With Or Without Hijab Part 2

[Um_yusuf]

Salaam

Do you think its better to wear hijab/jilbab aswell as light make up, or is it better to wear no hijab or jilbab and no make up

reasons for your answers would be appreciated

salaam

[OBL]

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[HafizRaakin]

makeup sort of defeats the purpose...but light make up is ok

[muslimahk]

makeup is used to make a sister more attractive and beautiful.

hijab is used to protect a sister, making her more modest and hide her beauty.

anyone see a contradiction?

[.: Anna :.]

hijab is fardh.
whether we shud have make up or not is another issue, and better if we dont wear it but doesnt justify to remove the hijab as that is compulsory so obviously this is better not to remove it.
ppl can not really justify it like "i dont wear hijab but atleast i dnt wear make up" that is not right

[UkhtAlMuslimeen]

:salams
hhmmm, yes hijaab is fardh regerdless if a sister wears make-up or not.
the only thing that kills it is when sisters dress up as barbie in their hijaab.....
you know like some khaliji women who parade up and down edgware rd wearing make-up which honestly reminds me of clowns :eek:

[Ebony]

Make up, laa ukhti, laa. haraam.

[Joha]

you know like some khaliji women who parade up and down edgware rd wearing make-up which honestly reminds me of clowns :eek:

oh I saw one the other day, wish I had a camera, she looked like a ghost, actually, even ghosts would have more respect for themselves. think she was a chuwaiti...

[UkhtAlMuslimeen]

oh I saw one the other day, wish I had a camera, she looked like a ghost, actually, even ghosts would have more respect for themselves. think she was a chuwaiti...
errmm..you mean kuwaiti..or do you mean something else?

[Um_yusuf]

salaam

jazakhAllah khair for the answers

I asked the question because i had a debate with a sister who says is better to wear no make up and no hijab, whereas i was saying that its better to wear light make up (if you really must, otherwise dnt wear it) and hijab then no hijab at all

I also agree with the fact that make up does defeat the purpose but some sisters wear light foundation to cover unsightly marks ie large prominent birthmarks etc, its not always about just trying to look 'pretty' or 'beautiful'

[Jihaan]

hijab is fardh.
whether we shud have make up or not is another issue, and better if we dont wear it but doesnt justify to remove the hijab as that is compulsory so obviously this is better not to remove it.
ppl can not really justify it like "i dont wear hijab but atleast i dnt wear make up" that is not right

:up:

[~Warda~]

Just because a woman doesnt wear make-up doesnt mean she wont look attractive- she could be naturally beautiful. Not wearing make-up doesnt hide ur beauty while hijab does, so i dont see the connection between the two.

[miss-islamic]

Hijab is fard. end of.

[Um_yusuf]

Just because a woman doesnt wear make-up doesnt mean she wont look attractive- she could be naturally beautiful. Not wearing make-up doesnt hide ur beauty while hijab does, so i dont see the connection between the two.

sis

The reason i asked this question is not to discuss make up but to make clear that hijab is fardh , theres no ifs or buts about it.
Yes its much better to wear hijab without make up

[Um_yusuf]

Hijab is fard. end of.

exactly sis, this is the point i want to make to sisters who DO NOT wear hijab at all

[EarlyBird]

i agree hijab is fard make up or no make up

wearing hijab doesnt mean make up is strictly not allowed. there are times when a woman is encouraged to look good, such as dressing up to please her husband.

Islam doesnt oppress us. Just because we wear hijab doesnt mean we cant look good.

[UkhtAlMuslimeen]

i agree hijab is fard make up or no make up

wearing hijab doesnt mean make up is strictly not allowed. there are times when a woman is encouraged to look good, such as dressing up to please her husband.

Islam doesnt oppress us. Just because we wear hijab doesnt mean we cant look good.
:salams
yes, of course a wife should dress up for her husband only ... but wearing make-up outside, means that the rest of the world also sees her..
i personally know a lot of people who take this concept of Allah :Swt: loves beauty to the extreme...

[EarlyBird]

its not taking it to an extreme, sometimes you just want to feel abit more "presentable" a lil bit of mascara wont kill any one but the dramatic look or over emphasis on eyes yh i agree needs to be toned down

[sada]

bismillahitaalaa...jazaKAllah khayr for ur question,ukhtee...i can't realise how they can concantrate together,haram and halal!what for is the hijab,isnt it protecting the beauty from haram eyes(one of the reasons),so why they try to make them more beautiful,who for,not for haram eyes!there are two reasons for it
1-their shareah knowledge is not mohkam,if so we always must try to explain the truth to them until they we can be sure they get it,if they accept so,we see that their imaan is in safe and with their tasleemayyah of course,if thet refuse,so they must check their imaan...
2-their aqeedah is not mohkam or they can't control nafs...this part is like the chronic pathologic illness but the poorset one,the illness is in the imaan and its cure is only hidaayah min Rabbee...

[Joha]

errmm..you mean kuwaiti..or do you mean something else?

lol, meant chuwaiti, just having a dig at them, they have a habit of sometimes (often!) replacing the 'k' sound with 'tch' as in kefitch...

[Hiking]

Do y'all class kajal as make up? :scratch:

[Slot]

By Hijab you just mean the scarf? I thought Hijab was the entire process of covering yourself. I also thought that if you wore makeup, you are not in Hijab?

Learn me a book. I have no knowledge of Hijab.

[neelu]

Sister, tell your friend it was a dumb loaded question because it doesn't even include the option of wearing khimar, jilbab AND no make up:o I get a bit tired of loaded questions like "Isn't it better to be an honest brother who doesn't pray or is it better to be a bearded namazi haji who commits fraud and is abusive towards others?":rolleyes: Nine times out of ten these questions are asked as a diversion so that the person can justify avoiding practising Islam, whether it means avoiding hijab, or avoiding prayers, or avoiding interest etc.

Btw I agree with the other replies, hijab is fard and has to be worn regardless whereas I see make up as a bit of a grey area. Natural-look light make up is okay but plastered on stuff is :nono:

[*Immortal Logic]

Salaam

Do you think its better to wear hijab/jilbab aswell as light make up, or is it better to wear no hijab or jilbab and no make up

reasons for your answers would be appreciated

salaam

:salams My sweet sister,
Yes of course, the hijab is something a sister should wear and a sister should also beautify herself (:alhumdull) for the pleasure of her husband and if this requires wearing light makeup then of course why not.

May all grant all brothers, pious loyal and beautiful wifes :insha:.

[*Immortal Logic]

By Hijab you just mean the scarf? I thought Hijab was the entire process of covering yourself. I also thought that if you wore makeup, you are not in Hijab?

Learn me a book. I have no knowledge of Hijab.

Salaam...


Burqa/Niqaab:
http://www.muslimbase.com/images/003618-three-piece-niqab.jpg

[sada]

bismillahi taalaa...:rolleyes:assalamualaikum...nooo,u can't relate this case with this Ayah!and if her husband allows her in outside also,do u think she is permitted to do it for her beautify,nooope...also at home,it's not jaiz according to lots of ulamaa,at least for taqwa...please,when we discuss about Islamic cases,we must depend on only daleels...
and for the first:it is not HİJAB...
wassalam...

[Hijabi_Solja]

Do y'all class kajal as make up? :scratch:

I thought it was sunnah to wear Kohl? No? I dont know if I would classify it as makeup because it serves a utilitarian purpose of protecting the eyes from sunlight


I think Hijab and light makeup (for husband) is ok, but then I think of wudu and every part of the face must be touched with water, wouldnt makeup create a barrier, making wudu invalid? I dunno thats a different topic, sorry Im weird today

[Cristiana]

I didn't read all the posts (I'm lazy sorry) but I'm sure everybody told you this: YES hijab, NO makeup.

No hijab+no makeup = doesn't look Muslim
Hijab+makeup = gives wrong picture of a muslim

I honestly don't know what's better...

This is a reminder to myself first: the most important thing of all is that hijab is not just a sqare of fabric, it's the physical expression of a certain state of mind. It is an instrument we use to achieve and preserve modesty in the way we appear and behave :up: or that's what it should be insha'Allah.

If you wear hijab for modesty you should automatically feel a certain way about makeup, even if light and tasteful. If one desn't feel that makeup is inappropriate because it defeats modesty, then it simply means there is some work to be done in terms of readinf, understanding and thinking about the concept:up:

Personally I wear only foundation and ONLY when I have bad skin and/or go somewhere hot and I'm likely to blush (I hate being pink:embar::embar::embar:). I must say I sometimes miss makeup. I used to wear it everyday, very subtle, but nice. I wasn't depending on it, it was just part of my regime...but I gave it up and insha'Allah I'll stop missing it someday.

Modesty is something we all need to work on insha'Allah.

[Um_yusuf]

okay jazakhAllah khair for the replies

it seems that some here misunderstand the question or miss the point. The point being you cannot justify not wearing hijab by saying 'oh well i dnt wear make up either'

[.: Anna :.]

bismillahi taalaa...:rolleyes:assalamualaikum...nooo,u can't relate this case with this Ayah!and if her husband allows her in outside also,do u think she is permitted to do it for her beautify,nooope...also at home,it's not jaiz according to lots of ulamaa,at least for taqwa...please,when we discuss about Islamic cases,we must depend on only daleels...
and for the first:it is not HİJAB...
wassalam...

which scholars have said that it is not permitted for her to wear make up in her own home? i have never heard this from ne ulema... :s

[me.sawda]

:salams
Hijab is must for any Muslimah and wearing make up/ do over's to that extent which, focuses extra attention for a sister at public place is always not recomended... That's all I have always known!
:jkk:

[PK Aali]

hijab is fardh unless you want to be hanged upside down with 1 hair

good luck with that

[dudette]

bismillah,

hows about hijab and no make up? doesn't that make complete sense? i think both those options are bad...sisters in hijab should refrain from wearing make up out of the home and sisters who don't wear hijab should inshaAllah, without the make up...

wa Allahu a3lam

[sis_niqabi]

salam

well if a woman wear no hijab doesn't it really matter after that whether she wear make up or not? because by her not covering her hair she's already exposed her adornments. so going without make up doesn't make it any better.

and as for wearing make up with hijab, it's wrong wearing make up with hijab defeats the purpose of the hijab. you are not suppose to wear make up when going out of the house where non-mahram men can see you.

[Mumtaz]

hijab is fardh.
whether we shud have make up or not is another issue, and better if we dont wear it but doesnt justify to remove the hijab as that is compulsory so obviously this is better not to remove it.
ppl can not really justify it like "i dont wear hijab but atleast i dnt wear make up" that is not right


I agree with Anna.

Hijab is fardh, no exuse.

[*Immortal Logic]

salam

well if a woman wear no hijab doesn't it really matter after that whether she wear make up or not? because by her not covering her hair she's already exposed her adornments. so going without make up doesn't make it any better.

and as for wearing make up with hijab, it's wrong wearing make up with hijab defeats the purpose of the hijab. you are not suppose to wear make up when going out of the house where non-mahram men can see you.


Salaam my dear sister, of course wearing the hijab and makeup and going out would defeat the propose of the hijab. However, i was speaking in the context of the wife wearing hijab and makeup at home to beautify herself for the pleasure of her husband. Or if the sister was in some kind of women's only environment. Sometimes, the issue can be about self esteem, some sisters might have blemishes on the skin and may need to wear makeup to raise self-esteem and confidence.

[sada]

bismillah...ayah 125 of surah nahl is related of daawah,tableegh,inviting to Islam in the best way...are u with me?
and of course at home,alone or near her mahram,we are allowed not to use hijab,satr however u call it but it doesnt mean we are allowed to look like gayri moslems!if u prefer their adorning methods to seem beautiful...remember the hadith,whoever looks like them,this one isnt from us...that's why i said above it is not jaiz for a moslemah...there are lots of ways to seem beautiful in Islam,alhamdulillah...and of course,we know how valuable to spend all day with 'wudoo',that's why also i said 'for taqwa'...wassalamualaikumwarahmatullah

[*Immortal Logic]

bismillah...ayah 125 of surah nahl is related of daawah,tableegh,inviting to Islam in the best way...are u with me?
and of course at home,alone or near her mahram,we are allowed not to use hijab,satr however u call it but it doesnt mean we are allowed to look like gayri moslems!if u prefer their adorning methods to seem beautiful...remember the hadith,whoever looks like them,this one isnt from us...that's why i said above it is not jaiz for a moslemah...there are lots of ways to seem beautiful in Islam,alhamdulillah...and of course,we know how valuable to spend all day with 'wudoo',that's why also i said 'for taqwa'...wassalamualaikumwarahmatullah

Salaam.

Well sometimes brothers just prefer a attractive wife...

[Chalenger]

of course with hijab ....of course no make up

[.: Anna :.]

bismillah...ayah 125 of surah nahl is related of daawah,tableegh,inviting to Islam in the best way...are u with me?
and of course at home,alone or near her mahram,we are allowed not to use hijab,satr however u call it but it doesnt mean we are allowed to look like gayri moslems!if u prefer their adorning methods to seem beautiful...remember the hadith,whoever looks like them,this one isnt from us...that's why i said above it is not jaiz for a moslemah...there are lots of ways to seem beautiful in Islam,alhamdulillah...and of course,we know how valuable to spend all day with 'wudoo',that's why also i said 'for taqwa'...wassalamualaikumwarahmatullah

wearing make up or looking nice doesnt mean u look like a non muslim.
ulema even encourage to adorn and look nice @ home for the sake of ur husband, this is something women did throughout history. its a misconception that it is equivilent to imitating kuffar :S
and applying make up doesn't break ur wudu..

[Hijabi_Solja]

:S
and applying make up doesn't break ur wudu..


my hubby would disagree :o...no make up he says (and no nail lacquer either) better safe than sorry :up:

:outta:

[.: Anna :.]

it doesn't matter if your husband "disagrees" that doesn't change the actual fact.
there are certain things which break wudu and putting make up onto ur face is not one of them. performing wudu with some impermiable make up (like nail varnish as u said) on is a different matter bc water wont reach the skin, but if u put make up on while u have wudu, this does not remove your wudu. never seen any evidence to say that is the case. we can't just make things up :S

[Tranquillity]

A lot of people misunderstand the point of make-up.
Basic, light make-up is about looking groomed and correcting blemishes/ uneven skin tone.
Lipstick, sparkly eye shadow etc is about beautifying.

anyway, the point of the hijab is not to make one look ugly, it is to preserve modesty.

[miss-islamic]

^Indeedy.:up:

[UkhtAlMuslimeen]

bismillah...ayah 125 of surah nahl is related of daawah,tableegh,inviting to Islam in the best way...are u with me?
and of course at home,alone or near her mahram,we are allowed not to use hijab,satr however u call it but it doesnt mean we are allowed to look like gayri moslems!if u prefer their adorning methods to seem beautiful...remember the hadith,whoever looks like them,this one isnt from us...that's why i said above it is not jaiz for a moslemah...there are lots of ways to seem beautiful in Islam,alhamdulillah...and of course,we know how valuable to spend all day with 'wudoo',that's why also i said 'for taqwa'...wassalamualaikumwarahmatullah
:salams
ukhti i see your point. obviously it is permissable and is encouraged for a women to adorn herself for her husband. sisters we should remember (and i think this is what the sister sada is getting at) ...is that wearing make up or looking beautiful for your husband does not have to be done the same way the kufar do. basically if your gona adorn yourself or whatever...theres no need to have every colour of the rainbow as eyeshadow ...and of course we should not pluck our eyebrows, as the prophet mohammed :saw: cursed those women who do that.
and it is true (believe it or not) ...thats some brothers do not like their wives to wear makeup.

[Sister-Ameena*]

hijab is fardh.
whether we shud have make up or not is another issue, and better if we dont wear it but doesnt justify to remove the hijab as that is compulsory so obviously this is better not to remove it.
ppl can not really justify it like "i dont wear hijab but atleast i dnt wear make up" that is not right

:salams Exactly, well put sister. :up:

[Lefthook]

makeup is used to make a sister more attractive and beautiful.

hijab is used to protect a sister, making her more modest and hide her beauty.

anyone see a contradiction?

You state one is to "make a sister more attractive and beautiful" whilst the other is to "hide her beauty." Not so much a contradiction as a redundancy. But for all intents and purposes, a bit contradictory.