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qalandarbaba97
22-08-08, 04:41 PM
Mother Shipton (circa 1486-1561)


And now a word, in uncouth rhyme
Of what shall be in future time.

Then upside down the world shall be
And gold found at the root of tree
All England's sons that plough the land
Shall oft be seen with Book in hand.

The poor shall now great wisdom know
Great houses stand in far-flung vale
All covered o'er with snow and hail.
A carriage without horse will go
Disaster fill the world with woe.

In London, Primrose Hill shall be
In centre hold a Bishop's See
Around the world men's thoughts will fly
Quick as the twinkling of an eye.

And water shall great wonders do
How strange. And yet it shall come true.
Through towering hills proud men shall ride
No horse or ass move by his side.

Beneath the water, men shall walk
Shall ride, shall sleep, shall even talk.
And in the air men shall be seen
In white and black and even green.

A great man then, shall come and go
For prophecy declares it so.

In water, iron, then shall float
As easy as a wooden boat
Gold shall be seen in stream and stone
In land that is yet unknown.

And England shall admit a Jew
You think this strange, but it is true
The Jew that once was held in scorn
Shall of a Christian then be born.

A house of glass shall come to pass
In England. But Alas, alas
A war will follow with the work
Where dwells the Pagan and the Turk.

These states will lock in fiercest strife
And seek to take each other's life.
When North shall thus divide the south
And Eagle build in Lion's mouth
Then tax and blood and cruel war
Shall come to every humble door.

Three times shall lovely sunny France
Be led to play a bloody dance
Before the people shall be free
Three tyrant rulers shall she see.

Three rulers in succession be
Each springs from different dynasty.
Then when the fiercest strife is done
England and France shall be as one.

The British olive shall next then twine
In marriage with a German vine.
Men walk beneath and over streams
Fulfilled shall be their wondrous dreams.

For in those wondrous far off days
The women shall adopt a craze
To dress like men, and trousers wear
And to cut off their locks of hair.
They'll ride astride with brazen brow
As witches do on broomstick now.

And roaring monsters with man atop
Does seem to eat the verdant crop
And men shall fly as birds do now
And give away the horse and plough.

There'll be a sign for all to see
Be sure that it will certain be.

Then love shall die and marriage cease
And nations wane as babes decrease.
And wives shall fondle cats and dogs
And men live much the same as hogs.

In nineteen hundred and twenty six
Build houses light of straw and sticks.
For then shall mighty wars be planned
And fire and sword shall sweep the land.

When pictures seem alive with movements free
When boats like fishes swim beneath the sea,
When men like birds shall scour the sky
Then half the world, deep drenched in blood shall die.

For those who live the century through
In fear and trembling this shall do.
Flee to the mountains and the dens
To bog and forest and wild fens.

For storms will rage and oceans roar
When Gabriel stands on sea and shore
And as he blows his wondrous horn
Old worlds die and new be born.

A fiery Dragon will cross the sky
Six times before this earth shall die
Mankind will tremble and frightened be
For the sixth heralds in this prophecy.

For seven days and seven nights
Man will watch this awesome sight.
The tides will rise beyond their ken
To bite away the shores and then
The mountains will begin to roar
And earthquakes split the plain to shore.


And flooding waters, rushing in
Will flood the lands with such a din
That mankind cowers in muddy fen
And snarls about his fellow men.

He bares his teeth and fights and kills
And secrets food in secret hills
And ugly in his fear, he lies
To kill marauders, thieves and spies.

Man flees in terror from the floods
And kills, and rapes and lies in blood
And spilling blood by mankind's hands
Will stain and bitter many lands.

And when the Dragon's tail is gone,
Man forgets, and smiles, and carries on
To apply himself -- too late, too late
For mankind has earned deserved fate.

His masked smile -- his false grandeur
Will serve the Gods their anger stir.
And they will send the Dragon back
To light the sky -- his tail will crack
Upon the earth and rend the earth
And man shall flee, King, Lord, and serf.

But slowly they are routed out
To seek diminishing water spout
And men will die of thirst before
The oceans rise to mount the shore.
And lands will crack and rend anew
You think it strange. It will come true.


And in some far off distant land
Some men -- oh such a tiny band
Will have to leave their solid mount
And span the earth, those few to count,
Who survives this (unreadable) and then
Begin the human race again.

But not on land already there
But on ocean beds, stark, dry and bare
Not every soul on Earth will die
As the Dragon's tail goes sweeping by.

Not every land on earth will sink
But these will wallow in stench and stink
Of rotting bodies of beast and man
Of vegetation crisped on land.

But the land that rises from the sea
Will be dry and clean and soft and free
Of mankind's dirt and therefore be
The source of man's new dynasty.

And those that live will ever fear
The Dragons tail for many year
But time erases memory
You think it strange. But it will be.

And before the race is built anew
A silver serpent comes to view
And spew out men of like unknown
To mingle with the earth now grown
Cold from its heat and these men can
Enlighten the minds of future man.

To intermingle and show them how
To live and love and thus endow
The children with the second sight
A natural thing so that they might.
Grow graceful, humble and when they do
The Golden Age will start anew.



(These verses were on the outer wrapping of scrolls):

I know I go -- I know I'm free
I know that this will come to be.
Secreted this -- for this will be
Found by later dynasty.

A dairy maid, a bonny lass
Shall kick this tome as she does pass
And five generations she shall breed
Before one male child does learn to read.

This is then held year by year
Till an iron monster trembling fear
Eats parchment, words and quill and ink
And mankind is given time to think.

And only when this comes to be
Will mankind read this prophecy
But one man's sweet's another's bane
So I shall not have burned in vain.

Mother Shipton

(Following section was kept in a separate jar.)

The signs will be there for all to read
When man shall do most heinous deed
Man will ruin kinder lives
By taking them as to their wives.
And murder foul and brutal deed
When man will only think of greed.

And man shall walk as if asleep
He does not look -- he many not peep
And iron men the tail shall do
And iron cart and carriage too.

The kings shall false promise make
And talk just for talking's sake
And nations plan horrific war
The like as never seen before.
And taxes rise and lively down
And nations wear perpetual frown.

Yet greater sign there be to see
As man nears latter century.
Three sleeping mountains gather breath
And spew out mud, and ice and death.
And earthquakes swallow town and town,
In lands as yet to me unknown.

And Christian one fights Christian two
And nations sigh, yet nothing do
And yellow men great power gain
From mighty bear with whom they've lain.

These mighty tyrants will fail to do
They fail to split the world in two.
But from their acts a danger bred
An ague -- leaving many dead.

And physics find no remedy
For this is worse than leprosy.
Oh many signs for all to see
The truth of this true prophecy.

ya akhi
22-08-08, 04:52 PM
woah........

usman3
22-08-08, 07:18 PM
Very impressive.... if only she had written that at the time of her life.

This is not her work.

"It is now generally accepted that the figure of Mother Shipton was largely a myth, and that the majority of her prophecies were composed by others in retrospect, after her death"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mother_Shipton





You will not find True Guidance, except in the Quran.

Nor true Prophecies, except in the Sahih Hadith.

heart of gold
22-08-08, 07:35 PM
i predict that George Bush will be out of office sometime early next year.

Te'oma
22-08-08, 08:29 PM
that has changed since I was in school. The version that I originally read ended with the line:
and the world
to an end shall come
in nineteen hundred
and ninety one

Kareem
22-08-08, 08:32 PM
only Allah (سبحانه و تعالى) knows the future.

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 07:53 AM
my advise: don't trust wiki.

as far as i remember, the scrolls are in a library in austrailia.

i can't understand why people start with messenger.
Message tells you about the messenger so message is of importance.

Morris
23-08-08, 10:03 AM
qalandarb:

You've demonstrated quite an interest in some of the more esoteric strands of Westerns mysticism. I would advise caution. I am a little superstitious and its probably just nonsense- but some of it is quite dark and I think perhaps you are best not filling your head with such things. :)

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 10:59 AM
these were the things i once had interest in. i still have but very little because now i am into something else. the reason i post it is to prove two points.



1. Unseen is known by allah alone but he shares his knowledge with the people of all classes, religions, and regions. and this unseen knowledge, when descends from the loh-e-mahfooz/tablets/akashic records to us, is no more considered 'unseen'.

There exist innumerable no. of timelines, all with 100% probability to become a reality. our choices make any probable future to become our real future.

But allah knows what our choices will be and thus what our future is. Some of us are given 'probable future' glimpses. some of us are given the 'real future'. the exact purpose is known to allah but my opinion is that allah does so for us to believe in him, his knowledge and in his ways.

infact everyone of us has the ability to see akashic records but there are barriers and levels which prohibit profane and sinners to have access. the profane then seek the help of disembodied spirits, entities, demons, Jinns etc. but the knowledge they thus get is not the real one. according to the capacity and access of these beings, they can only see some probable future timelines which may or maynot become a reality.

Therefore, it is prohibited in islam to consult medium, channelers and magicians. because if we do consult such people, we then formulate our decisions on faulty information, which can result into evil/wrong deeds. (The medium is the one who seek the help of some entity. the real ones doesn't need any entity because their own soul is free to browse the records).

The rabbis of old, the christian mystics, the shamans, the lamas of old, the sufi saints have much greater access (according to their capacity). some announce it, some don't.




2. The time of trials, wars, famine, plagues and great miracles is coming. We are going to see some, our children are going to experience them. so, it is necessary for all of us to be aware of these events so that when the time comes, we or our children can decide between right and wrong. Maybe this is the reason God has given some of us the knowledge of predicting events.

In the end - allah knows best -
if these come true, it means allah warned us. if don't, we loose nothing.

`asiya
23-08-08, 11:08 AM
these were the things i once had interest in. i still have but very little because now i am into something else. the reason i post it is to prove two points.

1. Unseen is known by allah alone but he shares his knowledge with the people of all classes, religions, and regions. and this unseen knowledge, when descends from the loh-e-mahfooz/tablets/akashic records to us, is no more considered 'unseen'.

There exist innumerable no. of timelines, all with 100% probability to become a reality. our choices make any probable future to become our real future.

But allah knows what our choices will be and thus what our future is. Some of us are given 'probable future' glimpses. some of us are given the 'real future'. the exact purpose is known to allah but my opinion is that allah does so for us to believe in him, his knowledge and in his ways.

infact everyone of us has the ability to see akashic records but there are barriers and levels which prohibit profane and sinners to have access. the profane then seek the help of disembodied spirits, entities, demons, Jinns etc. but the knowledge they thus get is not the real one. according to the capacity and access of these beings, they can only see some probable future timelines which may or maynot become a reality.

Therefore, it is prohibited in islam to consult medium, channelers and magicians. because if we do consult such people, we then formulate our decisions on faulty information, which can result into evil/wrong deeds.

The rabbis of old, the christian mystics, the shamans, the lamas of old, the sufi saints have much greater access (according to their capacity). some announce it, some don't.

2. The time of trials, wars, famine, plagues and great miracles are coming. We are going to see some, our children are going to experience them. so, it is necessary for all of us to be aware of these events so that when the time comes, we or our children can decide between right and wrong. Maybe this is the reason God has given some of us the knowledge of predicting events.

In the end - allah knows best -
if these come true, it means allah warned us. if don't, we loose nothing.

"disembodied spirits" :0: "rabbis shamans and lamas have greater access" to the unseen ? :confused: is this something to do with this "Naimat Ullah Wali" bloke ur into ? u an Ahmadiyya ?

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 11:22 AM
disembodied spirits" "rabbis shamans and lamas have greater access" to the unseen ? is this something to do with this "Naimat Ullah Wali" bloke ur into ? u an Ahmadiyya ?

this doesn't deserve an answer but ...once and for all...
"La-Illaha-illalah, muhammad rasool-allah".
i am not ahmadi/qadiani.

`asiya
23-08-08, 11:27 AM
this doesn't deserve an answer but ...once and for all...
"La-Illaha-illalah, muhammad rasool-allah".
i am not ahmadi/qadiani.

it doesnt ? :confused: well ur post didnt make sense, and u posted ahemidiyya stuff before about the "predictions" of this naimat ullah wali bloke , and there are no such thing as "disembodied spirits" , so i dunno what ur on about. and who is "mother shipton" anyway and why do we care about her "claims" sorry but im not understanding the point of this thread, or your explanation of it.

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 11:51 AM
if you don't know why are you posting?

why do we care
read all the posts.

naimat ullah wali bloke
Don't disrespect him. he was a wali and a great sufi.


its not ahmadia stuff as far as i am aware of. they don't have anything as such and if they do, it can't be original. can't be. satan is a copy cat so are his followers.

usman3
23-08-08, 12:05 PM
these were the things i once had interest in. i still have but very little because now i am into something else. the reason i post it is to prove two points.



1. Unseen is known by allah alone but he shares his knowledge with the people of all classes, religions, and regions. and this unseen knowledge, when descends from the loh-e-mahfooz/tablets/akashic records to us, is no more considered 'unseen'.

There exist innumerable no. of timelines, all with 100% probability to become a reality. our choices make any probable future to become our real future.

But allah knows what our choices will be and thus what our future is. Some of us are given 'probable future' glimpses. some of us are given the 'real future'. the exact purpose is known to allah but my opinion is that allah does so for us to believe in him, his knowledge and in his ways.

infact everyone of us has the ability to see akashic records but there are barriers and levels which prohibit profane and sinners to have access. the profane then seek the help of disembodied spirits, entities, demons, Jinns etc. but the knowledge they thus get is not the real one. according to the capacity and access of these beings, they can only see some probable future timelines which may or maynot become a reality.

Therefore, it is prohibited in islam to consult medium, channelers and magicians. because if we do consult such people, we then formulate our decisions on faulty information, which can result into evil/wrong deeds. (The medium is the one who seek the help of some entity. the real ones doesn't need any entity because their own soul is free to browse the records).

The rabbis of old, the christian mystics, the shamans, the lamas of old, the sufi saints have much greater access (according to their capacity). some announce it, some don't.




2. The time of trials, wars, famine, plagues and great miracles is coming. We are going to see some, our children are going to experience them. so, it is necessary for all of us to be aware of these events so that when the time comes, we or our children can decide between right and wrong. Maybe this is the reason God has given some of us the knowledge of predicting events.

In the end - allah knows best -
if these come true, it means allah warned us. if don't, we loose nothing.

qalandarbaba i know exactly what you are saying but i have to disagree.

Why is it that none of the Sahaba (ra) and Pious Predecessors did not become as you describe, as in great Mystics, Esoterics, Healers and Saints ? They were the best of generations from our Ummah, they did not engage in this stuff, why?

What your Sufi saints "see" is actually no different from what a Christian who experiences the "Holy Spirit" - they are not experiencing anything godly or holy from Allah, rather they are experiencing a certain type of the Jinn which deludes them and leads them further astray.

Just as humans there are ranks, so with the Jinn there are some Jinn who are more "good" than others, they may even be believers in Allah, and yet sinners because for them to even access the human world is a big sin.

So im sorry to say bro, but your Sheikhs and Sufi Saints are involved in a type of sorcery - which may not be as Dark as the Satanists and Masons and other serious practitioners of black magic but it is still trying to tell the future and engaging the spirit world which is completely and totally forbidden in Islam.

You are not even allowed to read Horrorscopes, let alone believe that your Sheikhs have ilm of the unseen and timelines to the future - you (and probably your sheikh too) are being fooled by the Jinn, in false dreams and visions.

The only people given some knowledge of the unseen were the Prophets and Messengers (pbuh) and even then in varying degrees.

You tell me which Rabbi, or Holyman has even made a string of accurate predictions?? Especially after the era of the Prophet (saw) ??

This is why Allah (swt) condemns the bani Israel, and says in the Quran "They took their Rabbis as their Lords", and thats what your doing bro (wether you know it or not) you are taking your Sheikhs as your Awaliya.

Allah (azza wa jal) alone has the Knowledge of the Unseen.

Stay away from these cults and bidah, no matter how "righteous" they look from the outside. These people are forerunners to the Dajjal Rasulallah (saw) warned us about, and they will drag you down with them.

AbuMubarak
23-08-08, 12:28 PM
qalandarb:

You've demonstrated quite an interest in some of the more esoteric strands of Westerns mysticism. I would advise caution. I am a little superstitious and its probably just nonsense- but some of it is quite dark and I think perhaps you are best not filling your head with such things. :)from the mouths of the kuffar, at times come truth

thank you morris


qalandarbaba97
my goodness, whats with this hokey pokey stuff

just for your info, there are all types of unseen things going on, and some of it is true

but the question must be asked why?

because in essence, you will only be getting your head into stuff that you cannot really fathom, its mysterious and will pique your curiosity

but in the end, it can easily lead to your destruction

so why bother?

shaytan is a professional, you are not even a novice

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 12:56 PM
Why is it that none of the Sahaba (ra) and Pious Predecessors did not become as you describe,
This will trun into a never ending argument war. i am sorry but i don't have to stomach for it.

the science of soul or the mystical Kowledge was passed from the Prophet PBUH to Hazrat Abu-Bakr, hazrat Ali, and some others. they kept it a secret and transferred to those who had the ability to understand and thus act on it. this has been the tradition so far.

Holy Spirit
As far as my understanding goes, you are refering to trinity. its just the terms or the translation which confuse them. Father was God, Jesus was his son in a sense that we all have souls created by God and so we all are his sons and daughters. Holy Ghost was the angel Gabriel who brought messages.

for them to even access the human world is a big sin
I am not aware of this.
they live with us. its just that they vibrate at a rate which is different from our conscious. if we increase our vibration, we can see them.

From the Prophet's narrations and the incidents that has been recorded, we are told that if a human kills them when they are in the form of dangerous animals, then jinns can't prosecute us or punish us.

involved in a type of sorcery
Its just your misunderstanding

to tell the future
they can if they choose so because they have access to Loh-e-mahfooz and they get their access through our Prophet Muhammad PBUH.

Horrorscopes
my answer will lead us to those who spreaded such doctrines and then i'll be accused of slandering. so i refrain myself.

there are many types of tools available to us to use them. it depends on our intentions. music, astrology, astronomy and many others are considered the 'tools' that can be used for good as well as for bad deeds.

are being fooled by the Jinn
what can i say! :)
i think we all need to increase our understanding

after the era of the Prophet (saw) ??
there are many many people who did. i just posted two.

divine knowledge is HIS to distribute and we have no say in this matter. if you believe in it, there's nothing to loose but something to gain.

the times that are ahead will be so troublesome that people will have no idea what the people of the past believed. analyse the hadith of end time and you'll notice that people are going to be so troubled/deceived that they will even accept such claims as the dajjal being GOD. do you think WE muslims, christians or orthodox Jews are going to accept it? they will.

This is not an instant phenomena. There is no such thing as 'instant'. there's always a process. slow or fast, there's always a process of rise and fall of nations, religions etc.

point is, that people remember predictions and prophecies and once something happens, then they can recall that they have read or heard such and such. this 'recall' help them make decisions.

You are going to say that if we follow prophet PBUH's prophecies, we can't be led astry. sure! we can't be. but i am sure we already have forgotten a lot. Its out there but there are very few who search it. most of us follow few primary beliefs and other than that we know nothing. look around as an observer and you'll know what i am saying.

do you think the condition is gonna get better?
I don't think so!

They took their Rabbis as their Lords
if they did they did wrong.
i know who my guide is and where he's going to take me.
there's a clear sketch in my mind to who allah is, who Muhammad Saw is and who my teacher and guide is.

Allah (azza wa jal) alone has the Knowledge of the Unseen
agree but Allah is free to distribute it. He has a system and if you are pious enough, worthy enough, and interested enough, you can have your share as much as allah wishes.

Stay away from these cults and bidah
Again, i did enough research to know what a cult is and what actually bida'a is. its just that i don't follow 'popular' speakers and don't idolise anyone from past or present. we are humans, we are here to make mistakes and to learn from them. 'scholar's' mistake is very much grave in consequences and today's ummah is the proof of this.

not matter how "righteous" they look from the outside.
There are certain truths and one who is seeking them can identify the truths. a real seeker, cannot be mislead for a long time. for it is divine help that is always with him as long as he keep his eyes, ears and mind open and as long as he's not idolising someone.

May allah bless us all with understanding and with wisdom.

AbuMubarak
23-08-08, 01:00 PM
where do you get this from?

the science of soul or the mystical Kowledge was passed from the Prophet PBUH to Hazrat Abu-Bakr, hazrat Ali, and some others. they kept it a secret and transferred to those who had the ability to understand and thus act on it. this has been the tradition so far.

qalandarbaba97
23-08-08, 01:00 PM
shaytan is a professional, you are not even a novice

i agree.:) universal truth !

btw, is there anything to loose by believing in hocus-pocus:) as you put it?
what's is there that is let's say, 'trash' and why do you think it to be trash? are you sure?

where do you get this from?
like i said, this will get us into never-ending arguments. so let's just say, i believe it to be the case. you are free NOT to believe it.

AbuMubarak
23-08-08, 01:25 PM
you make a claim about the Prophet, and his companions, and when asked, your only response is that you believe it?

i will give you one more chance to give something, anything, where you got that from

AbuMubarak
23-08-08, 01:43 PM
sorry, but until you can provide daleel behind that claim, that claim will be looked at as purporting a lie against Allah's Messenger and His companions