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babo
12-11-10, 11:43 PM
why as it become so normal for some of our Muslim brothers and sisters to just go in a fast food restaurant and eat food that is not halal ? and worst of all feeding it to their children. Developing their test for what is clearly haram. Is it because we are forgetting to remember Allah swt during our daily lives or we just don't care anymore ??

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SimplyMuslim
12-11-10, 11:46 PM
Salaam,

I went to Mcdonalds ages ago to get fishfillet burger meal
I asked him whether the fries are fried in seperate oil
and the cashier was Muslim and he told me that he wouldnt advice me to eat them]
then i asked for my burger and again he said he wouldnt advice it

never been there since
Made sure no one in my college goes there aswel

.mirror.
12-11-10, 11:51 PM
I didn't knew Muslims go to McD's and eat haram food.
Why would you do that when there are so many halal restaurants?
If not, then just eat veggie sandwich.

SimplyMuslim
12-11-10, 11:55 PM
fish aint haraam and i used to eat their burgers as a little kid
and found them tasty
but when realised that theres risk of mixed contamination then stopped going there

AbuMubarak
12-11-10, 11:58 PM
Salaam,

I went to Mcdonalds ages ago to get fishfillet burger meal
I asked him whether the fries are fried in seperate oil
and the cashier was Muslim and he told me that he wouldnt advice me to eat them]
then i asked for my burger and again he said he wouldnt advice it

never been there since
Made sure no one in my college goes there aswel
subhanallah

even the fish?

i guess it should not come as a surprise, they have haram food all around, and it matters not to them about the mixing of what we consider haram with the halal, so why should we be surprised?

i think a good perspective we should have is that haram meat is like feces, would you eat a halal meal at a place that kept your halal food next to feces?
if we look at it like that, it will help us keep a distance from these places

comfort and convenience comes at a cost, maybe a cost we should not be willing to pay

*Naz*
13-11-10, 12:00 AM
There is a BIG risk of cross contamination in mcdonalds and the fish/chips/veg or whatever are rarely left halaal! so i really advise it to be avoided :up:

Kas1m
13-11-10, 12:10 AM
There are halal subways though

Massilia
13-11-10, 12:12 AM
McDo lost 30% of clients with our Halal Quick and no pork sold in it in my town

DZF
13-11-10, 02:39 AM
Are the apple pies halal? I loooove me some apple pie!

Abdul-Curim
13-11-10, 02:45 AM
Salaam,

I went to Mcdonalds ages ago to get fishfillet burger meal
I asked him whether the fries are fried in seperate oil
and the cashier was Muslim and he told me that he wouldnt advice me to eat them]
then i asked for my burger and again he said he wouldnt advice it

never been there since
Made sure no one in my college goes there aswel

if it was not fit to eat for a Muslim then why does work there ?

M4Life
13-11-10, 02:48 AM
Yeah, we should keep away from these places, may allah help us, alot of fast food halal opening everywhere in uk, even in my town in country hampshire....... Make it ur self even.

adri
13-11-10, 03:44 AM
There are some maccas stores that are halal in my area :)

I used to like the ice cream until i found out it had gelatine i think, and then never ate one again.

My sister is best friends with a muslim and her friend still eats the chicken burgers in Macca's stores... I am not sure if she knows it is halal or not ... then again she is not very practising, Insha'Allah Allah SWT will guide her to the straight path, Ameen.

NoLa
13-11-10, 03:45 AM
It smells .

.mirror.
13-11-10, 03:53 AM
then again she is not very practising, Insha'Allah Allah SWT will guide her to the straight path, Ameen.

Yeah, I've had Muslims friend eat haram burgers, knowingly.
They're that hungry. :smack:

Ameen to the Dua'a.

IMMY
13-11-10, 04:11 AM
Yeah, I've had Muslims friend eat haram burgers, knowingly.
They're that hungry. :smack:

Ameen to the Dua'a.

in my city all the Arab Brothers eat at KFC knowing its not halal, but when confronted they say its not haraam only makruh so its not good to have but dont call haraam something the likes of chicken. Im just left opened mouthed after their statement, its not good to generalise but its safe to say in my city most of the arabs have those words on their mouths.

When i mention arab i mean (tunisian, morrocan, kuwaiti, egyptian)

.mirror.
13-11-10, 04:18 AM
Ohh...it's Makrooh, of course, it is.
They passing their own fatwa now?
Crazy people, I tell you.

Abdul-Curim
13-11-10, 04:25 AM
An opportunity for Muslims to start their own halal joints .

Halal industry is now worth $ 2 trillion worldwide .

http://www.halaljournal.com/article/863/major-new-event-showcases-usd2.1-trillion-halal-industry

TheRationalMan
13-11-10, 04:50 AM
Wait, why is it so important for food to be 'halal?'

.mirror.
13-11-10, 04:57 AM
Wait, why is it so important for food to be 'halal?'

Halal means it was slaugtered with Allah's name called upon the animal.

TheRationalMan
13-11-10, 05:00 AM
Halal means it was slaugtered with Allah's name called upon the animal.

So you can't eat an animal that hasn't been slaughtered this way?

Why not? And more importantly, lol, how can you even prove whether it's been done or not?

.mirror.
13-11-10, 05:05 AM
You can eat seafood.

And, you won't know if it's truly been slaughtered that way, but if you eat it by mistake, then you're not responsible for it. It was unintentional.
There are usually halal meat shops or halal restaurant, so we know it's halal. And, a muslim would not fake something as being halal if it's not.

AbuMubarak
13-11-10, 05:26 AM
So you can't eat an animal that hasn't been slaughtered this way?

Why not? And more importantly, lol, how can you even prove whether it's been done or not?
you little LOL's gonna get you banned

if you have a serious question, then please act like it

we dont mind questions, but if you wanna mock, go somewhere else

Abdul-Curim
13-11-10, 05:54 AM
Wait, why is it so important for food to be 'halal?'

Cause Rational men always go for halal meat .

Abdul-Curim
13-11-10, 05:55 AM
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RashidD
13-11-10, 07:04 AM
I don't understand some of you guys... Don't you take cross-contamination into account?

wannest
13-11-10, 09:43 AM
i dont understand all this contamination thing. is it because they sold porky burger overseas in McDs?

Khadijah=]
25-02-11, 01:49 PM
Salaam,
I find the topic of McDonalds very confusing, because everyone is saying different things!
So, I decided to email them myself and they replied:

Thank you for your e-mail regarding McDonald’s cooking procedures and whether we include Halal products within the range.



Although I can confirm that none of our products carry Halal certification, all of our products are cooked separately, beef patties are cooked on a griddle and our Filet, French Fries, Apple Pies and Vegetable Deluxe are cooked in vegetable oil using dedicated cooking vats. These vats are exclusively for the purpose of cooking a specific product and that product alone.



Due to the order of rotation during the filtering of the vats, there is a possibility the100% vegetable oil used to cook the vegetable patty may come into contact with the 100% vegetable oil used to cook the chicken and/or fish products. Whilst every possible precaution is taken in order to prevent cross contamination during this filtering process, we cannot categorically state this would never occur.



The French Fries, which have been approved by the Vegetarian Society, are cooked using different equipment and are entirely segregated from the other products; therefore this product is not affected.



I hope that I have been able to reassure you of McDonald's cooking procedures, attention to detail and unequivocal dedication to offering only the highest quality products to our customers, at all times.



Finally, thank you for taking the time and trouble to contact us on this subject.



Regards


Aida Shafiq

Internet Response Team



McDonald's Customer Services Department

11 - 59 High Road

East Finchley

London

N2 8AW

Tel: 08705 244622

sumz
25-02-11, 02:33 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IGtDPG4UfI&feature=related

aproudmuslim
25-02-11, 06:58 PM
well not all muslim brothers and sisters go to eat haram food
about the oil used, it is different to every mcdonalds as it depends how the person filters it
i.e the mcds i workd in, i used to filter the fries station frst then the fish fryin station and then the rest as the oil used for these wud be contaminated wid the oil used for chicken :)

aproudmuslim
25-02-11, 06:58 PM
why as it become so normal for some of our Muslim brothers and sisters to just go in a fast food restaurant and eat food that is not halal ? and worst of all feeding it to their children. Developing their test for what is clearly haram. Is it because we are forgetting to remember Allah swt during our daily lives or we just don't care anymore ??

my Youtube channel
http://www.youtube.com/user/786THEONEANDONLY?feature=mhum

btw amazin vdo akhi :)

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 12:00 PM
70% of people in the uk said they where christia on the census form

{This day we have made lawful to you all types of good (food) and the food (slaughtered meat) which come to you from the people of the book (Jews & Christians) is lawful for you just like your food is lawful for them}?.

Al Maaidah 5/5

Al-Qaadhi Ibn Al-Arabee Al-Maalikee said in his book "Ahkaam Al-Qur?aan" regarding the explanation of this verse as occurs in its text:

"this is a definitive proof that the game of the hunterand the food of those that were given The Book is from the "tayyibaat" (good things) which Allaah the most high has allowed; and it is halal in the absolute?I was asked regarding a Christian who twisted the neck of a chicken and then cooked it, as to whether it is to be eaten( from him,) and can it be taken as
the food of the people of The Book?? so I said ?it can be eaten ? because it is his food and the food of his Priests and his Monks. Even if it be that this is not from the method of slaughtering which is carried out by us (the Muslims) ? however Allaah the most high has made it allowable for us to eat their food unrestrictedly, so all which they hold in their Religion to be halaal then it is halal for us except in that which Allaah has declared their lies regarding."

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 12:10 PM
another clarification

for me it is just a christian country in the uk as christian lands during the time of the prophet, they still worship other than Allah, and the meat within the slaughter houses are bled and the throats slit

so whatdya say, mcdonalds for lunch?

Eating the Meat of Ahl Al-Kitaab (Jews Christians)
Imaam Ibn Uthaymeen (Rahimahullaah)

Q. Is it permissible to eat poultry which is sold in the markets on the
basis that it is meat of the People of the Book...or is it impermissible on
the basis that it is a carcass slaughtered by unknown means i.e. was it done
by cutting off the head or electrocution or some such means... and are the
Ahl-Kitaab today truly to be considered in this ruling [as those of the
past]?

A. Yes, eating the poultry is permissible because that which is slaughtered
by the Ahl Al-Kitaab today is just as what was slaughtered by Ahl Al-Kitaab
in the time of the Prophet (sallallaahu ưalayhi wa sallam). The Ahl Al-Kitaab are of the Kuffaar
(disbelievers) whether they are in the time of the Prophet (saaws) or now.
Allah says in His Noble Book They have certainly disbelieved who say that
Verily Allah is Isa Ibn Maryam and the Messiah said "O Children of Israel
worship Allah my Lord and your Lord Verily whosoever commits shirk
(associates partners with Allah in any way) Allah has made the Paradise
forbidden to him and his end will be the Hellfire and there will be no help
to the Dhaalimeen. They have certainly disbelieved who say that Allah is the
third of three and there is no deity except the single Deity and if they do
not desist from what they are saying We will inflict upon those disbelievers
a painful punishment.

Allah also says in the same chapter: "Today I have made permissible for you
that which is good and wholesome and the food of those who were sent the
Scripture is permissible to you and your food is permissible to them."

As far as the methodology of the slaughtering we do not inquire about the
method because if an action has occurred min ahlihi [at the hands of those
suited to perform such an act] the conditions surrounding that act are not
asked about.

We find in Saheeh Al-Bukhari: "It is related by Aisha (raa) that a group of
people said to the Prophet (sallallaahu ưalayhi wa sallam) 'Some people came to us with some meat
about which we didn't know whether the name of Allah was mentioned over or
not' and he replied (saaws) Sammoo [Say the name of Allah] over it
yourselves and then eat. She [Aisha - raa] said that these people had just
recently been from the Kuffaar [i.e. just became Muslim and the question was
not asked as to the method of slaughter].

This rule therefore applies to the Jews and the Christians about whom we
don't know whether or not they have mentioned Allah's name or not because
their slaughtered meat is halal [permissible] to us.

Q. Please clarify the fatwa - esteemed Sheikh - If a Muslim goes to the
markets and eating places in a Christian land and purchases the lamb, beef,
of chicken and does not ask about how it was slaughtered?

A. Yes, he does not ask about the method of slaughter.

Q. What if he is informed however that the meat has been stunned by electric
shock, or has been choked or shot? What is the ruling for meat slaughtered
like this? Is it considered a carcass? [Which is impermissible to eat]

A. It is not permissible if it is known with certainty because it would be
considered a carcass.

Q. Can we understand from the hadith of Aisha (raa) which is related in the
fatwa that the question which was posed by the people to the Messenger of
Allah (saaws) was only in relation to whether Allah's name was mentioned
over the animal being slaughtered and it was not about the actual method of
slaughter?

A. Yes, they did ask about the mentioning of the name of Allah and not the
actual method of slaughtering and it is evident in the hadith that it is not
necessary to ask about either.

Q. Is it possible to say that if there are
stores in a city where the Muslim lives and those stores carry meat
slaughtered according to the Islamic method - even of it is more expensive -
that it is not then permissible to buy the meat of the Christians?

A. No it is not possible to say that because the slaughtered meat of the
Christians and the Jews is halal. However whoever leaves it [doesn't eat it]
out of a sense of piety [tawar'an], we see no fault upon him. [Tawar'a or
wara' is when a person has such piety that they will avoid even that which
is permissible to do what is even better from wanting to please Allah and
also eliminating any possibility of doing something wrong].

Q. One of the readers asks about a relation from Ali Ibn Abi Talib (raa) in
which he reportedly said: "Do not eat the meat slaughtered by Bani Taglab
because they adhere to Christianity by drink alcohol." Can this be then used
as a proof considering the Christians of today, the majority of who drink
alcohol , that it is not permissible to eat their slaughtered meat?

A. I do not know the authenticity of this statement [from the Sahabah] and
if it is authentic its meaning would be that they [Banu Taglab] were not
actually on the religion of the Christians and therefore they would not fall
under the ruling of permissibility of their slaughtered meat.

Q. If it is known that some of the slaughterhouses in this country slaughter
sheep and cattle along with swine is it permissible to eat that meat
especially when the same instruments are used to slaughter both at the same
time?

A. In this case, if we know that the knives are used for both then the meat
should be washed and it will be purified through washing.

Q. Is it possible - esteemed Sheikh - for you to address us with a word to
the Muslim in the Western countries about the obligation of staying far away
from disobedience [to Allah and His Prophet (sallallaahu ưalayhi wa sallam)] and haram things and
doubtful matters because we are aware of some of them being lax in relation
to some major sins such as not praying or illicit sex or drinking alcohol
yet he is distressed or makes complicated the eating of meat which is not
slaughtered according to Islamic method?

A. My advice to them is to have taqwa and fear Allah's punishment and to
remember the Day of Meeting, a day which the excuses of those who wrong
themselves will be of no avail. A day when the parent will not afford their
offspring anything nor can the offspring do anything for the parent. A day
when they will all be raised from their graves barefoot, and naked. We ask
Allah for all guidance and success.

Muhammad Saleh Al-Uthaimeen (rahimahullaah) 2/28/1414

replicate
05-05-11, 12:55 PM
What percentage of the non-muslim butchers in U.K follow Christianity or Judaism and what percentage regard themselves as atheists?

How do you define ahl al-kitaab in its strict interpretation and what percentage are adherents of this in the world?

Umm_Adam_
05-05-11, 01:23 PM
Sorry This Is Confusing :embar:

Your saying We Can Eat Kosher Chicken :scratch:

RRIIZZZ
05-05-11, 01:24 PM
its best not to have mcdonalds big mac or any meat which is slaughtered by the Ahl Al-Kitaab because you can not be 100 percent sure that the meat which is which is slaughtered by the Ahl Al-Kitaab can be considered Halal.

Meat of Ahlul-Kitaab (Jews & Christians):

The opinion amongst those who consider commercially available meat from Western Supermarkets permissible to consume can be divided into two categories.

Position of Hanbali Ulama of Saudi Arabia: In order for meat of Ahlul-Kitaab to be considered Halal, the following conditions have to be met:

a) That the meat be slaughtered as a Muslim does it, but cutting the throat and oesophagus and letting the blood flow. If the animal is killed by strangling or electric shock or drowning in water, its meat is not permissible.

b) No name other than that of Allah (SWT) should be mentioned over it, such as the name of the Messiah etc, because Allah (SWT) says (interpretation of the meaning): [6:121] “Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allah (SWT) ’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal)”

c) Meat must not be sacrificed by Ahlul-Kitaab for their religious festivals or in order to get closer to someone other than Allah (SWT) , such meat is rendered impermissible regardless of the method of slaughter or whether the name of the deity other then Allah (SWT) was mentioned or not.

http://www.central-mosque.com/fiqh/kmeat1.htm

http://www.islam-qa.com/en/ref/88206/meat

“If one does not hear from a Christian or a Jew that a name other than Allah's such as that of Jesus or a saint, was mentioned at the time of slaughter, the meat he offers is halal. If, however, he says that a name other than Allah's has been mentioned, it is haram, according to the opinion of some jurists who argue that it falls under the heading of what has been dedicated to other than Allah. Some others hold the opinion that the food of the People of the Book has been permitted to us by Allah, Who is aware of what they say when slaughtering an animal.” (The Lawful and The Prohibited in Islam by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, page 60)

“...we know that imported meats, such as chicken and canned beef, originating with the People of the Book are halal for us, even though the animal may have been killed by means of electric shock or the like. As long as they consider it lawful in their religion, it is halal for us. This is the application of the above verse from Surah al-Maidah.” (Sheikh Qaradawi is referring to Quran 5:5) (The Lawful and The Prohibited in Islam by Yusuf Al-Qaradawi, page 62)

The late scholars Syed Abul A'la Maududi and Al Phahim Jobe both argue that the meat must be slaughtered in accordance with Islamic guidelines.

http://www.soundvision.com/Info/halalhealthy/maududi.asp

Umm_Adam_
05-05-11, 01:27 PM
Its So much Easier To Get halal These Days So Forget The Confusion

stick With halal HMC :up:

seven
05-05-11, 01:48 PM
MEAT AND POULTRY SLAUGHTERED BY AHLUL-KITAB
By Mufti Ebrahim Desai


Question

Why does the animal have to be slaughtered by a Muslim? Can’t we eat the meat of animals slaughtered by the people of the book (Jews and Christians)?


Answer

Allah Ta`ala says in the Noble Qurăn: 'Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitab) is also Halal for you'. (Qurăn 5:4)

Overtly the above Aayat reads that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qur’an i.e. 'One part of the Qur’an explains the other'. Therefore, this verse should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression' (Quran 6:121).

The former verse explicitly states that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitab is permissible, while the latter prohibits eating meat upon which Allah’s name has not been taken. In the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-kitab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabeeha was also Halal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen etc. is not permissible. The Ahlul-kitab of today are recognized more by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. Furthermore, they cannot be trusted anymore in matters pertaining to Halal/Haram.

Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Only if there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal will their meat be permissible. We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee should be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources.

Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market is packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organisation consisting of reliable scholars and Úlama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to
Halal/Haram of the Shariáh.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Fatwa Dept. Madrsah Inamiyah, Camperdown, South Africa
www.ask-imam.com (http://www.ask-imam.com/)


[/URL][URL]http://www.halalmc.net/resources/other_slaughter_articles/003_meat_ahlul_kitab.html (http://www.ask-imam.com/)

Macchiato
05-05-11, 02:19 PM
no you can't have a big mac, khalas

Al_Ghurabaa
05-05-11, 02:30 PM
All meat slaughtered today is slaughtered the haram way except for kosher meats. Watch the documentary "from farm to fridge" on YouTube and you will see how the kuffar treat and slaughter their animals. So I have no doubt that eating their meat is haram.

fisabilillah
05-05-11, 02:41 PM
Are times that hard and food that scarce for us to even consider that as an option? :s

seven
05-05-11, 02:59 PM
All meat slaughtered today is slaughtered the haram way except for kosher meats. Watch the documentary "from farm to fridge" on YouTube and you will see how the kuffar treat and slaughter their animals. So I have no doubt that eating their meat is haram.
even kosher meat is doubtful as they no longer take the name of Allah at the time of slaughtering

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 03:25 PM
What percentage of the non-muslim butchers in U.K follow Christianity or Judaism and what percentage regard themselves as atheists?

How do you define ahl al-kitaab in its strict interpretation and what percentage are adherents of this in the world?

i don't know, but the uk census did say that 70% of the uk population consider themselves christian

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 03:28 PM
"Zabeeha of the Ahlul-kitab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering"

this is FALSE, as during the time of the prophet saws, the christians worshiped jesus as god, we know this as it is mentioned in the Quran, and the hadiths. So even THOUGH christians blessed their meat in the name of Jesus it was still permissible to eat their food.

No where does it qualify eating the meat of christians only if they kill it in the name of Allah. There is NO daleel for this at all.

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 03:30 PM
All meat slaughtered today is slaughtered the haram way except for kosher meats. Watch the documentary "from farm to fridge" on YouTube and you will see how the kuffar treat and slaughter their animals. So I have no doubt that eating their meat is haram.

all meat slaughtered in the uk is cut by the throat and bled. No slaughterhouse in the uk allows blood to remain in the animal.

*asiya*
05-05-11, 03:52 PM
all meat slaughtered in the uk is cut by the throat and bled. No slaughterhouse in the uk allows blood to remain in the animal.

you mean hung by the legs and then cut from the throat till the stomach till the innards drop out while the cow is half alive with half its brain smashed out by a bolt gun.

educate yourself on slaughter house standard, and also read up on the islamic stance on good treatment of animals up until the time of slaughter.

the name of Allah is not mentioned at any point by any "christian" in the slaughter house even if "70% of the uk clasify themselves as "christians" , and even if you were to ignore the horrendous abuse of the animal from its birth till its slaughter, that alone is sufficent for it to not be permissible for muslims.

.mirror.
05-05-11, 04:05 PM
even kosher meat is doubtful as they no longer take the name of Allah at the time of slaughtering

What counts as taking the name of Allah, since they don't call God Allah?

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 04:08 PM
lol Asiya,
if your gonna worry about the treatement of animals, then most of what constitutes halal will be completely off the menu.
or do you think that injecting chickens with hormons so they grow so fast that their legs break is not animal cruelty. or perhaps you think raising a thousand chickens in something the size of a large bathtub where they wallow in their own feacus and live amonst their dead is also not cruel.

And please read above. Blessing in the name of ALLAh has never been a prerequisite for eating christian meat. Do you think the christians at the time of the prophet who considered Jesus the son of God, blessed their meat in the name of Allah? Do you think the Quran acknowledging that the christians where doomed for taking Jesus as God, was talking about some other christians?

let me repeat. NOT since the time of St Paul have Christians slaughtered their meat in the name of Allah, not during the 2,3, 4th century , not during the time of the prophet, and not today. yet the revelation is clear, the meat of the christians is Halal. it doesn't say the meat of the christians who slaughter in the name of Allah, because there where NONE

A hunch is not good enough Asiya

*asiya*
05-05-11, 04:18 PM
lol Asiya,
if your gonna worry about the treatement of animals, then most of what constitutes halal will be completely off the menu.
or do you think injecting chickens with hormons so they grow so fast that their legs break is no animal cruelty. or perhaps you think sticking a thousand chickens is something the size of a large bathtub so they wallow in their own feacus and live amonst the dead chickens is also not cruel.

And please read above. Blessing in the name of ALLAh has never been a prerequisite for eating christian meat. Do you think the christians at the time of the prophet who considered Jesus the son of God, blessed their meat in the name of Allah? Do you think the Quran acknowledging that the christians where doomed for taking Jesus as God, was talking about some other christians?

let me repeat. NOT since the time of St Paul have Christians slaughtered their meat in the name of Allah, not during the 2,3, 4th century , not during the time of the prophet, and not today. yet the revelation is clear, the meat of the christians is Halal. it doesn't say the meat of the christians who slaughter in the name of Allah, because there where NONE

A hunch is not good enough Asiya

which is why you take care where you get your meat from animals must be treated well in islam. ANd perhaps you havent read all of the Quran , but clearly Allah is aware that the christians do not worship Allah ta ala, and yet their meat and women are halal.

obviously have made up your mind, and have a million excuses as to why you nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise, when i see muslims coming out with things like this, it just confirm to me our deen, that shaitan has given up leading us astray in the big matters ie: shirk, and will lead us astray in the other seemingly smaller matters, like this, and Allah guides whom he wills.

enjoy your "big [haram] mac"

Excuse_me
05-05-11, 04:25 PM
Asalamu Alaykum,

May Allah reward you for having that drive to search for the right answer and seek what is halal.

Now regarding meat we know that dead meat is haram for us. It is true that meat from the People of The Book is permissible but in situations like the United States or UK where the entire population of the country isnt from the People of the Book we should be very cautious. Remember how do we expect our supplications/prayers to be answered if we're consuming haram things?

So now regarding the 70% do you know the meat distribute for mcdonalds? Do you know for sure if the person who slaughtered your meat is from the Ahlel Kitab? Sheikh Ibn Baz(rahimullah) gives in my opinion a great answer regarding this issue we face in the west. Remember if we are doubtful about something it's best to stay away from it.


Ruling on unknown meat from kaafir countries
Here in America they sell meat that is frozen and we do not know who slaughtered it or how it was slaughtered. Can we eat it?.

Praise be to Allaah.

If the region where the meat mentioned is found has only People of the Book, namely Jews and Christians, then their meat is halaal, even if it is not known how they slaughtered it, because the basic principle is that meat slaughtered by them is halaal, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them”

[al-Maa’idah 5:5].

If there are other kaafirs in the region, then do not eat it, because that means there is doubt as to whether it is halaal or haraam. Similarly if you know that those who sell these meats slaughter the animals in a way that is different from the shar’i method, such as strangling or electric shock, then do not eat it, whether the one who slaughtered it is a Muslim or a kaafir, because Allaah says:

“Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al‑Maitah (the dead animals — cattle — beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and that on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering (that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah, or has been slaughtered for idols) and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns — and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal — unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death)”

[al-Maa’idah 5:3]. End quote.

May Allaah help the Muslims to understand their religion, for He is All Hearing, Ever Near. End quote.

Majmoo’ Fataawa Ibn Baaz, 23/20

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 05:31 PM
asalamalykum

this idea that if there is something doubtful we should stay away from it. My understanding is this is not a priciple applied to provisions. My understanding is that everything in terms of provisions is Halal and permissable, UNLESS there is clear text forbidding it.
this is in contrast to matters of worship where it is the opposite. Everthing is Haram, except if there is a clear text allowing it.

so for example the quran and hadith are silent on quorn, was never known, a new food. So the prinicple is that it is Halal, unless a clear text prohibits it.

Equally if i was to to do 5 rakah for zuhr, this would be haram, as only that which is proscribed is permissiable.

This idea of leaving doubtful things when it comes to provisions is against the ethos of Islam, it is a religion made easy for us, and everything was created for the use of mankind

And so it is the exact opposite of what you say, you have to be absolute certain a polythist or an athist slaughtered western meat for it to be impermissable. The default given the majority status of christians is that it was slaughtered by christians as this is a christian country.

*asiya*
05-05-11, 05:42 PM
:wswrwb: so off to mc donalds then ?

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 05:44 PM
which is why you take care where you get your meat from animals must be treated well in islam. ANd perhaps you havent read all of the Quran , but clearly Allah is aware that the christians do not worship Allah ta ala, and yet their meat and women are halal.

obviously have made up your mind, and have a million excuses as to why you nothing anyone says will convince you otherwise, when i see muslims coming out with things like this, it just confirm to me our deen, that shaitan has given up leading us astray in the big matters ie: shirk, and will lead us astray in the other seemingly smaller matters, like this, and Allah guides whom he wills.

enjoy your "big [haram] mac"

al-Imam an-Nawawi said: “The slaughtered meats of the People of the Book are halal
whether or not they mention Allah when slaughtering due to the apparent meaning of the
verses in the Mighty Qur’an, and this is our madhhab and that of the majority.”

az-Zuhri said: “There is no problem eating the slaughtered meat of the Arab Christians,
and do not eat it if you hear them mentioning the name of other than Allah upon it. If you
do not hear this, it is permissible despite their kufr,”

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 05:45 PM
:wswrwb: so off to mc donalds then ?

i have to overcome my years of indoctrination, to summon up the courage :-)

*asiya*
05-05-11, 05:53 PM
al-Imam an-Nawawi said: “The slaughtered meats of the People of the Book are halal
whether or not they mention Allah when slaughtering due to the apparent meaning of the
verses in the Mighty Qur’an, and this is our madhhab and that of the majority.”

az-Zuhri said: “There is no problem eating the slaughtered meat of the Arab Christians,
and do not eat it if you hear them mentioning the name of other than Allah upon it. If you
do not hear this, it is permissible despite their kufr,”

but the problem is they werent slamming it in the head with a bolt gun to stun it back then, they are now and torturing an animal to death isnt permissible, as you cant be sure wether the animal is dead or not, before it is cut with the knife, for sure you can be gaurenteed that they are not mentioning either the name of Allah, nor even other than Allah ( as stated by az zuhri meaning isa alleyhi salam) in fact you cannot even be sure that a christian has slaughtered your meat at all. could be a hindu an atheist or anyone at all.

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 06:07 PM
but the problem is they werent slamming it in the head with a bolt gun to stun it back then, they are now and torturing an animal to death isnt permissible, as you cant be sure wether the animal is dead or not, before it is cut with the knife, for sure you can be gaurenteed that they are not mentioning either the name of Allah, nor even other than Allah ( as stated by az zuhri meaning isa alleyhi salam) in fact you cannot even be sure that a christian has slaughtered your meat at all. could be a hindu an atheist or anyone at all.

asiya,
millions of sheep, and cows are slaughtered every year in new zeeland. All the abbotoires use stunning. And all the abbatoirs have been approved as halal, by malayisa, saudi, uae, yemen, morocco, pakistan, egypt, and every other halal authority you can think of .

Stunning is not and has never been an issue. 99999999.9% of stunning in these abbotirs do not result in death, and the minscule percentage that does, falls under accidental, permissable, statistically negligible.

But

there is more to this issue that what has been discussed so for. And inshallah will provide the info as we go along

*asiya*
05-05-11, 06:10 PM
asiya,
millions of sheep, and cows are slaughtered every year in new zeeland. All the abbotoires use stunning. And all the abbatoirs have been approved as halal, by malayisa, saudi, uae, yemen, morocco, pakistan, egypt, and every other halal authority you can think of .

Stunning is not and has never been an issue. 99999999.9% of stunning in these abbotirs do not result in death, and the minscule percentage that does, falls under accidental, permissable, statistically negligible.

But

there is more to this issue that what has been discussed so for. And inshallah will provide the info as we go along

bro what muslims do isnt islam, if islam was based on what the ppl who call themselves muslim do then we would accept all sorts of evil audu billah.

in the uk the halal meat shops specifically state that the meat is not stunned.

Excuse_me
05-05-11, 06:19 PM
asalamalykum

this idea that if there is something doubtful we should stay away from it. My understanding is this is not a priciple applied to provisions. My understanding is that everything in terms of provisions is Halal and permissable, UNLESS there is clear text forbidding it.
this is in contrast to matters of worship where it is the opposite. Everthing is Haram, except if there is a clear text allowing it.

so for example the quran and hadith are silent on quorn, was never known, a new food. So the prinicple is that it is Halal, unless a clear text prohibits it.

Equally if i was to to do 5 rakah for zuhr, this would be haram, as only that which is proscribed is permissiable.

This idea of leaving doubtful things when it comes to provisions is against the ethos of Islam, it is a religion made easy for us, and everything was created for the use of mankind

And so it is the exact opposite of what you say, you have to be absolute certain a polythist or an athist slaughtered western meat for it to be impermissable. The default given the majority status of christians is that it was slaughtered by christians as this is a christian country.

I've heard that the principle everything is halal unless there is proof from the Quran and Sunnah saying otherwise, has exceptions. For instance when it comes to things that are ibadah then that principle doesnt work and it's actually the opposite(everything is haram until proven otherwise).

But anyways this doesnt really fit into this situation.

Brother I am not hear to give you rulings and what not. I am just passing on what the Scholars have said about this issue. At the end of the day it comes down to how much do you fear Allah and if you're willing to stay away from things that might be haram. I mean it isnt like we live in a country where there isnt halal food. I mean you live in the UK out of all places you guys have many halal food chains much better than we do here in California.

I dont know how they slaughter meat in the UK but if machines are used then I'd stay away from it. I know there are Scholars in the UK who go around to these slaughterhouses so why not see what they have said instead of trying to come up with your own rulings?

PhoenixRising
05-05-11, 06:20 PM
bro what muslims do isnt islam, if islam was based on what the ppl who call themselves muslim do then we would accept all sorts of evil audu billah.

in the uk the halal meat shops specifically state that the meat is not stunned.

Asiya, every halal butcher in the uk gets its lamb from new zeeland, and every new zeeland lamb is stunned. Every lamb curry, or kebab, you get from the the takeaway shop uses new zeeland halal stunned lamb.

*asiya*
05-05-11, 06:55 PM
Asiya, every halal butcher in the uk gets its lamb from new zeeland, and every new zeeland lamb is stunned. Every lamb curry, or kebab, you get from the the takeaway shop uses new zeeland halal stunned lamb.

*sigh* not all lamb that is served comes from new zeland. conditions for halal slaughter are :

NO STUNNING
MANUAL SLAUGHTER BY A MUSLIM - NON MECHANICAL
VERBAL RECITATION OF ALLAH’S NAME – NO BLESSED BLADES OR PRE RECORDED BISMILLAH
ENSURING THE MINIMUM AMOUNT OF VESSELS ARE SEVERED

anyone who is concerned with where the authenticity of where the meat comes from can get HMC certified meat in the uk its widely available.

Ibn Sina
05-05-11, 07:24 PM
Asiya, every halal butcher in the uk gets its lamb from new zeeland, and every new zeeland lamb is stunned. Every lamb curry, or kebab, you get from the the takeaway shop uses new zeeland halal stunned lamb.

really?

dhak1yya
05-05-11, 07:36 PM
They don't have New Zealand lamb in any of the supermarkets where I live in Saudi. All the meat is either Saudi or Brazillian. I stick to Saudi meat because some of the abbatoirs in Brazil only bother to follow the halal regulations when the Saudi inspectors come for a visit. Saudis (as in the people) don't accept stunning an acceptable part of the slaughter, in fact my students in Saudi are quite horrified to find that animals in the west are electrocuted. I have to tell them this so that when they visit the UK or USA or other places, they only buy meat from halal butchers or labelled as halal in the supermarket.

Also you can be certain that western meat was not slaughtered the halal way, because of how they run their abbatoirs. Even if they employ Christians, the Christians don't say the name of Allah when they slaughter it, though generally the whole slaughter process is mechanical and the animals are stunned.

Khalid b. Walid
05-05-11, 11:20 PM
There's plenty of halal fast food places in the UK in nearly every city and town where there is a sizeable Muslim population. So I don't see why leave what we know for certain to be halal and resort to the meat of non-Muslims. It lacks common sense.

You're not that desperate for a Big Mac are you?

AbuMubarak
06-05-11, 12:13 AM
if Allahs name has not been pronounced at the time of slaughter, its haram

very simple

mgilani
06-05-11, 02:46 AM
no you can't have a big mac, khalas

best reply!

PhoenixRising
06-05-11, 06:27 PM
if Allahs name has not been pronounced at the time of slaughter, its haram

very simple
some advice Abu Mubarak, don't make statements that are hunches, only make such statements when you have absolute certainity.

there is no valid opinon anywhere that the name of Allah has to be pronounced at the time of slaughter for al kitab

you do yourself a disfavour by writing down your hunches

PhoenixRising
06-05-11, 06:28 PM
There's plenty of halal fast food places in the UK in nearly every city and town where there is a sizeable Muslim population. So I don't see why leave what we know for certain to be halal and resort to the meat of non-Muslims. It lacks common sense.

You're not that desperate for a Big Mac are you?

how much organic halal meat is available Khalid b Walid?
and why does the quran say, eat that which is halal and TAYYIB

*asiya*
06-05-11, 06:33 PM
some advice Abu Mubarak, don't make statements that are hunches, only make such statements when you have absolute certainity.

there is no valid opinon anywhere that the name of Allah has to be pronounced at the time of slaughter for al kitab

you do yourself a disfavour by writing down your hunches



the Messenger of Allah :saw: said:

“If the killing tool causes the blood to gush out, and the name of Allah is mentioned, then eat (of the slaughtered animal), but do not use a nail (claw) or a tooth.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Allah Almighty says in surah al maida ayat 3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytatah (the dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah, or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) - and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An-Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision, (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allah and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

4. They ask you (O Muhammad ) what is lawful for them (as food ). Say: "Lawful unto you are At-Tayyibat [all kind of Halal (lawful-good) foods which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.)]. And those beasts and birds of prey which you have trained as hounds, training and teaching them (to catch) in the manner as directed to you by Allah; so eat of what they catch for you, but pronounce the Name of Allah over it, and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Swift in reckoning."

5. Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them.

7. And remember Allah's Favour upon you and His Covenant with which He bound you when you said: "We hear and we obey." And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is All-Knower of the secrets of (your) breasts.

PhoenixRising
06-05-11, 06:59 PM
the Messenger of Allah :saw: said:

“If the killing tool causes the blood to gush out, and the name of Allah is mentioned, then eat (of the slaughtered animal), but do not use a nail (claw) or a tooth.” (Sahih al-Bukhari)

Allah Almighty says in surah al maida ayat 3. Forbidden to you (for food) are: Al-Maytatah (the dead animals - cattle-beast not slaughtered), blood, the flesh of swine, and the meat of that which has been slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allah, or has been slaughtered for idols, etc., or on which Allah's Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering, and that which has been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by the goring of horns - and that which has been (partly) eaten by a wild animal - unless you are able to slaughter it (before its death) - and that which is sacrificed (slaughtered) on An-Nusub (stone altars). (Forbidden) also is to use arrows seeking luck or decision, (all) that is Fisqun (disobedience of Allah and sin). This day, those who disbelieved have given up all hope of your religion, so fear them not, but fear Me. This day, I have perfected your religion for you, completed My Favour upon you, and have chosen for you Islam as your religion. But as for him who is forced by severe hunger, with no inclination to sin (such can eat these above-mentioned meats), then surely, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

4. They ask you (O Muhammad ) what is lawful for them (as food ). Say: "Lawful unto you are At-Tayyibat [all kind of Halal (lawful-good) foods which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.)]. And those beasts and birds of prey which you have trained as hounds, training and teaching them (to catch) in the manner as directed to you by Allah; so eat of what they catch for you, but pronounce the Name of Allah over it, and fear Allah. Verily, Allah is Swift in reckoning."

5. Made lawful to you this day are At-Tayyibat [all kinds of Halal (lawful) foods, which Allah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, etc., milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits, etc.). The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals, etc.) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them.

7. And remember Allah's Favour upon you and His Covenant with which He bound you when you said: "We hear and we obey." And fear Allah. Verily, Allah is All-Knower of the secrets of (your) breasts.


lol As I said Asiya
there is no valid opinon anywhere that the name of Allah has to be pronounced at the time of slaughter for al kitab

or maybe you can point it out to me.
ps your not very good at this logical sentence structure thing are you

Abdinasir
06-05-11, 07:04 PM
If in doubt, leave it. If i dont trust a certain food, i wont eat it.

Mikha’eel
06-05-11, 07:04 PM
I wouldn't even eat a Big Mac from McDonalds even if they were halal to eat. McDonalds are evil. I also think they are on the islamic boycott list.

Also, spend your money on halal burgers at a good halal restaurant.

PhoenixRising
06-05-11, 07:10 PM
If in doubt, leave it. If i dont trust a certain food, i wont eat it.

but that goes against Islam.
Allah has created everything for mankind, all the provisons on earth, and everything is permissable except that which has a clear text prohibiting it.

So the opposite is true when it comes to food. If in doubt eat it.

Mikha’eel
06-05-11, 07:20 PM
Is there a point to why u are doing this?

PhoenixRising
06-05-11, 07:25 PM
of course, it is an entirely relevant area , that requires awareness off

the lack of understanding is quite high, and it is a very good area for our community to investigate and understand.

and personally, given i have certainity on this issue aside.

I would love the western multi million halal industry to be under pressure, because they have NOT stepped up to the mark, and they serve for want of a better word "cr*p"

AbuMubarak
06-05-11, 10:55 PM
So the opposite is true when it comes to food. If in doubt eat it.
118. So eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, if ye have faith in His signs.
119. Why should ye not eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, when He hath explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity? But many do mislead (men) by their appetites unchecked by knowledge. Thy Lord knoweth best those who transgress.



Allah is telling you not to eat food that you are unsure about, we are to check our appetites, make sure its halal, not just eat "hit in the head" meat, which is what mcdonalds is


even the scholars who say you can eat ahlu kitab meat, they say the meat must not violate islamic laws, which mcdonalds DEFINITELY does

Umm_Hanzalah
06-05-11, 11:01 PM
lol As I said Asiya
there is no valid opinon anywhere that the name of Allah has to be pronounced at the time of slaughter for al kitab

or maybe you can point it out to me.
ps your not very good at this logical sentence structure thing are you

So are you saying anyone who claims to be ahlul kitab can slaughter anyhow and it wold be halal? That's ridiculous. You can't eat meat that was slaughtered in the name of anyone except Allah..

wannest
07-05-11, 12:22 AM
come to malaysia and pop certified halal ones http://bit.ly/ieFLg0

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 01:25 AM
So are you saying anyone who claims to be ahlul kitab can slaughter anyhow and it wold be halal? That's ridiculous. You can't eat meat that was slaughtered in the name of anyone except Allah..

lol, since when have christians belived in Allah. They worship Jesus. They even worshiped Jesus at the time of the prophet Mohammed saws. Why do you think we have revelations calling them kaffir, saying Allah begets.

So why on earth would they have slaughtered the animals in the name of Allah when they worshiped Jesus?

come on think a little Umm Hanzalah

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 01:27 AM
118. So eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, if ye have faith in His signs.
119. Why should ye not eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, when He hath explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity? But many do mislead (men) by their appetites unchecked by knowledge. Thy Lord knoweth best those who transgress.



Allah is telling you not to eat food that you are unsure about, we are to check our appetites, make sure its halal, not just eat "hit in the head" meat, which is what mcdonalds is


even the scholars who say you can eat ahlu kitab meat, they say the meat must not violate islamic laws, which mcdonalds DEFINITELY does


says who, Mcdonalds in the uk uses british beef, and uk law says the animal must be stunned with a bolt and then stuck (slaughtered).

Abdinasir
07-05-11, 02:45 AM
Lol do they say "bismillah" before they slaughter the animal? I didnt think so, thats why its not halal.

AbuMubarak
07-05-11, 02:48 AM
says who, Mcdonalds in the uk uses british beef, and uk law says the animal must be stunned with a bolt and then stuck (slaughtered).
stunned with a bolt is "hit in the head" meat

IbnulQayyim
07-05-11, 03:09 AM
:salams

Source (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=6c9e8b112d79ad22538387c6139188f4)

Allah Taăla says in the Noble Qurăn: 'Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitaab) is also Halaal for you'. (Qurăn 5:4)

Overtly the above Aayat reads that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qurăn i.e. 'One part of the Qurăn explains the other'. Therefore, this verse should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression' (Quran 6:121)

While the former verse explicitly states that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible and the latter says, 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken', in the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-kitaab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitaab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabeeha was also Halaal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen, etc. is not permissible.

The Ahlul-kitaab of today are recognized by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. Furthermore, they cannot be anymore trusted in matters pertaining to Halaal/Haraam. Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Unless there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitaab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal then only will the meat be permissible.

We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halaal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources. Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market are packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organisation consisting of reliable scholars and Úlama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to Halaal/Haraam of the Shariáh.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best,
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
__________________________________________________ _____________________
What is the ruling of Kosher slaughtered meat. Can I accept the invitation of a Jew (not a Zionist) and eat the meat?

Answer:

Although kosher meat resemble halaal meat in many ways, Muslims should exercise caution as it is possible that they do not take the name of Allah before the actual slaughtering.

Furthermore, Jews regard wine as kosher; hence, it is very possible that they apply such sauces on the meat which contains wine. One should insure that no haraam ingredients have been applied on the meat.

If the Jews comply with the above two conditions, it will be permissible to eat their meat. Nevertheless, when in doubt it is better to abstain.



الفتاوى الهندية - (5 / 285رشيدية)

ثم إنما تؤكل ذبيحة الكتابي إذا لم يشهد ذبحه ولم يسمع منه شيء أو شهد وسمع منه تسمية الله تعالى وحده لأنه إذا لم يسمع منه شيء يحمل على أنه قد سمى الله تعالى تحسينا للظن به كما بالمسلم ولو سمع منه ذكر اسم الله تعالى لكنه عنى بالله عز وجل المسيح عليه السلام قالوا تؤكل إلا إذا نص فقال بسم الله الذي هو ثالث ثلاثة فلا يحل فأما إذا سمع منه أنه سمى المسيح عليه السلام وحده أو سمى الله سبحانه وسمى المسيح لا تؤكل ذبيحته ومنها التسمية حالة الذكاة عندنا أي اسم كان وسواء قرن بالاسم الصفة بأن قال الله أكبر الله أعظم الله أجل الله الرحمن الله الرحيم ونحو ذلك أو لم يقرن بأن قال الله أو الرحمن أو الرحيم أو غير ذلك



بدائع الصنائع - (5 / 46 دار الكتاب العربي(

ثم إنما تؤكل ذبيحة الكتابي إذا لم يشهد ذبحه ولم يسمع منه شيء أو سمع وشهد منه تسمية الله تعالى وحده لأنه إذا لم يسمع شيئا يحمل على أنه قد سمى الله تبارك وتعالى وجرد التسمية تحسينا للظن به كما بالمسلم

ولو سمع منه ذكر اسم الله تعالى لكنه عنى بالله عز وجل المسيح عليه السلام قالوا تؤكل لأنه أظهر تسمية هي تسمية المسلمين

إلا إذا نص فقال بسم الله الذي هو ثالث ثلاثة فلا تحل

وقد روي عن سيدنا علي رضي الله عنه أنه سئل عن ذبائح أهل الكتاب وهم يقولون ما يقولون فقال رضي الله عنه قد أحل الله ذبائحهم وهو يعلم ما يقولون فأما إذا سمع منه أنه سمى المسيح عليه الصلاة والسلام وحده أو سمى الله سبحانه وتعالى وسمى المسيح لا تؤكل ذبيحته



أحكام الذبح - (5 / 32 مكتبة جامعة دار العلوم كراتشي(

فالصحيح الراجح المؤيد بالنصوص الظاهرة أن ذبائح أهل الكتاب إنما تحل إذا راعوا جميع شروط الذبح المنصوصة في القران والسنة



And Allah knows best

Wassalam u Alaikum

Ml. Ismail Moosa,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

Source (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=7fc55586967a4e2b404d5f93835ad461)
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Also:
Can I Eat Meat Slaughtered By Jews And Christians? (http://daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-20134190)

:wswrwb:

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:58 AM
stunned with a bolt is "hit in the head" meat

As long as it ain't dead you can hit it on the head as much as you like. All the lamb from new Zealand is stunned this way , why? Because 90% of their distribution is in the gulf, and approved by every halal authority under the sun.

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 07:05 AM
:salams

Source (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=6c9e8b112d79ad22538387c6139188f4)

Allah Taăla says in the Noble Qurăn: 'Today I have made permissible for you pure things and the food of those who were given the Book (Ahlul-Kitaab) is also Halaal for you'. (Qurăn 5:4)

Overtly the above Aayat reads that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible, but the fundamental principle must be understood in order to understand the Qurăn i.e. 'One part of the Qurăn explains the other'. Therefore, this verse

should be understood in the light of another verse relating to the same matter: 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken and this (not taking Allah's name) practice is transgression' (Quran 6:121)

While the former verse explicitly states that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-Kitaab is permissible and the latter says, 'Do not eat unless Allah's name has been taken', in the light of both these verses, it is understood that the Zabeeha of the Ahlul-kitaab is permissible only if the name of Allah is taken at the time of slaughtering. The Ahlul-kitaab used to take Allah's name when slaughtering an animal, therefore, their Zabeeha was also Halaal for Muslims. It is for this same reason that an animal slaughtered by the Mushrikeen, etc. is not permissible.

The Ahlul-kitaab of today are recognized by name, less faith. There is no guarantee that they take the name of Allah/God when slaughtering an animal. Furthermore, they cannot be anymore trusted in matters pertaining to Halaal/Haraam. Since there is uncertainty in the above slaughter manner, the Jurists are unanimous that it is not permissible to consume meat which is doubtful. Unless there is certainty that the Ahlul-kitaab read the 'Tasmiyah' i.e. take the name of God when slaughtering an animal then only will the meat be permissible.

We suggest that the Muslims in the U.S.A. and U.K. slaughter the animals themselves. A committee be appointed and look into ways to facilitate for Halaal meat slaughtered by Muslims. This will make them independent from Christian/Jewish sources. Another proposition may be that the meat sold on the market are packed, sealed and stamped by a Muslim organisation consisting of reliable scholars and Úlama who have proper Islamic knowledge of the principles pertaining to Halaal/Haraam of the Shariáh.

And Allah Ta'ala Knows Best,
Mufti Ebrahim Desai
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What is the ruling of Kosher slaughtered meat. Can I accept the invitation of a Jew (not a Zionist) and eat the meat?

Answer:

Although kosher meat resemble halaal meat in many ways, Muslims should exercise caution as it is possible that they do not take the name of Allah before the actual slaughtering.

Furthermore, Jews regard wine as kosher; hence, it is very possible that they apply such sauces on the meat which contains wine. One should insure that no haraam ingredients have been applied on the meat.

If the Jews comply with the above two conditions, it will be permissible to eat their meat. Nevertheless, when in doubt it is better to abstain.



الفتاوى


الهندية - (5 / 285رشيدية)

ثم إنما تؤكل ذبيحة الكتابي إذا لم يشهد ذبحه ولم يسمع منه شيء أو شهد وسمع منه تسمية الله تعالى وحده لأنه إذا لم يسمع منه شيء يحمل على أنه قد سمى الله تعالى تحسينا للظن به كما بالمسلم ولو سمع منه ذكر اسم الله تعالى لكنه عنى بالله عز وجل المسيح عليه السلام قالوا تؤكل إلا إذا نص فقال بسم الله الذي هو ثالث ثلاثة فلا يحل فأما إذا سمع منه أنه سمى المسيح عليه السلام وحده أو سمى الله سبحانه وسمى المسيح لا تؤكل ذبيحته ومنها التسمية حالة الذكاة عندنا أي اسم كان وسواء قرن بالاسم الصفة بأن قال الله أكبر الله أعظم الله أجل الله الرحمن الله الرحيم ونحو ذلك أو لم يقرن بأن قال الله أو الرحمن أو الرحيم أو غير ذلك



بدائع الصنائع - (5 / 46 دار الكتاب العربي(

ثم إنما تؤكل ذبيحة الكتابي إذا لم يشهد ذبحه ولم يسمع منه شيء أو سمع وشهد منه تسمية الله تعالى وحده لأنه إذا لم يسمع شيئا يحمل على أنه قد سمى الله تبارك وتعالى وجرد التسمية تحسينا للظن به كما بالمسلم

ولو سمع منه ذكر اسم الله تعالى لكنه عنى بالله عز وجل المسيح عليه السلام قالوا تؤكل لأنه أظهر تسمية هي تسمية المسلمين

إلا إذا نص فقال بسم الله الذي هو ثالث ثلاثة فلا تحل

وقد روي عن سيدنا علي رضي الله عنه أنه سئل عن ذبائح أهل الكتاب وهم يقولون ما يقولون فقال رضي الله عنه قد أحل الله ذبائحهم وهو يعلم ما يقولون فأما إذا سمع منه أنه سمى المسيح عليه الصلاة والسلام وحده أو سمى الله سبحانه وتعالى وسمى المسيح لا تؤكل ذبيحته



أحكام الذبح - (5 / 32 مكتبة جامعة دار العلوم كراتشي(

فالصحيح الراجح المؤيد بالنصوص الظاهرة أن ذبائح أهل الكتاب إنما تحل إذا راعوا جميع شروط الذبح المنصوصة في القران والسنة



And Allah knows best

Wassalam u Alaikum



Ml. Ismail Moosa,
Student Darul Iftaa

Checked and Approved by:

Mufti Ebrahim Desai
Darul Iftaa, Madrassah In'aamiyyah

Source (http://askimam.org/fatwa/fatwa.php?askid=7fc55586967a4e2b404d5f93835ad461)
__________________________________________________ __________________
Also:
Can I Eat Meat Slaughtered By Jews And Christians? (http://daruliftaa.com/question.asp?txt_QuestionID=q-20134190)

:wswrwb:

so one verse of the quran explains another. So the verse I'm the quran that says what you hunt in the sea is lawful, is qualified by the verse commanding zabiyha, so we have ti actually slaughter the fish whilst saying bismillah.

Perhaps you are not aware of the malaki open that says that meat is hala even if the muslim slaughtered doesn't say bismillah

seven
07-05-11, 08:03 AM
lol As I said Asiya
there is no valid opinon anywhere that the name of Allah has to be pronounced at the time of slaughter for al kitab

or maybe you can point it out to me.
ps your not very good at this logical sentence structure thing are you
so might as well eat pork... coz since it's been slaughtered by 'ahlul kitab' it must be halal right?

Proud-2b-MUSLIM
07-05-11, 08:36 AM
On the authority of Abu 'Abdullah al-Nu'man bin Bashir, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, say:

"Truly, what is lawful is evident, and what is unlawful is evident, and in between the two are matters which are doubtful which many people do not know. He who guards against doubtful things keeps his religion and honour blameless, and he who indulges in doubtful things indulges in fact in unlawful things, just as a shepherd who pastures his flock round a preserve will soon pasture them in it. Beware, every king has a preserve, and the things Allah has declared unlawful are His preserves. Beware, in the body there is a flesh; if it is sound, the whole body is sound, and if it is corrupt, the whole body is corrupt, and behold, it is the heart."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 09:54 AM
so might as well eat pork... coz since it's been slaughtered by 'ahlul kitab' it must be halal right?

no, because forbidden animals are forbidden regardless of who slaughters them or how they are slaughtered

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 10:04 AM
On the authority of Abu 'Abdullah al-Nu'man bin Bashir, radiyallahu 'anhu, who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah, sallallahu 'alayhi wasallam, say:

"Truly, what is lawful is evident, and what is unlawful is evident, and in between the two are matters which are doubtful which many people do not know. He who guards against doubtful things keeps his religion and honour blameless, and he who indulges in doubtful things indulges in fact in unlawful things, just as a shepherd who pastures his flock round a preserve will soon pasture them in it. Beware, every king has a preserve, and the things Allah has declared unlawful are His preserves. Beware, in the body there is a flesh; if it is sound, the whole body is sound, and if it is corrupt, the whole body is corrupt, and behold, it is the heart."

[Al-Bukhari & Muslim]

The first asl (Asl, plural usual, denotes origin, source, foundation, basis, fundamental or principle. (Trans.)), or principle, established by Islam is that the things which Allah has created and the benefits derived from them are essentially for man's use, and hence are permissible. Nothing is haram except what is prohibited by a sound and explicit nas (Nas denotes either a verse of the Qur'an or a clear, authentic, and explicit sunnah (practice or saying) of Prophet Muhammad. These are the two main sources of Islamic law, i.e., its Shari'ah. (Trans.)) from the Law-Giver, Allah Subhanahu wa Ta'ala. If the nas is not sound, as for example in the case of a weak hadith, or if it is not explicit in stating the prohibition, the original principle of permissibility applies.


Allah says: It is He who created all that is in the earth for you.... (2:29) He has subjected to you, from Himself, all that is in the heavens and all that is on the earth.... (45:13) Do you not see that Allah has subjected to you whatever is in the heavens and what is on earth, and has showered upon you His favors, both apparent and unseen? (31:20)

Say: Do you see what Allah has sent down to you for sustenance? Yet you have made some part of it halal and some part haram.' (10:59)

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 10:24 AM
You who believe! Do not make forbidden the good things Allah has made lawful for you, and do not overstep the limits. Allah does not love people who overstep the limits. (Qur'an 5:87)

He has only forbidden you dead meat, and blood, and the flesh of swine, and any (food) which has been dedicated to other than Allah. But if one is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- then Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. (Qur'an 16:115)
But say not - for any false thing that your tongues may put forth,- "This is lawful, and this is forbidden," so as to ascribe false things to Allah. For those who ascribe false things to Allah, will never prosper. (Qur'an 16:116)

Say: 'have you considered the provision that Allah has sent down for you, and some you have made unlawful and some lawful? ' say: 'has Allah given you his permission, or do you forge (falsehood) against Allah? ' (Qur'an 10:59)

AbuMubarak
07-05-11, 10:41 AM
As long as it ain't dead you can hit it on the head as much as you like. All the lamb from new Zealand is stunned this way , why? Because 90% of their distribution is in the gulf, and approved by every halal authority under the sun.
stunned is not halal

slicing the throat with a sharp knife is what we have been commanded

i dont particularly care what "others" do, i care what Allah has commanded and what the sunnah has displayed

you, on the other hand, are busy trying to look for justifications for eating haram meat, by trying to make it halal

i would rather err on the side of caution than ingest what may be harmful for my ibada

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 11:01 AM
There is NOTHING haram about stunning - according to the vast majority of halal certifies throughout the world.

Regarding your ACCUSATION that i am looking for justification to eat haram meat, Astagfallah, and p.s thanks for the credits on yawm al kiyamah.


the food of the people of the book is halal, and everything is permissable unless there is a clear text prohibiting it.

This ridiculous idea that food from the people of the book is only permissable if it is slaughtered and blessed in exactly the same way as Muslims is absurd.

These are people Allah has called mushrik , destined for the hell fire, transgressors, commitors of shirk

AbuMubarak
07-05-11, 11:05 AM
There is NOTHING haram about stunning - according to the vast majority of halal certifies throughout the world.

Regarding your ACCUSATION that i am looking for justification to eat haram meat, Astagfallah, and p.s thanks for the credits on yawm al kiyamah.


the food of the people of the book is halal, and everything is permissable unless there is a clear text prohibiting it.

This ridiculous idea that food from the people of the book is only permissable if it is slaughtered and blessed in exactly the same way as Muslims is absurd.

These are people Allah has called mushrik , destined for the hell fire, transgressors, commitors of shirk

Conditions of eating meat slaughtered by the Jews and Christians
I know that it is essential to say the name of Allaah when slaughtering animals that are to be eaten, and that it is not permissible to eat from that over which the name of Allaah has not been mentioned, but sometimes a Muslim has to travel to a non-Muslim country and stay there for several years, for work or study. Should he refrain from eating meat completely for this length of time or in this case is he regarded as compelled by necessity to eat meat or is it sufficient to say the name of Allaah at the time of eating?.

Praise be to Allaah. Firstly:
Saying the name of Allaah is a condition of meat being halaal, and it is not excused by forgetting or not knowing, according to the most correct scholarly opinion. See the answer to question no. 85669 (http://islamqa.com/index.php?ln=eng&QR=85669) (Saying Bismillaah in order to meat to be halaal)?
Secondly:
Meat slaughtered by one of the people of the Book (a Jew or a Christian) is permissible subject to two conditions:
1 – That the meat be slaughtered as a Muslim does it, but cutting the throat and oesophagus and letting the blood flow. If the animal is killed by strangling or electric shock or drowning in water, its meat is not permissible. Similarly, if a Muslim does that, the meat is not permissible.
2 – No name other than that of Allaah should be mentioned over it, such as the name of the Messiah etc, because Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal)”
[al-An’aam 6:121]
And He says concerning haraam things (interpretation of the meaning):
“He has forbidden you only the Maytah (dead animals), and blood, and the flesh of swine, and that which is slaughtered as a sacrifice for others than Allaah (or has been slaughtered for idols, on which Allaah’s Name has not been mentioned while slaughtering)”
[al-Baqarah 2:173]
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
What is meant here is that over which a name other than that of Allaah is mentioned at the time of slaughter, such as saying “in the name of the Messiah” or “in the name of Muhammad” or “in the name of Jibreel” or “in the name of al-Laat” and so on. End quote from Tafseer Soorat al-Baqarah.
The prohibition also applies to that which is offered as a sacrifice to the Messiah or to al-Zahrah, even if they did not mention a name other than that of Allaah over it. It is also haraam.
Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: As for that which is slaughtered by the people of the Book for their festivals and as an act of worship to draw closer to someone other than Allaah, as the Muslims offer their sacrifices to draw closer to Allaah thereby, such as what they slaughter for the Messiah and al-Zahrah, there are two reports narrated from Ahmad concerning that, the most well known of which in his texts is that it is not permissible to eat it, even if the name of someone other than Allaah has not been mentioned over it. The prohibition on doing that was narrated from ‘Aa’ishah and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Umar. End quote from Iqtida’ al-Siraat al-Mustaqeem (1/251).
Thirdly:
If a Muslim or a kitaabi (Jew or Christian) slaughters an animal for meat, and it is not known whether he mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not, it is permissible to eat from it, and the one who eats it should say the name of Allaah, because of the report that was narrated by al-Bukhaari (2057) from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her), that some people said: O Messenger of Allaah, some people bring meat to us, and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Mention the name of Allaah over it and eat.”
Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) said: It is not essential to ask about that which was slaughtered by a Muslim or a kitaabi, and how it was slaughtered, and whether the name of Allaah was mentioned over it or not. Rather that should not be done, because that is being obstinate in religious matters. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) ate meat slaughtered by the Jews and did not ask questions. In Saheeh al-Bukhaari and elsewhere it is narrated from ‘Aa’ishah (may Allaah be pleased with her) that some people said to the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him): Some people bring meat to us, and we do not know whether they mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not. The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Mention the name of Allaah over it and eat.” She said: They were new in Islam, and the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) told them to eat without asking, even though those who brought the meat to them may not have been aware of the rulings of Islam because they were new in Islam. End quote from Risaalah fi Ahkaam al-Udhiyah wa’l-Dhakaah by Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him).
Fourthly:
Based on the above, whoever travels to a non-Muslim country where most of those who slaughter meat are Christians or Jews, it is permissible for him to eat their meat, unless he knows that they stun the animals or mention over them the name of someone other than Allaah, as stated above.
But if the slaughterman is an idol-worshipper or communist, it is not permissible to eat meat slaughtered by him.
If the meat is haraam, it is not permissible to eat from it on the grounds of necessity, so long as a person can find food to keep him alive, such as fish, vegetables and so on.
Shaykh ‘Abd al-Rahmaan al-Barraak (may Allaah preserve him) said: “The meats available in kaafir countries are of various types. As for fish, it is halaal in all cases, because its being halaal does not depend on the way in which it is slaughtered or on the name of Allaah being mentioned over it.
With regard to other types of meat, if the companies or individuals who produce meat are people of the Book, Jews or Christians, and it is not known from them that they kill the animal by electric shock, strangling or striking it on the head, as is well known in the west, then this meat is halaal. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Made lawful to you this day are At‑Tayyibaat [all kinds of Halaal (lawful) foods, which Allaah has made lawful (meat of slaughtered eatable animals, milk products, fats, vegetables and fruits)]. The food (slaughtered cattle, eatable animals) of the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians) is lawful to you and yours is lawful to them”
[al-Maa’idah 5:5]
But if they kill the animal by one of the methods mentioned, then the meat is haraam, because in that case it is meat that has been strangled or killed by a blow. If those who produce the meat are not Jews or Christians, then the meat that they offer is haraam. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
“Eat not (O believers) of that (meat) on which Allaah’s Name has not been pronounced (at the time of the slaughtering of the animal), for sure it is Fisq (a sin and disobedience of Allaah)”
[al-An’aam 6:121]
The Muslim should strive to avoid that which is clearly haraam and be cautious of doubtful matters so as to preserve his religious commitment and to keep his body safe from being nourished with haraam things. End quote.
And Allaah knows best.


Islam Q&A

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 11:12 AM
Copying and pasting is a diservice to yourself mubarak, you will only have certainty when you go through the arguments yourself.

But from the quote you gave.
"If a Muslim or a kitaabi (Jew or Christian) slaughters an animal for meat, and it is not known whether he mentioned the name of Allaah over it or not, it is permissible to eat from it"

But if they kill the animal by one of the methods mentioned, then the meat is haraam, because in that case it is meat that has been strangled or killed by a blow

aadil77
07-05-11, 11:16 AM
Bro I think you're craving a big mac which is why you're looking into these different fatwas

well let me tell you even if your consider mcdonalds meat as halal as it is from 'ahle kitaab' it would still be haram to eat from there, let me burst your bubble: almost everything in mcdonalds becomes contaminated with pork or bacon greese, in the morning they cook pork sausage on the same grills that they cook the 'halal' beef, when they handle bacon and sausage they do not wash there hands before handling other meats including fish and vegetarian products

how do I know this: I used to work there for almost a year or more astagfirullah

khalaas, you cannot trust the food from non-muslim restuarents - end of

AbuMubarak
07-05-11, 12:30 PM
plus, those animals are mistreated, abused and tortured, thus making them haram also

alarmbells
07-05-11, 01:35 PM
plus, those animals are mistreated, abused and tortured, thus making them haram also

A lot of poultry sold as halal comes from battery farming where chickens are treated in a disgusting way - would this also be haram then?

Khalid b. Walid
07-05-11, 01:51 PM
how much organic halal meat is available Khalid b Walid?
and why does the quran say, eat that which is halal and TAYYIB

You misunderstood my point.

Why leave those restaurants which we know to be HALAL (i.e. have HALAL stamps on them) and go to those restaurants that do not have this HALAL label?

The government has not yet banned halal meat that we need to have this discussion. There's halal food places in most cities and towns in the UK so finding halal food shouldn't be a problem that we need to even think eating from places like Mcdonalds or KFC. A lot of these places are owned by Muslims and even non-Muslim food chains are offering halal food such as Nandos and Subway.

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 02:02 PM
You misunderstood my point.

Why leave those restaurants which we know to be HALAL (i.e. have HALAL stamps on them) and go to those restaurants that do not have this HALAL label?

The government has not yet banned halal meat that we need to have this discussion. There's halal food places in most cities and towns in the UK so finding halal food shouldn't be a problem that we need to even think eating from places like Mcdonalds or KFC. A lot of these places are owned by Muslims and even non-Muslim food chains are offering halal food such as Nandos and Subway.

You asked me a question. Why go to those restaurant that are non halal, when there are halal restaurants.

My answer is that all the meat that is in the halal restaurants is "cra*". All of them use hydrogonized oil, all of them use poultry that is injected with hormones and everything else to plump them up.
The standard of halal meat is attrocious not fit for an animal.

whereas the kuffar, the fasiks, mushrikeen, people who commit shirk in their worship of jesus, actually have food outlets where the meat is pure and tayyib.

its no longer a case of zabiyah vs halal
its a case of zabiyah + inpure trash vs halal + tayyib.

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 02:03 PM
A lot of poultry sold as halal comes from battery farming where chickens are treated in a disgusting way - would this also be haram then?

your mistaken.
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the poultry sold in the uk as halal comes from battery farms, where the chickens are pumped full of hormones so they go fat and grew quickly, and live in absolute squalor.

with the exception of one or two innovative farms run by some muslims

Khalid b. Walid
07-05-11, 02:08 PM
You asked me a question. Why go to those restaurant that are non halal, when there are halal restaurants.

My answer is that all the meat that is in the halal restaurants is "cra*". All of them use hydrogonized oil, all of them use poultry that is injected with hormones and everything else to plump them up.
The standard of halal meat is attrocious not fit for an animal.

whereas the kuffar, the fasiks, mushrikeen, people who commit shirk in their worship of jesus, actually have food outlets where the meat is pure and tayyib.

its no longer a case of zabiyah vs halal
its a case of zabiyah + inpure trash vs halal + tayyib.

At the end of the day, regardless of whether you view the meat as crap or good, is whether it is lawful or unlawful for us Muslims to eat.

The fact is that eating from these places like Mcdonalds isn't allowed.

alarmbells
07-05-11, 02:20 PM
your mistaken.
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the poultry sold in the uk as halal comes from battery farms, where the chickens are pumped full of hormones so they go fat and grew quickly, and live in absolute squalor.

with the exception of one or two innovative farms run by some muslims

I under exaggerated...

Anyway, if the treatment of the animal is part of what makes it halal or not then surely we have a massive problem here in the UK concerning our food. Or does cruel treatment not really render an animal haram? Is there any fatwa on this?

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 02:22 PM
the fact is that it is
according to the rulings


Think about it this way khalid bin walid


Quran - Permissable to you is the food of the people of the book
Muslims - Thanks, but that was then, not applicable now

so why was it applicable then and not now?

Q) was it because christians where real christians then and aren't today?
Q) was it because the way they slaughtered it then is different than today?
Q) was it because christian countries where different then than they are today?

and for the answers all you need to do is look at what Allah says about the people of the book, as revealed during the 6th/7th century.
They where fasiks, mushraks, liars, committing shirk, destined for hellfire, abominations that says god begot, and every other lamitable name you could throw out them.

are they worse today? Nope exactly the same

did these fasiks, mushriks, liars, committers of shirk, people destined for the hell fire, slaughter the meat the way the muslims did? Not likely

And as for the societies
they where no different, they where full of roman pagans, magians, shamans, atheists, polytheists and every other dregs of society, just as they are today.

so whats different?

Khalid b. Walid
07-05-11, 02:29 PM
the fact is that it is
according to the rulings


Think about it this way khalid bin walid


Quran - Permissable to you is the food of the people of the book
Muslims - Thanks, but that was then, not applicable now

so why was it applicable then and not now?

Q) was it because christians where real christians then and aren't today?
Q) was it because the way they slaughtered it then is different than today?
Q) was it because christian countries where different then than they are today?

and for the answers all you need to do is look at what Allah says about the people of the book, as revealed during the 6th/7th century.
They where fasiks, mushraks, liars, committing shirk, destined for hellfire, abominations that says god begot, and every other lamitable name you could throw out them.

are they worse today? Nope exactly the same

did these fasiks, mushriks, liars, committers of shirk, people destined for the hell fire, slaughter the meat the way the muslims did? Not likely

And as for the societies
they where no different, they where full of roman pagans, magians, shamans, atheists, polytheists and every other dregs of society, just as they are today.

so whats different?

You are putting words into people's mouths by saying people are saying verses of the Quran are no longer applicable now.

Eating the meat of Ahle-Kitaab is permissable but under the right conditions. The way the kuffar slaughter the meat today is very different to how they did it in the past.

Khalid b. Walid
07-05-11, 02:43 PM
The following is taken from 'The Ruling on Meat Slaughtered in the West' (http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/the-ruling-on-meat-slaughtered-in-the-west.pdf)by Sheikh Abdullah Azzam.

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Chapter 8: The Ruling on Meat Slaughtered in the West

If we have any doubt in the slaughterer or the method used to slaughter the meat, it is considered haram. This is the case with the Western countries, Communist and Christian.

So, it is haram to eat the slaughtered meats of the Communist countries for a number of reasons:




They have a considerable number of atheists due to the Communist belief, and these are mixed in with the general population who are Christian in origin. So, we don’t know who slaughters, and even the non-Communist generally believes in no religion.


There are methods of slaughter used that oppose the Islamic method, such as strangulation or drowning of birds, and such methods are mixed in with methods that are in accordance with the Shar’i one.


They openly declare war on religion as a whole, and some countries – such as Bulgaria – forbid that the Muslims name their children with Muslim names, and they do not allow them to attend school unless they adopt the names of the disbelievers.180 In fact, they do not even provide them with birth certificates if they have Muslim names. So, it would be even more expected that they would not allow the Muslims to slaughter by the Islamic method.


So, there is uncertainty regarding their meats, whether that is of the method of slaughter or the slaughterer himself, and this makes these slaughtered meats forbidden.


As for the Western Christian countries, the slaughtered meats in them are haram for a number of reasons:




There is a significant presence (not less than a third) of people who do not believe in religion at all. Such people’s slaughtered meats are not allowed, and they are mixed in with the rest of the population. So, the Existentialist, the Communist, the atheist – even if they are descended from Christians – are disbelievers who are not from the category of the People of the Book, as Ibn ‘Abbas said:181 “The slaughtered meats of the Jews and Christians are allowed because they believe in the Torah and the Gospel.” And the percentage of atheists reaches half in some of these countries, and even if only a fourth of the population182 was atheist and their slaughtered meats were mixed with those of others, this would be enough to make all of these meats forbidden.


There is a use of non-Shar’i methods of slaughtering, especially with birds. It is established that a significant portion of slaughterhouses strangle them, stun them by electric shock, and then drown them in scalding water to kill them. I personally saw dead birds being sold in Europe with their heads and necks untouched. Some brothers and I inspected them and looked at their heads and necks, and found no sign of any cut having been made.


There is also the method of severing its spinal column. As for sheep, they use a steel bolt to cut its spinal cord, and this causes it to die. They also use bullets to kill bulls by firing them into their heads, and they slaughter them immediately afterwards, as the bull usually doesn’t die from the bullet, as its main purpose is to stun the bull and prevent it from resisting during slaughter. However, if they delay slaughtering it, it dies from the bullet.


There is also the method of striking it on the forehead with a hammer to kill it. In any case, even if 90% of the methods used were in accordance with the Shari’ah and only 10% of them conflicted with it, 100% of the meats would be forbidden due to the mixing of these meats with that.183


The Catholic Church permits the consumption of the meat of animals killed by strangulation or violent blows.


Salih ‘Ali al-‘Ud, who lives in France, said:184 “I asked Father Hubuz about the methods utilized in the slaughterhouses of Paris and Europe to kill animals, and he replied: “You know that these slaughterhouses are run by the government, and they do not abide by divine law.” I then asked him about the texts that forbid carcasses and blood, and he said: “They are in the Old and New Testaments. However, the Church has ruled against abiding by them.””


It is not allowed to eat the meat slaughtered by one who is drunk, and a good portion of them drink alcohol.


Based on the principle that what can be assumed from the current reality takes precedence over what would be assumed from the original reality,186 the original reality is that they were People of the Book, and the current reality contradicts this. When Islam allowed for us to eat the meats of the Christians, this was because they slaughtered like the Muslims did, and they believed in ‘Isa and their religion, and the condition was placed that it not be heard that they slaughter for anyone other than Allah. Today, this is no longer the case.187 Their method of slaughtering sometimes goes against that of the Islamic one, and a significant portion of them do not even believe in their religion. In Chicago, there were two magazines that spent six months debating as to whether ‘Isa actually existed or was an imaginary personality!


As for the Jews – may Allah’s curse be upon them – they still slaughter according to their traditions and religion, and the rabbi goes to the slaughterhouse and slaughters a large number of animals in a single day. When the meat is ready to be packaged, they write ‘Kosher (K)’ on the outside. If they fly on an airplane, they ask the airline to provide them with food that is prepared in accordance with the Jewish method of slaughter and is free of pork, and the airline writes ‘K. Meal’ on the side of the package. If only the Muslims had zeal for their religion and purchased Islamic meals! In any case, the slaughtered meats of the Jews are allowed in the Islamic Shari’ah until today.


The Reality of Slaughterhouses in the West:

These slaughterhouses vary in the methods they use in slaughtering. Some of them comply with the conditions of the Shari’ah, while some of them contradict them. From these methods:



An inch-long steel bolt is shot by gun into the forehead of the animal,188 and it dies and is skinned without being cut with a knife or slaughtered in any way, as was personally witnessed by brother Salih ‘Ud, a Tunisian brother, in two slaughterhouses in the outskirts of Paris.


Salih said: “As for the chickens, they hit it with an electric current at the tip of its tongue, and this kills it. It is then dragged on the conveyor belt to have its feathers plucked.”


The magazine ‘al-Mujtama’’189 published a great study conducted by ‘Abdullah bin ‘Ali al-Ghasini in al-Qasim, Buraydah, accompanied by pictures of chicken processing plants that slaughter and process their meat, and he concluded:







a. A truck transports the chickens from the farm, and some of them die on the way there.

b. The chicken is hung from the ceiling by its legs, and it is then hooked to a conveyor belt, and is then moved and slaughtered by a machine upon which is inscribed ‘Slaughtered by Stunning.’ It is then moved onto a large vat upon which is written ‘Very Hot,’ and this is filled with water and steam, and the poor chicken is then dunked into this vat to breathe its last, and all of this is written in the catalog of the processing plant.




4. The magazine ‘al-Mujtama’’190 published an appeal from the Muslim Youth Association in Denmark in which they said that many of the slaughtering methods used are not in accordance with the Shari’ah.

5. The International High Assembly for Mosques issued an advice191 during its fourth seminar in Makkah to prevent the import of meat slaughtered outside the Kingdom.

6. The scholar ‘Abd al-‘Aziz al-Binani, sent by the Muslim World League to Brazil, found that the animals there were killed by violent blows, specifically using an iron hammer to the forehead.192

7. Dr. Mahmud at-Tabba’ visited Hanover, Germany with some Muslim brothers, and they saw that the cattle there were killed by being shot in the head.

8. The noble scholar ‘Umar al-Ashqar told me: “I saw with my own eyes birds prepared to be eaten, and I saw that their heads and necks had no signs of cutting or slaughter.”

And he said: “A carton of chicken was sent to Kuwait that had ‘Slaughtered Islamically’ written on it. I opened it to find that their heads and necks were left untouched.”

He also said: “We spoke about this issue a lot in the ‘Mujtama’’ magazine, and the Kuwaiti government formed a council to tour Western slaughterhouses. So, this group went, and said upon its return: “After our tour of many slaughterhouses in the West, we saw that the number of them that slaughter in accordance with the Islamic method is not more than 30%.” In other words, less than a third are in accordance with the Shari’ah, and the Kuwaiti press reported this.


And after this, can it be said that it is permissible to eat the meat of animals and birds slaughtered in the West?!

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[The Sheikh then writes a section Certificates Claiming the Islamic Method of Slaughter]

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Based on all of this, the meats that are slaughtered in the West – both the Communist and Capitalist countries – are haram, and this is the default ruling, and Allah Knows best. So, the Muslims should be aware of what their religion states about this, and they should ask themselves what they are eating. In the authentic hadith, the Prophet (peace be upon him) said: “Whoever guarantees for me the protection of what is between his cheeks (what he speaks from his tongue and what he eats with his mouth) and what is between his legs (from illegal sex), I will guarantee Paradise for him.” 193

yassin'
07-05-11, 02:53 PM
your mistaken.
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL the poultry sold in the uk as halal comes from battery farms, where the chickens are pumped full of hormones so they go fat and grew quickly, and live in absolute squalor.

with the exception of one or two innovative farms run by some muslims

This is complete nonsense for a start.

There are a number of Muslim organic farms, i know one particular butcher who has his own farm and he oversees the slaughter of the animals himself - he is not HMC - he is even better, he is 100% organic.

So these generalisations do not help your "case for Mc'donalds".

Also brother since when do we make our own fatwas based on 1 ayat from the Quran ?

The issue of Halal and Haram foods is a entire body of Islamic Law.

I have heard about a number of jahil arab brothers in London who openly eat haram meat - purchased from a non-muslim butcher - and read "bismillah" and eat it, they take 1 verse of the Quran (which mentions that the name of Allah (swt) be mentioned on slaughtered meat) and give it their own interpretation.

Trust us on this one Phoenix, when it comes to Mc'Donalds... a Jew would not eat there.

AbuMubarak
07-05-11, 03:30 PM
A lot of poultry sold as halal comes from battery farming where chickens are treated in a disgusting way - would this also be haram then?
here we go with mixing applications of the sharia

on one hand, you want to include every meat killed in kafir lands as halal, and not question it, but merely saying bismillah

now on the other hand, you want to cast doubt upon the muslims, and NOT eat their meat, or consider it the same as kafir meat

if i go into a halal butcher, and he does not sell any haram meat, i accept his meat as halal, he may be serving pork and calling it chicken, but that is not on me, thats on him, so if a muslim tells me its halal, i will accept that, UNLESS i find out differently, then i will not eat there at all

alarmbells
07-05-11, 04:04 PM
here we go with mixing applications of the sharia

on one hand, you want to include every meat killed in kafir lands as halal, and not question it, but merely saying bismillah

now on the other hand, you want to cast doubt upon the muslims, and NOT eat their meat, or consider it the same as kafir meat

if i go into a halal butcher, and he does not sell any haram meat, i accept his meat as halal, he may be serving pork and calling it chicken, but that is not on me, thats on him, so if a muslim tells me its halal, i will accept that, UNLESS i find out differently, then i will not eat there at all

I think you've mixed me up with someone else. My point was on the single issue that you raised, that being:


plus, those animals are mistreated, abused and tortured, thus making them haram also

I just wanted to know if animal mistreatment would cause an animal to become haram even if the slaughter was conducted in the proper Islamic manner by a Muslim.

I wasn't commenting on the permisibility of consuming a mcd's frankenburger or whatever.

IbnulQayyim
07-05-11, 04:20 PM
so one verse of the quran explains another. So the verse I'm the quran that says what you hunt in the sea is lawful, is qualified by the verse commanding zabiyha, so we have ti actually slaughter the fish whilst saying bismillah.

Perhaps you are not aware of the malaki open that says that meat is hala even if the muslim slaughtered doesn't say bismillah

If you want clarification then go to the 'Ulamaa. We have posted the rulings. If you need further clarification, go to the 'Ulamaa.

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:27 PM
If you want clarification then go to the 'Ulamaa. We have posted the rulings. If you need further clarification, go to the 'Ulamaa.

yes the ulamaa say it is permissable, jazakallah for that

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:35 PM
for khalid bin walid,
i am familar with the book you mentioned, but the author has made some errors that change the whole equation.

He suggests that there are two exceptions for the general permissibility , meat and sexual relations.

and in order to back that claim up, he uses the example of hadith telling us to leave a hunted animal if there is a chance it is carrion (died in water) or that a different dog than the one sent, could have killed it, or that your particaluar arrow misses.

and part of that line is reasoning is the dismisall of the hadith regarding ayshe asking about the permissibility of eating meat if the slauther was unknown

He dismess it as being applicable to only muslims, i.e give them the benefit of the doubt.

HOWEVER the correct lesson to be drawn is to give the benefit of the doubt to whoever is QUALIFIED to make that slaughter, i.e Christians, Jews and Muslims.

Which changes the whole scenario of general permissibility.


see khalid bin Walid, there is NO BENEFIT in copying in pasting unless you have understood the points made, and are able to challenge the validity of the points made and not take them as gospel.

This is VERY important in developing surity of conviction on a specific topic

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:37 PM
This is complete nonsense for a start.

There are a number of Muslim organic farms, i know one particular butcher who has his own farm and he oversees the slaughter of the animals himself - he is not HMC - he is even better, he is 100% organic.

So these generalisations do not help your "case for Mc'donalds".

Also brother since when do we make our own fatwas based on 1 ayat from the Quran ?

The issue of Halal and Haram foods is a entire body of Islamic Law.

I have heard about a number of jahil arab brothers in London who openly eat haram meat - purchased from a non-muslim butcher - and read "bismillah" and eat it, they take 1 verse of the Quran (which mentions that the name of Allah (swt) be mentioned on slaughtered meat) and give it their own interpretation.

Trust us on this one Phoenix, when it comes to Mc'Donalds... a Jew would not eat there.

But a christian would.
and these Jahil Arabs (presumably they are jahil because they dont follow the rulings you accept) would take their rulings (with all the fiqh involved ) from the likes of Uthmaaan etc.

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:40 PM
here we go with mixing applications of the sharia

on one hand, you want to include every meat killed in kafir lands as halal, and not question it, but merely saying bismillah

now on the other hand, you want to cast doubt upon the muslims, and NOT eat their meat, or consider it the same as kafir meat

if i go into a halal butcher, and he does not sell any haram meat, i accept his meat as halal, he may be serving pork and calling it chicken, but that is not on me, thats on him, so if a muslim tells me its halal, i will accept that, UNLESS i find out differently, then i will not eat there at all



so if a muslim (astaghallah) serves you a pigs head and tells you its a lambs head, will you still give him the benefit of the doubt? You know the industry, you KNOW how the chickens are raised, and injected with steroids. YOU KNOW THIS WITH CERTAINITY

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 06:42 PM
You are putting words into people's mouths by saying people are saying verses of the Quran are no longer applicable now.

Eating the meat of Ahle-Kitaab is permissable but under the right conditions. The way the kuffar slaughter the meat today is very different to how they did it in the past.


so how the mushrik, shirk, fasik, liars, condemned to burn in Hell , worship the messiah as the son of god, Christians slaughter their meat Khalid?

aBu_aGinEgp
07-05-11, 06:49 PM
give it a break guys. accept the difference of opinion on the matter, accept the fact people of knowledge hold both views. both with the correct intention are fine. whose who wana eat, eat, those who do not, don't. both have valid evidences and opinions.

Ps. I had a Big mac followed by a mac chicken yesteday [in egypt]lol tastes very nice.

IbnulQayyim
07-05-11, 07:01 PM
yes the ulamaa say it is permissable, jazakallah for that

so you are going to eat the meat of the so-called ahl al-kitaab down the street?

PhoenixRising
07-05-11, 07:02 PM
lol, although i have certainty in my belief of the ruling, still havent plucked up the courage to do anything about

Umm_Adam_
10-09-11, 09:35 PM
:salams


I Was Told That Eating Mc Donalds Chicken Is Halal?

~Malaika~
10-09-11, 09:38 PM
Ugh the link won't show up.. Just google Chicken McHalal: McDonald's denied using halal meat... now it admits meat IS in one of its most popular meals. It's the DailyMail article.

.mirror.
10-09-11, 09:54 PM
:salams


I Was Told That Eating Mc Donalds Chicken Is Halal?

:wswrwb:

Informant has departed counterfactual intel.

abu_fulan_fulan
10-09-11, 10:02 PM
wa alaykumus salaam,

no it is not.

This comes from certain people who asked certain salafi sheikhs and certain sufi sheikhs in saudi and morocco if they could eat the food here as the people are ahlul kitab and these scholars said yes, not knowing anything about the situation.

The permission to eat food of the ahlul kitab is not total, i.e we cannot eat pork or pork contaminated products, only food slaughtered correctly according to kosher slaughter methods and their equivlent over 1000 years ago when the christians stopped slaughtering correctly.

So the animal is meant to killed by cutting and bleeding, not electricution or blungeoning which is the norm in the uk with the blood left in the body to add weight (and therefore price).

Which is where we come to a serious problem...

McDonalds and other such places do cook pork in the same environment as the rest of the meat, and the meat doesn't not come from slaughter houses that slaughter according to the methods given to the jews and the christians, so how it is possible mcdonalds is halal?

This is nothing like the meat of ahlul kitab as these scholars read about in books or maybe see in some of the muslim countries, this is a totally different situation.

ibn Nasroon
10-09-11, 10:20 PM
To put it simply, the answer is no.

.: Anna :.
10-09-11, 10:40 PM
they did some trials of halal chicken in some branches before, eg southall but meanwhile they kept the rest of their meat as normal so whether it was okay or not, dunno really, but anyway i dont think they still have the 'halal chicken' at all nowadays?

abu_fulan_fulan
10-09-11, 11:02 PM
apart from anything else, this is mcdonalds... mc "we've been caught putting animal fat in our fries three times" donalds for those going the fillet of fish option.

Once, ok they admitted they did it, sorry never do it again.

But if then they did it again, sorry, our mistake... blah blah blah... sorry and all that.

Finally 3rd time. This time they did the same thing a couple of years later in india with beef fat of all things, needless to say the hindus went mental.


If anyone eats from mcdonalds knowing what lying crooks they are and think its halal, trusting them. They are fools and deserve to eat haram food and invalidate their salaah.

Umm_Adam_
11-09-11, 11:03 AM
I Thought So I Mean I Wouldnt Eat It But I Was Shocked To Hear This :eek:

Peacenik
11-09-11, 11:09 AM
Why would someone eat meat from a non-Muslim outlet ?

Umm_Adam_
11-09-11, 11:11 AM
Why would someone eat meat from a non-Muslim outlet ?

Tasty ? I Dunno ?

I Wouldnt

.mirror.
11-09-11, 04:46 PM
Why would someone eat meat from a non-Muslim outlet ?

I've seen people make poor excuses like "Just say Bismillah before you eat." What's sad is that Muslims knowingly eat haram food, while they can easily get something halal next door.

Muslim First
11-09-11, 04:53 PM
I just get their sundaes and mcflurrys!! they taste great :)

ahaneefah
11-09-11, 05:07 PM
You should read Sheikh Abdullah Azzam's book on 'Meat Slaughtered in the West':

http://www.kalamullah.com/Books/the-ruling-on-meat-slaughtered-in-the-west.pdf




From the introduction:

"...This issue has long been something that has preoccupied me, and I dedicated a lot of thought to it because I face it as a necessary part of life during my travels. During my visits to the West, and when I am being served meals on planes or in restaurants in Europe or America, I would find that I was very hesitant to eat the food, and I wanted very much to search for halāl food and find that pure bite to eat in order to protect any part of my flesh from being nourished on harām, as the Fire is more deserving of every bit of flesh nourished on the harām...

...I went back to the texts of the Qur’ān, Sunnah, explanations of the books of the Sunnah, and the books of Fiqh in order to settle on a conclusion regarding this issue. Here, I present my efforts. If it is incorrect, it is from me and Satan. If it is correct, it is from Allāh, and I hope from Allāh that He rewards me for what I wrote and Forgives me my mistakes if I was mistaken or ignorant in something..."


The slave in need of his Lord,
‘Abdullāh ‘Azzām

Listener_x
11-09-11, 05:23 PM
"Apparently" a few places in the UK use halal meat but don't advertise the fact. I heard Pizza Hut's chicken is halal too, but I'd rather stick to Muslim owned places where everything is halal.

*hijab*
11-09-11, 05:34 PM
:wswrwb:

best to avoid places like mcdonalds.

uncle umar
11-09-11, 05:59 PM
ur trying to save up remember sono mcdonalds for u!

Al-Mujaahidah
11-09-11, 06:04 PM
I just get their sundaes and mcflurrys!! they taste great :)

ok u makin m hungry

the meat is not halal

loonietoonie
11-09-11, 06:19 PM
:wswrwb:

Informant has departed counterfactual intel.


I think you mean imparted. Departed means to be gone, dead. :o

abu_fulan_fulan
11-09-11, 06:25 PM
I just get their sundaes and mcflurrys!! they taste great :)

and you trust them not to add haram ingredients?

.mirror.
11-09-11, 06:28 PM
I think you mean imparted. Departed means to be gone, dead. :o

Oh? :smack:

kostageas
11-09-11, 06:37 PM
It's halal as long as you don't eat the bacon. But you gotta remember that McDonald's supports Israel. That practically makes it haram.

.mirror.
11-09-11, 06:37 PM
It's halal as long as you don't eat the bacon. But you gotta remember that McDonald's supports Israel. That practically makes it haram.

Chicken is halal?

kostageas
11-09-11, 06:43 PM
Chicken is halal?

Yeah. It's not slaughtered in the name of a false God, so as long as you say Bismillah over it, then it's halal, right? That's how I learned it anyway . . . .

.mirror.
11-09-11, 06:46 PM
Yeah. It's not slaughtered in the name of a false God, so as long as you say Bismillah over it, then it's halal, right? That's how I learned it anyway . . . .

What's the guarantee it wasn't slaughtered by an athiest, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.?


The saying of Bismillah is exactly what I was talking about in post 11.

kostageas
11-09-11, 07:30 PM
What's the guarantee it wasn't slaughtered by an athiest, Hindu, Buddhist, etc.?


The saying of Bismillah is exactly what I was talking about in post 11.

I apologize if I am wrong, I am uneducated in the matter. I was taught that it doesn't matter who slaughters it as long as it isn't in the name of a God other than Allah. So if it's not slaughtered in the name of any God, you simply say bismillah before eating. There's really no guarantee though.

I wasn't trying to make excuses, I was just trying to point out what I was taught. If it's wrong, please correct me. I don't want to eat haram things.

.mirror.
11-09-11, 07:50 PM
↑Yes, what you've been taught is incorrect.

Maybe you misunderstood. The slaughterer has to say Bismillah, Allahu Akbar, right before cutting the veins; it's not before you eat that it becomes halal.

:insha: Repent if you've eaten before and don't eat in the future. Just go eat pizza or something, instead.

Umm_Adam_
11-09-11, 10:50 PM
ur trying to save up remember sono mcdonalds for u!


:rotfl:


It Was Some Time Last Week :jkk: For That Though Made Me Laugh

Umm_Adam_
11-09-11, 10:51 PM
It's halal as long as you don't eat the bacon. But you gotta remember that McDonald's supports Israel. That practically makes it haram.


Yeah. It's not slaughtered in the name of a false God, so as long as you say Bismillah over it, then it's halal, right? That's how I learned it anyway . . . .


:rotfl:

This Is Most Funniest Thing Ive Heard In A While

abu_fulan_fulan
11-09-11, 11:37 PM
:rotfl:

This Is Most Funniest Thing Ive Heard In A While

it is unfortunately an extremely common misconception, especially amongst more cultural arab families.

sapphire_blue
12-09-11, 01:56 AM
Yeah. It's not slaughtered in the name of a false God, so as long as you say Bismillah over it, then it's halal, right? That's how I learned it anyway . . . .

http://islamqa.com/en/ref/85669/meat

Muslim First
12-09-11, 02:20 AM
and you trust them not to add haram ingredients?

naw I don't. I haven't been there for like a year now, but I literally live 5 mins away from 1 lol

Umm_Adam_
12-09-11, 01:59 PM
naw I don't. I haven't been there for like a year now, but I literally live 5 mins away from 1 lol

There Fish Burgers Gotten Smaller Like Pea Size :rubeyes:

Sismael
12-09-11, 01:59 PM
^ I thought Mc D's is haram :S

seven
12-09-11, 04:06 PM
47458

47459

Sheroo
12-09-11, 04:14 PM
I apologize if I am wrong, I am uneducated in the matter. I was taught that it doesn't matter who slaughters it as long as it isn't in the name of a God other than Allah. So if it's not slaughtered in the name of any God, you simply say bismillah before eating. There's really no guarantee though.

I wasn't trying to make excuses, I was just trying to point out what I was taught. If it's wrong, please correct me. I don't want to eat haram things.


Aieeee!! Reminds me of a story my great uncle told me of visiting a village where their method of halal slaughter was to use a knife that an elder had recited 'Bismillah' and blown on. They had been using without reciting the Tasmiya ever since!:shock:

Hafsah1
12-09-11, 04:27 PM
:salams


I Was Told That Eating Mc Donalds Chicken Is Halal?

Watch this video -

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=90xkZF5n6gk

Anyway they usually use lard to cook it, and lard has pig fat in it

Also I know someone that worked in one and they accidently cooked the chicken in the fish section, so the fish meals could be Haram too if it has been mixed with haram meat?

Why not just ask the shop if it is Halal and what they cook it in?

Peacenik
12-09-11, 04:32 PM
It's halal as long as you don't eat the bacon. But you gotta remember that McDonald's supports Israel. That practically makes it haram.

You also have to bear in mind that the utensils (like ladels..) might be used for both meat and vegetarian dishes. It's a tough call when you're trying to eat non-meat stuff.

At work for example, there's potatoes, chips etc... but how do we know they've not been cooked in the same oil as the meat ?

Umm_Adam_
12-09-11, 06:37 PM
I Forgot About the Ladels :vomit:

MWarrior
12-09-11, 09:28 PM
Mcd's is haraam but even if it was Halal I would still not touch them with a bargepole.

It's expensive and it's well known a lot of their staff are young students etc who do dirty things to the food just for jokes. Like spit in it etc

Also, Its better to Help out countless muslim businesses instead.

shafsbhai
13-09-11, 01:12 AM
Mcd's is haraam but even if it was Halal I would still not touch them with a bargepole.

It's expensive and it's well known a lot of their staff are young students etc who do dirty things to the food just for jokes. Like spit in it etc

Also, Its better to Help out countless muslim businesses instead.

One of my classmates cleaned the washroom and without washing his hands made three vurgers

haque
13-09-11, 01:19 AM
One of my classmates cleaned the washroom and without washing his hands made three vurgers

:vomit::vomit::vomit:

Umm_Adam_
13-09-11, 11:55 AM
One of my classmates cleaned the washroom and without washing his hands made three vurgers


:vomit:

This Is Why My Husband Refuses To Eat Out

muz
10-11-11, 03:37 AM
Salaam, my dad just brought home McDonalds. The classic Fries and Fish Fillet Sandwich with tartar sauce and cheese. I would like to know if it is halal? I've tried to do research, but don't know if yahoo answers is credible. I also checked another site it looked legit, but i dont know if it is outdated. I've read all over the net that one is haram and not the other and vice versa. Help :hidban:

AbuMubarak
10-11-11, 04:16 AM
118. So eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, if ye have faith in His signs.
119. Why should ye not eat of (meats) on which Allah.s name hath been pronounced, when He hath explained to you in detail what is forbidden to you - except under compulsion of necessity? But many do mislead (men) by their appetites unchecked by knowledge. Thy Lord knoweth best those who transgress.

Tahiyah
10-11-11, 04:26 AM
i am not sure their french fries are even real potatoes? and the fish...is square? hmm...says enough that it just isn't really food?

ask yourself this....would the Prophet eat it?

abu_fulan_fulan
10-11-11, 05:46 AM
they've been caught worldwide three times adding animal fats to their fries, each time saying would never happen again... and then they did it again.

if you believe mcdonalds is ok to eat after learning that, even the fillet of fish and fries then you're an idiot.

Hafsah1
10-11-11, 05:54 AM
Let me tell you a little story, a friend of mine used to work at McDonalds, and accidently dropped a chicken piece in the seperate place where they usually cook the fish, so even though the ingredients of fish and potatos may be okay, you can't be sure if someone had a mishap like that and cooked something Haram in the same oil, thus making the fish meals to be Haram too as they've been mixed with haram, also some people say they also use lard, but I don't know.
Perhaps you could just ask the store what ingredients they use, where they cook it, if they cook it seperately etc. But still you can't be sure if something haram has been cooked in the same place accidently as shown in that little story.
Perhaps if next time you ask a Muslim worker their, if it's halal or not, that way it'll maybe safer to eat as you can be more sure it's okay.
But personally I would never eat there again, as I've also seen myself someone drop food on the floor and just pick it up and serve it to the customer; so with the food been mixed with Haram and thus the fish meals becoming Haram (as they've been mixed with a Haram ingredient i.e. a haram chickenpiece), the hygiene standards are not good either.

AbuMubarak
10-11-11, 11:02 AM
McDonald's In Makkah!!! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=90xkZF5n6gk)

Muslimah81
10-11-11, 11:11 AM
It's haram. They fry the fish in the same oil as the burgers.

Then you have the whole issue of giving your money to a company that is such an overt supporter of Israel...

Mich
10-11-11, 11:34 AM
It's haram. They fry the fish in the same oil as the burgers.

Then you have the whole issue of giving your money to a company that is such an overt supporter of Israel...

breaded fish is cooked emerging it in frying oil. You do not cook burgers by emerging burgers in frying oil. Totally different cooking methods with totally different kitchen equipment.

However, breaded and fried chicken may be cooked in the same oi as the breaded fish.

Muslimah81
10-11-11, 11:37 AM
They do chicken burgers don't they? And chicken nuggets?

KeeKee
10-11-11, 11:39 AM
its haram.

its sad that mcdonalds and kfc etc have all popped up in makkah, medina etc. personally when we go we prefer to eat from al taazaj because its locally owned, and the meat and chicken is all watani too, so no worries about wether the meat n chicken is slaughtered in the halal way.

Mich
10-11-11, 11:40 AM
They do chicken burgers don't they? And chicken nuggets?

breaded chicken sandwiches. Burgers refer to beef hamburgers.

Muslimah81
10-11-11, 11:47 AM
breaded chicken sandwiches. Burgers refer to beef hamburgers.

:rolleyes:

still haram mate :D

naila-k
10-11-11, 01:21 PM
when i worked in macdonalds we had strict procedures in place, different fryer for chips, different fryers for chicken/ fish/ve/ and we also had colour coded utensils to use for each different product, ie chicken/meat/fish etc and if we mixed them up it would be a disciplinary offence, however the store manaer was a "muslim" well he had a muslim name anyway, i wasnt muslim then so didnt pay much attention, the area manaer was also a muslim.

Hafsah1
10-11-11, 03:26 PM
^^^
Well not all stores are the same, and like I said someone in the store I know, also a Muslim btw, accidently dropped a piece of chicken in the place they cook the fish fillets. Also I've seen myself someone their actually drop food on the floor and then just pick it up and serve it to the customer.

al-siddiq
10-11-11, 03:32 PM
Wa Aalaikum Assalam

I advise brothers and sisters to not reply to the opening post unless you actually know the hukm on the matter. Just because you wish to be safe or avoid does not make something haram.


I know a brother who in his jahiliyya worked in mcdonalds. He told me that the fish was cooked in separate oil, as were the french fries (I have seen this with my own eyes). This is in Canada. There is also the consideration regarding meat of the people of the book, which is a lengthy topic with a difference of opinion on it's application.

What makes you have doubt? There are a bunch of different rules here that some people do not know about. For instance, one of the rules is that if in general some process is always halal, we do not assume based on one accident that it is haram.

My advise though is that avoiding that which you have doubt in is never wrong, if your doubt is based in something =).



I strongly advise people do not give the hukm on actual things without knowing all the different things required on the topic. If we make something haram which is not, we are accounted for it.

Mikha’eel
10-11-11, 03:53 PM
Forget McDonalds. Go to a local halal takeaway and buy from them. You'll be helping muslim businesses and you know that what they are serving is Halal......

Pippin1376
10-11-11, 04:10 PM
From a health standpoint, it's better to make your own burgers and fries. Chicken nuggets take 3 ingredients (chicken, eggs, breadcrumbs (you can also make it with flour too)). Burgers, you can get away with 2 (meat and salt). Fries, also two (potatoes and salt). Then you cook it in olive oil and bake the fries instead of frying them and ba da boom you have all you need.

It's healthier and you know exactly what is in your food. Watch Food Inc, they also shed some light on the meat industry and how they process food. After watching that, I don't know how anyone would want to eat at a fast food place.

Hafsah1
10-11-11, 04:11 PM
Wa Aalaikum Assalam

I advise brothers and sisters to not reply to the opening post unless you actually know the hukm on the matter. Just because you wish to be safe or avoid does not make something haram.


I know a brother who in his jahiliyya worked in mcdonalds. He told me that the fish was cooked in separate oil, as were the french fries (I have seen this with my own eyes). This is in Canada. There is also the consideration regarding meat of the people of the book, which is a lengthy topic with a difference of opinion on it's application.

What makes you have doubt? There are a bunch of different rules here that some people do not know about. For instance, one of the rules is that if in general some process is always halal, we do not assume based on one accident that it is haram.

My advise though is that avoiding that which you have doubt in is never wrong, if your doubt is based in something =).



I strongly advise people do not give the hukm on actual things without knowing all the different things required on the topic. If we make something haram which is not, we are accounted for it.

:jkk:

noobz
10-11-11, 04:15 PM
subway perhaps?

Kashmir_85
10-11-11, 04:56 PM
Forget McDonald's, its all about dixy chicken

Muslim First
10-11-11, 06:28 PM
Wa Aalaikum Assalam

I advise brothers and sisters to not reply to the opening post unless you actually know the hukm on the matter. Just because you wish to be safe or avoid does not make something haram.


I know a brother who in his jahiliyya worked in mcdonalds. He told me that the fish was cooked in separate oil, as were the french fries (I have seen this with my own eyes). This is in Canada. There is also the consideration regarding meat of the people of the book, which is a lengthy topic with a difference of opinion on it's application.

What makes you have doubt? There are a bunch of different rules here that some people do not know about. For instance, one of the rules is that if in general some process is always halal, we do not assume based on one accident that it is haram.

My advise though is that avoiding that which you have doubt in is never wrong, if your doubt is based in something =).



I strongly advise people do not give the hukm on actual things without knowing all the different things required on the topic. If we make something haram which is not, we are accounted for it.

So I can eat a big mac? lol come on

naila-k
10-11-11, 07:10 PM
i think he meant the policy and process is that fish is kept seperate from meat, therefore is halal, not that you can eat a big mac. in general the process is halal, just because one person cooked it in the wrong oil doesnt make it haram? i think thats what i understand from that.

bitter_sweet
10-11-11, 07:21 PM
Personally?..Haraam!!

I too have heard a few times they have been caught adding animal fat to their fries many times, what would stop them from doing it again?

Avoid that which you're doubtful about anyway.

Furthermore,
"According to the Chicago Jewish Community Online (website of the Jewish United Fund of Metropolitan Chicago), McDonalds Corporation whose global headquarters is based just outside Chicago is a major corporate partner of the Jewish United Fund and Jewish Federation.[1].

Through its Israel Commission, the Jewish United Fund "works to maintain American military, economic and diplomatic support for Israel; monitors and, when necessary, responds to media coverage of Israel"[
http://www.inminds.com/boycott-mcdonalds.html

al-siddiq
11-11-11, 04:04 PM
I forgot to mention, if you can find a righteous muslim to buy food from who knows the limits of Islam in regards to buying/selling food, that's probably the best thing =).

Feesabillilah89
11-11-11, 04:21 PM
Personally?..Haraam!!

I too have heard a few times they have been caught adding animal fat to their fries many times, what would stop them from doing it again?

Avoid that which you're doubtful about anyway.

Furthermore,
http://www.inminds.com/boycott-mcdonalds.html

About the jewish thing. Thats crazy. They take our money and kill our brothers/sisters with it. Not cool.

:mujahida:

FarhaTheMuslima
11-11-11, 05:25 PM
the smarties mcflurry and the apple pie isnt vegetarian. the ingredients of all their stuff is on the back of that paper thing they put on the trays when you eat in, but they dont tell you that unless you ask (crafty people). anyway i dont go to macdonalds anymore for all the above reasons.

AbuMubarak
23-01-12, 05:03 AM
http://a4.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s320x320/400300_2488086642197_1253623952_31953782_699234660 _n.jpg (http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=2488086642197&set=p.2488086642197&type=1&ref=nf)

Can You Guess What McDonald’s Food Item This Is?

Say hello to mechanically separated chicken. It’s what all fast-food chicken is made – things like chicken nuggets and patties. Also, the processed frozen chicken in the stores is made from it.

Basically, the entire chicken is smashed and pressed through a sieve — bones, eyes, guts, and all. it comes out looking like this.

There’s more: because it’s crawling with bacteria, it will be washed with ammonia, soaked in it, actually. Then, because it tastes gross, it will be re flavored artificially. Then, because it is weirdly pink, it will be dyed with artificial color.

Think about that next time you pull through the drive thru or feed your kids fast food ;)

.mirror.
23-01-12, 05:14 AM
:rubeyes:

That's chicken!? Looks like whip cream!

AbuMubarak
23-01-12, 05:20 AM
and the madkhalis consider that ground up carcass to be halal

Mu'adh
23-01-12, 06:10 AM
:salams

McDonalds is haraam because they send money to support Israel. It is haraam to support the enemies of Islam, therefore it is haraam to buy from/eat McDonalds.

If the food is haraam or not is a different issue, but assuming it is, eating there would still be haraam.


:rubeyes:

That's chicken!? Looks like whip cream!

Yeah. I had a cousin that used to work at McDonalds. He told me that the chicken there was made out of a pink chickeny paste. Ewwww.

anonymous_mehip
23-01-12, 07:41 AM
:salams

McDonalds is haraam because they send money to support Israel. It is haraam to support the enemies of Islam, therefore it is haraam to buy from/eat McDonalds.

If the food is haraam or not is a different issue, but assuming it is, eating there would still be haraam.



Yeah. I had a cousin that used to work at McDonalds. He told me that the chicken there was made out of a pink chickeny paste. Ewwww.

Agree... and who eats Mcdonalds anyway... :/ . I've just been told that the bread of the fish burgers have pork in it...and people still try to find excuses...

alarmbells
23-01-12, 10:18 AM
:rubeyes:

That's chicken!? Looks like whip cream!

Lol, yeah I thought it was a strawberry mcflurry or something. Totally vile.

It's not just mc'dz who use mechanically processed meat though. I've looked at the back of frozen halal burgers before - I don't remember the brand - and that was one of the ingredients.

I guess it's down to capitalism that the standard of food is what it is. Alhamdolillah I've not eaten mcd's products in years.

$HugoBoss$
25-01-12, 05:45 AM
Wifey is very health conscious, haven't had mcdonalds in ages.

AbuMubarak
25-01-12, 06:14 AM
Lol, yeah I thought it was a strawberry mcflurry or something. Totally vile.

It's not just mc'dz who use mechanically processed meat though. I've looked at the back of frozen halal burgers before - I don't remember the brand - and that was one of the ingredients.

I guess it's down to capitalism that the standard of food is what it is. Alhamdolillah I've not eaten mcd's products in years.

leave it to a muslim to impugn the reputation of other muslims and islamic practices

Massilia
25-01-12, 09:56 AM
The bread is contaminated with pig

seven
25-01-12, 10:05 AM
these pesky pigs... first it were eggs, now it's bread.

doesn't just make birds angry! :55:

Massilia
25-01-12, 12:00 PM
these pesky pigs... first it were eggs, now it's bread.

doesn't just make birds angry! :55:

lol, so everyone says bye bye to the fish hamburger!!!

Saif-Uddin
25-01-12, 12:52 PM
Salaam,

I went to Mcdonalds ages ago to get fishfillet burger meal
I asked him whether the fries are fried in seperate oil
and the cashier was Muslim and he told me that he wouldnt advice me to eat them]
then i asked for my burger and again he said he wouldnt advice it

never been there since
Made sure no one in my college goes there aswel

He gave you good advice sis,

even if it was fried in a Seperate Oil, one would still doubt whether it is Halaal ...

safer to buy from a Muslim restaurant ...

:jkk:

Qiyas
25-01-12, 02:26 PM
I had some Indian guy advise me that the apple pie isn't halal. He actually showed me a leafle they had showing what foods weren't suitable for vegetarians etc.

She_Bittersweet
25-01-12, 02:54 PM
If UAE allows it to be sold, and has a name halal on it I would assume it is. They are quite strict with stuff like that.

islam lover
25-01-12, 03:43 PM
As a general rule I avoid eating at places that serve haram food ie pork as there is no guarantee that there is no cross contamination. We are responsible for what we put into our bodies and wether its halal or haram. Its up to us to make SURE of it and not just blindly follow signs that say halal. These days anyone can put a sign up saying halal.
I always check out if the place i'm eating at is HMC registered and always avoid HFA as there is much doubt that their standards are not up to scratch.
Why would anyone want to even eat in a place that cooks pork?

AbuMubarak
25-01-12, 04:37 PM
Why would anyone want to even eat in a place that cooks pork?because sometimes the alternatives are not alternatives

oz99
25-01-12, 04:59 PM
I detest the 'major' fast food companies like McDonalds and KFC.

Their food is extremely unhealthy and tastes bloody awful.

I can't believe some rancid company like McDonalds has a place in Mekkah.

I'd rather eat some nice grilled chicken wrap from a local food shop or restaurant in Mekkah than something as awful as McDonalds.

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 05:21 PM
2 expensive anyway

The White Rose
25-01-12, 05:42 PM
Assalaamu'alaikum, I personally stay away from mcdonalds as well as it being unhealthy Ive heard from people who have worked there saying that the people are really dirty and dont deal with the food properly for e.g. they dont wash their hands after the use of the toilet and if something falls to the ground they would pick it up and serve it to you. I know the same can be said for many other take aways but its just the vibe mcdonalds gives i.e. employing chavs and what not. I prefer not to eat out as much and prefer to cook my own food as it affects my spiritual states but if I do I would prefer to eat from a Muslim take away.

AbuMubarak
25-01-12, 05:44 PM
Assalaamu'alaikum, I personally stay away from mcdonalds as well as it being unhealthy Ive heard from people who have worked there saying that the people are really dirty and dont deal with the food properly for e.g. they dont wash their hands after the use of the toilet and if something falls to the ground they would pick it up and serve it to you. I know the same can be said for many other take aways but its just the vibe mcdonalds gives i.e. employing chavs and what not. I prefer not to eat out as much and prefer to cook my own food as it affects my spiritual states but if I do I would prefer to eat from a Muslim take away.

i have found that about 50% of the kuffar dont wash their hands when leaving the bathroom, some even after defecating will just walk out of the bathroom without washing their hands

so using your reasoning, its safe to say that no muslim should eat in any kafir establishment

(i have even seen many food preparers not wash their hands, its something about the way these people are raised)

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 05:45 PM
Assalaamu'alaikum, I personally stay away from mcdonalds as well as it being unhealthy Ive heard from people who have worked there saying that the people are really dirty and dont deal with the food properly for e.g. they dont wash their hands after the use of the toilet and if something falls to the ground they would pick it up and serve it to you. I know the same can be said for many other take aways but its just the vibe mcdonalds gives i.e. employing chavs and what not. I prefer not to eat out as much and prefer to cook my own food as it affects my spiritual states but if I do I would prefer to eat from a Muslim take away.

whats a chav?

Twinkle_Toes
25-01-12, 06:20 PM
whats a chav?

everyone in eastenders are chavs, now u know what chavs are

innocent_girl
25-01-12, 09:01 PM
lol@ they employe chavs ,,,, that kinda hurt me :( i worked at MCDs in my younger dayz

i had alot fun working there playing joks at managers and customers , i only eat MC food when i prepared for myself never trusted any1 ,,,al7amlilaah stoped eating it ages ago.

dhak1yya
25-01-12, 09:15 PM
The McDonalds chains in the Middle East are stocked by a factory in the Middle East that involves halal meat, so all the meat sold in the McDonalds franchises in Muslim countries is halal.

However.

McDonalds is on the boycott Israel list, (which includes American companies that give money and support to Israel) - so that begs alternative questions....

The White Rose
25-01-12, 09:23 PM
The McDonalds chains in the Middle East are stocked by a factory in the Middle East that involves halal meat, so all the meat sold in the McDonalds franchises in Muslim countries is halal.

However.

McDonalds is on the boycott Israel list, (which includes American companies that give money and support to Israel) - so that begs alternative questions....

The list as to why we shouldnt eat from Macci Ds goes on and on....

@innocent_girl

Sorry I didnt mean to offend you, school teachers always mention working at mcds as the worst thing you can end up doing, they always use it as an example to motivate students lol.

guava
25-01-12, 09:32 PM
in my city all the Arab Brothers eat at KFC knowing its not halal, but when confronted they say its not haraam only makruh so its not good to have but dont call haraam something the likes of chicken. Im just left opened mouthed after their statement, its not good to generalise but its safe to say in my city most of the arabs have those words on their mouths.

When i mention arab i mean (tunisian, morrocan, kuwaiti, egyptian)

I don't know what it is about KFC, but i've also seen some north african/arabs eating from there too when it's a haram place. ...... idk

abu_fulan_fulan
25-01-12, 09:36 PM
The McDonalds chains in the Middle East are stocked by a factory in the Middle East that involves halal meat, so all the meat sold in the McDonalds franchises in Muslim countries is halal.

However.

McDonalds is on the boycott Israel list, (which includes American companies that give money and support to Israel) - so that begs alternative questions....

as they've been caught 3 times putting animal fat in their fries to give it extra flavour, each time promising they'd never do it again it would extrmely foolish to trust mcdonalds anywhere as halal.

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 10:15 PM
i honestly do not know wha a chag is, what is it?

Twinkle_Toes
25-01-12, 10:17 PM
i honestly do not know wha a chag is, what is it?

chav :smack: not chag

I honestly cant explain it cuz u wont ever get it !

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 10:42 PM
chav :smack: not chag

I honestly cant explain it cuz u wont ever get it !

sorry chav

please explain it

innocent_girl
25-01-12, 10:49 PM
@MS watch EastEnders for a week and u will get full idea of what chav is specially the Butcher family loooooooooool

@TO lol i know sis ,,,, i did it as summer time job i left it as Quickly as i could lol good times tho

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 11:00 PM
what the heck why shall i awtch eastenders?????

The White Rose
25-01-12, 11:23 PM
@MS watch EastEnders for a week and u will get full idea of what chav is specially the Butcher family loooooooooool

@TO lol i know sis ,,,, i did it as summer time job i left it as Quickly as i could lol good times tho

Lolll especially bianca she's a right ol' chav!!!

MuslimSoljah
25-01-12, 11:38 PM
who the hecks biance?

ukhan0888
26-01-12, 02:53 AM
Salaam

It's haram haram haram!!!!!!! Stop arguing, let me say again Mcdonalds is completely haram, if your iman is weak than you will make a thousand excuses otherwise. Eat from places that says halal only.
My friend worked in McDonalds and he said that they put pork flavoring on the fries. McDonalds is haram for a thousand reasons!! If in doubt pray 2 rakat Nafal and go by what you feel inside

OhDear
20-06-12, 04:55 PM
Hi.

I was just passing by in cyberspace doing research into McDonald's as a shareholder in the company. I am from the United States and have spent considerable amount of time in Muslim -predominated countries; Morocco, Tunisia (but no McDonalds there), Turkey, Bahrain, and have seen so many customers packed into the establishments, even hijab wearing, that I have always assumed that the food was OK for Muslim consumption. After all, they commonly seem to be consuming quite gleefully... so I am surprised by the contention regarding this matter here in this forum.

The reason I am researching is I am trying to analyze the growth potential for McDonalds on the global scale, much of this future growth to be in some Islamic countries, Indonesia being one enormous market that comes to mind, but now also Tunsia (tiny market) now that Ben Ali is gone, massive muslim population in india, etc. What would help would be to know would be the ratio of Muslims who hold to some of the stern views being expressed in this forum, that interpret McDonald's as being forbidden (seriosly???), what changes they would have to make in order to be accepted as Halal, how difficult this transition would be, etc.

Or is it that McDonalds is harem in non -muslim countries because non -muslims are working in the restaurants but its halal in Islamic countries because more likely to have muslims working there?

Explanations please.

abu saalehah
20-06-12, 06:26 PM
Hi.

I was just passing by in cyberspace doing research into McDonald's as a shareholder in the company. I am from the United States and have spent considerable amount of time in Muslim -predominated countries; Morocco, Tunisia (but no McDonalds there), Turkey, Bahrain, and have seen so many customers packed into the establishments, even hijab wearing, that I have always assumed that the food was OK for Muslim consumption. After all, they commonly seem to be consuming quite gleefully... so I am surprised by the contention regarding this matter here in this forum.

The reason I am researching is I am trying to analyze the growth potential for McDonalds on the global scale, much of this future growth to be in some Islamic countries, Indonesia being one enormous market that comes to mind, but now also Tunsia (tiny market) now that Ben Ali is gone, massive muslim population in india, etc. What would help would be to know would be the ratio of Muslims who hold to some of the stern views being expressed in this forum, that interpret McDonald's as being forbidden (seriosly???), what changes they would have to make in order to be accepted as Halal, how difficult this transition would be, etc.

Or is it that McDonalds is harem in non -muslim countries because non -muslims are working in the restaurants but its halal in Islamic countries because more likely to have muslims working there?

Explanations please.

the vast majority of people here are from the uk or other western nations, so the mcdonalds near us are haram. The meat is haram over here.

As regards those mcdonalds in the middle east, Allaahu alim (God knows best) but I would certainly never trust a business that has been caught out three times putting haram ingredients secretly in their fries and each time promised it would never happen again.

LondonGal
20-06-12, 07:22 PM
It's halal where I live.

And it does not live up to the hype.

OhDear
20-06-12, 07:47 PM
the vast majority of people here are from the uk or other western nations, so the mcdonalds near us are haram. The meat is haram over here.

So perhaps the meat being served in those parts is then Halal? I mean, these would be the same people who wouldnt be caught dead eating pork if their lives depended on it, but then go crowding into McDonalds to chow down on Big Macs? Something isnt making sense with some of the comments and speculation in this thread that I am having trouble reconciling.

Also, from what I hear Subway has some sort of respectable certification over in those parts. How seriously is something like this taken?


As regards those mcdonalds in the middle east, Allaahu alim (God knows best) but I would certainly never trust a business that has been caught out three times putting haram ingredients secretly in their fries and each time promised it would never happen again.

Well, who are "they"? A few rogue burger flippers, Individual franchise owners, or top executive management? McDonald's just switched out their Chief Executive Officer a few days ago, actually. The party who could have been considered responsible for it may very well be retired and gone.

OhDear
20-06-12, 07:48 PM
It's halal where I live.

And it does not live up to the hype.

This may be a dumb question but... how do you know?

RayhaanM
06-04-13, 07:37 AM
Asalaamu Alaykum, Brothers and Sisters

No, McDonalds is Haraam
They Dont separate the food
I used to love mcdonalds food until i found out that its haraam
A guy at the Masjid Said
If you are a muslim then take my advice:
No big macs
No Milkshakes
No apple pies
No Sundaes
Nothing from mcdonalds can be eaten by a man/woman who follows islam.
In pakistan it is though.
That is even yummier!

Allah-hifiz