and the byzantinnes and other arab tribes and defeated them all. I sometimes wonder how he would have fared against other nations had Hazrat Umar let him stay as general.

Amir timur was more brutal than a great general. Because first off, he had more skilled warriors than most other groups would. 2nd he defeated the ottomans while ottomans were occupied with fighting europeans (and the ottomans recovered well from that defeat). Amir timur had a bad habit. He fought just for the sake of fighting... he really didnt conquer anyone, he just beat them up badly and then went away to pick on someone else. Meaning he just won a lot of single battles/raids/sacking with random enemies, and didnt take on many sustained campaigns

Maybe had he lived to fight china as he planned to, we would know for sure how good he was.

most of the other people mentioned were better overall leaders than generals... i mean they were all capable fighters, not none of the others stand out. Maybe Salahuddin.

please note that im basing this on generalship... not overall leadership...

overall leadership we all know who the votes go to....

ur takes?

PS. Genghis Khan was a good general... but he was able to win so many battles so quickly because of blitzkreig tactics and because his tactics were not well known outside of mongolia...and also because turks and mongols during those days were born warriors (they really had nothing else do do, thats how u survive in the steppes).

however once muslims figured their fighting style out, they were routed at ain-jalut. furthermore, mongols were awful at sea and in jungles of southeast asia.

[HALABI]

someone here refered to him as the egyptian knight but salah ad din was kurdish.....

[Ali_Khan]

Actually i have to change my opinion. It has be Salahudin not Khalid Bin Waleed. Khalid basicly lead an army of sahabah in Jihad. I have to say anyone who had the likes of the sahabah in their army, they were definitly going to win. Salahudin meanwhile was dealing with an army of muslims who he could not even trust on the issue of alcohol.

Do you know what the Romans said about the Muslims during the time of the Sahabah, they said "they are undefeatable because they are monks during the night and warriors during the day. Give me an army of those type of men and I could defeat any one.

[son_of_man]

i voted for Salahuddin he and Bahur The Tigar is the only ones i have heard of i dont know who the other 4 guys is.

everyone keeps saying Bahur? who is Bahur?

Its Babur, guys! Which is his nickname. His realname is Zahiruddin Muhammad .

And I have to agree with Ali Khan. Khalid bin Walid had a supply of "warrior monks" (sahabah) and probably didnt have to deal with much fitnah in his ranks... so discipline and maintaining high moral and troop readiness wasnt much of a problem.

So I probably have to switch my vote to Salahuddin as well now...

Another question that I would like to ask is that who is a better battlefield strategist, as opposed to overall general?

[This is me]

Whoops !
Alexander conquered the known world 1000 years before Islam existed.

that is the load of cow dung, he did not conquer the known world.

[This is me]

i voted for khalid bin walid (RA) because rest of all can't come close to him combined or collectively for many reasons, such as:


1. he was/is a companion and among the people of jannah.
2. he never lost a battle or war, even when he was not muslim, he won against muslims (uhud).

other are great but khalid bin walid is the greatest of all.

[Salahudin]

everyone keeps saying Bahur? who is Bahur?

Its Babur, guys! Which is his nickname. His realname is Zahiruddin Muhammad .

And I have to agree with Ali Khan. Khalid bin Walid had a supply of "warrior monks" (sahabah) and probably didnt have to deal with much fitnah in his ranks... so discipline and maintaining high moral and troop readiness wasnt much of a problem.

So I probably have to switch my vote to Salahuddin as well now...

Another question that I would like to ask is that who is a better battlefield strategist, as opposed to overall general?

salaams to all

Salahuddin(ra) was the best in over-all general and leadership. I believe most would agree with that. since Khalid(ra) had nothing to worry about in terms of his Army's unity. commitment and obedience. on the other hand, Salahudin(ra) had great deal of difficulty in his hands. He had to play great deal of chess inorder to maintain a united muslim force(sunni, shii, arab, kurd, turk, faithful, not-religous...) while at the same time strategizing against the crusades.

now when it comes tho who was the better battlefield strategist, Khalid(ra) or Salahudin(ra), I believe most would agree that Khalid(ra) was the best, probably of all time. even though Khalid had many great battles to proove his skills, and Salahudin had only one major one(Hattin), still I would have to say Khalid.

the tactics he used in, Uhud, Yamamah, The Iraq campains, and Yarmuk, were just simply Extraordinary.

[AbuSadiq]

salaams to all

Salahuddin(ra) was the best in over-all general and leadership. I believe most would agree with that. since Khalid(ra) had nothing to worry about in terms of his Army's unity. commitment and obedience. on the other hand, Salahudin(ra) had great deal of difficulty in his hands. He had to play great deal of chess inorder to maintain a united muslim force(sunni, shii, arab, kurd, turk, faithful, not-religous...) while at the same time strategizing against the crusades.

now when it comes tho who was the better battlefield strategist, Khalid(ra) or Salahudin(ra), I believe most would agree that Khalid(ra) was the best, probably of all time. even though Khalid had many great battles to proove his skills, and Salahudin had only one major one(Hattin), still I would have to say Khalid.

the tactics he used in, Uhud, Yamamah, The Iraq campains, and Yarmuk, were just simply Extraordinary.

Actually Khaalid bn Walid should be the best, since he was from the best generation the Ummah ever had in history. Equally, he participated fully in the futuuhaat especially during the period of Umar.

We should also note that opening a new clime in those days is more difficult than reclaming it, as in the case of Salaahud-Deen Al-Ayyuubee. I cherished his candour and courage though (read Asfahaanee's treatise on his conquests), but he is nowhere to be compared to Khaalid, who gained the Prophetic title of Saiful-Laah.

Then come the greatest Berber, Taariq bn Ziyaad. He equally participated in the futuuhaat from Africa to Andaluusiyyah, under the gurdianship of Musa bn Nusaif, the sucessor to Uqbatu bn Naafi'.

On a whole, I cherished all the commandants, but, as I said above, they are nowhere on the heels of Khaalid bn Waleed. Am sure even if they are alive today, they wouldn't have agreed to be included in this poll, side-by-side with the great Sahaabiy!

[AbuSadiq]

I want to know: is Suleiman the Magnificent (of the Ottoman Empire) a war commandant? I didn't read anything about him concerning this. Or was he one, before becoming the Khalifah?

I need explanation please!

[hugofuchs]

Saladin - for 3 reasons.
1) He made conquests; some of which were not destructive.
2) His people followed and obeyed him out of respect, not fear.
3) His enemies respected him (which is about the highest compliment there is).

[in_exile]

Assalamualaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuhu

Muhammed (Saw) was the greatest because he raised an army from nothing led that army and began a civilisation which has not ended with that army.

Abu Bakr (ra) was the next after him, who else would have the foresight to obey the instructions of the prophet (saw) send the army of usamah out whilst at the same time destory the apostates and baghis in his own homeland.

Khalid Bin Al waleed (ra) , saifullah needs to introduction as to his military genius and his capability

Saad ib Abi Waqaas (Ra) conqueror of persia and rome needs no introduction

Abu Ubaidallah al jarrah(ra) conqueror of sham

Muawiyyah ibn Abu Sufyan (RA) throughout his reign the muslim armies did not stop conquering and most took all of north africa cyprus launched forays into constantinople and siciliy the first muslim general to start war by sea.

Yazid Ibn Muwaiyyah leader of most of the battles against the kuffar under the khialafah of his father.

Tariq ibn Ziyah and Muhammed bin Qasim teenage conquerors of Spain and India

the reason why I would not put salahuddin amongst the top 3 to 4 is that firstly he did not do what the prophet (Saw) did in terms of raise his own army, much of his command was given to him by another great muslim general Noorudin Zenki, therefore when you talk about Salahuddins legacy you are in fact talking about the legacy of both salahuddin and Nooruddin Zenki. Moreover it was not Salahuddin that drove the crusaders out of sham but it was sultan berbers.

Also Sultan Qutuz defeater of the mongrols.

To have tamerlam in this list is to have bill clinton people can call him muslim all they want his religion and his actions showed who his lord was.

[TinyTerror]

Assalamualaikum

I love all of them! They were all great warriors of islam

Wa Alaikumassalam

[Salahudin]

I want to know: is Suleiman the Magnificent (of the Ottoman Empire) a war commandant? I didn't read anything about him concerning this. Or was he one, before becoming the Khalifah?

I need explanation please!

Salaams Abu Sadiq

yes Suleiman(ra) was a war commander, during his reign I believe he captured Belgrade and the Balkans, Rhodes in the Aegean sea, and deep into Europe, capturing most of Hungary, the cities of Buda and Pest, his forces were finaly stoped in Veinna not by an army but by the winter season. He had plans to return the next year, but conflicts started in the east with the Safavids. He almost doubled the size of the Ottoman Empire, and died of Illness while leading his army in a battle(which they won ofcourse).

To study his military skills, I think the seige to capture the Island of Rhodes is a good place to start, he was young and new to the throne.

[SharifMahdi]

KHALID KHALID
KHALID



ALEXANDER THE FAKE WAS GAY!
~i show no love
To homo thugs~

[MalikOne™]

KHALID KHALID
~i show no love
To homo thugs~

empty out tha clip,reloaded and throw more slugs

[imran999]

khalid bin waleed.
salahudeen.
OBL.:) &ibn khattab.:)

[ummbilal]

salaam alakum

i voted tariq ibn zayd as i am unfamiliar with the others, i need to brush up my islamic history.

[Survivor]

Khalid-bin-walid aka sayfullah.He always wished for sahadah on the battle field.He won all the battles.Subhanallah.
The reason they say he wasn't granted martyrdom was because he was the sword of Allah and if he were to be killed on the battle field that would mean the sword of Allah is broken.Suhanallah what a person he was.

[abdusamad]

Overall out of the men on the poll.. Khalid ibn Waleed



Generally i would say our Beloved RasoolAllah :saws:



of our time, definitly inshaAllaah the shaheed Amir ibn Khattab May Allah grant him Martyrdom ,Ameen



In the future, inshaAllaah May Allah grant me to be a commander of the muslim army holding the banner under which the ummah had formed and once again will return to its earlier state. Ameen

[-Shamil-]

Salam

I would say Khalid bin Waleed (ra)

From our times id say Shamil Basayev - he's had shrapnel wounds in both legs , had his foot blown off , many bullets in his arms and torso and something like 7 head injuries but he's still going strong. lol.:up:



ALEXANDER THE FAKE WAS GAY!
~i show no love
To homo thugs~

Lol! :D:D

[muslim warrior]

SHEIKH OBLLLLLLLLLLLL.
KHALED BIN WALEEN
SALAHUDEEN
IBN KHATTAB.....the list goes on.
ders so many dat i cud name.
dey were all great leaders.
but generally i wud put muhammad s.a.w at the top of ma list

[samven582]

can sombody tell me please who is Khalid bin al Walid.

[Address]

can sombody tell me please who is Khalid bin al Walid.

He was a companion of the Prophet (saw). He was never defeated in battle. You can read about his military conquests here:

http://www.swordofallah.com/html/bookhome.htm

[Non-Muslim_in_America]

Khalid Ibn Al Waleed is the only military leader in Muslim History (and maybe the whole history) who never lost a single battle.

Both Alexander the great and Genghis Khan also managed to go undefeated.

[Non-Muslim_in_America]

As far as world conquerors go, its in the following order,

1. Ghengis Khan (The Mongolian - largest land empire in history)
2. Tamurelane (The Tartar - never lost a battle, whole world at his feet before he died)
3. Alexander the Great (The Macedonian - the boy king who conquered 1/4 of Asia and thought he had taken the world! lol)

Note: The Empire of Ghenghis Khan was 4 times LARGER then that of Alexander the Great! and dont give me this rubbish about culture and buildings, we are talking CONQUEST and WAR lets talk CONQUEST and War! ;)



As every one should know the east was the center of culture during the life of Genghis Khan. And Ghenghis Khan made huge step in culture and civilization for the Mongols. So why not talk about his culture? He had noting to be ashamed of there.

[Non-Muslim_in_America]

KHALID KHALID
KHALID



ALEXANDER THE FAKE WAS GAY!
~i show no love
To homo thugs~

Show some respect for the greatest millitary leader of all time. Alexander the Great spread culture across vast distances, and was the first non-rasist leader in recorded history.

[Ibn Khattab]

jazakallah for all those who have prayd for me (Ibn Khattab) may Allah grant you martyrdom also:D

[Address]

jazakallah for all those who have prayd for me (Ibn Khattab) may Allah grant you martyrdom also

Now get back to killing the Ruskies :D

[Questionall]

Actually Alexander the Great was demolished when he went into the subcontinent. Ghengish Khan was by far the greatest military genius if you are just going overall aside from the Muslim empire.

[BHAI]

dont know,
difficult to say:)

would they like to be judged on a poll:) also whats the criteria,victories,
or results,
which result..defat of kuffar or expansion of islam or expansion of muslims:)

anyone met any of these or read in detail:)

[samven582]

I choose Khalid Bin Waleed :up:

[DESTINY]

From the list, i go with Khalid Bin Walid.

He was goven the honoured title SWORD OF ALLAH.

In my opinion though the best military leaders were the prophets/messengers of ALLAH.

Then The KHALIFAH RASHIDEEN.


After them i go with Khalid.

[silkworm]

I never voted cause this is a very tough choice. Prophet Mohammad pbuh is definitely my first choice, cuase not only a Military commander, he was a Great negotiator, Great statesman, Great Politician and a Great companion to his Moslem followers. I will also love to include the name of Hajjaj Bin Yousuf and Mohammd Kasim (Mohammad Bin Qasim), Abu Ghuraiza and others, who upon one call of Moslem in distress crossed the seas and lands and conquered Sindh, now in Pakistan

[khalidissa]

khalid bin al-waleed the greatest general of all times over the world

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yarmuk battle muslims 40000-42000 soldiers, byzantines 860,000 soldiers, khalid bin al-waleed managed to defeat the byzantines. the byzantines lost 150,000 while the muslims lost 4030 soldiers. this is the highest battle ratio in history.
the byzantines number of soldiers is taken from a letter that general abu obida sent to omar bin alkhattab, abu obida was the vice general of khalid at yarmuk battle so he was a live wittness and the most credible source.

[Medievalist]

From the list it is obviously Sayyidina Khalid ibn al-Waleed radhiyallahu anh. And the reasons behind this are well-known to all - perhaps the greatest indication is the fact that the Nabi :saw: deemed him the Sword of ALLAH - and this is not a title accorded to any of the people on the list. Tbh Im quite surprised that Babur is on there - he was not so great a military man nor so pious a leader - his military conquest of India was more to do with the political/family disharmony in his native homeland and the weakness of the Afghan Sultanate in India rather than his own virtues as a military man or a muslim. ALLAH Ta'ala knows best.

But in regards the question - Who was the best military leader in Muslim History?

Then undoubtedly our Nabi :saw: was the best - and after him Sayyidina Abu Bakr radhiyallahu anh. The answer I supposed depends on what you deem to be the qualities best in a military leader and the wisdom that one must have to be the best. Undoubtedly Sayyidina Khalid radhiyallahu anh was a military genius - but similarly we can say that Hadrat Abu Bakr radhiyallahu anh's leadership when dealing with the renegade tribes and the imposter prophets was also not lacking in genius. And at the end - the Nabi :saw: was the perfect human in all aspects of human life and religious life and war is a part of religious life - without a doubt the Military Leadership of the Nabi :saw: was and is the best.

[Saadet]

I would say...none.

There were likely better military commanders than those six, people who achieved more against worse odds.

The question should be, "Who was the most successful military commander?".

[khalidissa]

alexander attacked a castle while he was sieging the castle, another army was threatning alexander, alexander withdrawed from sieging the castle to fight the other army, there is no mention in the sources that alexander came back to that castle, it means in the amount of time given to alexander in sieging the castle, alexander failed in defeating the enemy and withdrawed, this withdraw is a defeat to alexander because alexander didnt come back most likeley according to the ancient sources, which lead to the assumption that alexander experienced a more clever general than him so he was clever in deciding not to come back and fight the castle. so alexander faced a more clever general than him and he lost the battle. read arrian: campaigns of alexander and curtius rufus: the history of alexander.

[khalidissa]

alexander attacked a castle while he was sieging the castle, another army was threatning alexander, alexander withdrawed from sieging the castle to fight the other army, there is no mention in the sources that alexander came back to that castle, it means in the amount of time given to alexander in sieging the castle, alexander failed in defeating the enemy and withdrawed, this withdraw is a defeat to alexander because alexander didnt come back most likeley according to the ancient sources, which lead to the assumption that alexander experienced a more clever general than him so he was clever in deciding not to come back and fight the castle. so alexander faced a more clever general than him and he lost the battle. read arrian: campaigns of alexander and curtius rufus: the history of alexander.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 60,000

ullies: 17,000: 150,000

faraz: 20,000: 200,000

ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000

yarmuk: 40,000-42,000: 860,000

yamama: 8900: 40,000

muta:3000:10,000

tuliaha: 11,000:20,000

khalid lost 6900 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[Sulaiman Harun]

Khalid Bin Waleed - The sword of Allah

[khalidissa]

wops error in yarmuk battle the muslims 31,000 not 40,000.
khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 60,000

ullies: 17,000: 150,000

faraz: 20,000: 200,000

ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000

yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

yamama: 8900: 40,000

muta:3000:10,000

tuliaha: 11,000:20,000

khalid lost 6900 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 60,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 60,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 60,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 47,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 45,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 31,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[khalidissa]

khalid bin alwaleed fought 100 battle never defeated, he defeated the two super powers at the same time the persians and the byzantines(romans).here qiuck look at the battle ratios of some of khalid battles:

battle muslims enemy

walja: 18,000: 45,000
killed: 30,000
ullies: 17,000: 150,000
killed: 70,000
faraz: 20,000: 200,000
killed: 100,000
ajnadeen: 32,000: 100,000
killed: 475: 50,000
yarmuk: 42,000: 860,000

killed: 4030: 150,000
yamama: 8900: 40,000
killed: 1800: 21,000
muta:3000:10,000
killed: 13 : 500
tuliaha: 11,000:20,000
killed: 600: 10,000
khalid lost 6918 soldiers and killed 431,500 soldiers in only the 8 battles mentioned above.

after checking all the world generals i found that khalid bin al-waleed is #1 of all times over the world.

[tickledpinko]

Salahuddin and Khalid bin Walid...we need more leaders like them today :(

Inshaallah when the Mahdi and Isa a.s. shows up the Ummah will be One just like during the Prophet's (peace be upon him) time.

[ebolebo]

Tariq bin Ziyad, young and courageous general of the Mujahedin, who crossed strides from Northern Africa to land on Gibraltar (named after Tariq, as the Arabic derivation of Jabar-al-Tariq, Rock of Tariq) and then to Spain where his 12,000 plus army defeated the forces of Spain and establish Muslim rule upon its frontiers.Interesting.

And, pray tell, what was the Muslim army doing in Spain ? a legitimate jihad, I imagine ? or simply, a war of aggression, stealing non-Muslim land, as they say ?

[ebolebo]

khalid lost 6918 soldiers .Hey, this sort of detail constitutes a breakthrough in historical inquiry. Care to give us the names of these 6918 soldiers ?

More seriously: numbers of combatants and casualties, for 7th century battles, are purely imaginary. There are absolutely no reliable data on this.

[Ibn Sina]

If the poll was about who was the most skilled fighter then I would've choosen Ali (ra) .... He killed 18 infidels by himself in the Battle of Badr, Subhan'Allah ....

[Ibn Sina]

And wasn't Muhammad bin Qasim the one who conquered the subcontinent? So why is Babur up there?

[Stylish-Girly]

No doubt Khalid ibn Waleed got the highest votes, 79 and mine marks 80! But ultimately each leader was great in his own way, im sure many worthy ones havent been mentioned

And wasn't Muhammad bin Qasim the one who conquered the subcontinent? So why is Babur up there?

Yes bro