Former Shiah refutes Mot'ah marriage (Temporary Marriage)

[Sawtul Islam]

Bismillahirrahmaanerraheem

Part 1

http://youtube.com/watch?v=FYQSLpYKJn4

Part 2

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yGomprTluB4

Part 3

http://youtube.com/watch?v=l9IDcT1q4Ns

Part 4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_nLFhU2Dq9c

Part 5

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Og6EBEoFtGw

Part 6

http://youtube.com/watch?v=Rp30zN-zrjg

Part 7

http://youtube.com/watch?v=B5wZw_YNEiE

Part 8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6U2oukxxtlg

Part 9

http://youtube.com/watch?v=HjUO8Kuz6dk

Part 10

http://youtube.com/watch?v=WANpc7WgCmQ

Part 11

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CxJwTGZU0JY

Part 12

http://youtube.com/watch?v=TkKY34qAgkw

Part 13

http://youtube.com/watch?v=_cKKe16Q3pA

Part 14

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-i5di8kTjJo

Part 15

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vAJt9NhW7Yc

Part 16

http://youtube.com/watch?v=CZoIYoPw8zI



No Shiah has been able to refute anything on this video. I have also sent it to Shiah websites who claim to refute Sunnis but they have not responded...

Have no doubt, Temporary Marriage is Haram and in an Islamic state the punishment for it is stonning.

[Sawtul Islam]

Reftuting Shia "ANSWERING-ANSAR" on Mot'ah part 1
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WNcdRSk7By4

Part 2
http://youtube.com/watch?v=OwsMdraeZQo

Part 3
http://youtube.com/watch?v=u3eWrEK6EIU

Part 4
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-f_5THYgHc8

[Sawtul Islam]

Reftuting Shia "ANSWERING-ANSAR" on Mot'ah part 5

http://youtube.com/watch?v=BsjQ11CX2sc

[Divine Love]

I'm not an expert but as far as I know Temp. Marriage was allowed unitl Othoman prohibited it. He made Allah's halal haram.
And a single shia's idea about prohibition of temp. marriage never disproves the claim of a number of greatest shia' Leaders.

[al-ghazalli]

I'm not an expert but as far as I know Temp. Marriage was allowed unitl Othoman prohibited it. He made Allah's halal haram.

no mut`ah was aborgated in the time of Prophet (Peace and Blessings be Upon Him). Infact the hadith is mass-transmitted by none other than Syedina Ali (May Allah be Pleased with Him) meaning the narration is mutwatir.

[Sawtul Islam]

I'm not an expert but as far as I know Temp. Marriage was allowed unitl Othoman prohibited it. He made Allah's halal haram.
And a single shia's idea about prohibition of temp. marriage never disproves the claim of a number of greatest shia' Leaders.

What on earth are you talking about? You obviously have not watched the video.

First of all, the claim of the Shiahs is that OMAR (ra) forbade it of his own accord, not Uthman (ra).

You're probably the first person in the world to say that Uthman (ra) was the first to forbid Temporary Marriage.


The above video proves in parts 1 and 2 that Omar (ra) was NOT the first person to forbid it, but that it was the Prophet (saw) and then Omar (ra) simply DECLARED that it is Haram after he heard that some people were still doing it after the death of the Prophet (saw).

Part 3 and 4 of the video prove that even from a Shiah perspectice Temporary Marriage should be Haram, and that the Shiahs are actually using excuses, because there are 2 chains for a Hadith that says ALI IBN ABI TALIB (ra) said it is Haram, one of which is narrated in the Shiah books and the other is narrated in Sunni books from a follower of Ahlul Bayt who narrates from the Ahlul Bayt.

There is also another narration from Dare Qutni that also says Ali (ra) said it is Haram.

There is one narration that says Ali (ra) supposedly believed Temporary Marriage was Halal, but the video explains that this narration doesn't even make any sense.


The video then goes on to quote a lot of different Sahabah who said it is HARAM, and then on parts 7, 8 and 9 the video explains that Temporary Marriage is NOT in fact in the Qur'an.

And from then on the video goes on to prove that Temporary Marriage was ABROGATED, and refutes many Shiah scholars includng Khomeini and Allameh Askari and others.

Then it explains the issue of Mut'ah al-Hajj, and then explains why a few of the Sahabah believed that Temporary Marriage was Halal and how later they were convinced that it is HARAM/Abrogated.


Then there is a 5 part video which refutes the Answering-ansar.org article on Temporary marriage.

[in_exile]

I'm not an expert but as far as I know Temp. Marriage was allowed unitl Othoman prohibited it. He made Allah's halal haram.
And a single shia's idea about prohibition of temp. marriage never disproves the claim of a number of greatest shia' Leaders.

so how much do you charge or pay for mutah just out of curiosity?

[Peacenik]

I hope the Shia in question also denounces the slanderous accusations by his sect (towards the Sahaba (ra) and the Wives (ra) of the Beloved Messenger (saaw)....)

[-BILAL-]

I'm not an expert but as far as I know Temp. Marriage was allowed unitl Othoman prohibited it. He made Allah's halal haram.
And a single shia's idea about prohibition of temp. marriage never disproves the claim of a number of greatest shia' Leaders.

Youre wrong, the prophet allowed it when one was away from his wife or in war i think, then disbanded it later on, let me find quote...

The Qur’an does not support this view. According to the very initial Surahs (chapters) of the Qur’an, like Surah Al-Mominun and Surah Al-Ma`arij the Qur’an specifically disallows all sexual relationships, besides that which are based on Nikah or that which were between a master and his slave girl. The Qur’an says:

And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and their slave girls – for they are not to be blamed. But those who trespass beyond this are the ones who are transgressors. (70: 29 - 31)

[Medievalist]

so how much do you charge or pay for mutah just out of curiosity?

shudnt be asking those kinda questions in public :buttkick:

[RazielTemp]

I hope the Shia in question also denounces the slanderous accusations by his sect (towards the Sahaba (ra) and the Wives (ra) of the Beloved Messenger (saaw)....)

I hope so too,

:jkk:

[Divine Love]

Ok, I should correct myself.
It was Umar who forbiddened what god had allowed.

Youre wrong, the prophet allowed it when one was away from his wife or in war i think, then disbanded it later on, let me find quote...

The Qur’an does not support this view. According to the very initial Surahs (chapters) of the Qur’an, like Surah Al-Mominun and Surah Al-Ma`arij the Qur’an specifically disallows all sexual relationships, besides that which are based on Nikah or that which were between a master and his slave girl. The Qur’an says:

And those who guard their chastity, except with their wives and their slave girls – for they are not to be blamed. But those who trespass beyond this are the ones who are transgressors. (70: 29 - 31)

Full of fallacies!
Do you know what you're talking about, borther?
According to what you said Mut'ah was allowed by prophet (pbuh) but later you said that it is haram according to Quran.
So the prophet was doing something against Quran (Nastajiro Bellah), right?

None of what you said is right.
Mut'ah was neither haram by qoran nor by Rasoul sunnah.

Here is evidence:

Qur'anic Evidences for the Legitimacy of Mut'ah

The Verse of Mut'ah (4:24)
[Forbidden to you] are married woman, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt'atum] with them, then give them their words. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is Knowing, Wise. [Al-Qur'an, Surah An-Nisa, Ayah 24]
Allah (swt) has used the word istimta'tum, which is the verbal form of the word Mut'ah. Many of the Sunni Tafsir writers agree that this verse explicitly deals with Mut’ah for example "Istimatum' here refers to Nikah Mut'ah and this is a form of Nikah where a couple for a specified time have ownership of one another, and when the time expires they separate without Talaq" [Tafseer Mazhari Volume 3 p. 18…]
We also read in Tafseer Dur al-Manthur Vol 2, P. 140 & 141 that Ibn Abbas(r) said: "Mut'ah was practised from the outset of Islam and the Companions would read the verse of Mut'ah with the words 'for a prescribed period'.

source: http://www.answering-ansar.org

So you sunni brothers should reconsider what you think about Mut'ah if you're practicing Quran and Sunna.

[Peacenik]

...greatest shia' Leaders.

The highest oxymoron (if ever there was one).

[Divine Love]

The highest oxymoron (if ever there was one).


What's your point in posting that? War of words?
Please don't post garbage if you don't have asnwer.
This is the type of respond I get from a sunni when he has nothing to confront the strong logics of Shia.

[OBL]

confront the strong logics of Shia.

you people have no logic.

[Divine Love]

you people have no logic.

You're not going to change anything by labeling people like that
if you have logic, present your reason for Mut'ah being haram.

[Enigma Dreamer]

I hope the Shia in question also denounces the slanderous accusations by his sect (towards the Sahaba (ra) and the Wives (ra) of the Beloved Messenger (saaw)....)
The brother is no longer a shia but a sunni, don't you read?

[Divine Love]

More Evidence for permissibility of Mut'ah

We read in Sahih Bukhari, Book of "Tafseer of Prophet":
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's
Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet
prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own
mind suggested."
Sahih Bukhari [Arabic], Kitab al Tafseer, Tradition 4559

[RazielTemp]

More Evidence for permissibility of Mut'ah

We read in Sahih Bukhari, Book of "Tafseer of Prophet":
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's
Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet
prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own
mind suggested."
Sahih Bukhari [Arabic], Kitab al Tafseer, Tradition 4559

Typical Shia deceit ...

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.527

READ ...

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:

Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle :saw: forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

end of.

the Shia's who practice Muta/Temporary Marriage, are Zani's Zaniyas/Adulterers ...

regards.

[Divine Love]

Typical Shia deceit ...

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.527

READ ...

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:

Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle :saw: forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

end of.

the Shia's who practice Muta/Temporary Marriage, are Zani's Zaniyas/Adulterers ...

regards.

To begin with, for the Ahl as-Sunnah to cite the words of Imam 'Ali (as) from Sahih al Bukhari in order to convince the Shi'a is indeed, very stupid. It goes against the rules of Sunni / Shi'a polemics. Its like a Christian seeking to mock Muslims for rejecting the divinity of Christ by citing the Bible as their evidence! We do not accept Bukhari because of the lies he perpetuated against the Prophet (s) and his family; we reference it because Sunnis accept it, not because we accept it ourselves. Therefore, when enemies of the Ahl al-Bayt (as) present arguments from a work that we already consider being rife with forgeries and lies, it is of no interest to us.

Moreover:

Reply I - History proves that this tradition is fabricated
Reply II - This narration is from az Zuhri the Nasibi so it can be rejected
Reply III - The narrators of this tradition are weak
Reply IV - Sunni and Shi'a traditions confirm that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was halaal.
Reply V - The Sunni 'ulama have themselves rejected the notion that Mut'ah was made haraam at Khayber

Here are the descriptions for each reply.
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap9.php

Sorry! you proved NOTHING.

[Ibnkuldun]

OH man, Mota is not allowed???

Oh dear, i'm going to need more of an incentive to change to shiaism now.

[Medievalist]

Divine Love:

are shia women allowed to do muta with nonshia men?

How much do they charge in Birmingham? ne ideas?

you got a number for me, er . . . its for me mate. ;)

[Divine Love]

Ending up with these insulting words shows that you have nothing to proove your false ideas.

[RazielTemp]

To begin with, for the Ahl as-Sunnah to cite the words of Imam 'Ali (as) from Sahih al Bukhari in order to convince the Shi'a is indeed, very stupid. It goes against the rules of Sunni / Shi'a polemics. Its like a Christian seeking to mock Muslims for rejecting the divinity of Christ by citing the Bible as their evidence! We do not accept Bukhari because of the lies he perpetuated against the Prophet (s) and his family; we reference it because Sunnis accept it, not because we accept it ourselves. Therefore, when enemies of the Ahl al-Bayt (as) present arguments from a work that we already consider being rife with forgeries and lies, it is of no interest to us.

Moreover:

Reply I - History proves that this tradition is fabricated
Reply II - This narration is from az Zuhri the Nasibi so it can be rejected
Reply III - The narrators of this tradition are weak
Reply IV - Sunni and Shi'a traditions confirm that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was halaal.
Reply V - The Sunni 'ulama have themselves rejected the notion that Mut'ah was made haraam at Khayber

Here are the descriptions for each reply.
http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap9.php

Sorry! you proved NOTHING.

Your arrogance is Disturbing, the Hadith Quoted from the second Most authentic book on earth, Saheeh Al-Bukhari, states that Rasulullah :saw: said that Muta marriage is Prohibited/Forbidden,

now which part of that did you not understand?

and so now your saying that Ali(ra) contradicted himself when he stated the verdict of Rasulullah :saw:? :eek3:

your replys are all your own concoctions, I confirmed with reference to Saheeh Al-Bukhari, that the hadith about the Prohibition of Muta by Rasulullah :saw: exists and is authentic,

Saheeh Al-Bukhari does not contain any Fabrications, but seeing as your another twisted Shia stating this, I'm not surprised ...

you have been Proven wrong, Muta Marriage has been Prohibited by the Messenger of Allah Ta'ala, Muhammad :saw:

I repeat the Hadith in Saheeh Al-Bukhari, again ....

Volume 5, Book 59, Number 527:

Narrated 'Ali bin Abi Talib:

On the day of Khaibar, Allah's Apostle :saw: forbade the Mut'a (i.e. temporary marriage) and the eating of donkey-meat.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/hadithsunnah/bukhari/059.sbt.html#005.059.527

who forbade it? Rasulullah :saw:

hence it is Forbidden.

If you want to have one night stands and commit zina and try out women, then thats your problem, but have the decency not to make filthy accusations against Islam.

[Divine Love]

You don't have to repeat it.
As I said before, you can't prove what you claim using Sahih Bukhari as reference.
Because we don't consider that a reliable source.
BUT we can use it to disprove you because you accept Sahih Bukhari

Ali (Allayhesalam) had never said that Mut'ah was Haram.
The tradition that you've posted twice is NOT authentice and fabricated.
I don't know you even bothered to try the link I provided for you or not.
So I post it here:

Reply IV - Sunni and Shi'a traditions confirm that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was halaal.
We should also point out that the idea that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was haram, as the Khayber hadeeth suggest, contradicts basic facts of history. The following hadeeth is present in important Sunni commentaries:

Ali (RA) said: If it were not for Umar forbidding Mutah, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a Shaqi (a wretched person."

We have quoted the above reference from books belonging to both Sects, they were:

1. Authoritative Sunni source Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 2 page 140, Ayat Mut'ah
2. Authoritative Shi'a source Tahdeeb al Ahkam Volume 2 page 186, Masala Mut'ah

Both sources quote these words of Maula 'Ali (as) We see that Maula 'Ali (as) held Umar personally liable for all future acts of Zina, hence any narration where Imam 'Ali (as) said that Mut'ah is haram is to be dis-guarded.

In Tafsfeer Durr al-Manthur, we also read:

Narrated Abdulrazaq and Abu Dawoud in (book) Nasikh and narrated ibn Jareer from al-Hakam that he was asked whether the verse on Mut'ah has been abrogated, he said: "No, Ali (ra) said that if it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrongdoer).”
Tafseer Dur al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 486

All the narrators of this tradition are authentic. Muhammad bin al-Muthna: Imam Dhahabi called him Thiqa.
Muhammad bin Jafar: Dhahabi says that he was one of the most accurate narrators.
Shu'ba bin al-Hajaj: According to Imam Dhahabi he is Ameer ul Mumineen in hadith.
Al-Hakam bin Utebah al-Kindi: According to Imam Dhahabi he is thiqah and 'sahib sunnah'.


Reply V - The Sunni 'ulama have themselves rejected the notion that Mut'ah was made haraam at Khayber

Beyond this, we also see that the Sunni scholars have rejected the narration of Bukhari and Muslim wherein Mut'ah was banned on the Day of Khayber. We shall rely on the following authentic Sunni sources as proof:

Umdatul Qari Volume 8 page 311
Zaad al Maad Volume 3 page 403 Ghazwa Khayber
Fathul Bari Volume 9 page 168
Irshad al Sari, fi Sharh Bukhari
Rowz Al Anf vol. 4 pg. 59 (printed 1391 AH)
Seera Halabiyah vol.3 pg.45

We read in Umdatul Qari:

وقال ابن عبد البر وذكر النهي عن المتعة يوم خيبر غلط وقال السهيلي النهي عن المتعة يوم خيبر لا يعرفه أحد من أهل السير ورواة الأثر

Ibn Abdulbar said: 'Prohibition of Mutah on the day of Khaybar is wrong'. al-Sehli said: 'The prohibition of Mutah on day of Khaybar, no one amongst the historians and narrators know about it.'

We read in Zaad al Maad

والصحيح : أن المتعة إنما حرمت عام الفتح

"The statement prohibiting Mut'ah during the victory of Makka is more Sahih."
Zaad al Maad, Volume 3 page 403

In Rowz Al Anf and Seera Halabiyah, it is said that Suhaili commented:

This is something that no one involved in the Seerah and the history of Allah's Messenger (S) has ever acknowledged (that Mut'ah was prohibited on Khayber).

In 'Irshad Al Sari' the commentary of Bukhari, Sharh al Mawaahib Luduniyah by Zarqani vol.2 pg. 239, and Sharh al Muwatta vol.2 pg. 24, Abu Omar's opinion on the prohibition of Mut'ah at Khayber are cited:

This is absolutely wrong. Temporary marriage never took place in Khayber.

In various Sunni books, Abu Awaanah is quoted as writing in his Sahih:

وقال أبو عوانة في صحيحه سمعت أهل العلم يقولون : معنى حديث علي أنه نهى يوم خيبر عن لحوم الحمر ، وأما المتعة فسكت عنها

"I have heard scholars saying that the tradition related of Ali only talked of the prohibition of the eating of the meat of domestic asses and there was no mention of Mut'ah, and the tradition is silent on that matter".
1. Fathul Bari, Volume 9 page 145
2. Neel al Autaar, Volume 6 page 146
3. Sunan Baihaqi, Volume 7 pageg 201
4. Subul Islam, Volume 4 page 485
5. Zaad al Maad Volume 1 page 443

Do the Wahabi 'ulama consider themselves more knowledge than these scholars?

[Divine Love]

So Ali never forbaded Mut'ah. Because It had been halal at the time of Prophet and as I explained before, it is even mentioned in Quran in sura Nesa that Mut'ah was halal and as a kind of marriage. No one had the right to change the order of Allah based on his own personal assumptions or desires.

So Umar had no right to change the order of Allah and commit such a bid'a.

[Medievalist]

Ending up with these insulting words shows that you have nothing to proove your false ideas.

Why you being like that for? Help a brother out. I aint got into this lil debate with you, I just want a number man and some guidelines on the going rate.

Does your sister do it? How much is she?

[kamal804]

all muslims (sunnies and shi'as) claim that their religion is the most perfect in the world. i have a question: islam with a solution for whom that have not access to their wives or cant marry, is more perfect or without that solution?

please dont say muta is Zina because it means that the massenger (pboh) has allowed to muslims to do it at least for a while.

[Divine Love]

all muslims (sunnies and shi'as) claim that their religion is the most perfect in the world. i have a question: islam with a solution for whom that have not access to their wives or cant marry, is more perfect or without that solution?

please dont say muta is Zina because it means that the massenger (pboh) has allowed to muslims to do it at least for a while.

Yeah, That question would be the last bullet to the dead body of sunni claim that mut'ah is haram.

[Pippin1376]

all muslims (sunnies and shi'as) claim that their religion is the most perfect in the world. i have a question: islam with a solution for whom that have not access to their wives or cant marry, is more perfect or without that solution?

please dont say muta is Zina because it means that the massenger (pboh) has allowed to muslims to do it at least for a while.

I have a question, this might sound stupid but I have been wondering this, are women allowed to do mut'ah? I've heard that there are only certain cases, but generally people only say men who can't find a spouse. What about women who can't find anyone?

[Divine Love]

Salam
They can. If a woman is not allowed to do Muta'h whom are men going to make mut'ah marriage with? :rubeyes:
So yes it was a rather stupid question (I was kidding brother) :D

[Pippin1376]

Salam
They can. If a woman is not allowed to do Muta'h whom are men going to make mut'ah marriage with? :rubeyes:
So yes it was a rather stupid question (I was kidding brother) :D

hehe, I realize that, but I heard that it is only done for certain kind of females and that not every girl can do it. Also what happens if she gets pregnant?

[Divine Love]

Temp marriage is just like permanent marriage and so does the case of pergnancy.
Generally marriage in islam is intended to give the sexual relationships a human and rightful form.
In zina there is no context for talking about rights or morality and that's why the two sides get hurt. Becasue they consider no risponsibility toward each other but to do their best to satisfy their sexual desire best. So I call it an animal sexual relationship.
But marriage in contrast, makes the two sides legally and morally responsible toward each other so that they can sue each other if any of them violated the rights of the other.

[kamal804]

hehe, I realize that, but I heard that it is only done for certain kind of females and that not every girl can do it
every girl who is adult (rashideh) can do it, otherwise she needs her father's permission.

Also what happens if she gets pregnant?

naturally she has a legitimate baby.
as all of you know, there are a lot illegitimate kids in western countries because of boy/girl friend relationship and unfortunately it has transmitted Muslim societies too, so the best way to exit of this problem is Mut'a(temporary marriage) and we (shi'a) glad that our religion has not incompetence of this aspect.:up: :D

[Pippin1376]

:jkk: for answering the questions :)

every girl who is adult (rashideh) can do it, otherwise she needs her father's permission.
Another stupid question most likely, but what do you mean if she isn't an adult she'd need her father's permission? With marriage you always need a Wali, is it not the same with Mut'ah?

[Sawtul Islam]

Ok, I should correct myself.
It was Umar who forbiddened what god had allowed.



Full of fallacies!
Do you know what you're talking about, borther?
According to what you said Mut'ah was allowed by prophet (pbuh) but later you said that it is haram according to Quran.
So the prophet was doing something against Quran (Nastajiro Bellah), right?

None of what you said is right.
Mut'ah was neither haram by qoran nor by Rasoul sunnah.

Here is evidence:

Qur'anic Evidences for the Legitimacy of Mut'ah

The Verse of Mut'ah (4:24)
[Forbidden to you] are married woman, except what your right hand possesses. This Allah has written for you, and all other women besides these are permitted to you, so that you may seek them out with your wealth, seeking chastity and not fornication. So when you have contracted temporary marriage [istimt'atum] with them, then give them their words. There is no sin on you for whatever you agree to after this. Indeed, Allah is Knowing, Wise. [Al-Qur'an, Surah An-Nisa, Ayah 24]
Allah (swt) has used the word istimta'tum, which is the verbal form of the word Mut'ah. Many of the Sunni Tafsir writers agree that this verse explicitly deals with Mut’ah for example "Istimatum' here refers to Nikah Mut'ah and this is a form of Nikah where a couple for a specified time have ownership of one another, and when the time expires they separate without Talaq" [Tafseer Mazhari Volume 3 p. 18…]
We also read in Tafseer Dur al-Manthur Vol 2, P. 140 & 141 that Ibn Abbas(r) said: "Mut'ah was practised from the outset of Islam and the Companions would read the verse of Mut'ah with the words 'for a prescribed period'.

source: http://www.answering-ansar.org

So you sunni brothers should reconsider what you think about Mut'ah if you're practicing Quran and Sunna.



This is refuted on parts 7, 8 and 9 of the video.


Please watch the video before you comment.

[Sawtul Islam]

What's your point in posting that? War of words?
Please don't post garbage if you don't have asnwer.
This is the type of respond I get from a sunni when he has nothing to confront the strong logics of Shia.


LOL!!! That is what You are doing, you're just copying and pasting from answering-ansar website even though my video already refutes EVERY SINGLE ARGUMENT made on that website.

If you had bothered watching the video you would not have posted any of those lies.

[Sawtul Islam]

So Ali never forbaded Mut'ah. Because It had been halal at the time of Prophet and as I explained before, it is even mentioned in Quran in sura Nesa that Mut'ah was halal and as a kind of marriage. No one had the right to change the order of Allah based on his own personal assumptions or desires.

So Umar had no right to change the order of Allah and commit such a bid'a.


Watch part 1 of the video, Temporary Marriage was abrogated by ALLAH (swt) and when Omar (ra) found that some people were still doing it and were unaware of its abrogation he told people that the Prophet (saw) had forbidden it, and so did Ali (ra) and Sabrah Al-Johanni. and so did many many many of the Sahabah whom I mention on the video.



By the way I have read the entire answering-ansar article on mut'ah and have refuted the WHOLE THING, watch the videos I posted.

[Sawtul Islam]

You don't have to repeat it.
As I said before, you can't prove what you claim using Sahih Bukhari as reference.
Because we don't consider that a reliable source.
BUT we can use it to disprove you because you accept Sahih Bukhari

Ali (Allayhesalam) had never said that Mut'ah was Haram.
The tradition that you've posted twice is NOT authentice and fabricated.
I don't know you even bothered to try the link I provided for you or not.
So I post it here:

Reply IV - Sunni and Shi'a traditions confirm that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was halaal.
We should also point out that the idea that Imam 'Ali (as) believed that Mut'ah was haram, as the Khayber hadeeth suggest, contradicts basic facts of history. The following hadeeth is present in important Sunni commentaries:

Ali (RA) said: If it were not for Umar forbidding Mutah, no one would commit (the sin of) fornication except a Shaqi (a wretched person."

We have quoted the above reference from books belonging to both Sects, they were:

1. Authoritative Sunni source Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 2 page 140, Ayat Mut'ah
2. Authoritative Shi'a source Tahdeeb al Ahkam Volume 2 page 186, Masala Mut'ah

Both sources quote these words of Maula 'Ali (as) We see that Maula 'Ali (as) held Umar personally liable for all future acts of Zina, hence any narration where Imam 'Ali (as) said that Mut'ah is haram is to be dis-guarded.

In Tafsfeer Durr al-Manthur, we also read:

Narrated Abdulrazaq and Abu Dawoud in (book) Nasikh and narrated ibn Jareer from al-Hakam that he was asked whether the verse on Mut'ah has been abrogated, he said: "No, Ali (ra) said that if it were not for Umar forbidding it, no one would commit (the sin) of fornication except the wretched (Shaqi; an utmost wrongdoer).”
Tafseer Dur al-Manthur, Volume 2 page 486

All the narrators of this tradition are authentic. Muhammad bin al-Muthna: Imam Dhahabi called him Thiqa.
Muhammad bin Jafar: Dhahabi says that he was one of the most accurate narrators.
Shu'ba bin al-Hajaj: According to Imam Dhahabi he is Ameer ul Mumineen in hadith.
Al-Hakam bin Utebah al-Kindi: According to Imam Dhahabi he is thiqah and 'sahib sunnah'.


Reply V - The Sunni 'ulama have themselves rejected the notion that Mut'ah was made haraam at Khayber

Beyond this, we also see that the Sunni scholars have rejected the narration of Bukhari and Muslim wherein Mut'ah was banned on the Day of Khayber. We shall rely on the following authentic Sunni sources as proof:

Umdatul Qari Volume 8 page 311
Zaad al Maad Volume 3 page 403 Ghazwa Khayber
Fathul Bari Volume 9 page 168
Irshad al Sari, fi Sharh Bukhari
Rowz Al Anf vol. 4 pg. 59 (printed 1391 AH)
Seera Halabiyah vol.3 pg.45

We read in Umdatul Qari:

وقال ابن عبد البر وذكر النهي عن المتعة يوم خيبر غلط وقال السهيلي النهي عن المتعة يوم خيبر لا يعرفه أحد من أهل السير ورواة الأثر

Ibn Abdulbar said: 'Prohibition of Mutah on the day of Khaybar is wrong'. al-Sehli said: 'The prohibition of Mutah on day of Khaybar, no one amongst the historians and narrators know about it.'

We read in Zaad al Maad

والصحيح : أن المتعة إنما حرمت عام الفتح

"The statement prohibiting Mut'ah during the victory of Makka is more Sahih."
Zaad al Maad, Volume 3 page 403

In Rowz Al Anf and Seera Halabiyah, it is said that Suhaili commented:

This is something that no one involved in the Seerah and the history of Allah's Messenger (S) has ever acknowledged (that Mut'ah was prohibited on Khayber).

In 'Irshad Al Sari' the commentary of Bukhari, Sharh al Mawaahib Luduniyah by Zarqani vol.2 pg. 239, and Sharh al Muwatta vol.2 pg. 24, Abu Omar's opinion on the prohibition of Mut'ah at Khayber are cited:

This is absolutely wrong. Temporary marriage never took place in Khayber.

In various Sunni books, Abu Awaanah is quoted as writing in his Sahih:

وقال أبو عوانة في صحيحه سمعت أهل العلم يقولون : معنى حديث علي أنه نهى يوم خيبر عن لحوم الحمر ، وأما المتعة فسكت عنها

"I have heard scholars saying that the tradition related of Ali only talked of the prohibition of the eating of the meat of domestic asses and there was no mention of Mut'ah, and the tradition is silent on that matter".
1. Fathul Bari, Volume 9 page 145
2. Neel al Autaar, Volume 6 page 146
3. Sunan Baihaqi, Volume 7 pageg 201
4. Subul Islam, Volume 4 page 485
5. Zaad al Maad Volume 1 page 443

Do the Wahabi 'ulama consider themselves more knowledge than these scholars?




Watch parts 2 to 6 of the video I posted, there I explained why there seems to be a contradiction between the Hadiths and that the Older versions of the narration do not contradict.


The narration that says Ali (ra) said Mut'ah is Haram has a narrator Missing from the chain which makes it unauthentc by any standards, and it contradicts the belief of all Muslims as it implies that both Ali (ra) and Omar (ra) were disobeying the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).

It makes no sense and has a person missing from the chain and contradicts many Sahih narrations so the obvious conclusion is that it is fabricated.


However the narration where Ali (ra) says Mut'ah is Haram has been narrated by two different chains, one in Shiah books and the other in Sunni books with a SAHIH chain.

Also there is yet another narration from dare qutni where Ali (ra) says it is Haram.

So we have Very clear proof that Ali (ra) said Mut'ah is Haram and have one unauthentic meaningless contradicotry narration that says he said it is Halal.

So if you believe that Ali (ra) said it is Halal, you must also say that Ali (ra) also disobeyed the Sunnah, which is something no Muslim would say (the narration was most likely fabricated by the khawarij).

[in_exile]

Why you being like that for? Help a brother out. I aint got into this lil debate with you, I just want a number man and some guidelines on the going rate.

Does your sister do it? How much is she?

ha ha you were cussing me *rotfl*

[kamal804]

:jkk: for answering the questions :)


Another stupid question most likely, but what do you mean if she isn't an adult she'd need her father's permission? With marriage you always need a Wali, is it not the same with Mut'ah?

mut'ah is as same as marriage, difference just is in some details (forua) like inheritance, Nafaqeh and Qismah (to sleep with her couple in same bed one time every four night)

[Sawtul Islam]

More Evidence for permissibility of Mut'ah

We read in Sahih Bukhari, Book of "Tafseer of Prophet":
Narrated 'Imran bin Husain:
"The Verse of Mut'a was revealed in Allah's Book, so we did it at the time of Allah's
Apostle, and nothing was revealed in Quran to make it illegal, nor did the Prophet
prohibit it till he died. But a man (who regarded it illegal) expressed what his own
mind suggested."
Sahih Bukhari [Arabic], Kitab al Tafseer, Tradition 4559



LOL!!!! You did not even watch part 1 of the video!!!

Everyone watch part 1 http://youtube.com/watch?v=FYQSLpYKJn4 you will see that in it I say that Shiahs use the narration of Imran ibn Hussain in a deceptve way, and this is EXACTLY what "Divine Love" (the above user) has done!!!

[Sawtul Islam]

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/mutah/en/chap9.php

Sorry! you proved NOTHING.

Actually it is You who proved nothing. I made all these videos refuting that website and other Shiah writers and scholars, and in response you post that website back at me without even watching my refutation of it... you're acting like a robot on a mission to defend Mut'ah, it's obvious that you didn't even watch ONE of the videos I posted.

[al-ghazalli]

This thread is going to be locked. This is not a debates section.

The opinion of Ahl as-Sunnah is mass narrated by Syedina Ali (May Allah be Pleased with Him) that mut`ah was aborgated.

Imam Kamal ibn al-Humam the great Hanafi Jurist states;

“As for the evidence for the abrogation itself it is that which Muslim recorded in his Sahih that, “The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) forbade it on the Day of the Opening (of Makka). And in both the Sahih collections (f: Bukhari & Muslim) that, “The Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) forbade it on the Day of (the battle of) Khaybar.” This is understood to mean it was abrogated twice…

And in Sahih Muslim, the Prophet (Allah bless him and give him peace) is recorded to have said, “…Allah has forbidden it [temporary marriage] until the Day of Judgement.”

We also have a narration from Imam Jafar as-Siddiq when asked about Muta said;

ونقل البيهقي عن جعفر بن محمد أنه سئل عن المتعة فقال هي الزنا بعينه

'It is Zina itself'.