Academic background!!

[Miss-Neurofen]

Right for our parents a good academic background is very important, hence why i had to suffer the past four years, although I would have been happy as a housewife LOL,

But how important is an academic background?

Is it true girls, we go for intelligent men? And a degree is.... attractive???


we all know a degree is far from a test of intelligence...but what do you think of a good academic background?

[Asma-SE]

I don't think its important, you know if someone is intelligent just by speaking to them. You can have people who go through university and there still as thick as a plank, likewise there are people who didnt get the oppourtunity to study and are still smart.

My husband doesnt have a degree, and I wouldnt have asked for one, my sister however is xtra and made fun of the fact he didnt have a degree. Shes 30, unmarried and jealous ;)

[-Shamil-]

maybe to women a degree symbolises $$'s

as we know many women certainly find money attractive

[sis_niqabi]

Salam

i think marrying a man with a degree is important. if a man doesn't have any higher education how can he get a job and provide for the family.

me personally i wouldn't want to marry a man who doesn't have any higher education. if he doesn't have a higher education that means usually he wont have a good job.

[Umm_Hanzalah]

I don't think its important, you know if someone is intelligent just by speaking to them. You can have people who go through university and there still as thick as a plank, likewise there are people who didnt get the oppourtunity to study and are still smart.


I agree.

[Asma-SE]

Salam

i think marrying a man with a degree is important. if a man doesn't have any higher education how can he get a job and provide for the family.

me personally i wouldn't want to marry a man who doesn't have any higher education. if he doesn't have a higher education that means usually he wont have a good job.

Alhamdulillah things are more complex than degree = good job.

My husband has a good job and no degree, my sister has degree and rubbish job lol. He's been working since he was 13 so has a lot of experience which has benefitted him. Infact two of my older sisters one with degree and one without work the same job, and get the exact same good pay as teachers, they were both working at the same school at one time:up:.

[Honey87]

I think each situation is different. For some parents, a degree is very important, as they themselves may have not have had the opportunity, which in some cases, can affect living standards.

[bint]

maybe to women a degree symbolises $$'s

as we know many women certainly find money attractive
is that why there was a situation where a normal guy wanted to marry a girl cos she was rich? get real shamil, its not just womn who are gold diggers, there are men who are just as bad who love money that they are willing to marry - lazy people. both men and women.

[-Shamil-]

is that why there was a situation where a normal guy wanted to marry a girl cos she was rich? get real shamil, its not just womn who are gold diggers, there are men who are just as bad who love money that they are willing to marry - lazy people. both men and women.

a situation? just the one was it? i didnt say there were no guys like that

but i think you have to accept that when it comes to marriage - more often than not it will be the woman that is motivated by money, its common, seen it happen myself :rubeyes:

[razz]

salamz, i personally wanted a guy with higher education and a good standing degree. it is also true tht it depends, sometimes ppl wit degrees are actually making less than those without. but along with money, i think a degree entails other things as well such as a broader perspective in things etc........but this is my personal opinion. totally personal....im very cool with the fact tht i could be wrong ;)

[Asma-SE]

I just think that everyone has an open mind, if there was someone who wanted to marry you, they were very practising and religious, kind, had enough to support you, nice family blah blah and then they told you they didnt have a degree. In this case I dont think it would be a smart idea to dismiss them on that factor alone.

Everyone has a checklist of things they are looking for in a spouse but I think everything apart from Religion (and maybe basic attraction) on that list can be, you know...changed about a bit, or exceptions can be made if they dont fit exactly, I think education is one of them.

[bint]

a situation? just the one was it? i didnt say there were no guys like that

but i think you have to accept that when it comes to marriage - more often than not it will be the woman that is motivated by money, its common, seen it happen myself :rubeyes:
yeah one situation which just happened last week!

I dont care wether theres more women or more men whichever feels more drawn to money - all im saying is theyre both as bad as each other.

[-Shamil-]

true :up:

[Joha]

Important, if not working. Not so important if already working.

Although I think a university education brings with it a lot lot more than just the course. It isn't a test of intelligence, but it does give a reliable indicator. (Unless they've done medicine (or business, or management), in which case it's a terrible judge of intelligence :p)

For instance, if I wanted a nice philosophical discussion, it's highly unlikely somebody without an academic background would be able to rise to the challenge (some will, but it's rare).

It broadens the mind and exposes you to a huge range of methods, tools etc... other than the specific course itself. It also brings you into contact with people you would otherwise not have the opportunity of knowing, and that's always a useful experience (even if you violently disagree with them).

[muhammed_1428]

I would have been happy as a housewife LOL

You do realise some sisters go to uni, and even get an Msc and still decide to support their loved husbands by staying at home as a housewife should their be no requirement for extra income... (you kinda implied that housewives don't have degrees or are incapable of getting them! :torture: )

Intelligence shouldn't be measured by someones qualifications.

[MizMuslimahUK]

Salam

i think marrying a man with a degree is important. if a man doesn't have any higher education how can he get a job and provide for the family.me personally i wouldn't want to marry a man who doesn't have any higher education. if he doesn't have a higher education that means usually he wont have a good job.

thats not nessary true sis,i know of a sis whose husband has a good decree but works in a very lowpaid job. And an another sisters whose husband is new to the country and doesn't speak alot of english yet he makes alot more money than the brother with the decree.so its all depends on the person capability and determination.

I would advice you not to base your decsison of a spous on a decree, at the end of the day its not the decree that makes the money, rather its the persons determination.

[Joha]

I would advice you not to base your decsison of a spous on a decree, at the end of the day its not the decree that makes the money, rather its the persons determination.
Always on about money :p, Find someone who's educated...doesn't have to be a university education, but educated nonetheless, otherwise your sole conversation topic will be plumbing or football. And neither are very interesting :rolleyes:

[Asma-SE]

Always on about money :p, Find someone who's educated...doesn't have to be a university education, but educated nonetheless, otherwise your sole conversation topic will be plumbing or football. And neither are very interesting :rolleyes:

If I was a non-degree :coolbro:, i'd have to say i'd be insulted by such an assumption!

[muhammed_1428]

for sis niqaabi:

richard branson, sir alan sugar and even bill gates (I think) built their successful business without higher education.

Of course, I see what you mean regarding that its relatively easier to get a job with higher educaton, but were you implying that you wouldn't marry a man if he had no higher education even if he had developed a successful career without it?

Your degree becomes useless after the first five years of work experience.

Around 5 of my interviewers this year were in executive positions without degrees.

Of course its always something to fall back on should worst come to worst, but then again, the experience (after a number of years) essentially makes someones educational qualifications useless.

[Joha]

If I was a non-degree :coolbro:, i'd have to say i'd be insulted by such an assumption!

lol, I did say you don't have to be university educated to be educated.

It's those that don't bother studying, they're the problem - and there are a fair few lazy folks out there who haven't bothered doing anything since school, who know nothing about anything (except football)

I actually don't care about a person's career or job prospects - more about the sort of person they are (intellectually...) I don't want someone who'll go all blank as soon as you mention something remotely academic.

[`asiya]

I don't think its important, you know if someone is intelligent just by speaking to them. You can have people who go through university and there still as thick as a plank, likewise there are people who didnt get the oppourtunity to study and are still smart.



agreed, and another thing is that many end up studying and taking degrees, till they are about 25 + to me its like theyre still "at school" and some can still have the attitude of a school boy in some ways, as they have never worked, or provided and fended for themselves or lived on their own or known what it means to be responsible because they have been living with and off their mums and dads till that late age.

( plz notice the " some" obviously not all )

[Sorrow]

I think the best way to judge a person is when you are actually speaking to them, as this will give you a better idea of their intelligence, how they answer etc, though sometimes it can be hard to judge if the person is shy.

A degree is as some people have already mentioned useless really after a few years, and does not necessarily give you any advantage thereafter. During the 3-4 years a person ends up spending getting a degree, the non-degree person may have been working for that many years, and therefore if the degree person and non-degree person were to apply for the same job, the non-degree person is probably more likely to get the job because of his/her experience. Employees look at experience first and foremost. I've worked with people who have been to top universities and got top degrees, whose only skill I've ever really saw was they know how to look busy without actually doing any work or getting other people to do it.

At the same time I understand very well why parents may look for people with degrees as this is a measure they can use when short-listing who to see, on whether they are hard working or not.

Therefore I don't think we should criticize those who wish to marry a person with a degree, it is their choice and preference.

[miss-islamic]

a situation? just the one was it? i didnt say there were no guys like that

but i think you have to accept that when it comes to marriage - more often than not it will be the woman that is motivated by money, its common, seen it happen myself :rubeyes:

Because a women’s (and her kids in the future) life will be affected by how much money the husband makes? Especially when he is the sole provider. On the other hand, a man’s top superficial criteria, rather than wealth, is looks…it has always been like that for both genders.

[al-ghazalli]

It's better for a man who is going to be the sole bread winner for his family to have a strong secular education in the West.

Statistically speaking the people with the better jobs are those who have degrees. Of course one should always have tawaqul in Allah since he is the Best of of Providers but he also wants us to think logically.

In this day & age especially with a global recession on the loom it is better for us to have higher education.


And Allah Knows Best.

[Ebony]

Partly women want men who have degrees because anything otherwise would mean they married beneath themselves (in terms of education, capacity to earn etc). Unless you're marrying your cousin or someone from "back home", then degree's and whatnot don't make any difference as other factors are at play (such as strengthening family ties, "helping" poor family etc)

[LastFriday]

You know. This might play an important role in my marriage process, Since atm I don't have a distant education plan, and being an artist, it might play a..pretty big role...=\

[MalikOne™]

who sed u need an academic background to make good money

[Medievalist]

You wont believe the amount of offers I get, and its all cos of ma degree :inlove:


















jokezz :outta:

[Kal-El]

I know many talented and smarter people without degrees than ones with degrees.

[MMS]

guys that are good at maths and physics is :coolbro:

:outta:

[`asiya]

who sed u need an academic background to make good money

true that i have a family member left school age 15 and is a millionaire now, a cousin and a freind left school with no qualifications not even a decent gcse and are now earning 75 k a year plus bonuses, its all about the personality if u have a good brain and can present yourself well, then you're in insha Allah :coolbro:

[Um_yusuf]

I don't think its important, you know if someone is intelligent just by speaking to them. You can have people who go through university and there still as thick as a plank, likewise there are people who didnt get the oppourtunity to study and are still smart.

My husband doesnt have a degree, and I wouldnt have asked for one, my sister however is xtra and made fun of the fact he didnt have a degree. Shes 30, unmarried and jealous ;)

salaam sis

I agree completely, i personally know ppl who have been to uni , yet wen i've spoken to them , they sound as if they've not even been to school ,let alone uni!:rolleyes:

[Cartman]

it's hard to make a living in the US without a degree nowadays....

with that said Im typing this in college right now...classes beging in an hour

[Cartman]

I think the best way to judge a person is when you are actually speaking to them, as this will give you a better idea of their intelligence, how they answer etc, though sometimes it can be hard to judge if the person is shy.

A degree is as some people have already mentioned useless really after a few years, and does not necessarily give you any advantage thereafter. During the 3-4 years a person ends up spending getting a degree, the non-degree person may have been working for that many years, and therefore if the degree person and non-degree person were to apply for the same job, the non-degree person is probably more likely to get the job because of his/her experience. Employees look at experience first and foremost. I've worked with people who have been to top universities and got top degrees, whose only skill I've ever really saw was they know how to look busy without actually doing any work or getting other people to do it.

At the same time I understand very well why parents may look for people with degrees as this is a measure they can use when short-listing who to see, on whether they are hard working or not.

Therefore I don't think we should criticize those who wish to marry a person with a degree, it is their choice and preference.

but in the long run, the job opportunities that open up for someone with a degree will not be tehre for someone without one...especially someone with a degree in useful things..

[parwaaz]

guys that are good at maths and physics is :coolbro:

:outta:

what about girls who are good at maths and physics, they definitley cant be:coolbro:, so what do you think of them?

[Joha]

what about girls who are good at maths and physics, they definitley cant be:coolbro:, so what do you think of them?

oho... you clearly haven't seen any girls who're good at maths and physics then :p

*dives in trench*

[parwaaz]

oho... you clearly haven't seen any girls who're good at maths and physics then :p

*dives in trench*

no need to dive in trench! i am (well was) one of the sisters who was good at maths and physics before i was forced to change to other subjects. as maths/physiccs were not available in my area and would hav to be in a hostel(girls) at a uni(women). but that was not acceptable for my family!

just was wondering what MMS thinks of such women!

[MMS]

what about girls who are good at maths and physics, they definitley cant be:coolbro:, so what do you think of them?

erm im only interested in men that do maths and physics not women, thas jihaans expertise :o

[AhlaamYasmina]

Aside from your islamic education, it's quite important to have a strong academic background. I cannot remember the exact hadith and do feel free to remind me insha Allah, but there is one where our beloved prophet SCW says that the strong mu'min has more kheyr than the weak mu'min. The weak being one who has only aquired religious knowledge, and the strong being the one who has combined both religious and worldy knowledge. Insha Allah if we go with the sunnah then that will only make us stronger as individuals and as an Ummah as a whole. Also there's the hadith that says that Allah SWT has mercy on the person who knows his own limits. Apart from the direct translation this also means Allah has mercy on the person who realises his own potential. It's fine if you can support your family with your current job but insha Allah we should all aim to perfect our deen and that involves all aspects of life. w.s

[GothiKa]

who sed u need an academic background to make good moneyI have read studies conducted in America with respect to the correlation between people's academic background and the amount of money they make. Not surprisingly, degree holders, in general, earn much more than those educated up to high school or less.

Many people here have appealed to cases involving individuals who have made it big without obtaining degrees. Statistically speaking, such examples are a rarity. A college graduate is more likely to amass wealth than non-college graduates.

[Medievalist]

erm im only interested in men that do maths and physics not women, thas jihaans expertise :o

:rotfl: :rotfl:

[angel*]

Mmm i was just thinking - theres less chance of a good shaadi proposal if u dont have a degree, I know sum1 she's prolly the nicest sweetest person you culd ever wish to meet and she's much more intelligent than ,many of the people i know at uni. unfortunatly she's never been to uni, cuz at the age of 11 she went over to pakistan cuz her gran wasnt well and helped look after her, she went to school till the age of 16 when her gran bcame really ill and she had to leave cuz there wasnt any1 else to look after her apart from her mum whose ill aswell, anyway now at nearly 18 she's back, but her future loos bleak cuz shes not getting any good rishte bcuz she's not educated enuf, i think its really unfair...

[Overseer]

In my opinion, it's not a question of holding a degree in itself but more of the subject/field you hold it in. With all due respect, someone having a degree in Media Studies does not compare to one who holds it in a more a traditional subject such as Mathematics, Economics, Medicine etc.

I know a few individuals who have degrees but to be honest they would have been in a better position if they stuck to full time work and gained valuable experience.

[Muhyidin]

Salam

i think marrying a man with a degree is important. if a man doesn't have any higher education how can he get a job and provide for the family.

me personally i wouldn't want to marry a man who doesn't have any higher education. if he doesn't have a higher education that means usually he wont have a good job.

What about Further Education?

[Muhyidin]

Having read this thread, I can safely assume, there are five types of people:

1. Those who say what, they makes them look good,
2. Those who want to appease all sides, and don't really show a preference
3. Those who are actually honest, and say what they really feel, even if they come accross as shallow (I rate honesty!)
4. Those who will only find faults in what others say, nit pickers
and 5. The Others - Analysts, Observers & etc.

[Umm_Hanzalah]

Having read this thread, I can safely assume, there are five types of people:

1. Those who say what, they makes them look good,
2. Those who want to appease all sides, and don't really show a preference
3. Those who are actually honest, and say what they really feel, even if they come accross as shallow (I rate honesty!)
4. Those who will only find faults in what others say, nit pickers
and 5. The Others - Analysts, Observers & etc.

You would probably be 5 :p

[Miss-Neurofen]

You do realise some sisters go to uni, and even get an Msc and still decide to support their loved husbands by staying at home as a housewife should their be no requirement for extra income... (you kinda implied that housewives don't have degrees or are incapable of getting them! :torture: )

Intelligence shouldn't be measured by someones qualifications.


You do realise i was merely putting accross some light humour!!! I was implying that i would have been happy getting married INSTEAD of going uni... i made no implications of any sort, i was merely saying something which i would have preferred as opposed to going to uni!!

You shouldn't make such assumptions, you know what they say about assumption being the greatest downfall of mankind blah blah...

[miss-islamic]

Having read this thread, I can safely assume, there are five types of people:

1. Those who say what, they makes them look good,
2. Those who want to appease all sides, and don't really show a preference
3. Those who are actually honest, and say what they really feel, even if they come accross as shallow (I rate honesty!)
4. Those who will only find faults in what others say, nit pickers
and 5. The Others - Analysts, Observers & etc.

Hah, ain’t that the truth, especially in the context of forums... :up:

[Stylish-Girly]

A degree isnt important but a good academic background would be preferable .. Realistically aslong as he has a good working background everything should be cool, theres more value for experience rather than education in CV's so in the case of him becoming jobless theres still a high chance he'll find work sooner (in his field of work of course, which excludes food factories and factory factories) :p .. These days its the ones with degrees who are jobless and having difficulty finding work and of course who wouldnt want to marry an intelligent, confident brother.

[Lovetolaugh]

"Going to school is nice but having an education is better" Unknown author.

[tayfah-mansurah]

yeh i think its true, girls mostly choose husbands based on job title and salary, very shallow. their gonna make husbands broke too

Right for our parents a good academic background is very important, hence why i had to suffer the past four years, although I would have been happy as a housewife LOL,

But how important is an academic background?

Is it true girls, we go for intelligent men? And a degree is.... attractive???


we all know a degree is far from a test of intelligence...but what do you think of a good academic background?

[GuCcI]

yeh i think its true, girls mostly choose husbands based on job title and salary, very shallow. their gonna make husbands broke too

:eek:! no thats not truuuuue

my parents chose my husband :zzz:

but if they didnt and i had to pick, my criteria for a man would be someone who would have lots and lots of never ending love for me *blush and run away*

[Miss-Neurofen]

[QUOTE=GuCcI;2644585]:eek:! no thats not truuuuue

my parents chose my husband :zzz:

but if they didnt and i had to pick, my criteria for a man would be someone who would have lots and lots of never ending love for me *blush and run away*[QUOTE]

LOL... awwwww