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*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:17 PM

I am a kitchen manger in a McDonald's - and I have noticed since I have started helping around in the dining area (to get a promotion) I have noticed many Muslims coming into buy food.

I have noticed majority of the time hijab and niqaabi Muslim females coming in with spouses/brothers to buy food. I noticed one hijabed female and a bearded Muslim man who came in together buy some BIG MACS and bacon Deli. They did eat it I was watching them. Some Muslims come in and buy a fillet, and sometimes I want to tell them its haraam, but then I eat fillets myself, so I think I should leave it... But eating pork? do you think I should start saying something to them?

Buy the way... for the record... I eat fillets and fries from Mcdonalds. Even though some say its haram as the same oil is used to fry pork in. But I know the oil is also filtered so if you eat a filled, the oil will be filtered and not have traces of other foods in it, as it would contaminate the other food.

So I figure we drink tap water which is also filtered so why can't we eat fillets aleast its not filtered urine. As most tap water is.

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:18 PM

Belive me, I was in utter shock when I saw the niqaabi woman eating a bacon deli... Now I don't get too shocked about it... Whats so go about bacon? I have eaten it once by mistake, it tastes disguesting...

`asiya

13-05-08, 06:22 PM

well first thing before u get shocked at what others are doing is to realise that a very important part of your deen is to enjoin the good and forbid the evil Allah ta ala says in the Quran:

“Let there arise out of you a group of people inviting to all that is good (Islam), enjoining Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam orders one to do) and forbidding Al-Munkar (polytheism and disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden). And it is they who are the successful” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:104]

so how can u be working selling haram produce and encouraging this evil..

Allah says :

“You (true believers in Islamic Monotheism, and real followers of Prophet Muhammad and his Sunnah) are the best of peoples ever raised up for mankind; you enjoin Al-Ma‘roof (i.e. Islamic Monotheism and all that Islam has ordained) and forbid Al-Munkar (polytheism, disbelief and all that Islam has forbidden), and you believe in Allaah” [Aal ‘Imraan 3:110]

“Those among the Children of Israel who disbelieved were cursed by the tongue of Dawood (David) and ‘Eesa (Jesus), son of Maryam (Mary). That was because they disobeyed (Allaah and the Messengers) and were ever transgressing beyond bounds.

They used not to forbid one another from Al-Munkar (wrong, evildoing, sins, polytheism, disbelief) which they committed. Vile indeed was what they used to do" [al-Maa’idah 5:78]

the prophet salallahu alleyhi wa salam said:

“Religion is sincerity.” We said, “To whom?” He said, “To Allaah and His Book, and His Messenger, and to the leaders of the Muslims and their common folk.”

(Narrated by Muslim).

“Whoever among you sees an evil action, let him change it with his hand [by taking action]; and if he cannot, then with his tongue [by speaking out]; and if he cannot, then with his heart [by feeling that it is wrong] – and that is the weakest of faith.”

(Narrated by Muslim)

so find another job brother insha Allah it will be better for u and for your akhira.

`asiya

13-05-08, 06:33 PM

Grocery store selling foods containing pork ingredients

Question:
Is it permissible to sell foods which contain pork or alcohol? There are many Muslims in America who own grocery stores where they sell beer, pork and tobacco, or they work in such stores.

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible to sell that which it is haraam to eat or to use – this includes the things mentioned in the question.

From Fataawaa al-Lajnah al-Daa’imah, 13/47

Islam Q&A
Sheikh Muhammed Salih Al-Munajjid

`asiya

13-05-08, 06:34 PM

Working in a store which sells pork pizza

Question:
I just completed my master in computer scince and am now looking for a job. My Question is that during my study and now I am working in a pizza store as a delivery person which is owned by a 'Qadiani', and he is selling pork pizza. Can I work in his store because most of the pizza orders are pork pizza?

Answer:

Praise be to Allaah.

It is not permissible for you to do work which involves carrying pork and delivering it to the people who are going to eat it. Because by doing so you are taking part and cooperating in sin. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):
"Help you one another in al-birr and al-taqwa (virtue, righteousness and piety); but do not help one another in sin and transgression…" [al-Maa’idah 5:2]
We ask Allaah to help you find acceptable work and a halaal income, for He is the All-Hearing Who answers prayers.

"… And whoever fears Allaah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make a way for him to get out (from every difficulty). And He will provide him from (sources) he never could imagine…" [al-Talaaq 65:2]

Islam Q&A

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:40 PM

so find another job brother insha Allah it will be better for u and for your akhira.

Thanks sister, but I am a cultural Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim), who believes in Naturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)). So the afterlife is a mute point with me. Sorry.

Ibrahim70

13-05-08, 06:42 PM

LastFriday

13-05-08, 06:45 PM

ok. I'll be frank with you bro. A LOT OF people DON'T KNOW BACON IS!! and ALOT OF people dont know what SALAMI IS! they are all PORK! My parents had no clue what bacon, salami, ham, pepporoni etc etc. was, now they do. Those niqaabi and bearded muslim folks might just be going with the opinion that eating meat outside is fine since its from the eh-lal Kitaab folks, as some scholars say. Once again Frankly speaking why did you NOT TELL THEM?....its PORK, its not even a thing which we have Ikhtilaaf over, I doubt ANY of, even the deviated sects disagree over the fact that Pork is haram! I highly doubt they weren't fullfilling their "desires" You should always say something! Pork, Alcohol...these are fundamental things, I mean, if they werent niqaabi's, I mean cmon even though you shouldn't judge them by just their outward appearance, them having beards and niqaab shows that they know at least A LITTLE BIT of their religion. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt.

WheN i came to US i didn't know what bacon was either. or pepporoni.

`asiya

13-05-08, 06:46 PM

LastFriday

13-05-08, 06:47 PM

Thanks sister, but I am a cultural Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim), who believes in Naturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)). So the afterlife is a mute point with me. Sorry.

Cultural Muslim (Also known as Secular Muslims, Non-Religious Muslims, Liberal Muslims, Western Muslims, or Rationalist Muslims) is a general term used to define a group of people who are identified by association with a Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim) community rather than Islamic (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam) faith (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion) or rituals (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rituals).

Are you kidding mE? Tell me that is a JOKE...:rubeyes: What kind of a benefit do these people want from being a muslim if their not going to be "practicing" o.O. The pride?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:48 PM

:eek: please explain Ahki

Sorry, brother. But I don't think according to the current definition and attributes of god, that such a god can exist. But I am not anti Islam, or anything I love Islam, and many of its concepts and rituals and I regularly practice Islam concepts, which give me a sense of identity and well being.

*Aqsa*

13-05-08, 06:50 PM

:rubeyes: WOAH man really?:mad:

u shud tell 'em! :buttkick:

Ibrahim70

13-05-08, 06:50 PM

Sorry, brother. But I don't think according to the current definition and attributes of god, that such a god can exist. But I am not anti Islam, or anything I love Islam, and many of its concepts and rituals and I regularly practice Islam concepts, which give me a sense of identity and well being.

:shock:

errrr ok Brother, but for the sake of your own soul i would recommend that you read more into Islam and Allah, cause I fear for you Bro

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:51 PM

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 06:54 PM

your a what ?

so u dont beleive in Islam?

I think there is a conflict with my heart and mind.

Ibrahim70

13-05-08, 06:54 PM

Sorry, am just having a hard time with the concept of god, but I am an open minded person, and like to seek truth. I don't reject something for the sake of being provocative or sensationalist. It just doesn't make sense to me, perhaps I am mislead. But I do identify myself as a Muslim, if that makes sense.

nope Im afriad it doesnt make sense to me Bro. Maybe its just me, we will see what the other Brothers and Sisters say, but for me a Muslim is something who believes in and practices Islam and you have to fear and love Allah in order to be a Muslim surely?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:00 PM

nope Im afriad it doesnt make sense to me Bro. Maybe its just me, we will see what the other Brothers and Sisters say, but for me a Muslim is something who believes in and practices Islam and you have to fear and love Allah in order to be a Muslim surely?

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

Fais

13-05-08, 07:04 PM

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

:scratch: .. :0: .. :eek3: .. :rubeyes: ... :eek: ... :rolleyes: .. :0: .. :rubeyes: ... :eek3: ... :idea: .. :outta:

tanz

13-05-08, 07:04 PM

" I bear witness there is no god but Allah and that Muhammad is his messanger "

Believing in Allah is a fundemental belief in Islam, its the first pillar in Islam!!!
I stil dont get that stuf on cultural muslim :scratch:

Lol at Fais

Bro, I'm not looking down on u or anything, dont want you to think that we'r all ganging up on you, its just we'r all a bit confused, its kinda like you believe in one part of the religion, but other parts you dont. You gota try and accept it all, if you know wot i mean.

Ibrahim70

13-05-08, 07:05 PM

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

So you alllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll that but DON'T believe in Allah?

:rubeyes:

sister_sumera

13-05-08, 07:05 PM

:scratch: .. :0: .. :eek3: .. :rubeyes: ... :eek: ... :rolleyes: .. :0: .. :rubeyes: ... :eek3: ... :idea: .. :outta:

lol

Astraeus

13-05-08, 07:08 PM

But eating pork? do you think I should start saying something to them?

Thanks sister, but I am a cultural Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim), who believes in Naturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)). So the afterlife is a mute point with me. Sorry.

Sorry, am just having a hard time with the concept of god, but I am an open minded person, and like to seek truth. I don't reject something for the sake of being provocative or sensationalist. It just doesn't make sense to me, perhaps I am mislead. But I do identify myself as a Muslim, if that makes sense.
No, it doesn't make sense. Nor does it make sense for you to tell another Muslim what they are doing wrong when you do not believe in Allah (SWT)!!!

Pippin1376

13-05-08, 07:09 PM

Sorry, am just having a hard time with the concept of god, but I am an open minded person, and like to seek truth. I don't reject something for the sake of being provocative or sensationalist. It just doesn't make sense to me, perhaps I am mislead. But I do identify myself as a Muslim, if that makes sense.

I think there is a conflict with my heart and mind.

May Allah resolve the conflict residing in your heart and mind. Belief in Allah is the key to Islam, without that nothing really matters. I pray that you study and find the truth.

.: Anna :.

13-05-08, 07:09 PM

why dont u just say to them "brother/sister did you know this one is not halal it has got pork/non halal meat in it?" im sure they wont mind, and u did ur duty to them. probably if they are buying it they must not realise...
like even once i was gna buy something n it had something haram in it, i did not know and the girl at the till told me so i got something else (not in macd, it was from amt coffee). i did not find it offensive or anything... even in another shop one girl said to me "i dnt think that thing is halal" about what i was buying, but actually it was halal, she thought so cos of the gelling agent pectin she confuses it with gelatine, so i jst checked the packet and i explained her and bought it.
as they are a muslim i dnt think they will have a problem that u advise them about the food, it just shows u care for them as a brother in islam u dnt want to see them doing something wrong by mistake. just mayb make it discrete that ur boss wont hear or notice u doing this and tell u off for turning away the customer?
and are they really frying the stuff in the pork oil? because i thought they have to keep it seperate even due to vegetarians, vegans and all those people who will complain about those things

LastFriday

13-05-08, 07:14 PM

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

Akhi, dont you see it? If your heart feels warm to doing these things, sunnah, is that not enough of a proof to tell you something? You should read the quran and the meaning of it.

tanz

13-05-08, 07:15 PM

^ ye i agree with sis

I was gona buy this cake once and the guy at the till said it had alcohol in it so i put it back.
so if you do advise someone, its not like its something new, people do it all the time. I suppose its just this society we live in, we tend to think that we'r gona get a negative response if we say something.

ajnabee

13-05-08, 07:15 PM

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

if u enjoy following the sunnah and it warms ur heart, then how can u not believe that the beautiful sunnah that warms ur heart is from none other than allah?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:16 PM

Astraeus

13-05-08, 07:17 PM

and are they really frying the stuff in the pork oil? because i thought they have to keep it seperate even due to vegetarians, vegans and all those people who will complain about those things
Ukhtee, I know in the US they have gone to vegetable oil. I thought that change was world wide, but I could very well be wrong.

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:19 PM

if u enjoy following the sunnah and it warms ur heart, then how can u not believe that the beautiful sunnah that warms ur heart is from none other than allah?

I honestly don't know... I am confused, on the concept of god. I am thinking way to much into it. Maybe I should leave it and stop playing with fire before I get hurt.

.: Anna :.

13-05-08, 07:20 PM

Ukhtee, I know in the US they have gone to vegetable oil. I thought that change was world wide, but I could very well be wrong.
yeh that is what i thought aswel?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:20 PM

Anna the oil is filtered. Its like tap water, its recycled.

Astraeus

13-05-08, 07:21 PM

tanz

13-05-08, 07:21 PM

So wot part, of the 'concept of God' are u finding difficult to comprehend? cuz maybe if u pin point wot u dnt understand and read up about it,that cud maybe help u see the light?

`asiya

13-05-08, 07:24 PM

I think... I'll have to truthful... I have just lost faith in god. But I cannot move away form Islam, if that makes sense, there is something in my heart which tells me, what my head is telling me does not matter and I should just follow my heart... If I follow my heart imaan (faith) but if I start to question things in my head an follow my head, I them hhmmm... that doesn't make sense... etc... You know I am not a bad person, and I love Islam... And have defended it for years even while not truly accepting the concept of god. There is always something in my heart which brings me back to it.

brother seems u are suffering from the whisperings of shatian, the fact that u know in your heart Islam is the truth is what u should firmly accept because u know it to be true. shaitan is playing with your mind seek refuge in Allah from such thoughts, and learn ur deen well insha Allah, because it is the promise of shaitan to try to lead us astray but we wont be able to blame him on the judgment day because he will say he is free from what we try to blame him for. when u pray ask Allah with all sincerity to guide u upon the truth and to protect your islam. may Allah protect and guide u and all of us and keep us firmly in the haq amin

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:25 PM

You know, a filter purifies the oil, and yes I do think it is, vegetable oil. However, the oil is filtered, and cleansed. For example, all the oil is collected in one place, such as the oil you have fried pork in etc... Then it will get filtered and collected and disbanded to the fryers. So at one point all the oil mixes, and then its cleansed and filtered and put back into the right fryers.

.: Anna :.

13-05-08, 07:28 PM

oh right :S so it does mix :( i didnt think they are allowed to do it.
they don't have two seperate filters?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:28 PM

So wot part, of the 'concept of God' are u finding difficult to comprehend? cuz maybe if u pin point wot u dnt understand and read up about it,that cud maybe help u see the light?

I don't want to mention it, as I don't want to give anyone else doubt.

Pippin1376

13-05-08, 07:29 PM

I think... I'll have to truthful... I have just lost faith in god. But I cannot move away form Islam, if that makes sense, there is something in my heart which tells me, what my head is telling me does not matter and I should just follow my heart... If I follow my heart imaan (faith) but if I start to question things in my head an follow my head, I them hhmmm... that doesn't make sense... etc... You know I am not a bad person, and I love Islam... And have defended it for years even while not truly accepting the concept of god. There is always something in my heart which brings me back to it.

Alhamdulillah that your heart hasn't turned completely away from the religion. Now it's just up to you to learn as much as you can and when you have thoughts about Allah, try to listen to the Quran and not entertain those thoughts. You are not a bad person, just learn and make du'a and you'll find the truth inshallah. :)

ajnabee

13-05-08, 07:31 PM

I honestly don't know... I am confused, on the concept of god. I am thinking way to much into it. Maybe I should leave it and stop playing with fire before I get hurt.

but the thing is... our knowledge is limited and to think that we can totally understand allah, the supreme being that he is, is just plain silly. there are things that our limited minds will never be able to comprehend. if our minds are limited, how can we even attempt to understand allah, the most high?

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:33 PM

oh right :S so it does mix :( i didnt think they are allowed to do it.
they don't have two seperate filters?

I don't know how many filters they have... But the oil is collected in one place, filtered cleansed and sent to other fryers via pipes. So scientifically the oil is purified and cleansed, its not contaminated. But sometimes the employees contaminate the oil them self, by not following the rules, buy using the wrong tongs to pick the pork up with etc. Or touching the food without gloves on. Or dropping nuggets into the veggieburger fryer. I've done that accidentally split nuggets into it.

*Immortal Logic

13-05-08, 07:35 PM

but the thing is... our knowledge is limited and to think that we can totally understand allah, the supreme being that he is, is just plain silly. there are things that our limited minds will never be able to comprehend. if our minds are limited, how can we even attempt to understand allah, the most high?

Yes, this is it. As human I have only a limited amount of intellect. As god is infinte by definition, I would have to have an infinite amount of knowledge to comprehend god.

`asiya

13-05-08, 07:37 PM

oh right :S so it does mix :( i didnt think they are allowed to do it.
they don't have two seperate filters?

found this on mc donalds website

http://www.mcdonalds.ca/en/food/potato_taste.aspx

Once in store, the frozen French fries are cooked in a blend of quality animal and vegetable oil to bring them to the peak of perfection that McDonald's customers have come to expect - fluffy inside, crisp outside.

Frequently Asked Questions About McDonald's USA Food & Nutrition

Q: Are any of McDonald's foods considered vegetarian?

A: McDonald's does not represent any of our foods as being vegetarian. However, we gladly accommodate customer requests to custom-order items without meat (i.e., without beef, pork, chicken or fish). Note that even though we provide the flexibility to order items without meat, we cannot guarantee that during preparation the item does not come into contact with meat or poultry.

http://www.mcdonalds.com/usa/eat/nutrition_info/nutrition_faq/vegetarian.html

thats mc donalds usa dunno if its the same in the uk

.: Anna :.

13-05-08, 07:40 PM

:jkk: sis for clarifying

sajeda

13-05-08, 07:58 PM

:jkk:

alhamdulilah , my family does not eat MCD...

we try to only eat where we know how the food is being prepared.

angel*

13-05-08, 08:00 PM

:shock:

errrr ok Brother, but for the sake of your own soul i would recommend that you read more into Islam and Allah, cause I fear for you Bro

I second that.

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

:scratch: If u have trouble beliving in the concept of God, how is that you can pray 5x a day to God and it can make ur heart feel warm?

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Astraeus

13-05-08, 08:19 PM

:scratch: If u have trouble beliving in the concept of God, how is that you can pray 5x a day to God and it can make ur heart feel warm?
Actually, this poses a good question. I don't mean this disrespectfully, but who do you pray to if you have issues with Allah, Immortal Logic?

ajnabee

13-05-08, 08:35 PM

Yes, this is it. As human I have only a limited amount of intellect. As god is infinte by definition, I would have to have an infinite amount of knowledge to comprehend god.

may allah guide you.

Enigma Dreamer

13-05-08, 08:36 PM

your a what ?

Cultural Muslim (Also known as Secular Muslims, Non-Religious Muslims, Liberal Muslims, Western Muslims, or Rationalist Muslims) is a general term used to define a group of people who are identified by association with a Muslim community rather than Islamic faith or rituals. :scratch:

so u dont beleive in Islam?
lol sister. You know what? When I first read his post before anyone posted any reply, something told me he isn't fine. I could sense there is something fishy with him. But good that he has clarified that he is a Kaafir. And I don't believe anything he posted there, he just wants to portray the Muslims who follow the sunnah as horrible etc. It is this kind of people that get on my nerve.

Amatullaah

14-05-08, 02:58 AM

:start:

Thanks sister, but I am a cultural Muslim (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Muslim), who believes in Naturalism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naturalism_(philosophy)). So the afterlife is a mute point with me. Sorry.

According to al-Islaam, there is no such thing as a Cultural Muslim. Either you are a Muslim or a Kaafir. The philosophy of Naturalism conflicts with Islaam, although certain the scientific methodologies derived from it are often halal. If you believe more so in the former rather than in the latter, then that is kufr. Pick one or the other.

PiElle2

14-05-08, 03:48 AM

Some fast food joints like Mac's, Burger King, KFC, Pizza Hut in some countries are halal... even before i converted, i'll always warn my then muslims friends about what food contain pork because they really won't know where the pork might be lurking... esp. if they have to eat out and the halal sign is not obvious...

btw if you say you are a muslim, then you have been entrusted a duty to protect your bros and sisters...

perfectpearl

14-05-08, 05:14 PM

Its part of Islam to advice these people.

I practice Islam, if by practising you mean reading salat 5 times a day, fasting during Ramadan and giving to charity, keeping a beard, staying away form haram things etc, than yes I do. I enjoy following the sunnah. These are just things which warm my heart so to me it does not make sense to stop doing them.

Mashaa Allah but I think you should understand the concepts. Its great that you do practice mashaa Allah but you really need to understand why you do it. Read books on Tawheed. The most important concept of all. Brother please read the attachments. Maybe you will have an understand of the concept of God from here.

extempers

14-05-08, 05:17 PM

I suppose many of us have eaten meat which is not halal, but I find it really strange if people who are Muslim are eating bacon...

Bismillah,

There is a Muslim in my class who is struggling with Islam because apparently one of his relatives eats pork but also prays 5 times a day and he doesn't understand how he could be bad.

If there are Muslims who can drink, do drugs and sleep around with ease in the Muslim world, bacon should not be that far of a stretch.

Zakiya

15-05-08, 05:27 AM

lol sister. You know what? When I first read his post before anyone posted any reply, something told me he isn't fine. I could sense there is something fishy with him. But good that he has clarified that he is a Kaafir. And I don't believe anything he posted there, he just wants to portray the Muslims who follow the sunnah as horrible etc. It is this kind of people that get on my nerve.

How strong your deen must be, to have the time to not connect with God, through prayer or reading the Qur'an, but instead have the time to put down others instead. ;)

love00

13-06-08, 07:09 PM

Assalamu Alaykum brother! Read this book online,

http://www.onlineislamicstore.com/b8739.html *you need to click on da book*

It very much so helped me! I read all your posts on your issues with believing in Allah, yet you pray and fast and this and that, This book hopefully WILL help because its amazingly written and answers your posts. It helped me! Great metaphores are used in the book, with reality and itself, insha Allah this will help...
Step 1: Do you want to believe in Allah?
We can't be helped unless we want to be helped you know?

REMEMBER...one step at a time...we need to examine Islam and ask ourselves...Is this book seriously from god? Was Muhammed really...the messenger of god...
you know, its funny how we all believe in articles in news papers and gossip that is usually un true, JUST LIKE THAT! Yet, its hard for us to believe in the Qur'an, which is TRUTH!...really its ironic.

I've learned this, and i'll write it in caps because its really imporant.
DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS!!! Allah doesn't say "Don't ask...Just believe"..... Never! We need intelligent faith insha Allah.........

Anyway, Insha Allah we will all be guided. I, myself am a beginner.
This site is great too: www.islam-guide.com

Salams
Aw..I just realized something, it doesn't show the whole book.....

Jilbabi

13-06-08, 07:51 PM

Enigma Dreamer

13-06-08, 10:18 PM

How strong your deen must be, to have the time to not connect with God, through prayer or reading the Qur'an, but instead have the time to put down others instead. ;)
Look first, don't wink at me, OK? Second, care to explain what you meant? ;)

Strict2TheSunna

13-06-08, 10:23 PM

This guys a kaafir with a plan, leave him.

love00

13-06-08, 11:29 PM

I pray that Allah guides you to the straight path of Islam..

Allah is testing us in believing in the Unseen...plus like stated b4 our interlect is so limited

those confusing questions suround destiny which..if gone into 2 much detail (way2 much questioning and overtime with the brain) can lead to kufarness .. which you dont want

jus think logically .. there has to be an end somewhere...

e.g. everything created has been created by someone...like making a table

so this whole universe had2 b created by a greater being.. which is Allah ..

some then may say 'who created God'... if some1 created God then He wouldnt be God anymore would He?...

shaitan is a cruel so and so... dnt let him and other people ruin your chances to get to jannah....

follow you heart and put your trust in Allah... stop teling yourself the concept of God doesnt make sense becos it does ...

sometimes you jus hav2 put an end to those questions becos reli who wil answer them?.. make firm dua 2 Allah swt and leave it to him..but make the effort as well.

Yes! You said it bro/sis!
It was narrated from Abu Hurayrah, that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said, “The Shaytaan comes to one of you and says, ‘Who created such and such? Who created such and such?’ until he says, ‘Who created your Lord?!’ If that happens to any of you, let him seek refuge with Allaah and put a stop to these thoughts.”

and it makes sense really! We can't simply sit here and wait on nothing, Allah tests us!!! And really I could go on...i would probably go off topic though...

BROTHER, look at yourself! You drunk and drove, even made a thread on it talking about how you think it was a sign from Allah SWT...well Allah knows best...but my point is that,
Why do you care then! I mean, CMON...you went on about how you were going to die as a kafir and it wouldn't have been good for you...anyway, you put thought into the thread, it seemed like you were worried and this and that...

WHY DO YOU PRAY? and FAST? and why did you even make this thread about the Muslimes eating the big mac cause it is not halal...

I mean C'mon! Your wasting your self away! You are intelligent, DON'T LET SHAYTAN GET TO YOU...I've been down that road, and it wasn't pretty, I was depressed! I was going through crazy mood swings, I had DISGUSTING...bad thoughts...and I am not supossed to repeat them.

Brother, you seem concerned too...if you were truly a kafir, I think you wouldn't pray and fast in ramadan and all those things, like you say, it brings warmth to your heart...

like WHAT IS THAT?? I saw some of your threads, and I think you aren't happy in this state that you are...are you not? or are you!

I think......deep down you believe, but you are confused, lost in motion lets say...to the point where, thats it...i'm a cultural muslime, you know...I pray...get my carpet out...do wudoo wash away my sins...you know...I recit all fatiha...brings warmth to my heart...I fast too....go to friday prayers...but you know...don't believe in Allah................cause you know....I'm a human and the mind of a human is finite while God isn't....so how can I imagine how god looks like......and believe in something...you know didn't see....Yeah...I don't believe in God...I'm a cultural muslime!!!

I mean, its like this: someone who has perfect 20/20 vision attempts describing the colour Blue to a blind human being.

NO NO NO! Are you happy like this, I doubt you are...
Bro...I think we need to start over, and get a clean start...Another thing, I think the reason why you said you don't believe in Allah even though you pray and this and that...is because you know that it is between you and Allah and not the others, so..elhumdulelah, you aren't keeping it inside, and acting as a muslime supossidly on the outside, something like a hypocrite... and thats totally something different...

Brother, look at it this way, shouldn't god be someone whom is high and raised above the heavens and is infinite...I mean god can't be finite, that would make no sense, if he was finite then who is this god? ...like c'mon.

I think you aren't happy this way....I think you need to start over, and don't be afraid to tell you wife or anything like that, because really it is between you and Allah swt...honesty is the key, life is a test. what i think is don't hide it...

I think you desperately need to start over in totality! ALSO, DON'T BE AFRAID TO ASK QUESTIONS about Islam. I just read that something like that in one of your posts....you said something like you had questions in your mind and after it didn't make sense or something...I dunno, but anyway, we need to challenge ourselves, our intellect, we have brains...USE 'EM!

Even those born in muslime families must re evaluate, challenge and accept or reject their faith rationally. they must make a personal choice and consciously adopt islam.

So bro, I think you need to GET UP, and have a brand new start.
Also, I recommed you purchase the book in my above post called *ISLAM, DOES IT MAKE SENSE?* By Ayub A.Hamid.

....Its a start.
I'll pray for you insha Allah......may Allah guide us all insha Allah... and really thats how guidance comes, in desperation.

Assalamu Alaykum.:)

perfectpearl

14-06-08, 02:44 AM

This guys a kaafir with a plan, leave him.

You cant call anyone a kafir unless they say they are. Even if they commit major sins you cant call them kafirs. They have to clearly say that they are not Muslims. You know if its not true it bounces back to you. Thats a very dangerous thing to do.

AbuMubarak

14-06-08, 02:52 AM

you sell and and serve it, but you are surpised that others eat it

think about the sin you have in selling it, earning rizq from it, from serving it to others

love00

14-06-08, 05:18 PM

Another thing bro, I encourage you to challenge Islam with an open mind, look into everything, with answers from scholars, a number of them...things like that, not only your opinion!
Do not be afraid to ask questions and deeply ponder over stuff like this, it needs to make sense, we need intelligent faith...we can't simply call ourselves Cultural Muslimes for low reason, it needs to make sense.
Wake up bro, I truly encourage you a new start, I mean, get out of the loom your in!
we need to deeply contemplate rationally and logically, as I said even those born in muslime familes need to adopt Islam consciously...
So Insha Allah, maybe or maybe not this will help, but we'll all insha Allah try to help you out

We're all here for you Bro:up:

Enigma Dreamer

14-06-08, 09:43 PM

You cant call anyone a kafir unless they say they are. Even if they commit major sins you cant call them kafirs. They have to clearly say that they are not Muslims. You know if its not true it bounces back to you. Thats a very dangerous thing to do.
Haha funny. So to you George Bush is a Muslim as long as he doesn't say he isn't. Good girl. Or a better example is Wafa Sultan who said she is a Muslim who doesn't believe in Islam.

bint

14-06-08, 09:47 PM

okay lol a confession :p

On my way home from Dubai Airport I took 2 fillet o fish home for my sisters. It still tasted nice though :D

muhammed_1428

14-06-08, 11:20 PM

Salaamu Alaykum

Can I just ask in which branch do yuo work? Cos if its on edgware road or knightsbridge then I am not realy surprised... Many of the arabs from saudi and UAE have mcdonalds over there where everything is halal (and instead of bacon they use turkey meat) but I wouldve imagined that pork would be obvious to them lol!

Personally I get pretty annoyed when anyone buys from Mcdonalds... They give a lot of money to Israel as a corporation, but I guess if you feel this si good for your career then go ahead and stick with it, just please move onto a more rewarding career in the future

For example, Pret a Manger is a fantastic place to both eat and work lol, and I always get such a respectful vibe from the staff over there :)

With regards to this naturalistic belief of yours, I think you should do more theological reading

Personally, I believe it is more rational to believe in the concept of God, especially ONE God, and that He alone should be worshipped, this then produced the result of the manner in which I worship Allah SWT, Islam (of course with many people differing according to schools of thought)

you need to review why you are doing these actions, and WHO you are doing them for. Insha'allah, Allah SWT will guide you to maintain a firm belief in Him, and that you're belief in God will be strengthened...

P.S. Leave mcdonalds! lol nah sorry thats was blunt, all I'm saying bro is there are better franchises to work for than a zionist entity... (e.g. costa, subway, pret a manger, sainsburys, even burger king)

enchanted_rose

15-06-08, 12:48 AM

This guys a kaafir with a plan, leave him.

Subhanallah watch your mouth, this brother did not call himself a kaafir and unless he comes out and says hes a kaafir you have no right whatsoever to call him that.

Allah can change anyone’s heart and who knows maybe Allah has a plan in store for this brother because Allah is the greatest planer. So bro/sis please repent to Allah and instead of calling him names please make dua for him.

Strict2TheSunna

15-06-08, 04:20 AM

Astraeus

15-06-08, 11:18 AM

okay lol a confession :p

On my way home from Dubai Airport I took 2 fillet o fish home for my sisters. It still tasted nice though :D
If you really did take the filets-o-fish home for your "sisters," how do you know they still "tasted nice?" hmmm....???!!! ;) :p

`asiya

15-06-08, 12:14 PM

LOL. The guy says he doesn't believe in Allah and you still think he's muslim?

It's called irjaa' read about it.

I'm sorry if it hurts you guys, but the word kaaaaaaaaaaaaaffffffffffffirrrrrrrrrr is part of islam.

if u are referring to the thread starter, Our brother has repented since these posts were made, and has made tawbah and has returned fully to Al Islam, upon :lailah: Alhamdulillah.

Jilbabi

15-06-08, 12:31 PM

okay lol a confession :p

On my way home from Dubai Airport I took 2 fillet o fish home for my sisters. It still tasted nice though :D

loll sis, im sure theres nothing rong with McD's in other 'muslim' countries?..i had McD's back home and it wos deeeeelicousssssss :D

evrything was much cleaner down there i mus say..

Even the BigMac wos halal. its jus down here theres mass productions with yuky pig meat etc