Ummah Refuge Invitation for future, Inshallah

[brjimc]

OMG, Ummah was down again!

I know that Ummah has many sites as a "refuge".

I would also like to offer the Ummah staff and members refuge at our forum (Islamfactor (http://islamfactor.org)) as well should there be issues in the future.

We have many cool things to do and keep you busy until Ummah is back up again! Our award winning forum has more than most on the net.

We have:


A healthy and growing online community of Muslims and non-Muslims.
Blogging
Photo Gallery
Arcade
Live Chat
Gender Specific Forums
Muslim access only forum.

and much more!


You can pre-register now before any further Ummah issues, even if you are not using the account until (and if) it happens again!

We honor member rankings on other forums. So if you have 3000 posts on Ummah, we will give you 3000 posts on Islamfactor!

Come and visit us and tour our forum: Islamfactor.org (http://islamfactor.org)

[souljaa]

Or alternatively you could visit Darul Ilm (http://darulilm.forumotion.com/index.htm) :D

[-Fady-]

no thank you,

[-Fady-]

We Honor Member Rankings On Other Forums. So If You Have 3000 Posts On Ummah, We Will Give You 3000 Posts On islamfactor!


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[-Fady-]

From the forum

"It does not claim to be the only path to God, but does indeed claim to be the best one there is"

and you agreed to it? you need help

[Abu Mus'ab]

From the forum

"It does not claim to be the only path to God, but does indeed claim to be the best one there is"

and you agreed to it? you need help
what? :rubeyes:

To believe that the are other paths to Allah besides Islam is kufr akbar which takes a person out of the fold of islam.

[-Fady-]

what? :rubeyes:

To believe that the are other paths to Allah besides Islam is kufr akbar which takes a person out of the fold of islam.

oops forgot to add the fact he was talking bout Islam!

but yeah exactly, so I think thread should be closed, this aint a forum which should be advertised...

hey bro read the other stuff on the forum, it's mad I tell you. perfect for that moderate muslims club Abu Mubarak was setting up ;) lol

[souljaa]

And another thing, that 'Awards 2008 top 40' image thing looks fake...It just seems someone made it in Macromedia Flash or something :o

[Abu Mus'ab]

oops forgot to add the fact he was talking bout Islam!

but yeah exactly, so I think thread should be closed, this aint a forum which should be advertised...

hey bro read the other stuff on the forum, it's mad I tell you. perfect for that moderate muslims club Abu Mubarak was setting up ;) lol
I'm not gonna click the link then, the less hits that forums gets the better.

Just report this thread so that the mods lock it and throw it in the bin.

[urban_rose]

Copycat people :torture:

[brjimc]

And another thing, that 'Awards 2008 top 40' image thing looks fake...It just seems someone made it in Macromedia Flash or something :o

No, its not fake.

Ummah has also recieved this award.

If you read any of the threads, you would have seen the announcement and the link to the site that has given us the award.

http://islamfactor.org/index.php?act=announce&f=12&id=14

The Prophet (pbuh) would be ashamed of how you folks talk to your bros and sis in Islam. Allah is our protector from this kind of backbiting.

May Allah have mercy on you on the Day of Judgment and me as well. Ameen.

Come and visit. Look around. If you have an issue with anything said there, you can add your input.

As far as the above comment about there are many paths. I noticed that -Fady- was not honest enough to post a link or come on to our site to address, confront and try to clarify what was said. Instead he comes here to backbite.

The Prophet (pbuh) taught us better than that.

Our members can post anything they wish within the guidelines of the forum rules. We don't censor as extensively as most Muslim forums.

[brjimc]

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We honor post counts from other forums so you dont look like a nOoB :D

[sajid]

Yeh thanks for the offer appreciate it,

the only official place if ummah went down where you will find updates and news on ummah would be on Islamicboard.com - since that board is linked to this !

[Abu Mus'ab]

As far as the above comment about there are many paths. I noticed that -Fady- was not honest enough to post a link or come on to our site to address, confront and try to clarify what was said. Instead he comes here to backbite.

Then why don't you post a link to it and clarify it.

[brjimc]

Yeh thanks for the offer appreciate it,

the only official place if ummah went down where you will find updates and news on ummah would be on Islamicboard.com - since that board is linked to this !

Cool Sajid. Yeah, i have an account there :D


The following is clarification (since he chose this link to complain) of the statements that -Fady- misrepresented. It is a collection of Quran and Hadith and justification for the statement he is talking about.

The Qur'an does not say that all non-Muslims are hellbound. It says that there are some from among the Christians and the Jews who believe in Allah and his messenger and they will be saved. The Christians ans Jews who will not be saved are those who do not believe and remain willingly in disbelief. You may say that well if they believe in Allah and his messnger then they are Muslims, but this is not the case. For example, many Christians and Jews may be on the path towards accepting Islam (they believe in Allah and His messenger but have not yet declared such), but they die prior to accepting Islam. They are those who love Allah and prostrate themselves to Allah alone, like i used to do as a religious Christian in the few years before I became a Muslim every day. I also did this when I was studying to become an Orthodox Jew. They will be saved.

Qur'an 3.113 says, "Not all of them are alike: Of the People of the Book are a portion that stand (For the right): They rehearse the Signs of Allah all night long, and they prostrate themselves in adoration. They believe in Allah and the Last Day; they enjoin what is right, and forbid what is wrong; and they hasten (in emulation) in (all) good works: They are in the ranks of the righteous. Of the good that they do, nothing will be rejected of them; for Allah knoweth well those that do right. Those who reject Faith,- neither their possessions nor their (numerous) progeny will avail them aught against Allah: They will be companions of the Fire,-dwelling therein (for ever). What they spend in the life of this (material) world May be likened to a wind which brings a nipping frost: It strikes and destroys the harvest of men who have wronged their own souls: it is not Allah that hath wronged them, but they wrong themselves."

Qur'an 098.006 also says, "Those who reject (Truth), among the People of the Book and among the Polytheists, will be in Hell-Fire, to dwell therein (for aye). They are the worst of creatures."

What the verses are telling you is that those who worship the sun, moon, false gods and other things will not be saved. The hadith is addressing the hellfire and those who will and will not be saved. it goes on to talk about the hellfire and how many Muslims will enter the hellfire and some will be taken out from it.

the hadith in its entirety with the Qur'anic verse in mind, I will qoute:

Sahih Bhukari the Prophet (pbuh) said,
Volume 1, Book 12, Number 770:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

The people said, "O Allah's Apostle! Shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection?" He replied, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the full moon on a clear (not cloudy) night?" They replied, "No, O Allah's Apostle!" He said, "Do you have any doubt in seeing the sun when there are no clouds?" They replied in the negative. He said, "You will see Allah (your Lord) in the same way. On the Day of Resurrection, people will be gathered and He will order the people to follow what they used to worship. So some of them will follow the sun, some will follow the moon, and some will follow other deities; and only this nation (Muslims) will be left with its hypocrites. Allah will come to them and say, 'I am Your Lord.' They will say, 'We shall stay in this place till our Lord comes to us and when our Lord will come, we will recognize Him. Then Allah will come to them again and say, 'I am your Lord.' They will say, 'You are our Lord.' Allah will call them, and As-Sirat (a bridge) will be laid across Hell and I (Muhammad) shall be the first amongst the Apostles to cross it with my followers. Nobody except the Apostles will then be able to speak and they will be saying then, 'O Allah! Save us. O Allah Save us.'


There will be hooks like the thorns of Sa'dan in Hell. Have you seen the thorns of Sa'dan?" The people said, "Yes." He said, "These hooks will be like the thorns of Sa'dan but nobody except Allah knows their greatness in size and these will entangle the people according to their deeds; some of them will fall and stay in Hell forever; others will receive punishment (torn into small pieces) and will get out of Hell, till when Allah intends mercy on whomever He likes amongst the people of Hell, He will order the angels to take out of Hell those who worshipped none but Him alone. The angels will take them out by recognizing them from the traces of prostrations, for Allah has forbidden the (Hell) fire to eat away those traces. So they will come out of the Fire, it will eat away from the whole of the human body except the marks of the prostrations. At that time they will come out of the Fire as mere skeletons. The Water of Life will be poured on them and as a result they will grow like the seeds growing on the bank of flowing water. Then when Allah had finished from the Judgments amongst his creations, one man will be left between Hell and Paradise and he will be the last man from the people of Hell to enter paradise. He will be facing Hell, and will say, 'O Allah! Turn my face from the fire as its wind has dried me and its steam has burnt me.' Allah will ask him, "Will you ask for anything more in case this favor is granted to you?' He will say, "No by Your (Honor) Power!" And he will give to his Lord (Allah) what he will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then turn his face from the Fire. When he will face Paradise and will see its charm, he will remain quiet as long as Allah will. He then will say, 'O my Lord! Let me go to the gate of Paradise.' Allah will ask him, 'Didn't you give pledges and make covenants (to the effect) that you would not ask for anything more than what you requested at first?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched, amongst Your creatures.' Allah will say, 'If this request is granted, will you then ask for anything else?' He will say, 'No! By Your Power! I shall not ask for anything else.' Then he will give to his Lord what He will of the pledges and the covenants. Allah will then let him go to the gate of Paradise. On reaching then and seeing its life, charm, and pleasure, he will remain quiet as long as Allah wills and then will say, 'O my Lord ! Let me enter Paradise.' Allah will say, May Allah be merciful unto you, O son of Adam! How treacherous you are! Haven't you made covenants and given pledges that you will not ask for anything more that what you have been given?' He will say, 'O my Lord! Do not make me the most wretched amongst Your creatures.' So Allah will laugh and allow him to enter Paradise and will ask him to request as much as he likes. He will do so till all his desires have been fulfilled . Then Allah will say, 'Request more of such and such things.' Allah will remind him and when all his desires and wishes; have been fulfilled, Allah will say "All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Said Al-Khudri, said to Abu Huraira, 'Allah's Apostle said, "Allah said, 'That is for you and ten times more like it.' "Abu Huraira said, "I do not remember from Allah's Apostle except (his saying), 'All this is granted to you and a similar amount besides." Abu Sahd said, "I heard him saying, 'That is for you and ten times more the like of it."

The hadith clearly speaks about non-Muslims and Muslims alike who will be in the hellfire, who will be saved from it and who will be taken out at a later time.

I have much more proof from Quran and Sunnah.

If you still do not understand the proof, I suggest asking a scholar. No need to use this thread for a drawn out debate.

Thank you! :D

[Abu Mus'ab]

That entire 'clarification' was written by a jaahil, why don't you do yourself a favour and take that to a scholar and see what he tells you.