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Illuminati
03-06-12, 08:05 PM
Salam,

At the moment my hair is growing quite fast so I need to have another haircut. But my sideburns are quite long and half way between my chin and middle of ears.

When I go for a haircut shall I cut the sideburns completely up to the cheek bones. Or shall I trim the side burns to match with my hair and not cut it?

The prophet said when having beard to leave it and to trim the mustache short. What shall I do in this situation.

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 08:14 PM
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Illuminati
03-06-12, 08:14 PM
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.mirror.
03-06-12, 08:15 PM
:wswrwb:

In the Hanafi maddhab, beard that grows on the jawline cannot be trimmed less than one fist. That includes sideburn close to the ears.

PakiBaz
03-06-12, 08:28 PM
walaykumsalaam


Question: Assalamu Alaikum,

I have a few questions. Firstly, is it permissible to cut your hair in different lengths (buzz cut or fohawks), or can you shave of your sideburns and make a style on your beard, not shave it off. I am asking this because when I was younger the barber used to shave my sideburns of while giving me a haircut, but I’m almost 16 now and my sideburns are huge and I have no beard…I look like a monkey… My dad said I can’t shave it off because its part of my beard and keeping a beard is [wājib?]

If you break something that is wājib, are you still a muslim and what is the punishment? Also, what is the amount you have to keep of the beard?



Answer:



In the Name of Allah, the Most Gracious, the Most Merciful.

As-salāmu ‘alaykum wa-rahmatullāhi wa-barakātuh.

There are two parts to your question. The first is to do with the hair of the head and the second is to do with the beard. They will be discussed separately.



Haircuts


It is permissible for a male to cut his hair. This is based on the fact that there are numerous narrations which mention that Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam and the Sahabah radhiallahu anhum cut or shaved their hair. However, there are certain haircuts/ hairstyles that are impermissible.

Everyone is attracted to the latest fashion and style donned by celebrities, pop stars, sports stars and models. Everybody wants to be identified as a person who is in-sync with the times and in co-ordination with the latest trend. This ranges from the clothes such people wear to the foods they eat; and the hairstyles they don.

Hairstyles play a major part in the way a person is perceived by society. Certain hairstyles display chivalry and boyishness, whereas other styles display that a person is a business man or a serious person. Certain hairstyles link a person to a certain group, clique or organization. Other people choose to style their hair to display their personality; be it daring, carefree, lazy, adventurous, free spirited etc.

Some of these hairstyles are as follows:

•Crew cut

•Buzz cut

•Dreadlocks

•Fohawk

•Mowhawk

•Flattop

•Afro

•Spikes

•Mullet

•Pompadour

•Quiff

•Rattail

•Caesar cut

•Cornrows

•Shag

•Undercut

•Curtains

•Half ponytail

•High top fade

•Line up

•Tonsure

•Waves

•Comb over

•Emo hair

•Bangs

As Muslims we should protect our identity. Islam is our way of life in everything. It is not restricted to the masjid, the house or our workplace; it advises us on what we can wear and can’t wear, on what we can eat and can’t eat; likewise it has given us specific guidelines pertaining to our appearance.

Allah Ta῾ālā states in the Holy Quran:



قُلْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ

(3/31)

“Say: (Oh Muhammad) If you love Allah then follow me and Allah will love you and He will forgive your sins.”





It was the noble habit of Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam to keep long hair and it has also been proven that he shaved the hair of his mubaarak head.[i]

If one doesn’t want to keep long hair or a bald head, he may adopt the hairstyles of the pious people because Allah Ta῾ālā states in the Holy Quran:



وَاتَّبِعْ سَبِيلَ مَنْ أَنَابَ إِلَيَّ

(31/15)

“And follow the way of those people who repent to me.”



Generally, there are two factors that render a haircut impermissible.

1. قزع (Partially shaved) [ii]

2. تشبه (Imitating non- Muslims)

Qaza’ is impermissible because of the following Hadīth:



عَنْ عُمَرَ بْنِ نَافِعٍ، عَنْ نَافِعٍ، عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ قَالَ: نَهَى رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ عَنِ الْقَزَعِ . قَالَ: وَمَا الْقَزَعُ؟ قَالَ: أَنْ يُحْلَقَ مِنْ رَأْسِ الصَّبِيِّ مَكَانٌ وَيُتْرَكَ مَكَانٌ[iii]



Translation: Umar bin Nāfi’ that Nāfi’ narrates that Ibn Umar radhiallahu anhuma said: Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam prohibited us from Qaza’. Ibn Nāfi’ enquired: what is Qaza’? He replied: “To shave one part of a child’s head and leave the remaining part unshaven.”

Some of the haircuts mentioned above fall under the ambit of Qaza’ such as the: crew cut, flattop, rattail and mowhawk (when part of the head is shaved).

The second factor that renders a haircut impermissible is imitating non-muslims or fashioning ones hair according to the latest hairstyles. Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam said:



عَنِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ، قَالَ: قَالَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ: مَنْ تَشَبَّهَ بِقَوْمٍ فَهُوَ مِنْهُمْ[iv]



If a person’s hair is uneven, it will be deemed impermissible if it resembles the fashion hairstyles of the non- believers[v] such as footballers, pop stars, actors etc. Haircuts and hairstyles such as a mowhawk, fohawk, marine cut, tram lines, box fade, quiff, pompadour, emo cut etc. will be impermissible.[vi]

If one is not sure as to whether keeping a certain hairstyle falls under the ambit of imitating the non- believers then he should abstain from it. Rasulullah sallallahu alaihi wasallam is reported to have said:



دَعْ مَا يَرِيبُكَ إِلَى مَا لاَ يَرِيبُكَ[vii]



“Leave that which puts you in doubt and implement that thing which does not put you in doubt.”

The Beard- its’ definition





The definition of the beard is as follows[viii]:

أَنَّ الْمُرَادَ بِاللِّحْيَةِ الشَّعْرُ النَّابِتُ عَلَى الْخَدَّيْنِ مِنْ عِذَارٍ وَعَارِضٍ وَالذَّقَنِ [ix]



“The following is meant by ‘lihya’: the hair that grows on the cheeks consisting of the sideburns (idhār), jawbone (āridh) and chin (dhaqn).”

عِذَارٍ: شعر الخدين من شحمة الاذنين الى منبت اللحية /القدر المياذي للاذن



“Idhār: The hair that grow on the cheeks; starting from the earlobe until the jawbone/ the area adjacent to the ears.”



عَارِضٍ: الشعر النابت على الخد و يمتد من اسفل العذار حتى يلاقي الشعر النابت على الذقن[x]



“Aaridh: The hair that grows on the cheek; it starts from the bottom of the idhār until the hair that grows on the chin.”



From the above mentioned definitions, we understand that the beard consists of the hair of the sideburns, jawbone and chin. Based on this, it is not permissible for one to shave of his sideburns or trim them because they are part of one’s beard which is wājib to keep. The wājib length one must grow his beard to is one fist as is stated in Durarul Hukkam.[xi]



And Allah Ta’āla Knows Best



Mawlana Saanwal ibn Muhammad,
UK

Student Darul Iftaa



Checked and Approved by,
Mufti Ebrahim Desai.
www.daruliftaa.net



[i] احسن الفتاوى, ج.٨, ص.٨١





[ii] وَيُكْرَهُ الْقَزَعُ وَهُوَ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ الْبَعْضَ وَيَتْرُكَ الْبَعْضَ

)رد المحتار على الدر المختار, ج.٦, ص.٤٠٧, دار الفكر(



قَالَ: وَمَا الْقَزَعُ؟ قَالَ: أَنْ يُحْلَقَ مِنْ رَأْسِ الصَّبِيِّ مَكَانٌ وَيُتْرَكَ مَكَانٌ

)سنن ابن ماجه, ج.٢, ص.١٢٠١, دار إحياء الكتب العربية(



[iii] سنن ابن ماجه, ج.٢, ص.١٢٠١, دار إحياء الكتب العربية



[iv] سنن أبي داود, ج.٤, ص.٤٤, المكتبة العصرية



[v] فتاوى رحيمية, ج.١٠, ص.١١٥, دار الاشاعت



[vi] ...فالرخصة انما هي جميع شعر الرأس موجودة, و كانت الذؤابة طويلة من سائر الشعور

)بذل المجهود, ج.١٧, ص.٨٣, دار الريان للتراث(



Other texts to take into consideration



( ق ز ع ) : ( فِي الْحَدِيثِ ) نَهَى عَنْ ( الْقَزَعِ ) هُوَ أَنْ يُحْلَقَ الرَّأْسُ وَيُتْرَكَ شَعْرٌ مُتَفَرِّقٌ فِي مَوَاضِعَ فَذَلِكَ الشَّعْرُ قَزَعٌ ( وَقَزَّعَ ) رَأْسَهُ تَقْزِيعًا حَلَقَهُ كَذَلِكَ وَكَأَنَّهُ مِنْ ( قَزَعَ ) السَّحَابِ وَهُوَ قِطَعٌ مِنْهُ مُتَفَرِّقَةٌ صِغَارٌ جَمْعُ قَزَعَةٍ ( وَمِنْهَا ) الْحَدِيث { كَانَتْ السَّمَاءُ كَالزُّجَاجَةِ لَيْسَتْ فِيهَا قَزَعَةٌ } .

)المغرب(



قَوْلُهُ وَأَمَّا حَلْقُ رَأْسِهِ إلَخْ) وَفِي الرَّوْضَةِ للزَّنْدَوِيستي أَنَّ السُّنَّةَ فِي شَعْرِ الرَّأْسِ إمَّا الْفَرْقُ أَوْ الْحَلْقُ. وَذَكَرَ الطَّحَاوِيُّ: أَنَّ الْحَلْقَ سُنَّةٌ، وَنَسَبَ ذَلِكَ إلَى الْعُلَمَاءِ الثَّلَاثَةِ، وَفِي الذَّخِيرَةِ: وَلَا بَأْسَ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ وَسَطَ رَأْسِهِ وَيُرْسِلَ شَعْرَهُ مِنْ غَيْرِ أَنْ يَفْتِلَهُ وَإِنْ فَتَلَهُ فَذَلِكَ مَكْرُوهٌ، لِأَنَّهُ يَصِيرُ مُشَبَّهًا بِبَعْضِ الْكَفَرَةِ وَالْمَجُوس فِي دِيَارِنَا يُرْسِلُونَ الشَّعْرَ مِنْ غَيْرِ فَتْلٍ، وَلَكِنْ لَا يَحْلِقُونَ وَسَطَ الرَّأْسِ بَلْ يَجُزُّونَ النَّاصِيَةَ تَتَارْخَانِيَّةٌ قَالَ ط: وَيُكْرَهُ الْقَزَعُ وَهُوَ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ الْبَعْضَ وَيَتْرُكَ الْبَعْضَ قَطْعًا مِقْدَارَ ثَلَاثَةِ أَصَابِعَ كَذَا فِي الْغَرَائِبِ، وَفِيهَا: كَانَ بَعْضُ السَّلَفِ يَتْرُكُ سِبَالَيْهِ وَهُمَا أَطْرَافُ الشَّوَارِبِ.

)رد المحتار على الدر المختار, ج.٦, ص.٤٠٧, دار الفكر(



وفي رَوْضِهِ الزندويستي أَنَّ السُّنَّةَ في شَعْرِ الرَّأْسِ إمَّا الْفَرْقُ وَإِمَّا الْحَلْقُ وَذَكَرَ الطَّحْطَاوِيُّ الْحَلْقُ سُنَّةٌ وَنُسِبَ ذلك إلَى الْعُلَمَاءِ الثَّلَاثَةِ كَذَا في التَّتَارْخَانِيَّة يُسْتَحَبُّ حَلْقُ الرَّأْسِ في كل جُمُعَةٍ كَذَا في الْغَرَائِبِ وَلَا بَأْسَ لِلرَّجُلِ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ وَسَطَ رَأْسِهِ وَيُرْسِلَ شَعْرَهُ من غَيْرِ أَنْ يَفْتِلَهُ وَإِنْ فَتَلَهُ فَذَلِكَ مَكْرُوهٌ لِأَنَّهُ يَصِيرُ مُشَابِهًا بِبَعْضِ الْكَفَرَةِ وَالْمَجُوس في دِيَارِنَا يُرْسِلُونَ الشَّعْرَ من غَيْرِ فَتْلٍ وَلَكِنْ لَا يَحْلِقُونَ وَسَطَ الرَّأْسِ بَلْ يَجُزُّونَ النَّاصِيَةَ كَذَا في الذَّخِيرَةِ وَيَجُوزُ حَلْقُ الرَّأْسِ وَتَرْكُ الْفَوْدَيْنِ إنْ أَرْسَلَهُمَا وَإِنْ شَدَّهُمَا على الرَّأْسِ فَلَا كَذَا في الْقُنْيَةِ يُكْرَهُ الْقَزَعُ وهو أَنْ يَحْلِقَ الْبَعْضَ وَيَتْرُكَ الْبَعْضَ قَطْعًا مِقْدَارَ ثَلَاثَةِ أَصَابِعَ كَذَا في الْغَرَائِبِ وَعَنْ أبي حَنِيفَةَ رَحِمَهُ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى يُكْرَهُ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ قَفَاهُ إلَّا عِنْدَ الْحِجَامَةِ

)الفتاوى الهندية, ج.٥, ص.٣٥٧, دار الفكر(



( وَ ) مِنْهَا ( الْقَزَعُ ) بِفَتْحِ الْقَافِ وَالزَّايِ فَمُهْمَلَةٌ وَهُوَ أَنْ يَحْلِقَ بَعْضَ رَأْسِ الصَّبِيِّ وَيَتْرُكَ مِنْهُ مَوَاضِعَ النَّهْيِ وَلِتَقْبِيحِ الصُّورَةِ وَلِتَشِبِّيهِ الْكَفَرَةِ فَإِذَا مُنِعَ مِنْ الصَّبِيِّ فَبِالْأَوْلَى مِنْ الْبَالِغِ ثُمَّ نُقِلَ إلَى الْأَعَمِّ مِنْ الصَّبِيِّ أَوْ تُجُوِّزَ لَهُ وَفِي الْجَامِعِ عَلَى رِوَايَةِ ابْنِ عُمَرَ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى عَنْهُمَا { احْلِقُوهُ أَيْ أَزِيلُوا شَعْرَ الرَّأْسِ كُلَّهُ أَوْ اُتْرُكُوهُ كُلَّهُ } فَحَلْقُ الْبَعْضِ مَعَ تَرْكِ الْبَعْضِ مَكْرُوهٌ مُطْلَقًا تَنْزِيهًا بِلَا عُذْرٍ لِرَجُلٍ أَوْ امْرَأَةٍ ذَكَرَهُ النَّوَوِيُّ فِي الْقَفَا أَوْ النَّاصِيَةِ أَوْ الْوَسَطِ خِلَافًا لِبَعْضِ مَا فِيهِ مِنْ التَّشْوِيهِ وَتَقْبِيحِ الصُّورَةِ وَزِيِّ أَهْلِ الْفَسَادِ بَلْ زِيِّ الْيَهُودِ وَيَشْمَلُ مَا إذَا تَرَكَ مَوَاضِعَ مُتَفَرِّقَةً أَوْ حَلَقَ الْأَكْثَرَ وَتَرَكَ مَحَلًّا وَاحِدًا وَهُوَ مِنْ كَمَالِ الْمَحَبَّةِ الْمُصْطَفَى لِلْعَدْلِ فَإِنَّهُ أَمَرَ بِهِ حَتَّى فِي شَأْنِ الْإِنْسَانِ مَعَ نَفْسِهِ فَنَهَاهُ عَنْ حَلْقِ بَعْضٍ وَتَرْكِ بَعْضٍ لِأَنَّهُ ظُلْمٌ لِلرَّأْسِ حَيْثُ جَعَلَ بَعْضَهُ كَاسِيًا وَبَعْضَهُ عَارِيًّا وَنَظِيرُهُ الْمَشْيُ فِي نَعْلٍ وَاحِدَةٍ .

وَقَوْلُهُ احْلِقُوهُ يَدُلُّ عَلَى جَوَازِ الْحَلْقِ وَهُوَ مَذْهَبُ الْجُمْهُورِ وَخَصَّ ذَلِكَ بَعْضُ الْمَالِكِيَّةِ بِالضَّرُورَةِ لِوُرُودِ النَّهْيِ فِي غَيْرِ الْحَجِّ لِكَوْنِهِ فِعْلَ الْمَجُوسِ وَالصَّوَابُ الْجَوَازُ بِلَا كَرَاهَةٍ وَلَا خِلَافَ الْأَوْلَى وَأَمَّا قَوْلُ أَبِي شَامَةَ الْأَوْلَى تَرْكُهُ لِلتَّشْوِيهِ وَمُخَالَفَةِ السُّنَّةِ إذْ لَمْ يُنْقَلْ حَلْقُهُ عَلَيْهِ الصَّلَاةُ وَالسَّلَامُ بَلْ إثْمٌ فِي غَيْرِ نُسُكٍ لِأَنَّهُ شَرَعَ فِي الدِّينِ مَا لَمْ يَأْذَنْ بِهِ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى فَفِي حَيِّزِ الْمَنْعِ بِلَا رَيْبٍ كَيْفَ وَقَدْ { حَلَقَ الْمُصْطَفَى صَلَّى اللَّهُ تَعَالَى عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ رَأْسَ ابْنِ جَعْفَرِ بْنِ أَبِي طَالِبٍ رَضِيَ اللَّهُ تَعَالَى عَنْهُ } وَأَعْدَلُ حَدِيثٍ فِي هَذَا الْمَقَامِ قَوْلُ حُجَّةِ الْإِسْلَامِ لَا بَأْسَ بِحَلْقِهِ لِمَزِيدِ التَّنْظِيفِ وَلَا بِتَرْكِهِ لِمَنْ يَدَّهِنُ وَيَتَرَجَّلُ يَعْنِي مَنْ قَدَرَ عَلَى دَهْنِهِ وَتَرْجِيلِهِ فَبَقَاؤُهُ لَهُ أَوْلَى وَمَنْ عَسُرَ عَلَيْهِ لِضَعْفٍ وَفَقْرٍ فَيُلَبَّدُ وَيَتَوَسَّخُ وَيَجْمَعُ الْقَمْلَ فَحَلْقُهُ أَوْلَى .

)بريقة محمودية في شرح طريقة محمدية وشريعة نبوية(



الاقتصار على حلق الربع أو تقصيره عند التحلل؛ بالخروج من إحرام الحج والعمرة، وهذا الكراهة في جميع أحوال الحلق؛ لأن القزع منهي عنه، فعن ابن عمر ء رضي الله عنهم ء: (إن رسول الله ء صلى الله عليه وسلم ء نهى عن القزع، قال: قلت لنافع: وما القزع؟ قال: يحلق بعض رأس الصبي ويترك)

)الجامع في أحكام الصيام والاعتكاف والحج والعمرة(



[vii] سنن الترمذي, ج.٤, ص .٢٤٩, دار الغرب الإسلامي



[viii] وَفِي شَرْحِ الْإِرْشَادِ اللِّحْيَةُ الشَّعْرُ النَّابِتُ بِمُجْتَمَعِ اللَّحْيَيْنِ وَالْعَارِضِ مَا بَيْنَهُمَا وَبَيْنَ الْعِذَارِ وَهُوَ الْقَدْرُ الْمُحَاذِي لِلْأُذُنِ يَتَّصِلُ مِنْ الْأَعْلَى بِالصُّدْغِ وَمِنْ الْأَسْفَلِ بِالْعَارِضِ

)البحر الرائق شرح كنز الدقائق, ج.١, ص.١٦,دار الكتاب الإسلامي(



[ix] البحر الرائق شرح كنز الدقائق, ج.١, ص.١٦,دار الكتاب الإسلامي



[x] الموسوعة الفقهية الكويتية/ المورد القريب



[xi] وَأَمَّا الْأَخْذُ مِنْ اللِّحْيَةِ، وَهِيَ دُونَ الْقُبْضَةِ كَمَا يَفْعَلُهُ بَعْضُ الْمَغَارِبَةِ وَمُخَنَّثَةُ الرِّجَالِ فَلَمْ يُبِحْهُ أَحَدٌ وَأَخْذُ كُلِّهَا فِعْلُ مَجُوسِ الْأَعَاجِمِ وَالْيَهُودِ وَالْهُنُودِ وَبَعْضِ أَجْنَاسِ الْإِفْرِنْجِ كَمَا فِي الْفَتْحِ

)درر الحكام شرح غرر الأحكام, ج.١, ص.٢٠٨, دار إحياء الكتب العربية(

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 08:36 PM
:wswrwb:

In the Hanafi maddhab, beard that grows on the jawline cannot be trimmed less than one fist. That includes sideburn close to the ears.Reference please.

.mirror.
03-06-12, 08:41 PM
My Brain ;)

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 08:42 PM
My Brain ;)Da'eef.

.mirror.
03-06-12, 08:51 PM
What area consists of beard and what area may be removed? (http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=12928&act=view)

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 08:52 PM
What area consists of beard and what area may be removed? (http://www.islam.tc/cgi-bin/askimam/ask.pl?q=12928&act=view)
No reference.

.mirror.
03-06-12, 08:59 PM
That's all I have.

Though, I remember reading it's based on different interpretations of the word beard in Arabic and the area it grow. Shafi'is have a different opinion that Hanafis.

Fais
03-06-12, 09:05 PM
Reference please.

Reference to what?

.mirror.
03-06-12, 09:11 PM
That beards is what grows on the jawbone (in Hanafi).

Fais
03-06-12, 09:12 PM
That beards is what grows on the jawbone (in Hanafi).

The beard is the hair that sprouts from the chin. (Shafi & Maliki I think)

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 09:16 PM
The beard is the hair that sprouts from the chin. (Shafi & Maliki I think)Shafii ref pls

AkhRidz
03-06-12, 09:17 PM
:salams

Mirror and Fais since this is an issue of science, is this not an example where you can take from scientists and then apply that to fiqh? :scratch:

Fais
03-06-12, 09:35 PM
Shafii ref pls

Just come out to get something to eat ... Will give to you late Insha Allah :coolbro:

Fais
03-06-12, 10:19 PM
Shafii ref pls

"The beard (Ar. al-lihya) is defined as the ‘hair that grows on the chin.’ [Fath al-Mubīn 1.66]."

Fais
03-06-12, 10:20 PM
:salams

Mirror and Fais since this is an issue of science, is this not an example where you can take from scientists and then apply that to fiqh? :scratch:

:wswrwb:

You talking about alchemy?

.mirror.
03-06-12, 10:21 PM
:salams

Mirror and Fais since this is an issue of science, is this not an example where you can take from scientists and then apply that to fiqh? :scratch:

:wswrwb:

Not sure what you mean.

Abu 'Abdullaah
03-06-12, 10:37 PM
"The beard (Ar. al-lihya) is defined as the ‘hair that grows on the chin.’ [Fath al-Mubīn 1.66]."Author?

ahmad12
03-06-12, 10:52 PM
Salaam

"The beard itself starts from the slightly protruding bone close to the ear.

It is permissible to trim the hair above that bone, but below that bone may only be trimmed to a fist's length. If it is still too curly, then you can use a hair styling gel, etc. to neaten it. (Fataawa Mahmoodiyah vol.8 pg.294)

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai"

That is the Hanafi madhab. So anything below that bone, along the jawline is considered part of the beard and anything above can be shaven/trimmed

And Allah knows best

:jkk:

Fais
03-06-12, 10:56 PM
Author?

Good question ... I don't know, I'll find out Insha Allah.

Abu 'Abdullaah
04-06-12, 03:29 AM
Good question ... I don't know, I'll find out Insha Allah.lol

Uthmani
04-06-12, 04:45 AM
Your beard hair and your head hair are vastly different, you should be able to know the difference because most of our beards are much rougher and thinner than our hair.

Illuminati
04-06-12, 01:15 PM
:jkk:

So any hair above the jaw bone I can trim?

And I have to leave everything below the jaw bone?

AkhRidz
04-06-12, 01:17 PM
:wswrwb:

Not sure what you mean.

What I learnt was eg. Shisha. You go to the scholars of science they tell you its harmful. You then take that information to the scholars of Islam who tell you haram or halal. As in you go to the experts of the fields your dealing with.
So I meant, can't we bust open an encylopedia check that, tell a scholar that and he tells you yes or no?

Illuminati
04-06-12, 01:20 PM
This thread is useless without pics.

Well it looks quite similar to this picture i found on google images.

http://jefffsbeardboard.yuku.com/topic/7960#.T8y2HcWWy4A

Similar but longer side burns

Illuminati
04-06-12, 01:33 PM
Heres a relevant fatwa if it helps

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/110209/hair

Illuminati
04-06-12, 01:53 PM
Assalamu alaikum brother,

From my understranding and this is what Mufti Ibrahim Desai is saying as well, part of the sideburn is part of the beard and part is not. If you consider the sideburn to be the hair from the top the ears all the say down where the jaw curves and becomes horizontal, then part of the sideburn is only the beard and part is not. The part which is not part of the beard is from the top of the ears to the joint where the jaw bone meets the skull bone. This joint is approximately at the bottom of the ears. This is the part which can be trimmed (Note: Before editing this said cannot be trimmed) because these hairs are on the skull bone and not the jawbone. The part which is below the joint to where the jaw curves and becomes horizontal cannot be trimmed as this is on the jawbone.

Is this good explanation? and correct?

Illuminati
04-06-12, 03:01 PM
Bump

Illuminati
04-06-12, 07:06 PM
nump

.mirror.
04-06-12, 07:07 PM
:jkk:

So any hair above the jaw bone I can trim?

And I have to leave everything below the jaw bone?

Jawbone is where there is a slight bump where your hair meets the sideburns. Above that you can shave (but, it would look weird unless you are fully bald).

Illuminati
04-06-12, 07:19 PM
Jawbone is where there is a slight bump where your hair meets the sideburns. Above that you can shave (but, it would look weird unless you are fully bald).

Im going to shave above my jaw bone to match my hair. Probably number 2.

And i leave everything below the jaw bone. Am i correct?

Everyone will be cussing me in my house because they will think im too "islamic" lol.

Illuminati
04-06-12, 07:52 PM
Look at the guy in the suit shall i have it like him?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRFiIvI4qYE

.mirror.
04-06-12, 07:55 PM
Yeah, that's above the jawbone. You can feel a little bone protruding where his hair touches his beard.