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neelu
15-07-08, 04:18 PM
Salam,

I wouldn't be surprised if this sort of poll has been made before but I dunno so I'm gonna make this one. Okay from what I can tell, there are two points of view on this:

- that 19 Muslim guys hijacked planes and flew them into buildings

- that it was an inside job by the US who demolished the twin towers for political reasons to justify their change in foreign policy (ie invading Afghanistan etc)

Qiyas
15-07-08, 04:23 PM
:salams:

How can you have a post like this, and not mention the Zionists ?

$HugoBoss$
15-07-08, 05:02 PM
Bin laden and a few american traitors who he worked with when he was being trained by the cia or whatever.

It was a combination of everything, not one party can be blamed for it.

Kasim2k7
15-07-08, 05:03 PM
qiyas said it

-Shamil-
16-07-08, 12:18 AM
the russian mafia

qalandarbaba97
16-07-08, 04:28 AM
Bin laden and a few american traitors who he worked with when he was being trained by the cia or whatever.
Find a Documentary called "911 In Plane Site". Don't look at the reviews and labels given by the websites. Watch it. I've seen many many documentaries and read articles and books but none can be compared to this single docu.

Also, if you can find, take a look at documentaries on 'controlled demolition'. then look for who were the incharge of security of towers at that time. then look at who owned the lease and what benefit he reaped. Finally take a close look at the wtc7's demolition. wtc7 was never hit by a plane. out of the blue, it came down. but maybe you only just need to hear the remarks of the lease owner about wtc 7. and there was no plane at penta-zion.

In short, a scam to start a genocide of Innocent Afghans, Iraqis and Pakistanis. It seems that zionists are planning another terror attack to blame it on iranians or syrians or on some groups to create a pretext to close down the mosques, dawaa, publications, charities etc. etc.

I am not a fan of Bin laden but in my opinion, 911 was a zionist job.

ibnmuadh
16-07-08, 04:31 AM
Assalamu alaykum. U all got it wrong. Boss, Usama was never trained by the CIA, however ofcourse spies are of great importance. Usama Bin Laden is behind it. Have a ride
http://www.box.net/shared/5mmsybl8gw#

Abu Mus'ab
16-07-08, 09:09 AM
Bin laden and a few american traitors who he worked with when he was being trained by the cia or whatever.

It was a combination of everything, not one party can be blamed for it.
You know i honestly feel like kicking people who speak nonsense like this.

I really hope you lot know that you will answer to Allah on the day of qiyamah for this lies you spread about him.

ibnmuadh
16-07-08, 09:21 AM
You know i honestly feel like kicking people who speak nonsense like this.

I really hope you lot know that you will answer to Allah on the day of qiyamah for this lies you spread about him.

:aku_astaghfirullah:...I spoke only from what I saw and read ...all with nothing to prove otherwise from his media.

MrOnline
16-07-08, 09:25 AM
You know i honestly feel like kicking people who speak nonsense like this.

I really hope you lot know that you will answer to Allah on the day of qiyamah for this lies you spread about him.

Chilaxx dude!

Hugo you should know better, if you are in doubt you shouldn't be posting. Like Abu Musab so clearly puts it "you will answer to Allah on the day of Qiyamah"; you'd better be safe than sorry.

xXmahboobaXx
16-07-08, 09:45 AM
i saw on the conspricy programme that it was pllanned by bush.. and also i heard soemthing else and i was sooo shoked... but it sounded about right to me...basicaly... on that day... NO jew was in the twin towers coz someone told ALL of them that, on that day... it was a day off for them..maybe they had a religous festival?? i dno! but bush has some jewish background...and ALSO on that day... apparently all the jews crdit cards got stopped or blocked for some really wierd reason! hhhmm... very suspicious! :0:

But ALLAH knows best!

Abu Mus'ab
16-07-08, 09:46 AM
:aku_astaghfirullah:...I spoke only from what I saw and read ...all with nothing to prove otherwise from his media.
I wasn't referring to you, i was referring to the people who say he was trained by the cia, recieved money and weapons from them and so on.

Allah says that if a faasiq comes with news then verify it, so what not when a kaafir comes with news? and the worst part of it all is when those people reject bin ladins words when he says neither he nor the mujahideen took anything from the cia, and on top of that they follow what some alcoholic kaafir in the west says, this is kufr because they are willingly going against Allah's commands.

Note: hugo before you think i'm posting all this about you think again, all the "you's" were general.

Abu Mus'ab
16-07-08, 09:52 AM
Chilaxx dude!

Hugo you should know better, if you are in doubt you shouldn't be posting. Like Abu Musab so clearly puts it "you will answer to Allah on the day of Qiyamah"; you'd better be safe than sorry.
I am 'chillaxed', if i was angry then flames would be flying by now.

Slot
16-07-08, 09:04 PM
If a Muslim says he did something than you trust his word. If Usama ibn Ladin says he trained 19 men to fly planes into buildings, then you should take him at his word. If he DID NOT, then you had better look elsewhere. I have seen Ayman Zawhiri say it, but never a credible video with Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin saying 'Yes we did it.'

Regulus de Leo
16-07-08, 09:39 PM
If a Muslim says he did something than you trust his word. If Usama ibn Ladin says he trained 19 men to fly planes into buildings, then you should take him at his word. If he DID NOT, then you had better look elsewhere. I have seen Ayman Zawhiri say it, but never a credible video with Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin saying 'Yes we did it.'

Zawhiri speaks for OBL and Al Qaeda.

Why would anyone trust someone's word based on their religion? Human beings lie all the time. They are weak and liars and hypocrites love to adopt religion to enable their deceptions. This is a very silly rule to live by.

Slot
16-07-08, 09:43 PM
Zawhiri speaks for OBL and Al Qaeda.

Why would anyone trust someone's word based on their religion? Human beings lie all the time. They are weak and liars and hypocrites love to adopt religion to enable their deceptions. This is a very silly rule to live by.

You do not know the history of Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin obviously. Only what you were force fed by Fox News while watching those images of the towers over and over. I trust any Muslim unless I am given reason not to.

and I don't know enough about Zawahiri to say he speaks for Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin, but it is mysterious he has never said it himself.

Regulus de Leo
16-07-08, 09:55 PM
I trust any Muslim unless I am given reason not to.

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That's what is called a prejudice: like clannishness or tribal preferences. It makes no sense whatsoever but it's interesting to anthropologists.

jazzyrebel
16-07-08, 10:04 PM
Assalam o alaikum..
n whoever thinks it was an American inside Job is Living on fools island though!!
Alhamdulillah...After 9/11 America n All non muslim nations gathered n now we can fight them...cuz before that...they were slaughtering us...by other means...,so as to kill the snake..we always has to make him come out of his **** hole...
n We know very much..That...Mujhahideen were very much capable of carrying out the blessed raids of manhaten city,
so..as to conclude...whoever was this idiot n ignorant muslim who started this pollin shud quit immidiately...
n repent..
WE ALL KNOW 9/11 is correct by our hearts...because...Islam..says..continue your raid..on he very aspects of your enemy and show them ..the way...in which they have hurt you and attacked you....no one said a word...when america blew off nuclear on nagasaki n heroshima and killed more than 3 lac people..
no one said a word..when Muhammad adurrah was martyred on the road of palestine...with his young brother..n they were unarmed...
everyone has seen...our muslim sisters being raped in iraq,kashmir ,filisteen, and afghanistan,,,
remind you...If we have to kill all man..on earth just to save one womans honor..its HALAL...n there is a Thwab..in it..
read Quran..n sunnah..before you people start polling like this...
it makes u seem idiots..!!!

Joha
16-07-08, 10:09 PM
Alhamdulillah...After 9/11 America n All non muslim nations gathered n now we can fight them...cuz before that...they were slaughtering us...by other means...,so as to kill the snake..we always has to make him come out of his **** hole...

look sunshine,

I don't know what they've achieved other than hundreds of thousands (of Muslims) dead in Afghanistan and Iraq, men, women and children and the capture of oil fields by the Americans along with strategic bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

If that's what you call victory then you may need a reality check. Oh, and add to that re-reading the Qur'an, that may help :rolleyes:

Slot
16-07-08, 10:28 PM
That's what is called a prejudice: like clannishness or tribal preferences. It makes no sense whatsoever but it's interesting to anthropologists.

Its what we're told to do.

Slot
16-07-08, 10:30 PM
look sunshine,

I don't know what they've achieved other than hundreds of thousands (of Muslims) dead in Afghanistan and Iraq, men, women and children and the capture of oil fields by the Americans along with strategic bases in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

If that's what you call victory then you may need a reality check. Oh, and add to that re-reading the Qur'an, that may help :rolleyes:

We shouldn't question the reaction of the Kuffar, only if the act is Halal or not. If a kafir says he will kill you if you pray, you had better still pray.

Look how many Muslims who have converted and learned about Islam thru those attacks if you need to find good in it. You are talking to one of them.

Regulus de Leo
16-07-08, 11:07 PM
Look how many Muslims who have converted and learned about Islam thru those attacks if you need to find good in it. You are talking to one of them.

Was that plan of the Mossad?
I wonder how many people were turned off by those attacks and left Islam because of them? Probably more people than those who came to Islam. In fact, public opiniion in the Muslim world is turning against fundamentalism, jihad and Al Qaeda. Too many dead Muslms. The lunacy of suicide bombers. The use of children and mentally disabled as suicide bombers. It's not a great way to promote a religion is it?

Slot
16-07-08, 11:31 PM
Was that plan of the Mossad?
I wonder how many people were turned off by those attacks and left Islam because of them? Probably more people than those who came to Islam. In fact, public opiniion in the Muslim world is turning against fundamentalism, jihad and Al Qaeda. Too many dead Muslms. The lunacy of suicide bombers. The use of children and mentally disabled as suicide bombers. It's not a great way to promote a religion is it?

Thats a gigantic lie that is unverified. Your governments are weak and flimsy. Islam is growing faster than ever before, 9/11 was dawa for sure regardless of how you feel about the attacks it got the name of Islam out. Many many many people knew NOTHING of Islam before 9/11 and you cannot argue against that. You show me who left Islam after 9/11 because of it and I will show you 100 maybe even 1000 people that joined in each of their places.

Maureen
17-07-08, 01:08 AM
It beats me how anyone could think that the attacks were authorised by anyone than OBL, when he himself came on Arab TV saying he had authorised it, (sub-titles for me)

Are some of you saying that those sub-titles were fraudelent?

Um_yusuf
17-07-08, 01:31 AM
It beats me how anyone could think that the attacks were authorised by anyone than OBL, when he himself came on Arab TV saying he had authorised it, (sub-titles for me)

Are some of you saying that those sub-titles were fraudelent?

you know , the guys at hollywood can do all sorts of amazing things on tv these days:rolleyes:

Slot
17-07-08, 01:47 AM
you know , the guys at hollywood can do all sorts of amazing things on tv these days:rolleyes:

That is a reach. There would have been a video out by now denying it has it been falsely attributed.

Regulus de Leo
17-07-08, 02:04 AM
Thats a gigantic lie that is unverified. Your governments are weak and flimsy. Islam is growing faster than ever before, 9/11 was dawa for sure regardless of how you feel about the attacks it got the name of Islam out. Many many many people knew NOTHING of Islam before 9/11 and you cannot argue against that. You show me who left Islam after 9/11 because of it and I will show you 100 maybe even 1000 people that joined in each of their places.

If 9/11 was a reason to join Islam isn't that awfully sad?

Regulus de Leo
17-07-08, 02:04 AM
It beats me how anyone could think that the attacks were authorised by anyone than OBL, when he himself came on Arab TV saying he had authorised it, (sub-titles for me)

Are some of you saying that those sub-titles were fraudelent?

It's called 'denial.' The moon landings were also fakes and Elvis is still alive!

Slot
17-07-08, 02:06 AM
If 9/11 was a reason to join Islam isn't that awfully sad?

No. Good from everything is from Allah(swt). Allah is most merciful most beneficent and has mercy upon his slave. 9/11 was my reason for getting interested, joining the USAF PJ's and my subsequent leaving from the ranks of the kuffar for the ranks of the mum'in :ahb:.

Regulus de Leo
17-07-08, 02:14 AM
No. Good from everything is from Allah(swt).


Cool, so the Crusader invasions were from Allah and must be good too. Got it!

Slot
17-07-08, 02:15 AM
Cool, so the Crusader invasions were from Allah and must be good too. Got it!

I said everything good.

Regulus de Leo
17-07-08, 02:16 AM
I said everything good.

So 9/11 being the murder of innocent people was 'good' in your books and therefore from Allah. Right.

Omar Mukhtar
17-07-08, 02:26 AM
So 9/11 being the murder of innocent people was 'good' in your books and therefore from Allah. Right.

Not good for them.

jazzyrebel
17-07-08, 02:26 AM
regulus le deo...and Joha...
U need to get out of here....because you are looking forward to change or interrupt muslims...and thier theories...we even need to to describe you ,if it is true or not...
and i have seen you reasoning...you people are just talking on non factual things...
i have seen non muslims...with great knowledge and still i was able to beat them back with there **** faces down...
so...when you have got only examples f movies and graphics...you can run out of here...just like when i say Hush hush!!!

Regulus de Leo
17-07-08, 02:29 AM
regulus le deo...and Joha...
U need to get out of here....because you are looking forward to change or interrupt muslims...and thier theories...we even need to to describe you ,if it is true or not...
and i have seen you reasoning...you people are just talking on non factual things...
i have seen non muslims...with great knowledge and still i was able to beat them back with there **** faces down...
so...when you have got only examples f movies and graphics...you can run out of here...just like when i say Hush hush!!!

Your post is incomprehensible. You need to rewrite and use spellcheck.

Slot
17-07-08, 02:40 AM
Your post is incomprehensible. You need to rewrite and use spellcheck.

His spelling is fine, his grammar may suffer but let me translate...

Leave.

Slot
17-07-08, 02:40 AM
So 9/11 being the murder of innocent people was 'good' in your books and therefore from Allah. Right.

Good came from it.

Um_yusuf
17-07-08, 02:47 AM
That is a reach. There would have been a video out by now denying it has it been falsely attributed.

there have been claims that these OBL videos are false

qalandarbaba97
17-07-08, 02:47 AM
Cool, so the Crusader invasions were from Allah and must be good too. Got it!
I think he means that this event resulted into some good too. and yes, ofcourse. i believe that nothing happens out of the blue and everything that happens is authorised. its just that sometimes we cannot understand how small events fit into grand plan.

There's an example: Satan asked Allah's authorisation before punishing/testing Prophet Yaqoob A.S.

Slot
17-07-08, 03:47 AM
there have been claims that these OBL videos are false

By Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin?

Abu Mus'ab
17-07-08, 07:19 AM
You do not know the history of Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin obviously. Only what you were force fed by Fox News while watching those images of the towers over and over. I trust any Muslim unless I am given reason not to.

and I don't know enough about Zawahiri to say he speaks for Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin, but it is mysterious he has never said it himself.
I know more about the mujahideen than the majority of people on this forum put together, i'm yet to see one video, one audio, or one article where he denies responsibility for it, obviously he's not the type to brag and say "yes i done it, i'm the mastermind behind it all, it was all my plan hahahahahahaha" *Roll Eyes*

hmmmm i wonder if the 9/11 anniversary videos of as sahab are still on the archive...

neelu
17-07-08, 11:47 AM
Assalam o alaikum..
That...Mujhahideen were very much capable of carrying out the blessed raids of manhaten city,


WS,

Lol@ 'blessed raids'- what have you been smoking?:rubeyes:


so..as to conclude...whoever was this idiot n ignorant muslim who started this pollin shud quit immidiately...
n repent..


Repentance is for sins- not for asking questions:rolleyes:

You show me who left Islam after 9/11 because of it and I will show you 100 maybe even 1000 people that joined in each of their places.

That's true; whether Muslims rejoiced or abhorred the attacks, people weren't leaving Islam over it yet we came across loads of new Muslim converts in the aftermath alhamdullilah.

It beats me how anyone could think that the attacks were authorised by anyone than OBL, when he himself came on Arab TV saying he had authorised it, (sub-titles for me)

Are some of you saying that those sub-titles were fraudelent?

Yeah whether a person blames OBL for this or not, there's good reason to believe that video was a fake. There used to be a website some time ago which made a comparison between that and other Osama videos and the contrast was huge. They put a blurry camera in the room in which a man with a big beard was talking whereas you've seen whenever Osama has tried to make a speech to the public, his face appears very clearly and close up. Another thing was that the bearded man in the 'confession' video was wearing a gold ring, which is haraam for Muslims to wear and Osama would never have worn such a thing. That analysis was enough to convince me that the video was fake.

Joha
17-07-08, 11:58 AM
Good came from it.

But good comes from everything, that doesn't mean it was right.

I mean many of you were against the invasion of Iraq (I still am), but a good did come from it. That imbecile Saddam Hussain is gone.

The act itself is what was wrong, how can you possibly justify, Islamically, an attack like that? Or the similar attack on the London Underground?

Slot
17-07-08, 12:45 PM
But good comes from everything, that doesn't mean it was right.

I mean many of you were against the invasion of Iraq (I still am), but a good did come from it. That imbecile Saddam Hussain is gone.

The act itself is what was wrong, how can you possibly justify, Islamically, an attack like that? Or the similar attack on the London Underground?

Exactly, my posts before that were saying

'However you feel about the attacks, whatever good came from them was from Allah and there was good that came from them'

I'm sure there have been numerous threads showing the justification that the mujaheddin used, I'm not going to post it again right now.

Abu Mus'ab
17-07-08, 12:55 PM
WS,

Lol@ 'blessed raids'- what have you been smoking?:rubeyes:



Repentance is for sins- not for asking questions:rolleyes:



That's true; whether Muslims rejoiced or abhorred the attacks, people weren't leaving Islam over it yet we came across loads of new Muslim converts in the aftermath alhamdullilah.



Yeah whether a person blames OBL for this or not, there's good reason to believe that video was a fake. There used to be a website some time ago which made a comparison between that and other Osama videos and the contrast was huge. They put a blurry camera in the room in which a man with a big beard was talking whereas you've seen whenever Osama has tried to make a speech to the public, his face appears very clearly and close up. Another thing was that the bearded man in the 'confession' video was wearing a gold ring, which is haraam for Muslims to wear and Osama would never have worn such a thing. That analysis was enough to convince me that the video was fake.
It was blurry yet you could make out that the ring was gold? :rubeyes:

Slot
17-07-08, 12:57 PM
The ring isn't Gold I don't think... You will see this ring on other Mujaheddin and Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin is wearing it on other occasions. I'm still not sure what it is.

Abu Mus'ab
17-07-08, 01:25 PM
The ring isn't Gold I don't think... You will see this ring on other Mujaheddin and Shaykh Usama ibn Ladin is wearing it on other occasions. I'm still not sure what it is.
Is it bronze?

Can you give me alink to a picture or video or somethign so i can see this supposed gold ring? :rubeyes:

Slot
17-07-08, 01:28 PM
Is it bronze?

Can you give me alink to a picture or video or somethign so i can see this supposed gold ring? :rubeyes:

Not from where I currently am. Insha'Allah in about 10 hours. I think it might show in the last video in 'Jihadi Nasheeds'

jazzyrebel
17-07-08, 05:48 PM
I know more about the mujahideen than the majority of people on this forum put together, i'm yet to see one video, one audio, or one article where he denies responsibility for it, obviously he's not the type to brag and say "yes i done it, i'm the mastermind behind it all, it was all my plan hahahahahahaha" *Roll Eyes*

hmmmm i wonder if the 9/11 anniversary videos of as sahab are still on the archive...

Alhamdulilah, abu mus'ab has given a very true statement.

Omar Mukhtar
18-07-08, 11:41 PM
i'm yet to see one video, one audio, or one article where he denies responsibility for it

Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks

Quote from article:

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle.

You can read rest of interview from article pasted below.

The Al-Qaidah group had nothing to do with the 11 September attacks on the USA, according to Usama bin Ladin in an interview with the Pakistani newspaper Ummat. Usama bin Ladin went on to suggest that Jews or US secret services were behind the attacks, and to express gratitude and support for Pakistan, urging Pakistan’s people to jihad against the West. The following is the text of an interview conducted by a "special correspondent", published in the Pakistani newspaper Ummat on 28 September, place and date of interview not given.

UMMAT: You have been accused of involvement in the attacks in New York and Washington. What do you want to say about this? If you are not involved, who might be?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In the name of Allah (God), the most beneficent, the most merciful. Praise be to Allah, Who is the creator of the whole universe and Who made the Earth as an abode for peace, for the whole humankind. Allah is the Sustainer, who sent Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) for our guidance. I am thankful to the Ummat Group of Publications, which gave me the opportunity to convey my viewpoint to the people, particularly the valiant and momin (true Muslim) people of Pakistan who refused to believe the lies of the demon (Pakistani military dictator General Pervez Musharraf).

I have already said that I am not involved in the 11 September attacks in the United States. As a Muslim, I try my best to avoid telling a lie. I had no knowledge of these attacks, nor do I consider the killing of innocent women, children and other humans as an appreciable act. Islam strictly forbids causing harm to innocent women, children and other people. Such a practice is forbidden even in the course of a battle. It is the United States, which is perpetrating every maltreatment on women, children and common people of other faiths, particularly the followers of Islam. All that is going on in Palestine for the last 11 months is sufficient to call the wrath of God upon the United States and Israel. There is also a warning for those Muslim countries, which witnessed all these as a silent spectator. What had earlier been done to the innocent people of Iraq, Chechnya and Bosnia? Only one conclusion could be derived from the indifference of the United States and the West to these acts of terror and the patronage of the tyrants by these powers that America is an anti-Islamic power and it is patronizing the anti-Islamic forces. Its friendship with the Muslim countries is just a show, rather deceit. By enticing or intimidating these countries, the United States is forcing them to play a role of its choice. Put a glance all around and you will see that the slaves of the United States are either rulers or enemies of Muslims.

The U.S. has no friends, nor does it want to keep any because the prerequisite of friendship is to come to the level of the friend or consider him at par with you. America does not want to see anyone equal to it. It expects slavery from others. Therefore, other countries are either its slaves or subordinates. However, our case is different. We have pledged slavery to God Almighty alone and after this pledge there is no possibility to become the slave of someone else. If we do that it will be disregardful to both our Sustainer and his fellow beings. Most of the world nations upholding their freedom are the religious ones, which are the enemies of the United States, or the U.S. itself considers them as its enemies.

The countries which do not agree to become the U.S. slaves are China, Iran, Libya, Cuba, Syria [Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Iraq, Sudan, Indonesia, Malaysia] and Russia. Whoever committed the act of 11 September are not the friends of the American people. I have already said that we are against the American system, not against its people, whereas in these attacks, the common American people have been killed. According to my information, the death toll is much higher than what the U.S. Government has stated. But the Bush Administration does not want the panic to spread. The United States should try to trace the perpetrators of these attacks within itself; the people who are a part of the U.S. system, but are dissenting against it. Or those who are working for some other system; persons who want to make the present century as a century of conflict between Islam and Christianity so that their own civilization, nation, country, or ideology could survive. They can be anyone, from Russia to Israel and from India to Serbia. In the U.S. itself, there are dozens of well-organized and well-equipped groups, which are capable of causing a large-scale destruction. Then you cannot forget the American-Jews, who are annoyed with President Bush ever since the elections in Florida and want to avenge him.

Then there are intelligence agencies in the U.S., which require billions of dollars worth of funds from the Congress and the government every year. This [funding issue] was not a big problem till the existence of the former Soviet Union but after that the budget of these agencies has been in danger. They needed an enemy. So, they first started propaganda against Usama and Taleban and then this incident happened. You see, the Bush Administration approved a budget of 40 billion dollars. Where will this huge amount go? It will be provided to the same agencies, which need huge funds and want to exert their importance. Now they will spend the money for their expansion and for increasing their importance. I will give you an example. Drug smugglers from all over the world are in contact with the U.S. secret agencies. These agencies do not want to eradicate narcotics cultivation and trafficking because their importance will be diminished. The people in the U.S. Drug Enforcement Department are encouraging drug trade so that they could show performance and get millions of dollars worth of budget. General Noriega was made a drug baron by the CIA and, in need, he was made a scapegoat. In the same way, whether it is President Bush or any other U.S. President, they cannot bring Israel to justice for its human rights abuses or to hold it accountable for such crimes. What is this? Is it not that there exists a government within the government in the United Sates? That secret government must be asked as to who carried out the attacks.

UMMAT: A number of world countries have joined the call of the United States for launching attacks on Afghanistan. These also include a number of Muslim countries. Will Al-Qa'idah declare a jihad against these Islamic countries as well?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I must say that my duty is just to awaken the Muslims; to tell them as to what is good for them and what is not. What does Islam say and what do the enemies of Islam want. Al-Qa'idah was set up to wage a jihad against infidelity, particularly to counter the onslaught of the infidel countries against the Islamic states. Jihad is the sixth undeclared pillar of Islam. [The first five being the basic holy words of Islam ("There is no god but God and Muhammad is the messenger of God"), prayers, fasting (in Ramadan), pilgrimage to Mecca and giving alms (zakat).] Every anti-Islamic person is afraid of jihad. Al-Qa'idah wants to keep jihad alive and active and make it a part of the daily life of the Muslims. It wants to give it the status of worship. We are not against any Islamic country. We do not consider a war against an Islamic country as jihad. We are in favour of armed jihad only against those infidel governments, which are killing innocent Muslim men, women and children just because they are Muslims. Supporting the U.S. act is the need of some Muslim countries and the compulsion of others. However, they should think as to what will remain of their religious and moral position if they support the attack of the Christians and the Jews on a Muslim country like Afghanistan. The orders of Islamic Shariah [jurisprudence] for such individuals, organizations and countries are clear and all the scholars of the Muslim brotherhood are unanimous on them. We will do the same, which is being ordered by the Ameer-ul-Momeneen [the commander of the faithful] Muhammad Omar [leader of the Taleban] and the Islamic scholars. The hearts of the people of Muslim countries are beating with the call of jihad. We are grateful to them.

UMMAT: The losses caused in the attacks in New York and Washington have proved that giving an economic blow to the U.S. is not too difficult. U.S. experts admit that a few more such attacks can bring down the American economy. Why is Al-Qa'idah not targeting their economic pillars?

USAMA BIN LADEN: I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We are against the [U.S. Government] system, which makes other nations slaves of the United States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic freedom. This system is totally in the control of the American Jews, whose first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is clear that the American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced to live according to the principles and laws laid down by them. So the punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the U.S. is not uttering a single word.

UMMAT: Why is harm not caused to the enemies of Islam through other means, apart from the armed struggle? For instance, urging the Muslims to boycott Western products, banks, shipping lines and TV channels.

USAMA BIN LADEN: The first thing is that Western products could only be boycotted when the Muslim fraternity is fully awakened and organized. Secondly, the Muslim companies should become self-sufficient in producing goods equal to the products of Western companies. Economic boycott of the West is not possible unless economic self-sufficiency is attained and substitute products are brought out. You see that wealth is scattered all across the Muslim World but not a single TV channel has been acquired which can preach Islamic injunctions according to modern requirements and attain an international influence. Muslim traders and philanthropists should make it a point that if the weapon of public opinion is to be used, it is to be kept in the hand. Today's world is of public opinion and the fates of nations are determined through its pressure. Once the tools for building public opinion are obtained, everything that you asked for can be done.

UMMAT: The entire propaganda about your struggle has so far been made by the Western media. But no information is being received from your sources about the network of Al-Qa'idah and its jihadi successes. Would you comment?

USAMA BIN LADEN: In fact, the Western media is left with nothing else. It has no other theme to survive for a long time. Then we have many other things to do. The struggle for jihad and the successes are for the sake of Allah and not to annoy His bondsmen. Our silence is our real propaganda. Rejections, explanations, or corrigendum only waste your time and through them, the enemy wants you to engage in things which are not of use to you. These things are pulling you away from your cause. The Western media is unleashing such a baseless propaganda, which makes us surprise but it reflects on what is in their hearts and gradually they themselves become captive of this propaganda. They become afraid of it and begin to cause harm to themselves. Terror is the most dreaded weapon in modern age and the Western media is mercilessly using it against its own people. It can add fear and helplessness in the psyche of the people of Europe and the United States. It means that what the enemies of the United States cannot do, its media is doing that. You can understand as to what will be the performance of the nation in a war, which suffers from fear and helplessness.

UMMAT: What will be the impact of the freeze of Al-Qa'idah accounts by the U.S.?

USAMA BIN LADEN: God opens up ways for those who work for Him. Freezing of accounts will not make any difference for Al-Qa'idah or other jihad groups. With the grace of Allah, Al-Qa'idah has more than three alternative financial systems, which are all separate and totally independent from each other. This system is operating under the patronage of those who love jihad. What to say of the United States, even the combined world cannot budge these people from their path. These people are not in hundreds but in thousands and millions. Al-Qa'idah comprises of such modern educated youths who are aware of the cracks inside the Western financial system as they are aware of the lines in their hands. These are the very flaws of the Western fiscal system, which are becoming a noose for it and this system could not recuperate in spite of the passage of so many days.

UMMAT: Are there other safe areas other than Afghanistan, where you can continue jihad?

USAMA BIN LADEN: There are areas in all parts of the world where strong jihadi forces are present, from Indonesia to Algeria, from Kabul to Chechnya, from Bosnia to Sudan, and from Burma to Kashmir. Then it is not the problem of my person. I am a helpless fellowman of God, constantly in the fear of my accountability before God. It is not the question of Usama but of Islam and, in Islam too, of jihad. Thanks to God, those waging a jihad can walk today with their heads raised. Jihad was still present when there was no Usama and it will remain as such even when Usama is no longer there. Allah opens up ways and creates loves in the hearts of people for those who walk on the path of Allah with their lives, property and children. Believe it, through jihad, a man gets everything he desires. And the biggest desire of a Muslim is the life after death. Martyrdom is the shortest way of attaining an eternal life.

UMMAT: What do you say about the Pakistan Government policy on Afghanistan attack?

USAMA BIN LADEN: We are thankful to the Momin and valiant people of Pakistan who erected a blockade in front of the evil forces and stood in the first file of battle. Pakistan is a great hope for the Islamic brotherhood. Its people are awakened, organized and rich in the spirit of faith. They backed Afghanistan in its war against the Soviet Union and extended every help to the mojahedeen (freedom fighters) and the Afghan people. Then these are very Pakistanis who are standing shoulder by shoulder with the Taleban. If such people emerge in just two countries, the domination of the West will diminish in a matter of days. Our hearts beat with Pakistan and, God forbid, if a difficult time comes we will protect it with our blood. Pakistan is sacred for us like a place of worship. We are the people of jihad and fighting for the defense of Pakistan is the best of all jihads to us. It does not matter for us as to who reforms Pakistan. The important thing is that the spirit of jihad is alive and stronger in the hearts of the Pakistani people.

Source: Ummat, Urdu-language daily newspaper based in Karachi, Pakistan -
Friday, 28 September 2001 - pages 1, 7.
Source: BBC Monitoring Service.

http://www.911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html

Mullah_Din
19-07-08, 12:27 AM
You know i honestly feel like kicking people who speak nonsense like this.

I really hope you lot know that you will answer to Allah on the day of qiyamah for this lies you spread about him.

I agree with you a 100% and Aameen to your du'aa.

Wassalaam,

Kareem
19-07-08, 04:50 AM
To be honest, I never really cared who did it. Still don't, and it's irrelevant as far as the consequences are concerned. This country has committed thousands of 9/11s.

Now, whoever the perpetrators were, the root cause is one in the same: this country brought it upon itself by wreaking havoc on Muslims pre-9/11 in its incessant quest for financial and political hegemony ever since dropping the atomic bombs on Japan (though more accurately it has always been expansioning, before the Spanish-American war, Mexican-American war, Native-American wars, etc.).

Abu Mus'ab
20-07-08, 10:06 AM
Bin-Ladin Denies Involvement in the 9/11 Attacks

Quote from article:



You can read rest of interview from article pasted below.



http://www.911review.com/articles/usamah/khilafah.html
Save the paki newspapers for people stupid enough to believe it, it's these same supposed newspapers that has said he's died three times already, once from being bombed to death, once from typhoid fever, and once with some liver problem, so really a person who believes one lone unknown paper is really too naive to be caled a human *Roll Eyes*

Omar Mukhtar
20-07-08, 11:24 AM
Save the paki newspapers for people stupid enough to believe it, it's these same supposed newspapers that has said he's died three times already, once from being bombed to death, once from typhoid fever, and once with some liver problem, so really a person who believes one lone unknown paper is really too naive to be caled a human *Roll Eyes*

So what, if it was written by a western newspaper you’d believe it.

What happened to making 70 excuses for our brothers? You haven’t even tried to come up with one but instead want to jump ahead and accuse him of being responsible for the attacks, some brother you are.

Abu Mus'ab
20-07-08, 11:57 AM
So what, if it was written by a western newspaper you’d believe it.

What happened to making 70 excuses for our brothers? You haven’t even tried to come up with one but instead want to jump ahead and accuse him of being responsible for the attacks, some brother you are.
The one who lives in the west and reads stupid western newspapers is none other than yourself.

Before you even knew he existed i already knew about him, so DONT try to argue with me on a topic that you have no knowledge about.

Omar Mukhtar
20-07-08, 12:14 PM
You know you keep saying that, you’re an expert and all yet you ain’t bought no proof to back up what you’re saying.

Your doing exactly what kuffar doing, they usually get one of these so called experts on TV and ask him questions about 9/11 and if he was responsible for 9/11 and they say same thing but with proof. You say you’re an expert why don’t bring us some evidence, and telling us you seen every video or read every article don’t mean nothing it's just words coming out from your mouth which you want everyone to believe.

Joha
20-07-08, 12:21 PM
Gosh you people are sooo confused.

One of you thinks that he didn't do it, that Ayman Zawihiri's the only one who's claimed to do it.

The other believes he didn't do it based on some random interview in a Pakistani newspaper which may or may not be true - but hey, it comes from a Muslim and we should therefore believe it :rolleyes:

Yet another knows through some mythical source that he actually did do it.

And then people have the gall to tell us that we should accept without question a Muslim brother's word. Well, great...

Abu Mus'ab
20-07-08, 12:27 PM
You know you keep saying that, you’re an expert and all yet you ain’t bought no proof to back up what you’re saying.

Your doing exactly what kuffar doing, they usually get one of these so called experts on TV and ask him questions about 9/11 and if he was responsible for 9/11 and they say same thing but with proof. You say you’re an expert why don’t bring us some evidence, and telling us you seen every video or read every article don’t mean nothing it's just words coming out from your mouth which you want everyone to believe.
Are you being paid by america to get me to answer that question?

Joha
20-07-08, 12:28 PM
Are you being paid by america to get me to answer that question?

hey come one, you must agree given how long ago it all happened it's a little cowardly not to take responsibility for what you've done...

Abu Mus'ab
20-07-08, 12:33 PM
Gosh you people are sooo confused.

One of you thinks that he didn't do it, that Ayman Zawihiri's the only one who's claimed to do it.

The other believes he didn't do it based on some random interview in a Pakistani newspaper which may or may not be true - but hey, it comes from a Muslim and we should therefore believe it :rolleyes:

Yet another knows through some mythical source that he actually did do it.

And then people have the gall to tell us that we should accept without question a Muslim brother's word. Well, great...
It comes from a 'supposed' pakistani newspaper, right at the end it says "Source: BBC Monitoring Service."

And last time i looked bbc were not pakistani muslims.

Abu Mus'ab
20-07-08, 12:36 PM
hey come one, you must agree given how long ago it all happened it's a little cowardly not to take responsibility for what you've done...
This forum doesn't allow the stuff to be posted here, so just click this link (http://al-ekhlaas.net/forum/) and go do the necessary searching, it wont take you 2 seconds to find what you're looking for.

Kurd
20-07-08, 07:29 PM
I used to feel sorry for the kaffirs that died in that building but now that america has killed almost a million innocent Iraqis and afghans. I am happy that those kaffirs died on 9/11. Inshallah the Kaffirs will do another inside job and finish 10 more thousand of there own american pigs.

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:12 PM
Alhamdulillah e Mu'izil Islaame Benasre...Wa Muzillishirke Be Qahre...Wa Musarifil Umoor'e Ba'Amre...Wa Mustad'rijil KAAfireen'a Be'MAkr'e...All'azi Qaddaral Iyaama Du'alam Be Ad'Le .....Waja'Alal AAqibatal lil mutaqeena be'fadhl'e ....Wasalatu wasalam ala man aalallaho manaarel islam'e be'saif'e


Bismillah erRahman alrahim..

No matter what happens to me after posting these facts...but , After all, All those ignorant and stupid coward muslims are going to be spanked and slaped and spitted on thier mouths By the will of ALLAH . Insha'ALLAH
brother Abu mus'ab...is exceptional though...

first...i would like you all to search the videos named..."HIGH HOPES 1 and 2"
then refer to the interview of hazrat Osaamah ibn laden hifz ALLAH which he gave just after three months of the two blessed raids..

then open your filthy hearts and stoned eyes and try to read the facts which i give you below...
although...this work of knowledge has been done by Qaidatul Jihad..but..
people who knows only to bark don't have time to search.
simply...JUST GO TO HELL insha'ALLAH all those..who have ever tried to think that 9/11 was an inside job..and ignored the shahada of 19 to 20 Muslim Mujahideen..who were behind the blessed attacks..
wasalam.

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:13 PM
Verily, all praise is due to Allah. We praise Him, seek refuge with Him, and seek
His Forgiveness. We seek refuge with Allah from the evils of our souls and the
mistakes in our actions. Whoever Allah Guides, there is none who can misguide
him, and whoever Allah misguides, there is none who can guide him. And I
testify that there is none worthy of being worshipped except Allah, and I testify
that Muhammad (sallallahu `alayhi wassallam) is his servant and Messenger.

To proceed:

After the 11th of September, the world has been engulfed in the webs of the
conspiracy theorists who have concluded almost unanimously that the attacks on
New York and Washington were an "inside job" perpetrated by the United
States Government. To the general public, the conclusions sounded to be upon
solid grounds especially since the Science of their theories were present.

As time passed, we noticed that those who were clinging firmly to their beloved
conspiracy theorist(s) * such as Alex Jones * were ignoring a vital and direct
confrontation to their opinion. It was this confrontation which shook the
foundations of the conspiracy theories and the only response the theorists and
their vibrant followers had was to label this confrontation as a "CIA plot" or
"Government plan to fool its citizens." Thus they painted the confrontation with
weak arguments in order to continue the road of their theories. This
confrontation which is a thorn on their path, as we know it, is called As-Sahab
Media.

For one to ignore As-Sahab Media whilst clinging onto a theory of the theorist is
imbalance on the scales of justice. This is what we wish to prove in this paper
and its importance and relevance will become clear to you as you turn the pages,
bi idhnillaah. We feel this is an important document for all to read in order to fix
a mistake which many of us hold in our minds as Muslims.

Let me first state for the Kuffaar and Munaafiqeen that read this (just in case the
Zionists or foolish ones try to make up some baseless conclusion) that: (1) I am
not part of As-Sahab Media in any way or form, (2) I don't know anyone from
As-Sahab Media nor anyone that knows their members, (3) All I know of As-
Sahab Media is what I have watched from their videos and read from their
statements and what the Mujaahideen of other groups say about them in their
official releases as well as what the disbelievers say about them in their
documentaries and interviews, (4) I am not part of any Jihaadee group,
movement or organization; I am simply an independent writer who feels that
some ideas need to be clarified.

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Furthermore, I wish to clarify that I am not associated with the United States
Government in any shape or form, and that I am not writing this in their favor.
Verily, my animosity and hatred is towards them, for the sake of Allah, until
they leave the Muslims alone in their affairs and give up their worship of those
besides Allah.

With that said, I will discuss the following:

1. How do we know that As-Sahab Media is authentic and not some CIA plot?

2. How do we know for sure that Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin was behind the
9/11 invasion? How do we answer the conspiracy theories of Alex Jones and
such who say 9/11 was an inside job or that it was done by the Israeli Mossad?

I ask Allah to help me in this endeavor and to help me untie the knot in my
tongue in order to make the reality clear for mankind.

1. How do we know that As-Sahab Media is authentic and not some CIA plot?

As we know, Allah Ta'aala says,


O ye who believe! If a Faasiq comes to you with any news, ascertain the truth,
lest ye harm people unintentionally and afterwards become full of repentance
for what ye have done. (49: 6)

I quote this aayah because I feel this is how we need to approach this subject.

Instead of making evil assumptions and suspicions about a group of Muslims,
we should follow our religion when it comes to its guidelines for following the
stronger evidence. This is because if we don't follow such guidelines, then it is
possible that we fall under those whom Allah said, "lest ye harm people
unintentionally" and perhaps not even repent!

Going back to the subject, let's follow this aayah and speak about the generality
of its guidelines.

Generally speaking, as Muslims, we are supposed to follow our fellow Muslims
who are apparently pious and trustworthy in what they say about certain affairs
which are out of our reach. If a Kaafir says otherwise about the same affair, then
we ignore his claims until it can be proven. If the Kaafir brings credible evidences
against the claim of the Muslims * such as his theories about 9/11 * and the
Muslims [who claimed it] do not respond, then we should still believe in our
brothers until we are able to verify from them (i.e., Muslims) instead of rejecting
the brothers and throwing doubts upon them; we are allowed to still keep those
questions in our minds from the credible evidences of the Kuffaar (or other
Muslims), but we don't use them against our fellow brothers until we verify from
them (in whatever way) and we are clear on their stance. This is because in some
cases, these Muslims will hold back some information from the public for the
benefit of the strategy that is in use by them.

So let's now bring As-Sahab Media into the picture.

Before we filter out a few things, let's briefly discuss who As-Sahab Media is:

1. They are the official media branch of al-Qaa'idah. The quality of their media
first didn't start off too great (but was still good); eventually they became the best
of the best.

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2. Their media consists of (mostly) videos, audios and brief statements.

3. Their media is geared towards reviving the great Sunnah and Fard of Jihaad fe
Sabeelillaah in the Ummah in its purest form * pure from Pride, Nationalism,
Shirk, Democracy, Secularism, Cowardliness, Apostasy, Ignorance and so on.
From what is apparent, they want to revive it both intellectually and spiritually.

4. The majority of their videos show military operations in Afghanistan against
the American/NATO occupation and the Murtadeen who help the Kuffaar.

5. Whatever Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin or Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri (or some
other prominent Mujaahideen) want to say to the public or to a certain group of
people, As-Sahab Media is the mouthpiece.

6. They have made hundreds of videos. Just in 2007 alone, they made over 90
videos; most of them showed the military operations of al-Qaa'idah and Taliban.

With that said, let's go into how we would know their authenticity.

So as I said, we are supposed to follow our fellow Muslims who are apparently
pious and trustworthy in what they say about certain affairs which are out of our
reach.
How do we know that As-Sahab Media is apparently pious?

For a number of reasons:

1. In their videos, they discuss Islaamic issues affecting the Ummah; furthermore
they strictly follow guidelines pertaining to good manners and morals by not
playing any haraam music, showing haraam images (they even black out
women), and so on. In addition, in their talks and speeches, they speak of the
correct `Aqeedah and they don't commit bid'ah or Kufr or Shirk; sure, some
Muslims might disagree with some of their views such as their evidences for
martyrdom operations and invading America - and they can be debated another
time * but generally speaking, there is no apparent evil in what they say. All we
see in their videos is a sincere attempt to revive the love and practice of Jihaad fe
Sabeelillaah so that this Ummah can once again hold the flag of Islaamic glory
and power.

2. As we know, As-Sahab Media is al-Qaa'idah. So when they show videos of
their Mujaahideen fighting * such as Shaykh Abu Yahya Al-Libi, Naasir al-
Qahtaanee, and many others * they are in actuality showing their own fighters

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performing Jihaad. So what do we see from their fighters in regards to apparent
piety? We see the following:

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:15 PM
The love for the Ummah. From what is apparent, they care greatly for the
Ummah and wish to see it leading the world. Some might say that they don't
care about Muslims because they intentionally kill them. My response to this is:
you have to define what you mean by Muslim. If you are referring to those who
help the Kuffaar against the Mujaahideen such as the Afghan Army or the spies
from amongst the population of Afghanistan, then no, by Allah, they are not
Muslims. If you are referring to the civilian population, then no, they don't kill
them intentionally. Sure, it is possible that during an operation, a Muslim civilian
happen to pass by or get in the way, and was killed; but this is not done
intentionally. Our evidence is from their statements and how sincere they are in
them (from quoting the Qur'aan and Sunnah, and clarifying military
operations/mistakes) and their videos where they show that they are about to set
off an IED but don't because a Muslim was passing by. As for 9/11, it is slightly
more complicated as we will discuss later. Their invasion of America, specifically

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the Twin Towers, had a long fiqhi history behind it. Shaykh Usaamah consulted
with quite a few `Ulema regarding doing such an attack; and whether or not we
agree with it, he has his Shari' evidence for doing it and was firm in the decision.
I don't intend on discussing the ruling here because I am focused on who is As-
Sahab Media and who did 9/11. However, from what I know, some of the
evidence had to do with attacking a military and financial compound that had
some Muslims mixed in it and the rulings regarding attacking a compound
where you can avoid Muslims and the rulings regarding attacking a compound
where you cannot avoid Muslims. Again, I will not discuss this issue itself.



Their Shuhadaa' smell like musk. From what is apparent of those Mujaahideen
standing around the dead bodies of their fellow fighters, they smell musk and
get excited

Their Jihaad against the Disbelievers and Hypocrites. Allah prefers the
Mujaahideen over the Qaa'ideen (those who sit back) as He mentioned in an-
Nisa' (aayaat 95-6) and so we must love those whom Allah loves.


Now that we covered the issue of the apparent piety of As-Sahab Media (which
is really the piety of its soldiers), let's get deeper into the issue of authenticity.

It's clear that these Mujaahideen are pious. In addition, it is apparent that they
are fighting the enemies of Allah Ta'aalaa and not the Awliyaa of Allah Ta'aalaa.
So this is an added plus.

The next thing I want to talk about is al-Qaa'idah's relationship with Taliban.

From what is apparent, the two movements are working side-by-side in
complete peace and brotherhood. Never has the Taliban complained about al-
Qaa'idah in any of their official releases. In reality, these two groups are working
like one large movement under the umbrella, "Islamic Emirate of Afghanistan"
whose leader is Mullah `Umar, hafidhullah. In addition, the Taliban expressed
their happiness with al-Qaa'idah and their full support of Shaykh Usaamah bin
Laadin.

So the next question to ask here is: is the Taliban a movement whom we can trust
their words?

The answer is obviously yes, from many different angles of which some are:

a) The sincerity of the movement to establish Shari'ah and to destroy Shirk.

b) The history of the creation of the movement. They started off as a group of
students who wanted to get rid of some wicked crooks. Eventually, they
controlled most of the Country ruling with the law of Allah `Azza wa Jall, and
the crime rate dropped significantly.1

c) Their piety and practice of the Religion.

So keeping all of these points in mind, let's now ask the following questions:

1. How can a Muslim deny a single release from As-Sahab Media when they show
videos of pure Jihaad fe Sabeelillaah?


1 There is a massive propaganda machine against the Taliban which is controlled by the Kuffaar.
It is a propaganda machine that writes books, articles and makes up stories to make the Taliban
look evil. So for our readers, we kindly ask them to look to the works of the Mujaahideen and
their supporters regarding the misconceptions of the Taliban. At-Tibyan Publications and `Azzam
Publications, for instance, have very good works regarding the Taliban from the Scholars and
eye-witnesses.

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2. How can a Muslim deny a single release from As-Sahab Media when they don't
show any sign of Kufr, Shirk, Bid'ah etc. but only show righteousness and
practice of the religion?

3. How can a Muslim deny a single release from As-Sahab Media when they work
together with the Taliban and the Taliban loves them and accepts them?

4. How can a Muslim deny a single release from As-Sahab Media when there is
absolutely no evidence that they (i.e., al-Qaa'idah) are led by a foreign Kaafir
intelligence such as the CIA?

5. How can a Muslim deny a single release from As-Sahab Media when they show
military operations against America and NATO? How can a Muslim deny their
releases when they show the Mujaahideen killing American soldiers - sometimes
even showing the bloody remains of these soldiers * and ambushing them with
IEDs, RPGs, PKs, and other weaponry as well as shooting at American
helicopters with their anti-aircraft weaponry? In other words, the point I'm
trying to make here is: How can a Muslim think to himself that As-Sahab Media
(i.e., al-Qaa'idah) is some CIA makeup or something similar when they display
their aggressive military operations against the Americans?

Some might say, "No, I'm not denying As-Sahab Media; I'm only denying their
release regarding the Bin Laadin tapes... they just appear to be fishy to me...
since some of them are just audios..."

So we say to them: Your statement makes no sense because to deny one official
release of As-Sahab Media is to deny all of their releases, which would be silly
because you would be denying that they fight American soldiers. In other words,
to deny As-Sahab Media is to deny that al-Qaa'idah is fighting in Afghanistan
because they are the same thing. Furthermore, if a video was released in the
name of As-Sahab and As-Sahab (i.e., al-Qaa'idah) really didn't release such a
video, then would they not make a statement denying the video? For those who
don't know, the forums such as Ekhlaas and Hesbah are Mujaahideen forums
where Mujaahideen from all over the world discuss issues and post their military
operations. So wouldn't As-Sahab say something if a video wasn't really theirs?

To give you an example of how they communicate on these forums: one of their
releases that had Shaykh Usaamah speaking in it were first shown by Al-Jazeera
and then were later posted in the forums. So some of the members of these
forums asked: How is it that Al-Jazeera got the tape first and we didn't (since As-
Sahab posts their videos on the forums first)?!

So this is what they said when they finally posted it on the forums:

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:16 PM
As a requested strategy the Video has been sent to TV channels
before posting it to the net. And It is not true that some websites
claimed that they have received it in another way.

So if a video wasn't from them, wouldn't they just simply deny it?

And if you say, "it's a CIA Operation..." then we ask: Bring your proofs if you
are truthful. Do you have evidence that they met with a CIA agent(s) in a secret
meeting? Do you have evidence that they are really some Zionists who look like
Muslims (but are still killing American and Murtadeen soldiers)?

It becomes quite simple when one looks at it from this perspective; the Islaamic
perspective.

For the Kaafir, none of this will make sense to him since he doesn't know
anything about judging by apparent piety and its weight; so what I say to them
is: If you cannot prove that As-Sahab Media (i.e., al-Qaa'idah) is some CIA
operation with credible evidence, then it is better for you to stay silent than to
embarrass yourself. I say that to Alex Jones and company since all he has against
Shaykh Usaamah is what some random unknown Kaafir website "reports" on al-
Qaa'idah; and many Muslims follow Alex blindly. Wa La Howla wala Quwatta
Illa Billah.

So to conclude this first part I say: it is clear that As-Sahab Media is an authentic
Jihaadee Media organization due to their piety, practice of the religion, and
Jihaad fe Sabeelillaah. Some Muslims deny them because, quite frankly, they are
just too good to be true. They say, "This is a perfect CIA setup. The CIA wants to
recruit Muslims to this Jihaad so that they can jail them and torture them. So the
CIA perhaps studied Islaamic history and came up with al-Qaa'idah... and this
movement appears amazing in so many ways in order to deceive the Muslims
that it's real. I mean, these so-called Muslims are praying in Mountains even
during the cold Tahajjud morning, they establish the Shari'ah, they help the poor
and needy, they don't live comfortably as we do, they learn the Deen, they talk
about Islaamic issues, they give Naseeha to the Ummah and certain groups, they
kill Kaafir soldiers, they take Ghaneema from the Kuffaar and Murtadeen, they
keep talking about establishing a Caliphate, their influence spreads globally in
just a quick span of a few years, a great amount of Muslims support them both
openly and silently, their leader is one of the most pious people we have laid our
eyes on... this is too good to be true... so it must be a CIA setup to recruit us."


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As funny as that sounds, some actually are like that sadly. So we advise such
Muslims to go back to the aayah which we quoted from Surah al-Hujuraat. In
this Deen we reject evil speculation over apparent and overwhelming evidences.

Another thing which some Muslims say is, "Oh there's a tool where if you
capture the voice of an individual for 30 or so minutes, you can actually use his
voice to say anything you please... therefore all these audio tapes of Usaamah
bin Laadin are fake..."

Although this concept is true, this, of course, is just an easy way out to be
excused from the real issue which is the authenticity of As-Sahab Media. Such
statements are made by those who don't think deeply about the source. To say
such a thing is to deny all the clear-cut Jihaad that occurs in their recordings.
And whoever denies that there is Jihaad fe Sabeelillaah in their videos, then such
are those who are ignorant. This too goes for those who say "Oh, all that Jihaad
you see in their videos is not really Jihaad... it's all acted out... like Hollywood
stuff..." Clearly, these people haven't watched that many As-Sahab videos. If
they were to go with this logic, then such people should even deny that there's a
Taliban out there.

Let's move on to the next question which we posed in the beginning.

2. How do we know for sure that Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin was behind the
9/11 invasion? How do we answer the conspiracy theories of Alex Jones and
such who say 9/11 was an inside job or that it was done by the Israeli Mossad?

I will break up this question into a series of points and discuss them one by one.

a) Reminding everyone the authenticity of As-Sahab Media and their videos
related to 9/11 as well as their strategy in releasing the videos.

b) The official statement of Shaykh Usaamah regarding the 9/11 invasion.

c) Regarding the conspiracy theories of the bombs in the Twin Towers and no
plane hitting the Pentagon.

d) Regarding the issue of the FBI taking security camera footage from local
hotels/gas stations after the attacks on the Pentagon.

e) Regarding the Jews celebrating when seeing the Twin Towers attacked.

f) Regarding the warnings that America received before the invasion


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g) Regarding the letter America sent Mullah `Umar before 9/11

Now keep in mind, I am not speaking for As-Sahab Media as a spokesperson of
any type. Rather, I'm speaking from my mind whilst applying the principal of
not throwing immediate doubts on your Muslims as well as making excuses for
them.

Let's start:

a) Reminding everyone the authenticity of As-Sahab Media and their videos
related to 9/11 as well as their strategy in releasing the videos.

So before we jump to conclusions about who did 9/11, let me remind all of you
one thing and that is that we have proven As-Sahab Media (i.e., al-Qaa'idah) to
be authentic and not some CIA makeup. Indeed, As-Sahab Media has talked
about 9/11 and why they did it (and we will discuss this later inshaa'Allaah), so
to disregard what they have to say will take one back to the issue of authenticity
of As-Sahab. And if one doesn't have credible evidence to disprove their
authenticity, then they must fear Allah `Azza wa Jall. Labeling your fellow
Muslims as CIA agents or anything similar is tantamount to making Takfeer2;
and if you don't have evidence that they are some CIA makeup, then in reality
you are making Takfeer on your fellow Muslim without evidence. So fear Allah
and realize the weight of what you (the one who makes claims) say.

Regarding the As-Sahab videos related to 9/11, here they are (in no particular
order):

1. The Last Will of Abu al-'Abbas Al-Janubi:
http://www.archive.org/details/hijackers1

2. The Last Will of Al-'Umari:
http://www.archive.org/details/wasiyat-shaheed-alumari

3. The Last Will of Sa'eed al-Ghamdi:
http://www.archive.org/details/motaz

4. Knowledge is for acting upon Part 1:
http://www.archive.org/details/high-hopes1


2 It is Takfeer because to work for the CIA or FBI or any Government against the Muslims is clear-
cut Apostasy. Please refer to the book, "The Exposition Regarding the Disbelief of the one that
assist the Americans," by Shaykh Naasir bin Hamad al-Fahd * translated by At-Tibyan
Publications.


5. Knowledge is for acting upon Part 2:
http://www.archive.org/details/high-hopes

6. The Power of Truth:
http://www.archive.org/details/Power-Truth

7. Message from Shaykh Usaamah & The Last Will of Abu Mus'ab Waleed Al-
Shihree:
http://al-boraq.info/showthread.php?t=53835

8. Shaykh Usaamah refuting that there was a 20th hijacker involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTKBDqnpIM

9. Shaykh Usaamah's message to Europe; declaring that he did 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM0VdyhtQKo

10. The message of the Imaam's of Jihaad after the Ghazwah: Shaykh Usaamah
bin Laadin, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Shaykh Abu Hafs al-Misri and Shaykh
Sulayman al-Ghayth:
http://www.archive.org/details/LaDeN7

11. Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin's Tora Bora Speech:3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0&fmt=18

12. State of the Ummah Part 1:
http://www.archive.org/details/stateoftheummah1

13. State of the Ummah Part 2:
http://www.archive.org/details/stateoftheummah2

14. Shaykh Usaamah's message to the American people:4
http://www.archive.org/details/laden_new_29_10_2004

There are quite a few more videos related to the subject of September the 11th
from As-Sahab, but these should suffice. The majority of the videos have English
subtitles. If you haven't watched any of these, then please do so in order to
broaden your scope of mind regarding As-Sahab Media.


3 The link we gave is the most relevant part of the Tora Bora speech he delivered. It is a must for
our readers to watch this. For the full video, please go here:
http://www.archive.org/details/LaDeN6
4 There are quite a few from As-Sahab on this subject of "To the American people," so one should
suffice.

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:17 PM
Now As-Sahab Media didn't release the will of the hijackers immediately. From
what it seems, they did it in stages for a strategic purpose. If I have the estimated
dates correctly, As-Sahab Media has been releasing the videos of the last wills
once a year (maybe twice). And assuming that all 19 hijackers has a video
showing their last will, then that would mean that As-Sahab is purposely
showing these videos one by one to "make the pain last" so to say. They could be
releasing it in stages to make the Kuffaar never forget that day so that the
Kuffaar can be exposed for their apparent hatred of Islaam which they tried to
hide, or so that the Kuffaar would get upset and continue to make stupid
decisions (like invading `Iraaq) which would cost them heavily, or to continue to
incite the Muslimeen * for many years to come * to follow the path of the
Shuhadaa, or to simply have the Ummah remember the Shuhadaa' for a long
time. Maybe it's none of these reasons; but it definitely seems like a strategy they
are working out. Wallahu `Alam.

Let's move on to the next point.

b) The official statement of Shaykh Usaamah regarding the 9/11 invasion.

There is quite a lot of evidence from As-Sahab Media that Shaykh Usaamah was
behind the 9/11 attacks. Here is one from his message entitled, "A Message to
the people of Europe" which is crystal clear:

"And before their wounds had healed and their grief had ended, they were invaded
without right by your unjust governments, without stopping to think about or reflect on
Bush's claim that this invasion was a response to the events of the 11th, although--as I
mentioned previously--the events of Manhattan were a response to the American-Israeli
coalition's murder of our people in Palestine and Lebanon.

And it was I who was responsible for 9/11, and I stress that all Afghans--both
government and people--had no knowledge of those events and America knows that,
because some of the Taliban's ministers fell into its hands as captives, and they were
interrogated and that became known. And that's why the Taliban government requested
America to produce the evidence for the truth of its claims prior to the invasion, but it
didn't produce any evidence, and instead insisted on invading; and Europe marched
behind it in that, and had no choice but to be its vassal."

You can watch this video here.

In the videos I posted earlier related to 9/11, you will see this claim repeated in
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Remember that As-Sahab Media is authentic so this message is of course
authentic. Therefore, al-Qaa'idah is behind 9/11. I will not deny this statement
just because it's too much for me or that it's too hard to believe; not unless I have
credible evidence that he was not behind it to which I will still not deny this
statement until the contradiction is verified. So with whatever contradictions I
hold in my head (such as the bombings of the Twin Towers and that there was
no plane that hit the Pentagon etc., which I will discuss later inshaa'Allaah) I
should have Sabr and wait till such things are cleared up for me; so as I wait, I
will make excuses for my brothers and think deeply about all various
possibilities. I hope all other Muslims follow through the same way.

Now some have said Shaykh Usaamah had first denied involvement in 9/11. For
those who say that, I ask them to bring their evidence. There is quite a lot of
hearsay regarding this so the way to clear it up is to get credible evidence which
we can see him or hear him deny involvement. They say that he mentioned this
in the Tora Bora speech. Well if one is to watch the Tora Bora speech of his,
nowhere does he deny involvement. In addition, he highly praises the hijackers
that took part in 9/11. So why would he praise them if he had nothing to do with
it?

But just in case there is credible evidence that he denied involvement, then these
could be the reasons:

1. Military strategy. It could have been a military strategy to make America think
twice before attacking; of course it didn't make them think twice and this
exposed them for their hatred of Islaam. So Shaykh Usaamah took opportunity of
this and said in one of his early speeches * and rightly said * that had it been a
Kaafir man living in a Kaafir Country that did 9/11, then America would not
have invaded that Country immediately and instead would have taken
precautions to avoid a full blown war with that Country; and they would do
their best to peacefully resolve the situation with that Country and establish the
evidences to that Kaafir Country that such-and-such Kaafir man was behind
9/11, and if proven correct, the man would probably be taken to an American
Court and be punished.

But since the leaders of America hate Islaam and the true Muslims, they didn't
stick to their standards. The Taliban even asked them to stick to their standards
by establishing proof against Shaykh Usaamah but America remained defiant
and arrogant and continued their plan of invasion. America is now paying for
that even as we speak. So they were exposed greatly.

Of course, there could be many other strategies which we don't know of.

2. Perhaps he physically was not behind 9/11 and that's what he meant in the
statement of denial (assuming it even exists). The Kuffaar claim that the Ameer
of the 9/11 invasion was Khalid Sheikh Muhammad (fakkAllahu Asrah) and we
do not deny this as there are some signs as to the strength of this claim such as
the silence of As-Sahab Media on it. I'm not saying Shaykh Usaamah didn't have
a hand in it; rather, he was the main Ameer to where he allowed the attack to
commence and others were physically involved.

But as far as we know, he clearly did 9/11 because he mentioned it in quite a few
of his recordings (and in a few them, talked about the piety and qualities of each
of the 19 hijackers). So if there really is a statement of his denying involvement in
9/11, then consider the hadeeth, "War is Deception." We know that As-Sahab is
authentic so we trust them in each of their releases and we also realize that they
are a military organization, so each of their releases has a strategy behind it.

Let's move on to the next point.

c) Regarding the conspiracy theories of the bombs in the Twin Towers and no
plane hitting the Pentagon.

The question that people pose here is, "The proof that Usaamah bin Laadin was
not behind 9/11 and that America was is the proof that there were bombs that
went off in the twin towers which had a lot to do with bringing it down. In
addition, the building went down the way any building implosion would work.
Furthermore, if one were to look at the picture of the Pentagon after the attack, it
becomes clear that it's impossible for a plane to hit the building since there were
no remains of the plane left nor where there any indications on the building that
two wings had smashed into it; rather, it only looks like a large hole in the
center."

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:17 PM
Our response is similar to the last one: it was a military strategy, but not like any
other. Of course, I wouldn't know for sure but I'm only making excuses for my
fellow Muslims and thinking of the various military strategic possibilities. Before
I mention them though, I think it is important that I briefly talk about the
military capabilities of al-Qaa'idah.

Al-Qaa'idah, as some have said, is like a military institute that is similar to
Harvard; everyone wants to get in but only a selected few actually make it. I'm
not saying that all of the Ummah wants to join their movement, but rather their
movement is extremely sophisticated as it is not simply a bunch of Muslims with
Turbans, AK47s and Slippers who fight globally. Rather, their movement
consists of experienced generals, fighters, weapon makers & sellers, IT
Professionals, Scientists, Doctors, Engineers and so on that are experts in their
respective fields just as Harvard has the best of the best in different educational
fields. Of course, there might be some who are new to the military field that joins
in, but I hold the opinion that the movement is more sophisticated than what
most Muslims think. I'm basing my evidences on the following:

1. Shaykh Usaamah's spy: `Ali Muhammad. This individual penetrated the CIA
for more than 20 years. Just do a search on him to find more information on what
kind military genius he was. For many years he was spying for Shaykh Usaamah
on the CIA; so you can imagine all the information he passed on. Perhaps `Ali
Muhammad didn't know it, but there is a possibility that he was the main help
for the 9/11 attacks to succeed since carrying out such a massive attack would
probably need some top secret government information especially in relation to
the attack on the Pentagon.

So if someone like that can exist, then who knows what other spies and how
many active spies he has currently working in the Governments around the
world. So his movement can be invisible to its enemies; this is one thing we can
easily learn from `Ali Muhammad's situation. And since their invisibility has
such sophistication, there could be thousands of possibilities on how they obtain
information and how they commence attacks. For instance, the Pentagon was
convinced that the Government of China tried hacking into their systems. How
do we know that it wasn't the "invisible Mujaahideen" living in China working
for the Government as spies for Shaykh Usaamah that carried out this attack?
Although it might not be true, there is always the possibility since they have
proven to the world that they are capable of being invisible and penetrating deep
into a Government's intelligence agency.

2. Some of the large scale attacks that they were behind such as the explosion in
Riyadh, the American Embassies in Africa, and the secret UN meeting in `Iraaq

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as well as the secret meeting of the Israeli Zionists in Jordan (which were both
led by Abu Mus'ab Az-Zarqawi). There are certainly much more than these, but
just these few testify to the fact that this movement is no ordinary military
organization. They are well organized and trained, and in most cases, seem to be
two steps ahead of their enemies (as Western Journalists have mentioned).

So if they are capable of doing such large scale operations, then we should realize
that we are dealing with an Army that has plenty of scientists, strategists,
military generals, trained explosive experts, doctors, engineers, IT Specialists,
weapon trainers, media experts and so on; they have all this and more and yet
they are able to stay invisible, undetectable. The only time they are detectable is
when they want to be detected such as their face-to-face battles in Afghanistan.
Therefore, we are talking about a movement that is jam packed with specialists
in different fields, and are as light as a feather, as fast as a fly, as strong as a
violent wind, and as watchful as a hawk. They don't have any single nationality,
race, or uniform; they are united by one creed from all corners of the globe. So
their influence has spread, from what is apparent, from Afghanistan to `Iraaq,
Bosnia, Chechnya, Palestine, Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Somalia, Thailand,
Philippines, Indonesia, Pakistan, India, Lebanon, Syria, Jordan, Uzbekistan,
Tajikstan, Turkey, Maldives, Eritrea, China, Egypt, Oman, Sudan, Nigeria,
Tunisia, Yemen, Libya, Morocco, Iran, Chad, Australia, Canada, America,
Germany and many parts of Europe.5

If you were part of the Kaafir military and took part in this "war on terror" and
had to deal with an army that's this big and has expert abilities yet is invisible,
and is able to cause tremendous damage, and on top of all this, is able to recruit
more members without physically recruiting anyone, you would quickly realize
how useless this "war on terror" is. Even if you had spy satellites hovering over
every single Country at the same time, you still wouldn't be able to shutdown
such an army.

The only problem with this invisibility issue * if this is a problem * is that those
who are susceptible to Western propaganda or conspiracy theories will think al-
Qaa'idah to be some crooks who "hate America for its freedoms" or that they are
some CIA plot. But this isn't a problem for those who think deeply about simple
war strategies.

On a side note, As-Sahab Media has never released the strategies of how they
carried out the 9/11 operation in detail; the furthest they have gone was to say
some general remarks of the success of some strategic operations and passing of

5 These Countries are mentioned specifically because there is solid proof of al-Qaa'idah's
influence in such lands such as what is passed from their media as well as the media of other
Mujaahideen supporters as well as the media of the disbelievers.

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obstacles.6 In my opinion, that was a smart move from a strategic point of view;
if they were to reveal their tactics and military strategies in detail, it would be
foolish since they wouldn't be able to pull it off again. And that's the scary part
about fighting such an army. They have shown the world continuously that they
are able to do large scale attacks repeatedly. In addition, everyone knows that
they pulled of the attacks on the American Embassies in Africa, yet As-Sahab has
not detailed those strategies for a purpose.

Now that you have realized the influence and abilities of this movement (which
is actually global), let's now talk about the possible military strategies of how
something like 9/11 was pulled off, debunking all the myths of it being an inside
job by the Government.

Regarding the Twin Towers, there could be many possibilities; in reality, we are
just picturing how it would be possible for an army that's that good to pull off
silent maneuvers without getting caught. So for the bombs that occurred in the
two buildings, it can be due to their strategic planning from the best of engineers
in the movement who have visited the compound hundreds of times; in fact, the
engineers probably had jobs there. So let's say that this group (either from the 19
hijackers or from other Mujaahideen within the movement) was working there
for 5 * 10 years. In addition, let's say a few of them are security officers for the
two buildings. So from this, they probably would study the weaknesses of the
buildings as well as its strength. Then they probably thought about where to
place implosion devices throughout the building without it ever being detected
by janitors and other security officers, officials, and inspectors. So perhaps this
step took a few years or so. And there you go; you have an implosion.

Now the US Government did keep silent about the implosions for most of the
time. This is probably due to a few reasons:

a) They don't want to admit to a gigantic security breach. If America was to
reveal that it was a security breach, then no American would feel safe in their
office buildings or even at home with the most high tech security system. It is
absurd to think that the Twin Towers didn't have a high tech security system; I
wouldn't be surprised if it had one of the best in the world. So for something like
this to be breached by a few individuals (or maybe much more than a few) is a
huge embarrassment on the Government's part and it only adds insult to injury.
So perhaps the Government has been trying their best to avoid the issue in order
to avoid chaos and worries.


6 The "Knowledge is for Acting Upon" documentary from As-Sahab mentions briefly the tactics.

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:19 PM
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b) Maybe the implosion devices were already there in the first place during the
building of the twin towers for whatever reason (such as emergency or if
something outrageous was to occur). So the Government didn't want to discuss
that as it probably would be highly confidential.

Again this is just speculation on why the Government kept silent for most of the
time. Only Allah knows best. But this, in no way, can be used as evidence that
"Al-Qaa'idah has nothing to do with 9/11 and this was clearly an inside job." It
is absurd to suggest such a thing after proving the authenticity of As-Sahab
Media.

Moving onto the issue of the plane hitting the Pentagon, some say, "Since it is
clear that a plane could not have hit the Pentagon, it was an inside job."

Here are some possibilities which we have come up with:

a) Never has As-Sahab Media said once that they hit the Pentagon with an
Airplane.

b) And if a plane did hit, then perhaps it disintegrated or it was a small airliner
or jet as some eye witnesses have suggested.

c) They could have planted a bomb there or perhaps did a martyrdom operation;
perhaps some of them worked at the Pentagon for a few years as janitors or
whatever position and figured out the required timings and needs to pull off
such an operation.

I will admit though that this is much harder to think deeply about since the
official US Government report says that an airliner crashed into the Pentagon. I
can't really think of any reasons why they would lie about it except it also being
a security breach and its embarrassment. Imagine if they said to the American
public that some Muslims were working at the Pentagon for a few years,
penetrated far into the security, and blew up the world's most secure building!!
That's something that would make someone laugh at the security abilities of
America. In addition, that would make nearly every American cringe at the idea
of security and how weak America is and how they were penetrated by a "bunch
of rag-tags" or "camel jockeys." Can you imagine their embarrassment to not
only their fellow citizens, but to the world at large? The world's most powerful
military on her knees.

Maybe that's why Shaykh Usaamah has repeatedly said that no one except "19
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knees in humiliation and defeat." If my analysis is correct, can you then imagine
the colossal embarrassment?

Again, these are just possibilities based upon what al-Qaa'idah has the ability to
do and pull off; and we have discussed this earlier.

Let's move on to the next point.

d) Regarding the issue of the FBI taking security camera footage from local
hotels/gas stations after the attacks on the Pentagon.

This could be related to the security breach that we discussed in the last point as
well as the point before. Had the tapes been available, the world would have
witnessed the world's greatest security breach.

Let's move on.

e) Regarding the Jews celebrating when seeing the Twin Towers attacked.

A story about some Israeli's standing on their van, celebrating the attacks whilst
the buildings were on fire appeared all over the net some years ago. Of course,
that in itself is not credible evidence that Israel was behind it since it is possible
that a member of al-Qaa'idah warned Israel7 telling them to give up their
oppression or else they and their masters would be attacked in New York; and it
could be that Israel was waiting for such an attack since the public would then
become more sympathetic towards their cause against the Palestinians. And yes,
there were Israeli Companies working in the twin towers, so perhaps that also
explains the conspiracy theory that no Jew showed up for work that day. And
Allah knows best.

It surely is something many of us would like to believe simply because it puts the
blame on the Israeli Government. But just because many of us hate Israel with a
passion doesn't mean they did it.

f) Regarding the warnings that America received before the invasion

This could be the same reason as we mentioned in the last point regarding the
claims of Israel knowing prior to the attacks.

g) Regarding the letter America sent Mullah `Umar before 9/11

7 There actually was an incident where Benjamin Netanyahu, the 9th PM of Israel, claimed that he
was informed of the attacks prior to the event.

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Adam Yahya Ghadan (a.k.a., `Azzam al-Amreeki) spoke in one of the As-Sahab
releases about how America sent threats to Mullah `Umar in Afghanistan for
various reasons. So Adam said that in response to this insulting letter, they gave
America a surprise and that was 9/11. Of course, that wasn't the main reason
why they did the attack; the whole attack was a retaliation of the American
crimes upon the Ummah as stated by Shaykh Usaamah in various recordings.

Now there are many other minor issues surrounding 9/11 but what I hoped to
have brought to everyone's attention is that creativity can be used, especially in
defense of a Muslim Army which has amazing capabilities. We can all be creative
if we choose to. Some of us would rather have a tunnel vision regarding the
events and are satisfied without verifying.

Finally, we proved that As-Sahab Media is an authentic department of Jihaadee
media. I have done my best to refute various arguments which I saw as baseless
from an Islaamic perspective. Furthermore, I've tried my best to debunk 9/11
myths such as it being an inside job. I hope nobody looks at this and thinks that
I'm defending the Kaafir Taaghoot; I would never do such an evil act. Some
might think that since I'm essentially repeating what the American Government
repeats * but with evidences * such as As-Sahab Media exists and that Shaykh
Usaamah was behind 9/11, that in some way I'm defending the Taaghoot; again,
this is not the case whatsoever. I am a simple onlooker who has seen baseless
arguments for a very long time coming from Muslim and Kaafir conspiracies
regarding As-Sahab Media. If one were to watch all of their videos * and there
are hundreds of them * they would know that As-Sahab Media is simply doing
their best to instill the love for Jihaad fe Sabeelillaah in our hearts and minds.
And to do such a thing is a Sunnah of mammoth scales which does not benefit
the Kuffaar as much as it benefits the Muslims.

Wallahu Ta'aala `Alam.

Wa Aakhiro Da'wana Anil Hamdulillaah Ar-Rabbil `Alaameen.





all can be found in a pdf file...
if u have time to search ...
from jazzyrebel who is ready to banned if the moderators think they can overrule the justice.

jazzyrebel
20-07-08, 09:22 PM
IF THE MODERATORS ARE NOT THE AGENTS OF CIA..Or OF FBI THEY WOULD NOT IGNORE THE FACT THAT MUSLIMS HERE ARE BEING MISGUIDED AND ARE GIVEN SUCH OPINIONS ON THIS THREAD THAT THEY MAY EVENTUALLY BECOME KAFIR AFTER GIVING SUCH IGNORAT STATEMENTS...
SO I DEMAND WHETHER TO BLOCK ME OR VOTE TO BLOCK ME>>>OR END AND LOCK THIS THREAD IMMEDIATELY.

ibnmuadh
21-07-08, 01:56 AM
this work of knowledge has been done by Qaidatul Jihad..but..

Point of correction. The work was done by InshaAllahShaheed: revolution.muslimpad.com

jazzyrebel
21-07-08, 02:50 AM
Point of correction. The work was done by InshaAllahShaheed: revolution.muslimpad.com

Yes Indeed.
But ???
this work of profeciancy?
Alhamdulillah i know it...that it has been uploaded on muslimpad
but not to change the discussion line...DID u read it?

ibnmuadh
21-07-08, 04:09 AM
Yes Indeed.
But ???
this work of profeciancy?
Alhamdulillah i know it...that it has been uploaded on muslimpad
but not to change the discussion line...DID u read it?

I read it(without watching the videos actually) I even pasted it here (Post #7)
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2697152#post2697152

Slot
21-07-08, 10:54 AM
1. The Last Will of Abu al-'Abbas Al-Janubi:
http://www.archive.org/details/hijackers1

2. The Last Will of Al-'Umari:
http://www.archive.org/details/wasiyat-shaheed-alumari

3. The Last Will of Sa'eed al-Ghamdi:
http://www.archive.org/details/motaz

4. Knowledge is for acting upon Part 1:
http://www.archive.org/details/high-hopes1


2 It is Takfeer because to work for the CIA or FBI or any Government against the Muslims is clear-
cut Apostasy. Please refer to the book, "The Exposition Regarding the Disbelief of the one that
assist the Americans," by Shaykh Naasir bin Hamad al-Fahd * translated by At-Tibyan
Publications.


5. Knowledge is for acting upon Part 2:
http://www.archive.org/details/high-hopes

6. The Power of Truth:
http://www.archive.org/details/Power-Truth

7. Message from Shaykh Usaamah & The Last Will of Abu Mus'ab Waleed Al-
Shihree:
http://al-boraq.info/showthread.php?t=53835

8. Shaykh Usaamah refuting that there was a 20th hijacker involved:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGTKBDqnpIM

9. Shaykh Usaamah's message to Europe; declaring that he did 9/11:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zM0VdyhtQKo

10. The message of the Imaam's of Jihaad after the Ghazwah: Shaykh Usaamah
bin Laadin, Dr. Ayman al-Zawahiri, Shaykh Abu Hafs al-Misri and Shaykh
Sulayman al-Ghayth:
http://www.archive.org/details/LaDeN7

11. Shaykh Usaamah bin Laadin's Tora Bora Speech:3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0&fmt=18

12. State of the Ummah Part 1:
http://www.archive.org/details/stateoftheummah1

13. State of the Ummah Part 2:
http://www.archive.org/details/stateoftheummah2

14. Shaykh Usaamah's message to the American people:4
http://www.archive.org/details/laden_new_29_10_2004

There are quite a few more videos related to the subject of September the 11th
from As-Sahab, but these should suffice. The majority of the videos have English
subtitles. If you haven't watched any of these, then please do so in order to
broaden your scope of mind regarding As-Sahab Media.


3 The link we gave is the most relevant part of the Tora Bora speech he delivered. It is a must for
our readers to watch this. For the full video, please go here:
http://www.archive.org/details/LaDeN6


Ya Muslimoon, be careful with these links...

ibnmuadh
21-07-08, 10:57 AM
Ya Muslimoon, be careful with these links...

Why did you say so? Could u kindly point out? Jazakallahu khayran

Slot
21-07-08, 11:03 AM
Why did you say so? Could u kindly point out? Jazakallahu khayran

I'm just saying be careful. Those videos are of the alleged perpetrators of what the Americans consider to be the most flagrantly illegal attacks of this century, or even in the history of their nation. They will not appreciate finding them on your hard drive, and likely watch those links. Ultimately its up to each person, if you think you need to watch it... Its your choice. I would advise you just take the links for what they are and understand that they are what he is saying they are.

qalandarbaba97
23-07-08, 01:51 AM
hazrat Osaamah ibn laden hifz ALLAH
:) O Man, what you cannot be brought to believe.

jazzyrebel
23-07-08, 07:46 PM
The Prove has yet again published...in an video interview done by Pakistani news Channel GEO TV.
With sheikh Saeed, N he said..ALQAIDA DID 9/11

Slot
06-08-08, 08:59 PM
Here ya go... Proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was collaborated and planned by Usama ibn Ladin. Unless you have the cahones to call a Muslim a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0

RazielTemp
06-08-08, 09:09 PM
That's what is called a prejudice: like clannishness or tribal preferences. It makes no sense whatsoever but it's interesting to anthropologists.

No it is not,

we are told Not to accuse people without proof.

If that makes one "Prejudiced" then we need more people like that ...

regards.

Regulus de Leo
15-08-08, 01:15 AM
No it is not,

we are told Not to accuse people without proof.

If that makes one "Prejudiced" then we need more people like that ...

regards.

Of course 64% of you have no problem in saying 9/11 was an 'inside job' of the US government.

RazielTemp
15-08-08, 04:30 AM
Of course 64% of you have no problem in saying 9/11 was an 'inside job' of the US government.

that is what the "Evidence" provided by the US shows ...

if they make ludicrous claim like the burning of the World trade centre with temperatures of 1000 Degrees celcius, and yet have the audacity to claim some passport suvived, you can hardly blame us for thinking the Bush administration did it ...

thurber
15-08-08, 04:53 PM
Here ya go... Proof beyond a reasonable doubt that it was collaborated and planned by Usama ibn Ladin. Unless you have the cahones to call a Muslim a liar.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dls5JTD-uG0

So this is proof to you?

Umm_Hanzalah
01-09-08, 02:29 PM
Don't know.

Don't care.

It was minor.

KeeKee
01-09-08, 02:59 PM
Allahu Alam.

neelu
01-09-08, 04:14 PM
Wow this debate is still going. I find the poll results very interesting and it reflects something I suspected myself.


It was minor.

Now that's one response I didn't expect to see :eek:

KeeKee
01-09-08, 06:35 PM
i was kind of....flummoxed at that comment too.
minor? muslims were killled too, and anyway the senseless killling of any human is wrong. so whoever did it, did a very big wrong.

iqbal2602
02-09-08, 04:51 AM
hai

cynerain
02-09-08, 05:54 AM
9/11 was bound to happen.

True americans Chritians probably think that..in my opinion.

But Isreal's influence has them knee deep in a situation they cant control.

Umm_Hanzalah
02-09-08, 11:33 AM
Yes, very minor in comparsion to the countless number of civilians the US has carpet bombed.

The kuffar (especially ones like the Americans) will always find a reason to fight Muslims-9/11 or not.