Now, why was I banned?

[Nighthawk2]

Sajid,

Thanks for your initial response, but you still haven't answered the question. Why was I banned? You said yourself you didn't know but were going to find out.


To the moderators,
It's your board and you make the rules. You said that you would notify people of any possible offence. Yet, to date I've received no notification. I tried to ask you thru e-mail, but no resolution to date.


If you want this to be a Muslims only board, let us know. If you want this to be a kaffir-hate site, let us know. You've said that you welcome diverse ideas, and all you asked that people not disrespect Islam. I've done no such thing. No flame wars, no slander against Islam, just a different point of view.


So, I'll ask again.
-Why was I banned?
-What is the purpose of this forum? A board for people who hate the West or a board for people to discuss different ideas with each other and possibly learn a few things along the way?

[Malcom]

My guess is Shiek banned you. He does a lot of editing of stuff he simply disagrees with ("western lies") the rest pretty much just delete flames

[Horus]

tyler have you looked at the sows board tonight? you dont need a signon to know that ummah.com is being trashed :)

[frankeyk]

edited by fk

[Nighthawk2]

Originally posted by Malcom
My guess is Shiek banned you. He does a lot of editing of stuff he simply disagrees with ("western lies") the rest pretty much just delete flames

"western lies" hahaha

The funny thing was is that virtually none of my post were ever edited or deleted. I don't participate in the flame wars, and I even make a point to use the killfile.

Out of curiousity, I looked up the term moderator on Websters.com. Here is what I found:

mod·er·a·tor Pronunciation Key (md-rtr)
n.
One that moderates, as:
-One that arbitrates or mediates.
-One who presides over a meeting, forum, or debate.
-The officer who presides over a synod or general assembly of the Presbyterian Church.
-Physics. A substance, such as water or graphite, that is used in a nuclear reactor to decrease the speed of fast neutrons and increase the likelihood of fission.


Does that term apply here? Should we use a different term other than moderator? Perhaps we should start referring to the moderators as administrators.


Oh and Horus, you're still on my killfile.

[Horus]

good to know :)

[Evil E]

They have always referred to themselves as admins I think. I don't know why you are in such a dither about it and indignant. Look at over at the Panty and Girdle board. They have banned everybody BUT AL's. Why dish the admins here and get on their case for something that is practiced regularly on the boards you and your friends hang at?

I haven't been banned here yet, but came close... real close. But what the hey... I like living on the edge... dodging rigidly defined areas of doubt and uncertainty HAHAHAHA Besides, I didn't log on to the net for the bland and inane - I signed up for the wild,wild west. HAHAHAHAHA

[suroh]

[banned for foul language]

[Evil E]

Originally posted by suroh
Edited.

OH... oh... looks like the fascist zionists are a tad bit... bitter - and in a rancid and fowl:mad: mood too boot.

What potty mouths you zionists have. Why I'm... shocked :eek:... simply shocked.....

[frankeyk]

edited by fk

[Oraclesql]

Azzleeches moaning and whingina again well you know at you sow board each time a few of my mates have tried to sign in we came on for debate and discussion all we do is get banned and that Unamercan Hag women of your is the biggest bigoted idiots out of the lot.we sign on your forum and get banned. well good riddance to you. you should be banned each time any of you sign in here.just goes to show how unthoughtful you are.and not only that we get banned and you idiots laff about it.take a dose of your own medicine.im glad you got banned you deserved it

[hen]

I dont really know or care what Nighthawk/Tyler Durden is posting on other boards. Here at Ummah he has been respectful and asked good questions. I cant understand why he would be banned either.

Hen

[kaleem26]

im interested too why he got banned? i know admin u do a good job overall and islam as a deen comes firsta alhumdilah, we wont tolerate blasphemous remarks about muhammad[saw] or allah swt or jus needless insultin insha allah, but if he hasnt said anyhin like that and too my viewin of his posts he was rather decent mannered and always debated well alhumdilah, so why did he get banned? jus tryin to get to the bottom of this!..;)

[sheik]

ASA,

I think it was me who banned Nighthawk, although I can't remember. I ban so many people, it's hard to keep track :-)

Seriously though, I don't give a reason to each and every person I ban. The simple reason is this; you all know what the rules are and everytime you break a rule you know full well what the reaction will be.

I know many of the uses try and 'bend' the rules by tip-toeing on the line but I don't stand for that kind of nonsense. Either you fully comply with the rules, are you will be edited and/or banned. It really is that simple.

As for the whole 'I'm a Non-Muslim and I'm being picked on', please stop your whining. I perform my job here without any preference to your religion or colour.

Don't believe me? Take a poll of all the Muslims I've edited/banned here, you''ll find the list far outweighs the Non-Muslims.

I find it sad that a Non-Muslim will immediately assume they were banned because of their faith, not because of their behaviour. Here's some news for you:

1) If you insult the Prophet (SAW), you will be banned. No warning, no excuses.

2) If you insult Islamic Law or Sharia, you will be banned. No warning.

3) If you insult the Companions (RA) of the Prophet (SAW), you will be most likely edited if you remark was incorrect but if you go so far as to deliberately insult the Companions (RA), you will be banned immediately.

4) If you spout pro-Zionist rubbish, you will be banned. There are other forums where you can do that. Don't do it here.

5) This is primarily an Islamic forum. Your stay here is conditional that you respect our faith. You don't want to respect our faith? Fine, don't come here. While you are here, you will respect Islamic beliefs and culture. E.g. you may think the hijab is oppressive, but it's an Islamic requirement for women, you insult it, you're gone.

The admins here do extend a lot of leeway to non-Muslims as far as respecting our faith goes, but some users do abuse that. As for knowing the Muslim faith, if you don't know, ask. Ask in a respectful way.

If you can't do that, take some lessons in manners and then come back.

Same for Muslims, as you may have noticed Sajid made a committment to cut down on the 'Zionist pig' comments and we will be enforcing that.

[sajid]

Salams

yeh thanks sheik for that..hope that answer some of your Question..also i agree on his point about People feeling that they have been discriminated against because of their religion, that is not the case as he mentioned have a look at some of the racist comments made especially those that have said things like "you zionist pig" or "you Nazim" or "Zionist ****" we have kept our word and have Censored such Comments

Also in the issue of Opinions.yes u may disagree with something, buit im sure there is a way of putting a point across..may in form of Question? maybe,

hope this answers some of ur questions

Thanks
ws
sajid

[controlled chaos]

Originally posted by sheik
4) If you spout pro-Zionist rubbish, you will be banned.

Just so I'm clear here, what exactly is "pro-Zionist rubbish"? Seems that this is simply a matter of opinion. Not trying to cause a problem, but I, for one, have no earthly idea what "pro-Zionist" rubbish is. Is it considered in the same league with "Western propaganda" (which, by the way, I've never received an answer on)?

[sheik]

Yes, you're right it's a matter of opinion. It is subjective. It's subject to what the admins think is acceptable and isn't.

I'll give you an example and hopefully you have the mental capacity to figure it out from there:

- You state that Osama bin Laden is evil (subjective), has looted his own people (no evidence but evidence to the contrary from people who have actually met him), cheats on his wives (no factual evidence)

I classify the above as Western propaganda aimed to discredit OBL by spreading lies and misinformation. You want to do that? Fine, just don't do it here. It's not substantiated and the sources are those who have something against him. Not impartial is it?

- You say that Ariel Sharon is a man of peace (Shatila and Sabra say otherwise), Ariel Sharon has given generously in his peace deal (not true), All Palestinians are terrorists (not true), Hamas should be outlawed (false - legitimate entity), Israel has a right to exist (how and why?), the IDF aims to reduce civilian casualties (not true), the Pro-Israel lobby in the US is not influential (not true), there is no Pro-Israel lobby in the US (false)

The above is Pro-Zionist propaganda. I won't allow it. See? Very simple.

Now, let me give you the alternate scenario:

- You say Ariel Sharon needs to do more to encourage peace (true), Hamas needs to re-evaluate it's modus operandi (true), the IDF also need to re-evaluate their modus operandi (true), The Pro-Israel lobby in the US are very militant in their views (true)

That's all there is to it. Very very simple in fact.

You seriously think that coming to an Islamic forum to spout the virtues of Israel / IDF will gain you friends? Well it won't. Further I consider such acts as flame baiting.

It's like me saying Saddam Hussein is a friend of the Kurds, we all know he's not.

[Abu Mujahid]

Jazak Allah Kheir, Ya akhi Sheikh. We must add that we have our own brains and we can make our own minds. If we refuse to accept the terms others have been pushing down our throughts, it is our perogative. Others can not ask us to accept their mind set and all of their values. Some values, I do respect, accept, and appreciate, but anything that does not conform with the Islamic teachings, Ihave the right to reject it.

Salaams

[arabianknight]

Originally posted by controlled chaos


Just so I'm clear here, what exactly is "pro-Zionist rubbish"? Seems that this is simply a matter of opinion. Not trying to cause a problem, but I, for one, have no earthly idea what "pro-Zionist" rubbish is. Is it considered in the same league with "Western propaganda" (which, by the way, I've never received an answer on)?

it means if you support that fruad of a terrorist country called Israel then you and the rest

[rest of comment edited - sorry dude its gonna cause flame wars again]

[Al-Raad]

Assalaamu Alaikum
Okay i think we can move on now, and this whole 'why was i banned thing' is dragging on to much now. I think bro Sheik explained very well the conditions and policy of the Admins. So lets leave it there and get back to discussions now that everyone knows the score.

wsalams
Al-Raad.

[controlled chaos]

[edited] Admins note: Pay attention class. Obey the rules or be banned.

[Nighthawk2]

[Edited ] Admins Note: Read my reply.

[Veritas]

Originally posted by sheik
Yes, you're right it's a matter of opinion. It is subjective. It's subject to what the admins think is acceptable and isn't.

I'll give you an example and hopefully you have the mental capacity to figure it out from there:

- You state that Osama bin Laden is evil (subjective), has looted his own people (no evidence but evidence to the contrary from people who have actually met him), cheats on his wives (no factual evidence)

I classify the above as Western propaganda aimed to discredit OBL by spreading lies and misinformation.

I see. so the standard here is that when one makes unsubstantiated accusations, it's unacceptable?

If that's the case, then what about some of these unsubstantiated accusations:

1) "if i were president...i would outlaw zionism and deport all its supporters since they are all un-american"

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2282

By your standards, Horus would have to prove that zionists are un-american. He does not, and the statement, in addition to being insulting, is very arguable.

2) Here's a whole thread alleging that Arabs didn't carry out the attacks on the WTC and Pentagon because (and I'm not making this up) two supposed hijackers were mis-identified. What proof does he give? None.

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=2368

3) And here's Horus again. He's claimed any number of times that the 9/11 attacks were planned with Israel's help, and posts the same garbage argument again, this time with some "proof" that proves nothing:

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=21369#post21369

Here's the supposed "proof" - notice it proves nothing.

http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j032202.html

If you want, you'll find many, many, many more unsubstantiated claims being made on this board. So the question is: is it wrong for people to post things you find unsubstantiated, or is it only wrong when the "unsubstantiated" things rub you or your ideology the wrong way?

You seriously think that coming to an Islamic forum to spout the virtues of Israel / IDF will gain you friends? Well it won't. Further I consider such acts as flame baiting.[/B]

So are all the "the Jews must die" posts here. Why aren't they deleted and the posters banned?

[sheik]

Veritas, you are trying my patience and I don't have much of it left.

The standard is very simple. If you come here to make trouble and just plain argue, you will be edited and maybe even banned if you are lucky enough.

Who makes the decision at the end of the day? Certainly not the user. It's either the admin or the admins collectively.

[controlled chaos]

Originally posted by controlled chaos
[edited] Admins note: Pay attention class. Obey the rules or be banned.

I ask questions, you only delete the content. I follow your rules (rules that have just now been instituted) and you still delete the post. Nothing in my post was contrary to what you requested of the users. If it was, I only ask that you respond to me, preferably via PM, as to what I stated that was not acceptable. I'm only attempting to clarify what you stated earlier, as some things were'nt clear (i.e. valid sources of information). Thanks in advance for your time and effort.

[Veritas]

Originally posted by sheik
Veritas, you are trying my patience.

Why?

[Nighthawk2]

I've asked the same question, and they get deleted. The post was responded to, but the question was not answered.

I followed the rules to the best of my knowledge and get banned. I ask for an explanation (so I won't make the same mistake again), and nothing.

So, here's the question again:
Why was I banned? Which rule did I break? Tell me so I can avoid doing the same thing in the future.


Added text:
I asked for an explanation by e-mail and by private message but have received none to date. Therefore, I'm asking this on the general forum.

[sajid]

NH

I think shiek mentioned that he said it in one of his posts..he suggested that u check it out..i think he did mention the reason why...do see if u can find it

sajid

[Nighthawk2]

Sajid,

I saw in another post that Sheik thought I was being confrontational, but that's it.

If the questions been answered, I haven't seen it. I'd like to see the response so I know what not to do. Or should I just be less confrontational on this discussion bulletin board and leave it at that?