Male Muslim Doctors

[hen]

Ive got a question . Do male Muslim Doctors treat women in any country outside of the WEst? Is it an "issue" for them to treat non-Muslim women?

Along the same lines, would a Muslim Doctor give a non-Muslim patient as good of care as he would a Muslim? The reason Im asking is I hear lots of talk about hating the kafir so it makes me wonder if this translates to non-Muslim patients of a Muslim doctor. If you hate someone you may not give them good care.

[Kaaju Barfi]

i am a one step away from being a doctor and i see no problem with treating non muslims women, but of course i will treat any woman[muslim or non-muslim] always with a nurse present.

[baba]

A male doctor can treat a woman if her male relative is present, and there is no female doctor available to treat her.

I'm sure a Muslim doctor would give a non-Muslim the same standard of care. After all, you can never know when a person will become Muslim.

[outlandish]

one becomes a doctor to save lives not take them
why should one differentiate between muslim and non muslim, otherwise ur not a good doctor. And a muslim doctor would never either, u dont go around not treating with good care just coz of their faith,neither are u allowed to do such stuff. Jihad is on the battlefield not with unaware sick patients.
Maybe I should stop going to non muslim doctors too,coz hey kufars are killing us everywhere,so maybe he will treat me not well either sheesh :rolleyes:

[AbuZayd Al-Britaani]

What a load of rubbish!

I am a Muslim Doctor and I treat a Muslim patient in the same way I would treat a Non Muslim patient.

Every innocent human life is sacred to a Muslim....and all humankind is the Creation of Allah.

Oh and I just wanted to clarify one thing - we don't hate the Non Muslim person rather we hate their rejection of Islaam.

Hen, your comments confirm your Islamophobia.

[hen]

dont be so sure of that Sunni. I think its a valid question. I have read and observed lots of things on here about hating Kufrs and Americans. So I naturally wondered if that means my Muslim male doctor from Pakistan would give me less care cuz im not Muslim.

Im not really an Islamophobe.... and its not nice to accuse someone of that.... who isnt.

[Beyazid]

Go ask a Jewish Doctor if he drinks children's blood on the Sabbath and lets see what his response would be.

Peoples reasoned responses in this thread are a testament to their patience.

Go back and read what you said and I'm sure you'll come to the same conclusion as Dr.Sunni.

[hen]

Shame on you. You dont know what you are talking about.

If I was regulary reading posts that hilighted how much Jews hated non-Jews, or hated Americans for years and I was going to go to one I would naturally wonder about that.

You are not being honest with yourself, Beyazid.

And I am not claiming Muslims drink blood.

Beyazid, would you go to a Jewish doctor?

[Beyazid]

Off course I would. I have absoloutley nothing against Jews. Why would I have a problem going to a Jewish doctor?

Some the best surgeons in the U.K are Moslem and Jewish.

My friends father is one of the leading heart surgeons in the world and he's a moslem.

[hen]

be honest now, if the Doctor was a fairly well known pro-zionist would you go to him, freely?

anyways, my original question is valid.

it is naive to think that people who are non-Muslims will think any other way considering how all we ever hear is how much you hate us non-Muslims and lots of you sympathize with binny. For you to think that that type of view wont effect how Islam or Muslims are perceived is ridiculous. This is reality.

[Beyazid]

Hen,

this really belongs in the politics thread.

but i'll respond. Lets put this in context.

1/5 of the world is moslem. Do you think if all the talk about "hate us non-Muslims " is true you would not have world war III?

Obviously It's a over simplistic view.

Some people who have suffered excessivley blame american foreign policy. Do they Hate america? Most would say they hate it's policy that inflicts harm on their families but on the whole they admire the success the U.S has had economicaly but don't admire it as far as to the way the people live or behave and I think some americans would agree.

You might think that their blame is missplaced.. but I can show you that overall it isn't (in the politics thread). We can also talk about binladen. Who only ever recived aid from two countries in the world. America and saudi. Or how many of his followers are wanted and would be executed if they ever returned home. So how then is it that binladen is a example of anything except the uglyness of american foreign policy?

People want Americans to demand that their goverment have a ethical foreign policy since they are stuck in the middle between self serving dictators and the right wing people in the american goverment.

As for your question about the doctor.. If the doctor follows the hypocratic oath that he took when he became a doctor then I again have no trouble. I think their ideology is unethical since I've read some of the books written by some of their leading founders and it's just a ugly philosophy which too me is racist in origin. It's founded on a nice idea of people returning home but from then on it just gets ugly. Have a read of Vladimir Jabotinsky Iron Wall doctorine and you'll see what I mean.

Seriously hen may be you should spend a little less time in the politics board .It does my head in as well. It's just ugly and I wouldn't base too much on it's contents.

Oh and if your a christian or a Jew then your not a kafir.. You people of the book who are guarented rights in Islam.

Go visit syria and you'll see why talk about killing kafir is silly propoganda. They have a very large christian population (10%)and many many diffrent christian churches including amernian, catholic, othodox, syrianic, and Alawite, Druze, Jews. etc. They have lived their since before Islam came to syria and they still live their now. If this talk about killing kafar is right they shouldn't be their.

[hen]

i thought we were on the verge of wwIII. i guess i was under the assumption that Muslims felt the WEst was on a crusade agaisnt them and so therefore at war with them and that this was basically the start of WWIII.

Perhaps I have it wrong ( i hope i have it wrong).

But , I do read about how many Muslims support bin laden and hate Americans ( not AMerica) . So I was just thinking about how that might effect certain Muslims - like Doctors who happen to be Muslim in the US. I didnt mean anything rude by it, I think its a legitimate question. Its also a personal question for me since my Doctor is a Muslim and male. I was just wondering, after reading about some of the troubles in France in the emergency rooms, if Muslim Male doctors ,likewise, wish not to treat female patients. I apologize if my questions seem Islamophobic. Im not sitting here afraid of Islam or hating Islam or anything, I was just thinking....



Thats all I was asking. Originally posted by Beyazid
Hen,

this really belongs in the politics thread.

but i'll respond. Lets put this in context.

1/5 of the world is moslem. Do you think if all the talk about "hate us non-Muslims " is true you would not have world war III?

Obviously It's a over simplistic view.

Some people who have suffered excessivley blame american foreign policy. Do they Hate america? Most would say they hate it's policy that inflicts harm on their families but on the whole they admire the success the U.S has had economicaly but don't admire it as far as to the way the people live or behave.

You might think that their blame is missplaced.. but I can show you that it isn't in the politics thread. We can also talk about binladen. Who only ever recived aid from two countries in the world. America and saudi. Or how many of his followers would be executed if they ever returned home. So how then is this american sponsered terrorist a example of anything except the uglyness of american foreign policy?

People want Americans to demand that their goverment have a ethical foreign policy since they are stuck in the middle between self serving dictators and the right wing people in the american goverment.


As for your question about the doctor.. If the doctor follows the hypocratic oath that he took when he became a doctor then I again have no trouble. I think their ideology is unethical since I've read some of the books written by some of their leading founders and it's just a ugly philosophy which too me is racist in origin. It's founded on a nice idea of people returning home but from then on it just gets ugly. Have a read of Vladimir Jabotinsky Iron Wall doctorine and you'll see what I mean.

Seriously hen may be you should spend a little less time in the politics board .It does my head in as well. It's just ugly and I wouldn't base too much on it's contents.

Oh and if your a christian or a Jew then your not a kafir.. You people of the book who are guarented rights in Islam.

[outlandish]

hen ur question was not valid in the first point. What we all said does it now make u feel safer to go to that doctor?what was the point of asking about it here in the first place?maybe u should have asked the doctor directly. Have u ever heard of a case where the doctor knowingly didnt give proper treatment to a patient coz he/she was non muslim?
As for muslims hating the west, what do u expect we should tell how much we love America, Isreal for killing our people? We should not even dislike them for doing it? After september 11 how much tolerance and love did ur people show to muslims all over the world,and how much is there being shown?
As I said before no muslim doctor would ever differentiate between patients judging on religion, but than again how would u ppl ever understand, the only thing u see is how we hate/dislike the west.

[Ebony]

i dnt blame Hen for asking such a question.its quite understandable.
but in a profession such as medicine, where it is ur duty2 treat those of ill health, there should b no preferences of whom u want2 treat and how u treat them. and im sure tht muslim dr's dnt treat their patients any diff, whether they r muslim or not.

Ws

[hen]

I think you are being very naive. You have your head really stuck in the sand and refuse to see how Islam is being tarnished world-wide because of the actions of a few . With so many Muslims unwilling to out and out stand agaisnt the violence of al-qaeda, is it any wonder that Muslims everywhere on the face of the earth, in every profession, would be looked at by non-Muslims with some confusion? Frankly, I didnt even think a thing about it until I read some posts here about Muslim women in the emergency room in France and about how some posters think all Muslims should hate Americans, blah, blah, blah. I guess when you put yourself in a vulnerable position by relying on a Doctor that if that Doctor hates Americans too cuz lots of his co-regligionists say so, then its going to be a problem. For you not to be able to see the effect of your words and actions is bizarre and willfully naive.

And please, quit "you people"ing me. That is disgusting and racist to the core. You basically prove my point.

I ask a simple question and end up getting attacked over it. Its the stupidest thing i ever saw.


[/i]
hen ur question was not valid in the first point. What we all said does it now make u feel safer to go to that doctor?what was the point of asking about it here in the first place?maybe u should have asked the doctor directly. Have u ever heard of a case where the doctor knowingly didnt give proper treatment to a patient coz he/she was non muslim?
As for muslims hating the west, what do u expect we should tell how much we love America, Isreal for killing our people? We should not even dislike them for doing it? After september 11 how much tolerance and love did ur people show to muslims all over the world,and how much is there being shown?
As I said before no muslim doctor would ever differentiate between patients judging on religion, but than again how would u ppl ever understand, the only thing u see is how we hate/dislike the west. [/QUOTE]

[Tahiyah]

i ve been to jewish, hindu, muslim, and christian doctors, both males and females. the best doctor that ever treated me was a jamaician doctor. he had the most respect for my modesty and showed the most concern. a doctor isnt about religion.

[hen]

Its really difficult to find a good Doctor - family doctor that is. The Muslim one I have now is the best one I have found.

[outlandish]

Originally posted by Hen
I think you are being very naive. You have your head really stuck in the sand and refuse to see how Islam is being tarnished world-wide because of the actions of a few . With so many Muslims unwilling to out and out stand agaisnt the violence of al-qaeda, is it any wonder that Muslims everywhere on the face of the earth, in every profession, would be looked at by non-Muslims with some confusion? Frankly, I didnt even think a thing about it until I read some posts here about Muslim women in the emergency room in France and about how some posters think all Muslims should hate Americans, blah, blah, blah. I guess when you put yourself in a vulnerable position by relying on a Doctor that if that Doctor hates Americans too cuz lots of his co-regligionists say so, then its going to be a problem. For you not to be able to see the effect of your words and actions is bizarre and willfully naive.

And please, quit "you people"ing me. That is disgusting and racist to the core. You basically prove my point.

I ask a simple question and end up getting attacked over it. Its the stupidest thing i ever saw.



Ohh please my saying people ing whatever u call it to u was rascist? ,but with the thing that u came up with is certainly not rascist han?I found and find it very disgusting as well how u were singling out muslim doctors and having doubts about how he would treat you. Amazing ,like I said why dont u simply go and ask ur doctor direct? And why I say you people, is coz its always the same, kafirs always coming up with muslims hate us,america bla bla, we feel this or that, but never see why we hate them or the reasons for it, afcourse we should love America for its killings. duh
Your question like I said,does it make u feel safer or would it by discussing it here, and whatever others say to go to that doctor?
If I said hey should we go to that kafir doctor I dont feel safe, kafirs are killing us everywhere maybe he would not treat me well either. If I say this on a non muslim board, I wouldnt expect sweet welcomes either. Maybe afcourse might seem stupid to u..

[Ali_Khan]

Hey Hen if u dont like muslim doctors then go find a Kafir doctor. Im sure you will find one of those nice American medics who practice slaughtering their patients:


NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, March 15, 2001
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (UPI) – After 12 days of deliberations, a federal jury Wednesday convicted a former nurse of first-degree murder in the deaths of three patients at a veterans hospital.
Her motive, according to prosecutors, was to create emergencies so she could show off before her boyfriend, a security guard who also responded to the crisis situations.

The mother of two is now the first person to face a possible death penalty in Massachusetts in more than a quarter of a century.

The jury also found a tearful Kristen H. Gilbert, 33, guilty of one count of second-degree murder in the death of a fourth veteran and two counts of assault with intent to kill two others. She was cleared of attempting to kill another vet.

Gilbert, who showed little emotion during the trial, hung her head and cried as the verdicts were read.

The jury of nine women and three men are to reconvene Monday to decide whether Gilbert should be put to death.

Massachusetts does not have capital punishment, but because the murders occurred on federal property she could face the death penalty under federal law.

"I would personally like to see her get the death penalty," a relative of one of the victims said after the verdicts were announced.

During the four-month trial in U.S. District Court, federal prosecutors convinced the jurors that Gilbert injected a fatal dose of the stimulant epinephrine into the victims under her care at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Northampton, Mass., between August 1995 and February 1996.

The jury, which began its deliberations on Feb. 23, rejected the defense claim that the victims all died from natural health problems.

Gilbert was convicted of first-degree murder in the deaths of Air Force veteran Henry R. Hudon, 35, and Army veterans Kenneth G. Cutting, 41, and Edward S. Skwira, 66. She was convicted of second-degree murder in the death of Army veteran Stanley J. Jagodowski, 66.

During the trial, 71 witnesses were called and 210 exhibits presented as evidence

[Kaaju Barfi]

yes u can find one of those criminals who practise euthansia...

[Mary Carol]

Originally posted by Hen
Its really difficult to find a good Doctor - family doctor that is. The Muslim one I have now is the best one I have found.

A good doctor is a blessing.

And you have answered the question yourself.

Btw, can he give a good referral for a family doctor in my neck of the woods?

[hen]

I dont know, do you want me to ask? I'll call him and ask if you would like me to.

[hen]

i know im not speaking russian so i cant understand why you dont hear what im saying. i read the stuff about the french muslim women in the emergency rooms and i wondered if it was an issue for Muslim male doctors. I started thinking about it and i just wondered if it was a problem, and also if there is sometype of issue for Muslim male doctors to treat non-muslims espl women. I dont really see how that is racist. I mean I picked the Doctor and I knew he was Muslim - if I was racist would i even pick him in the first place? Anyways to answer your question - yes, i am glad i brought it up here. If you were a Doctor I certainly wouldnt go to you because of your nasty attitude and hate for all non-Muslims. Actually, you are going to need a Doctor soon cuz of all that hostility and anger you are carrying around - its not good for your heart, or your stomach.


oh and as for me "coming up with" Muslims views on America or Americans - that is ludicrous. I read. Bascially, thats it. I read alot of hate filled invectives towards Americans coming from Muslim sources ( and vice versa). I actually understand it. I dont agree with it but I understand it.



nally posted by outlandish [/i]
Ohh please my saying people ing whatever u call it to u was rascist? ,but with the thing that u came up with is certainly not rascist han?I found and find it very disgusting as well how u were singling out muslim doctors and having doubts about how he would treat you. Amazing ,like I said why dont u simply go and ask ur doctor direct? And why I say you people, is coz its always the same, kafirs always coming up with muslims hate us,america bla bla, we feel this or that, but never see why we hate them or the reasons for it, afcourse we should love America for its killings. duh
Your question like I said,does it make u feel safer or would it by discussing it here, and whatever others say to go to that doctor?
If I said hey should we go to that kafir doctor I dont feel safe, kafirs are killing us everywhere maybe he would not treat me well either. If I say this on a non muslim board, I wouldnt expect sweet welcomes either. Maybe afcourse might seem stupid to u.. [/QUOTE]

[reachin'out]

I can't understand the hostility in many answers to Hen's question. She and I joined this forum almost simultaneously, and she has always been educated in her interractions. I see her as a potential revert, if she recieved straight forward, informative replies. She has been part of the sisters forum in its early days.

Please try to be neutral in your responses, rather than hostile. Injecting a little warmth may also be beneficial dawah.

[hen]

its okay jamilla,
At this point I am curious to know how what I asked is racist or wrong. Perhaps it is and I dont know it. I dont think Im thinking racist things about Muslims but perhaps you see something I dont. Anyways, my intention was not to upset anyone, I apologize if I have offened you all.

[Ebony]

i dnt understand y certain ppl reactd the way they did 2 ur q. :confused:
line of thought ws perfectly understandable

i agree with u sis jamila!

[Ali_Khan]

because she is trying to imply that muslim medics are some sort of mass murderers. The reality is that American kafirs who practice medicine are the ones who we should be worried about:

NewsMax.com Wires
Thursday, March 15, 2001
SPRINGFIELD, Mass. (UPI) – After 12 days of deliberations, a federal jury Wednesday convicted a former nurse of first-degree murder in the deaths of three patients at a veterans hospital.
Her motive, according to prosecutors, was to create emergencies so she could show off before her boyfriend, a security guard who also responded to the crisis situations.

The mother of two is now the first person to face a possible death penalty in Massachusetts in more than a quarter of a century.

The jury also found a tearful Kristen H. Gilbert, 33, guilty of one count of second-degree murder in the death of a fourth veteran and two counts of assault with intent to kill two others. She was cleared of attempting to kill another vet.

Gilbert, who showed little emotion during the trial, hung her head and cried as the verdicts were read.

The jury of nine women and three men are to reconvene Monday to decide whether Gilbert should be put to death.

Massachusetts does not have capital punishment, but because the murders occurred on federal property she could face the death penalty under federal law.

"I would personally like to see her get the death penalty," a relative of one of the victims said after the verdicts were announced.

During the four-month trial in U.S. District Court, federal prosecutors convinced the jurors that Gilbert injected a fatal dose of the stimulant epinephrine into the victims under her care at the Veterans Affairs Medical Center in Northampton, Mass., between August 1995 and February 1996.

The jury, which began its deliberations on Feb. 23, rejected the defense claim that the victims all died from natural health problems.

Gilbert was convicted of first-degree murder in the deaths of Air Force veteran Henry R. Hudon, 35, and Army veterans Kenneth G. Cutting, 41, and Edward S. Skwira, 66. She was convicted of second-degree murder in the death of Army veteran Stanley J. Jagodowski, 66.

During the trial, 71 witnesses were called and 210 exhibits presented as evidence

[hen]

I am NOT implying that. That is FALSE. Go back and read what I said.

[Ali_Khan]

Your saying that muslim medics might give non-muslim patients bad care. Considering that we are talking about a life and death profession, bad care WILL lead to several deaths. That is how u are implying mass murder.

In any case, why would muslim medics give u bad care? What have they got against you?

[outlandish]

Originally posted by Hen
If you were a Doctor I certainly wouldnt go to you because of your nasty attitude and hate for all non-Muslims. Actually, you are going to need a Doctor soon cuz of all that hostility and anger you are carrying around - its not good for your heart, or your stomach.

oh and as for me "coming up with" Muslims views on America or Americans - that is ludicrous. I read. Bascially, thats it. I read alot of hate filled invectives towards Americans coming from Muslim sources ( and vice versa). I actually understand it. I dont agree with it but I understand it.

nally posted by outlandish [/i]

Nasty attitude?I take that as a compliment,atleast it was for something that I dont see that I was doing wrong. You were accusing muslims,I stood up for that,u and all the other ppl can see it as they wish,I have no regrets for it whatsoever.
My hate for all non muslims,where did u get that from? Dont assume things:rolleyes:
As for me needing a doctor,it was u whom needed one, not me, but thanks for ur concern,alhamduillah Allah knows how much hatred I do or do not have, u dont know me, so assume as u wish.

[Kaaju Barfi]

i think some people here on this board are extremely paranoid....

[hen]

I was NOT accusing any Muslim of anything. At this point, its so ridiculous that some of you would overreact the way you have and that I cant say anything. In other words, its impossible to talk to you about it so I wont waste my time trying.

[Ali_Khan]

:)

[Mary Carol]

Originally posted by Hen
I was NOT accusing any Muslim of anything. At this point, its so ridiculous that some of you would overreact the way you have and that I cant say anything. In other words, its impossible to talk to you about it so I wont waste my time trying.

Hen,

All you did was ask a question, looking for a sincere answer. I hope that in between the hostility you unjustly received, you found an answer.

Don't give up asking just because some people find certain questions to be an opportunity to attack the messenger rather than compose a rational response to the query.

rajii

[outlandish]

Originally posted by Hen
I was NOT accusing any Muslim of anything. At this point, its so ridiculous that some of you would overreact the way you have and that I cant say anything. In other words, its impossible to talk to you about it so I wont waste my time trying.
sure indeed whatever
saying to me that I hate all non muslims wasnt accusing either indeed

[Beyazid]

Guys hen has already made it clear her intention wasn't negative. Lets give her the benefit of the doubt and move on :D Nit picking isn't a productive or heathly activity.

And i think I over reacted in my previous responses to her and I hope no offence was caused.