how do you feel about non-Muslms.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Assalam Alaykum

I was just wondering how Muslims fell around non-Muslims.

[-Fady-]

is there meant to be a poll?

[Salman Al-Farsi]

You have to wait for the poll :p

[Chained_Water]

Assalam Alaykum

I was just wondering how Muslims fell around non-Muslims.

:wswrwb:

Personally don't make a habit of falling around them.. much less have a specific technique for it. :D

[Phoenix CG]

most of my mates were always non muslims so i find it easier with them, i haven't had many muslim friends.

[Wolfn]

I find the majority of non-Muslims ignore me. First, we all get along great, but then when they discover I'm Muslim, they ignore me.


So, yeah.....

[-Fady-]

You have to wait for the poll :p

:smack: I see :up:

anyway I get on with them fine...

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

Before I became interested in Islam in school I well known by everyone and would hang in a group of 15 people, quite a few were non Muslims, when I started practicing many of them non muslims supported me during that phase- now I have a lot of Muslims friends, it’s not that I don’t communicate with the non Muslims, I do- I know a lot of non Muslims and we’re very good friends but it is with like minded people I coomunicate with mostly- I love spending time with Aalims/Aalimas and people who want to seek knowledge of Islam which means that I tend to be in the company of Muslims a lot that's how i grow as a person.

Alhamdulillah with my non muslim friends I don’t have to hide anything regarding my Faith, if I feel it I’ll say it and they’ll understand to a point- you can only take it further with those who feel the same as you do otherwise it’d just be fake, I don’t understand the trinity thing and won’t ever, whilst they don’t understand Islam and I hope they do one day :insha:

The non muslims are very nice people, my uncle married a revert whose a Muslim now Alhamdulillah, her mum is xtian and her brother is jew- it’s interesting when there’s a reunion ( :p ) but Alhamdulillah it’s with understanding you can build bridges :)

:wswrwb:

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:
:salams

Assalam Alaykum

I was just wondering how Muslims fell around non-Muslims.


Only once, i tripped over a solid object and went flying all the way down :D

but i think we fall the same as they do :p

:wswrwb:

[Pippin1376]

Assalam Alaykum

I was just wondering how Muslims fell around non-Muslims.

One of my oldest friends is a non-muslim. We go to games together. I get along with non-muslims fine.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:start:

:salams

Before I became interested in Islam in school I well known by everyone and would hang in a group of 15 people, quite a few were non Muslims, when I started practicing many of them non muslims supported me during that phase- now I have a lot of Muslims friends, it’s not that I don’t communicate with the non Muslims, I do- I know a lot of non Muslims and we’re very good friends but it is with like minded people I coomunicate with mostly- I love spending time with Aalims/Aalimas and people who want to seek knowledge of Islam which means that I tend to be in the company of Muslims a lot that's how i grow as a person.

Alhamdulillah with my non muslim friends I don’t have to hide anything regarding my Faith, if I feel it I’ll say it and they’ll understand to a point- you can only take it further with those who feel the same as you do otherwise it’d just be fake, I don’t understand the trinity thing and won’t ever, whilst they don’t understand Islam and I hope they do one day :insha:

The non muslims are very nice people, my uncle married a revert whose a Muslim now Alhamdulillah, her mum is xtian and her brother is jew- it’s interesting when there’s a reunion ( :p ) but Alhamdulillah it’s with understanding you can build bridges :)

:wswrwb:


Wa alaykumasslaam

i've been thinking about this recently because i've always had Muslim friends in school, had one non-muslim friend but parents weren't too happy about him being friends - not cuz of racism, just they thought he'd be bad influence. By the time I got to uni I started practicing and it didn't make any sense to have non-Muslim friends.

Now, I have non-Muslims at work and I can only talk to them about tv, sports, weather and mostly work. I find it difficult to join in their conversations because most of the time they are gossiping or talking about people behind their back. Also the fact aht they know I am religious, it doesn't help because of whatever prejudice/misconceptions they have about religious people.

A few months ago, me and a work colleague had to attend a 3 day conference out of town, and this guy hated it because of me. I don't blame the guy because I wouldn't goto the restrent he liked because they didn't serve halal or served alcohol, I didn't go pub, club or even when he commented on 'chicks' I would tell him to behave. lol.

Also the non-muslims i do get on with are the ones I have common interest with, like the one I used to play golf with or the journalist who likes to get my opinion on events concerning Muslims. In those cases, there is no real effort being made, just there is common interest and we get on with it.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:start:
:salams




Only once, i tripped over a solid object and went flying all the way down :D

but i think we fall the same as they do :p

:wswrwb:

really? I thought different :p

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

Wa alaykumasslaam

Also the non-muslims i do get on with are the ones I have common interest with, like the one I used to play golf with or the journalist who likes to get my opinion on events concerning Muslims. In those cases, there is no real effort being made, just there is common interest and we get on with it.


:salams

Your points i totally understand akhee cuz it reminded me of my placement year, some of the employees were ‘distant’ with me cuz of this whole ‘don’t drink until I’m wrecked’ stance i had. Plus they would get irritated by my actions- ‘(when they used to eat haraam food the smell made me sick so even if it was freezing outside i’d bust open the windows :p )

I tried compromise i.e. would go for a walk to get some air but the smell :sub: was sickening. It is true it is about interest.

Sometimes Muslims make it hard to interact with- this behavior is not just reserved for non muslims :sub: when i first started practicing I got called a ‘religious nut’ by some Muslims ( :eek: :( ) just cuz I started covering up my hair and hence why surrounding myself with positive people made me grow as a person.

I feel stifled if I spend too much time with people who have no interest with Islam- this includes Muslims too unfortunately. I feel so suffocated, depressed and low because it’s hard to explain but with those who understand how precious Islam …they appreciate its value. They look after it. It makes you want to look after yours more. Makes you want to refine it, polish it, keep it clean :love:

By spending time with people who don’t appreciate Islam you start losing it and it’s the worst feeling in the world to wake up and find that your connection with Allah :Swt: has weakened hence why by spending time with those who love Islam makes me a better person wanting to strive.

:wswrwb:

[WahYaLookin'At?]

:start:




:salams

Your points i totally understand akhee cuz it reminded me of my placement year, some of the employees were ‘distant’ with me cuz of this whole ‘don’t drink until I’m wrecked’ stance i had. Plus they would get irritated by my actions- ‘(when they used to eat haraam food the smell made me sick so even if it was freezing outside i’d bust open the windows :p )

I tried compromise i.e. would go for a walk to get some air but the smell :sub: was sickening. It is true it is about interest.

Sometimes Muslims make it hard to interact with- this behavior is not just reserved for non muslims :sub: when i first started practicing I got called a ‘religious nut’ by some Muslims ( :eek: :( ) just cuz I started covering up my hair and hence why surrounding myself with positive people made me grow as a person.



Oh my days, they are what you call Poops my sister!

Anyway Non-Muslims, well almost all my mates are non-Muslim and they're all so cute, but I met one or two dodgy ones grrr.

[Lord Summerisle]

I get on very well with the majority of non Muslims.

[MMS]

i get along fine with them, i cant help but feel that they think im some oppressed weirdo though :o

[umee]

I get along with my non-muslim friends just fine.

[hanifa]

I find it difficult to get on the same wavelength. Perhaps its just me. Unless what I am doing or talking about is related to religion (islam, fundementally, but also other relious philosophy), I don't feelk the need to interract with them. Just enough to interest them in reverting is sufficient for me.

Hanifa

[Salman Al-Farsi]

:start:




:salams

Your points i totally understand akhee cuz it reminded me of my placement year, some of the employees were ‘distant’ with me cuz of this whole ‘don’t drink until I’m wrecked’ stance i had. Plus they would get irritated by my actions- ‘(when they used to eat haraam food the smell made me sick so even if it was freezing outside i’d bust open the windows :p )

I tried compromise i.e. would go for a walk to get some air but the smell :sub: was sickening. It is true it is about interest.

Sometimes Muslims make it hard to interact with- this behavior is not just reserved for non muslims :sub: when i first started practicing I got called a ‘religious nut’ by some Muslims ( :eek: :( ) just cuz I started covering up my hair and hence why surrounding myself with positive people made me grow as a person.

I feel stifled if I spend too much time with people who have no interest with Islam- this includes Muslims too unfortunately. I feel so suffocated, depressed and low because it’s hard to explain but with those who understand how precious Islam …they appreciate its value. They look after it. It makes you want to look after yours more. Makes you want to refine it, polish it, keep it clean :love:

By spending time with people who don’t appreciate Islam you start losing it and it’s the worst feeling in the world to wake up and find that your connection with Allah :Swt: has weakened hence why by spending time with those who love Islam makes me a better person wanting to strive.

:wswrwb:

Sis, I think the work/professional environment makes it difficult, but also the fact that I don't have anything in common with them but then again I don't have a long list of interest/hobbies like I hate anything to do with fooball which cancels out vast chunk of potential things to talk about :p

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I get on very well with the majority of non Muslims.

I'd be worried if you didn't :rolleyes:

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

Sis, I think the work/professional environment makes it difficult, but also the fact that I don't have anything in common with them but then again I don't have a long list of interest/hobbies like I hate anything to do with fooball which cancels out vast chunk of potential things to talk about :p


For our workplace it was drinking
Any excuse- any where

And these were educated professionals acting so differently :S

I would play games on my phone to pass the time- me and pac man had more in common :p

Some people have lovely manners and it's nice being in their company whereas solitude is better than company thats damaging.

I'm sure i read Imam Ali (AS) advised to stay away from foolish people's company.
:wswrwb:

[Salman Al-Farsi]

People are saying they have non-Muslim friends, 'friends' is a very specific word, like someone you are close to, you trust, discuss personal stuff with and so on. I could never do that with a non-Muslim, ie become close friends. Acquaintance, work colleague, class fellow, barber, car mechanics I can get on with but its only limited to whatever reason i know them for.

[bint]

Cant really choose in the poll.

Reason because..

I feel comfortable around many but there are few who are such racist twits who really vex me out. Though I dont give them time of day.

There are so many non muslims who are so friendly. My narrowminded tells me that if (naudhubillah) I was a non muslim how would I treat a muslim? I probably believe everything the media says and be such a racist plonk - But some non muslims are so ubelievebly understanding and so warm..you forget that your not chatting to a non muslim..but a normal person. And that is such a satisfaction.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

Cant really choose in the poll.

Reason because..

I feel comfortable around many but there are few who are such racist twits who really vex me out. Though I dont give them time of day.

There are so many non muslims who are so friendly. My narrowminded tells me that if (naudhubillah) I was a non muslim how would I treat a muslim? I probably believe everything the media says and be such a racist plonk - But some non muslims are so ubelievebly understanding and so warm..you forget that your not chatting to a non muslim..but a normal person. And that is such a satisfaction.

but what do you chat to them about? :p

[bint]

but what do you chat to them about? :p

Hmm..my last conversation was with a reebok professional. He was just sorting my cross trainer, you can guess what we talked about. Excercise! :p He was there for 10 minutes and gone - but there was no awkwardness present.

Then prior to that was with my neighbours. On my return from Dubai I was sat with a women who couldnt stop telling me about her trip to Aussie.

I dont have non muslim friends but when I do see some course mates I catch up. Basically, How you doin? What you upto now? Etc.

Negative..

My bros car broke down and I had just arrived at Man Airport. So I got his permission to come in a cab, only for him to say come home in an airport taxi. So I went to the taxi Marshal that was stood outside. He was avoiding me from the start because I was clad in JUST a hijab and abayah. No niqab. I just solidly walked upto him and asked him in the most polite manner if he would be a dear and sort me an airport taxi. The guy gave me a lecture on how he only catches black cabs and not an airport taxi.:rubeyes: I took his name..the guy was so flustered. And I reassured him i will be making a formal complaint about his refusal to communicate with me. Then he started laughing nervously and asked me for my name. I just told him where the hell to get off basically. I go back inside, straight to the info desk and the guy there was so helpful. Its these racist twits that spoil it for everyone.

[Maureen]

I find the majority of non-Muslims ignore me. First, we all get along great, but then when they discover I'm Muslim, they ignore me.


So, yeah.....

Wolfn: Yes I believe you but find it sad. I think it could be because of the few extremist Muslims that have done damage for Islam.

[bint]

Wolfn: Yes I believe you but find it sad. I think it could be because of the few extremist Muslims that have done damage for Islam.

Cant agree completely with you.

Firstly yes there are extremist muslims.
Then there is the media who are very unfair and can only print things that portray muslims in the bad light. Very rarely you get a hurrah!
Thirdly the non- muslims fail to communicate themseves expecting to be 'awwed' over and wanting someone else to approach them first.
fourthly, non muslims should educate themselves and not believe and act according to what the media says all the time
fifth..Not be racist.

This is all from experience.

I would rather be stopped on the street and be happy to answer any questions be it little or big by a non muslim than to be spat on or stalked.:up:

So overall the blame cannot be laid on one party. It just doesnt make sense.

[carol_au]

I get on well with non muslims, but what I have found is that since I reverted, our interests and the subjects we inevitably proceed to in talks are limited.

Within a few minutes of talking with a muslim, we are soon talking about something to do with deen.. it can be anything.. whereas you cannot do that with a non muslim in the same way.

Yes you can acknowledge Allah in talking with them, but they really cannot understand your/our desire to see everything we say an do come under His Lordship.. that even in matters of work, play, family life.. we try and submit to do it the way He ta'ala had directed.

This immediately means that deep and enduring friendships are not as possible, possibly not possible .. such as we have amongst ourselves.

There is not a huge difference in our humanity..but there is in the ways we approach and see life experiences..

[Cartman]

im chilling....

I've been aroudn non muslims now for just over half my life, and Although we've ahd soem run ins, we're all good in general

[peace2u]

I get along fine with pretty much everyone simply because I don't talk alot :o My convos are really short and usually about a particular topic. But if there is nothing beneficial to talk about, i'm quiet and doing my own thing even if there are many people in my immediate area.

Peace

[Khubaib]

Talking to a non-muslim daily over an extended period of time such as in work gets depressing. Sometimes deen comes in and it is easier if they are practicing chrisitians but usually they are agnostic, atheist, or seasonal chrisitans. What happens in this situation is that they shy away from conversations about religion and "deep" topics to sports, current events, etc. This gets VERY depressing because as a Muslim you know in your heart that this is of no benefit to them and the days tick by and they are still in a state of kufr. I could care less if my being kind to them lets them "accept me." If they don't draw closer to Islam and are instead content co-existing with their Muslim "friend" from my perspective it is meaningless because again they are getting closer to the grave and no closer to the truth. Kindness is necessary to be sure so they will listen to you.

[Sulaiman Harun]

:start:

:wswrwb:

It's been 1 year and 23 days (yeah I keep the exact count) since I have come to a kafir country and I haven't made a single a kafir friend. I just can't make any nor I want to since I have baraa' for all of them, i.e. I hate them feesabiliLlah. But this does not mean I misbehave with the kuffar. I try to as nice and friendly as I can. I feel uncomfortable when I am around the kuffar thus all my mates are Muslims :alhumdull.

[*IslamicGirl*]

:start:

:salams

:sub: what i love about those dedicated Slaves of Allah :Swt: are their compassionate nature.

At the end of the day we are all humans, we should never cause the pain of another- whether they are Muslim or non muslim

As each person has a battle to fight, we don't want to contribute to their pain or distress

If a non muslim is not nice to you, be nice to them, let them know that this beautiful religion of Islam has changed your character, that you aren't proud and haughty to think they are beneath you.

We all choose to be with like-minded people at the end of the day, that's human nature as we can relate more but those who we can't relate to and whom can't relate to us obviously we're not close but never shun them :insha: always be avaialable if they need your help.

The woman who would throw rubbish at RasoolAllah :saws2: Peace and Blessings of Allah :Swt: be upon him and his family was moved by the generosity of RasoolAllah :saws2: Peace and Blessings of Allah :Swt: be upon him and his family when he went to see her when she was sick and she accepted Islam because she was moved by the generosity shown by the best of creation saws2: inlove: Endless Blessings of Allah :Swt: be upon him and his family

we as dedicated Muslims have big hearts because our religion prompts it so, you cannot be a miser if you follow Islam and if we extend mercy towards animals then without a doubt to fellow human beings.

Especially since some non Muslims who use their intellect and don't believe all teh trash coming out the media and choose to be fair in their judgement against us :)

By showing mercy to others Allah :Swt: will show Mercy to us :ahb: :love:

i don't understand those people who have a hate filled agenda and hurt others :( :sub: it's terrible how they try to cut another person up mentally

:wswrwb:

[PiElle2]

i have no problems with non-muslims because i know the right path i'm heading and i know they dun... LOL... and am very happy to use my time (previously spend on them) now to pursue my own path... doing more islamic activities and meeting more muslim bros and sis nowadays has filled my life with more meaning and purpose... :) it also helps me alot when dealing with the non-muslims as well as people of other faiths...

people of all kinds are a neccessity in life but you know you can't get too involved or absorped into their lives...

but what i gets me now are born muslims who are more friendly with non-muslims instead of being friendly and talk about deen with you... and these are also the born muslims who hardly have any close muslim friends too... and it makes you feel like you have to act like a non-muslim so they will still be friends with you... :(

[abood]

i have nothing with them...

i will be more friendly if they ask me about islam..
but if they offence islam then i prefare to ignore those ignoran people..

[.: Anna :.]

Salman this is a difficult question the way u have made it...
I can't vote for all of the non Muslims together in a group like that. It depends on each person or type of person.
I have some in my family, those ones I get on with them fine and really well. Also people who I knew for a long time, family friends and things they are alright. Other who I dno it depends, as some people are quite friendly and easy to talk to etc whereas others you really feel the lack of things in common and that they have a different way of thinking about everything in life, in that case u dont really want to interact. I dont have really any non muslim friends though apart from family, the ones i used to have i dont bother to keep in touch with them and they are the same with me. I dont really feel interested in seeing them or anything, not much in common

[Mikha’eel]

I get on well with anyone, provided i like them or they do not annoy me.

[Fitnah Bolice]

The only interaction I have with non-muslims is at the office, and I have no problem getting along with them.

[stephenoskie]

Well I get kinda get along with them, as they arent all the same. Some are under standing and tolerant and some are down right rude.

My family are all non muslims, so you know :D

[Anikaa]

Some non-muslims are more descent than muslims. Being a teenager, it is quite difficult to fit in with some of those muslims who don't "practice" Islaam as they feel that you're too "religious", etc...but at the end of the day they consider you as the friend they'd turn to than the ones that aren't practicin:rolleyes:.

Anyhow, i have many non-muslims friends and i'm glad i do, because i do see them becoming beautiful mu'mins [INSHA-ALLAH] :) Their characters fit that of a muslim, masha-Allah. So yeh, i like to be with those non-muslims who are mature and serious individuals. Those that are high 24/7 make me step backwards...even if they're friendly as their quite difficult to talk to, etc b/c their too wined up in their "care-free" lifestyle.

May Allah guide all those sincere non-muslims to al-islaam, ameen ya Rabb!

[Cartman]

yea also, the thing is since Im in America, I have very few muslim friends, because my area is lacking in them...I have a grand total of 5 muslim friends in America...

[Astraeus]

I get along fine with most people. Being a newer revert, I know more non-Muslims than Muslims. Insha'Allah, this will change so I can spend more time with my brothers.

[Maureen]

I get on well with non muslims, but what I have found is that since I reverted, our interests and the subjects we inevitably proceed to in talks are limited.

Within a few minutes of talking with a muslim, we are soon talking about something to do with deen.. it can be anything.. whereas you cannot do that with a non muslim in the same way.

Yes you can acknowledge Allah in talking with them, but they really cannot understand your/our desire to see everything we say an do come under His Lordship.. that even in matters of work, play, family life.. we try and submit to do it the way He ta'ala had directed.

This immediately means that deep and enduring friendships are not as possible, possibly not possible .. such as we have amongst ourselves.

There is not a huge difference in our humanity..but there is in the ways we approach and see life experiences..
carol au: I agree with you in part about the enduring friendships are "possibly not posible", and I think this is unfortunate.

I visit a relation in the UK most years, and he happens to live in an area in the midlands amid many Pakistani families. On my last visit, I became very friendly with the Muslim lady next door. We talked about our respective religions and we both learned from each other. Her husband though, always viewed me with suspicion and I noticed whenever he was around, our friendship seemed to lag in that she would not open up to me. So our conversation then became limited.

[Maureen]

Talking to a non-muslim daily over an extended period of time such as in work gets depressing. Sometimes deen comes in and it is easier if they are practicing chrisitians but usually they are agnostic, atheist, or seasonal chrisitans. What happens in this situation is that they shy away from conversations about religion and "deep" topics to sports, current events, etc. This gets VERY depressing because as a Muslim you know in your heart that this is of no benefit to them and the days tick by and they are still in a state of kufr. I could care less if my being kind to them lets them "accept me." If they don't draw closer to Islam and are instead content co-existing with their Muslim "friend" from my perspective it is meaningless because again they are getting closer to the grave and no closer to the truth. Kindness is necessary to be sure so they will listen to you.
We all have difficulty at work talking to people who we do not agree with. I personally dislike racists and avoid them, otherwise an argument is likely to develop. If I were to meet an extremist Muslim face to face I would have a few questions for them.

I am always glad to find someone to discuss religion, especially Islam and Judaism, but I find that the people who belong to these religions are guarded in what they say. That is why this forum is so good because we can all talk about religion here without any repecussions.

[Khubaib]

We all have difficulty at work talking to people who we do not agree with. I personally dislike racists and avoid them, otherwise an argument is likely to develop. If I were to meet an extremist Muslim face to face I would have a few questions for them.

I am always glad to find someone to discuss religion, especially Islam and Judaism, but I find that the people who belong to these religions are guarded in what they say. That is why this forum is so good because we can all talk about religion here without any repecussions.

Your personal example is not a good one. You're here on ummah forums and thus have an interest in religion/ Islam. So you are not the typical co-worker who is content going through the motions of life without thinking about its purpose, hitting the pubs once a week, etc. My personal example concerned those who were not interested in discussing faith (the vast majority), or having their views challenged, with practicing Christians it is usually a different story unless they are fundamentalist/born-again. This has happened before; he was a theology student who had visited our masjid during Ramadan. When someone is curious and has lots of questions I'm not only happy to address them, but also open to discussing anything else. Also, hopefully it did not seem like I use kindness as a tool, I would treat them the same way regardless of whether or not they want to talk. I would guard what I say though in the latter case and stay more reserved in general. Small talk is not from the sunnah of Muhammad :saw:

[PiElle2]

We all have difficulty at work talking to people who we do not agree with. I personally dislike racists and avoid them, otherwise an argument is likely to develop. If I were to meet an extremist Muslim face to face I would have a few questions for them.

I am always glad to find someone to discuss religion, especially Islam and Judaism, but I find that the people who belong to these religions are guarded in what they say. That is why this forum is so good because we can all talk about religion here without any repecussions.


Are you sure...? Dun Christians believe that God is All-Knower, All-Seer and All-Hearer....? Who are you trying to kid...? Now, there's clearer one problem i will have with non-muslims who have that kind of mentality...

[Pippin1376]

^ I think she meant repecussions as in, not being guarded with our thoughts and our words. We can speak freely here, because we don't know each other. In real life, many of us wouldn't be like that to everyone here.

[Umm_Hanzalah]

There are different types of non-Muslims. Some I can't stand as they look at me like I'm oppressed or something, so I feel like bloody hell get out of my face. Others treat me like a normal human being (the nice ones) and I can for example walk into a supermarket and talk to them about the different kinds of sugar that is available. That's it where it ends though I'm afraid, I don't think it's possible to be best friends or close.

I don't bring up the subject of religion unless they do.

[MWarrior]

i think you should have allowed us to vote more than one option. :)

because i know many muslims find it difficult to mix with them, at the same time you feel reluctant to be with them especially when your a practising muslim and their "freedumb" goes against your religion. Also on some occasions you'd pretend to be nice to them but feel different inside, cos u just wana have a good time at work/school and not be bullied or harassed by them.

and finally when u do chat to them, its usually just general stuff. you cant really go to them for advice or talk about personal issues/problems with them. :)

[Maureen]

We all have difficulty at work talking to people who we do not agree with. I personally dislike racists and avoid them, otherwise an argument is likely to develop. If I were to meet an extremist Muslim face to face I would have a few questions for them.

I am always glad to find someone to discuss religion, especially Islam and Judaism, but I find that the people who belong to these religions are guarded in what they say. That is why this forum is so good because we can all talk about religion here without any repecussions.


Are you sure...? Dun Christians believe that God is All-Knower, All-Seer and All-Hearer....? Who are you trying to kid...? Now, there's clearer one problem i will have with non-muslims who have that kind of mentality...

"Who are you trying to kid" I am not sure what you mean.

[Hijabi_Solja]

There isnt an option up there for me....well not today any way

Insha Allah my day tomorrow will be better, and I will vote then :up:

[Rosalie-Beauty]

I get along fine with non-Muslims, but I always know (and I suspest they do too) that there is a line that cant be crossed. That's ok though, I have my Muslims friends, and that's the beauty of it. We share EVERYTHING and appreciate each other all the more for it since we are so few.

Also, I think non-Muslims treat me differently than their other friends. Not in a bad way, but they seem to keep a distance and respect that comes of either fear of politness. Its nice though, I'm glad my hijab gives me this status. :D

[`asiya]

Wolfn: Yes I believe you but find it sad. I think it could be because of the few extremist Muslims that have done damage for Islam.

:0: eh ? well lets see now ... considering the horrendous massacres of muslims that the non muslims jews and christians have comitted from bosina to palestine, to afghanistan iraq and beyond and they still continue to justify that . then we have all the nasty news stories and propaganda headlines about muslims on the news and the papers every single day and the damage they have done for the rest of the non muslims, christians and jews, is clear for all muslims to see, its quite clear that they obviously all hate us and our way of life so i can live without them.

personally i dont hang out with non muslims, there simply no point because i have nothing at all in common with them i dont care about their boyfreinds, and i dont like having beers splashing open over me ( as happened last time i went to visit my neighbours ) i dont like hearing all the non-sense about how muslims are this and muslims are that, and about what they did on the weekend, etc. etc. and even though i only have one muslim freind, i would rather be alone than hang out with non muslims, i cant be bothered to always be explaining myself and answering for this and that and whatever the latest propaganda news story is, as if im personally responsible for everything that goes on in the world. so yea i get on with them fine, but then i dont hang out with them, because there is no point even my own family they just try and make u feel bad and like ur a weirdo for wearing a scarf and praying etc. they cant even stand it if u say something like subhanAllah, or alhamdulillah riles them to even hear those words.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

I think there is a difference between communicating and lets say 'chilling out'.

Like you jump in a cab and you have a conversation with a non-Muslim cab driver or you next door neighbour. Thats obviously necessary and poeple need to have these skills to communicate, otherwise there would be serious problem.

However, what I am talking about is having friends, like would you call a work colleague on the weekend and ask how they are doing and if they would like to go out for a meal with you? And if you did go for this meal would you be able to have a good time/laugh with them so they'd like to go out with you again? or do you find that impossible?

i have never been out with a non-Muslim for pure socialising purposes, they would find me terribly boring, not because i'm a boring person but rather due to our idea of fun being different. On the other hand, I have a non-Muslim friend who is a journalist, we get together often, he doesnt mind sitting in coffee shop and we can talk for hours and hours about media, current events, Muslims etc, and have jokes about that without discussing anything personal. I still have trust issue with him, I am careful what I tell him even though I've known him for past 6 years. So if we were to talk about anythign other than these issue, I would feel very uncomfortable.

[Hijabi_Solja]

Salaam Alaikum,

Anna said it best, I have to concur.... it really depends on what kind of person they are.

I dont really socialize anyway, and Im somewhat introverted, but when it comes to Islam I am in no way shy and feel very comfortable talking about it with strangers.

However, this area is very lacking when it comes to any other type of intellectual conversation LoL but occasionally I will find someone that is intellegent and conversing is enjoyable. I especially enjoy talking to the older people, I love hearing their stories and receiving general life lessons :) they are so wise Mash Allah and I learn alot from them.

But people my own age? NO WAY!! They are too wrapped up in the Dunya and I am just passin through :wavey: , we have nothing in common. I like to talk about Religion, Philosophy, World Events....and they..dont...really get it. Like someone mentioned before all they want to talk about is how drunk they got last weekend.

Theres a child in my sons class that he used to ride bikes with, very sweet child, after awhile this childs mother came knocking one day and asked if I had seen "so and so"...I hadnt but she kept talking,:( she was dressed like a street walker and talked like a sailor, had marks all over her neck like she had been bitten by a vampire---astaghfirullah, anyway I wanted to be polite so I listened, after that she thought we were best friends and called me all the time came by unannounced. Each time talking about how she was so drunk the weekend before and did this drug and that drug (keep in mind here, that she knows I am Muslim-the whole village does) the entire time she was chain smoking and every time we talked she would ask me to go out with her, picture this convo:

Her:"oh it will be so much fun, you'll have a blast, youre cute so you wont have to buy your alcohol...." :rubeyes:
Me:"no thanks I dont drink and Ive never been into drugs"
Her:"you dont have to drink or do any of that just come with me, you can have a coke (a~Cola) " :smack: D'oh
Me:"Well, I dont think so, I would look pretty funny sitting in a bar with a head scarf"
(trying to be polite here and decline her offer with a bit of humor, it went over head btw)
Her:"well just dress up with me one night, you can leave that thing at home, wont it feel great to cut loose?"
Me:"No it wouldnt! look I think you should go now, Im not trying to be rude, but it would be sinning just going to one of those places not to mention my husband would have a heart attack and I already have a guilt complex being an American" *jokes-again over her head
Her:"but the guys will LOVE you"
Me::eek3:

Nope that was the last straw for me folks, after that all courtesy went out the window. I told her she had to leave,we arent really the same "kind" of people and we could never hang out socially.

She hasnt called since Alhamdulillah!! and my son isnt allowed to play with her kid anymore either(no offese to the kid, but apples falling close to the tree and all)

On the other hand, there is a nice Christian lady whos son is my kids bff,
She is polite, dresses modestly, she's smart and great to talk to. Her kids are well behaved and we get along great! We do talk about Religion on occasion, but it's a good healthy debate and at the end of it there are no qualms, just a mutual respect.

and thats what its all about really....respect.... not only for themselves but other people as well...and if they show respect for me I will do the same in return. If you can find these people then you can learn alot even if its just general conversation....

and best of all I dont feel the need to make Ghusl after the convo and repent just for being in the same room :D

[Maureen]

:0: eh ? well lets see now ... considering the horrendous massacres of muslims that the non muslims jews and christians have comitted from bosina to palestine, to afghanistan iraq and beyond and they still continue to justify that . then we have all the nasty news stories and propaganda headlines about muslims on the news and the papers every single day and the damage they have done for the rest of the non muslims, christians and jews, is clear for all muslims to see, its quite clear that they obviously all hate us and our way of life so i can live without them.

personally i dont hang out with non muslims, there simply no point because i have nothing at all in common with them i dont care about their boyfreinds, and i dont like having beers splashing open over me ( as happened last time i went to visit my neighbours ) i dont like hearing all the non-sense about how muslims are this and muslims are that, and about what they did on the weekend, etc. etc. and even though i only have one muslim freind, i would rather be alone than hang out with non muslims, i cant be bothered to always be explaining myself and answering for this and that and whatever the latest propaganda news story is, as if im personally responsible for everything that goes on in the world. so yea i get on with them fine, but then i dont hang out with them, because there is no point even my own family they just try and make u feel bad and like ur a weirdo for wearing a scarf and praying etc. they cant even stand it if u say something like subhanAllah, or alhamdulillah riles them to even hear those words.
I do not think that non-Muslims hate Muslims, the exception being the extremists. Of course, there are exceptions and that applies to both sides.
Many of us are against some of the massacres you have mentioned, and in particular Iraq.

As for friends, non of my friends act in the way you describe, spashing beer etc., and I hope you will be able to meet some different non-Muslims.

[`asiya]

I do not think that non-Muslims hate Muslims, the exception being the extremists. Of course, there are exceptions and that applies to both sides.
Many of us are against some of the massacres you have mentioned, and in particular Iraq.

As for friends, non of my friends act in the way you describe, spashing beer etc., and I hope you will be able to meet some different non-Muslims.

i was just giving u an example from the other side of the fence, cos u said the few extremist Muslims that have done damage for Islam if u think a few muslims have done damage for islam, then how do u think a muslim might view the constant bombardment in the press against us and our religion and the killing of our brothers and sisters and the wars against the muslim lands day in day out .. ( just an example as i said )

i find ppl really confrontational on the whole when it comes to the wars, islam, my wearing hijab, why am i am muslim the lastest propaganda on the news etc. etc. theres very few places i can go where ppl are not drinking even so called "muslim" restaurants here all serve alcohol, i cant go even for a dinner invite to non muslims houses as they all drink at home ( i live right next to france its normal here and part of the culture for ppl to drink with their meals lunchtime or evenings ) i do often visit my female neighbours on saturdays and have a cup of tea and a chat which is nice and lots of the neighbourhood kids knock on my door to say hello which is how i got to know their parents, one little boy ( hes 3 ) just moved in a few months ago and hes even let himself out of his house and come upstairs to see me lol lil tiny lad standing there ringing my doorbell i shout down to his mum hes ok when she comes looking for him . we sometimes go to the garden centre for a cup of tea and a cake if were really pushing the boat out ;)

[Ebony]

Get on with them just fine. Work colleagues - usually I don't have much interaction with them since my job role is concerned with me working on my own, so just make small talk about the weather, TV, books, clothes, cosmetics and what not. But in previous workplaces where i have worked alongside Muslims I didn't trust them in the slightest and purposely kept away from them - they were terribly annoying and anal.

But i do have a few non-Muslim friends that I would say I am as close to as any of my other friends. There are 2 in each group, Muslim and non-Muslim that I can talk about anything to and vice versa, and so are more "friends" with them than anyone else out of my personal contacts.

If you can't have non-Muslim as friends purely because you don't have anything in interest in them, then there is nothing wrong with that same as not every Muslim chap is going to be your best buddy simply because they are Muslim. There is more to what constitutes a friend, such as common interests, temperaments, character, personality etc and you dont have to be of the same faith for that.

[Maureen]

i was just giving u an example from the other side of the fence, cos u said the few extremist Muslims that have done damage for Islam if u think a few muslims have done damage for islam, then how do u think a muslim might view the constant bombardment in the press against us and our religion and the killing of our brothers and sisters and the wars against the muslim lands day in day out .. ( just an example as i said )

i find ppl really confrontational on the whole when it comes to the wars, islam, my wearing hijab, why am i am muslim the lastest propaganda on the news etc. etc. theres very few places i can go where ppl are not drinking even so called "muslim" restaurants here all serve alcohol, i cant go even for a dinner invite to non muslims houses as they all drink at home ( i live right next to france its normal here and part of the culture for ppl to drink with their meals lunchtime or evenings ) i do often visit my female neighbours on saturdays and have a cup of tea and a chat which is nice and lots of the neighbourhood kids knock on my door to say hello which is how i got to know their parents, one little boy ( hes 3 ) just moved in a few months ago and hes even let himself out of his house and come upstairs to see me lol lil tiny lad standing there ringing my doorbell i shout down to his mum hes ok when she comes looking for him . we sometimes go to the garden centre for a cup of tea and a cake if were really pushing the boat out ;)

asiya: I do understand what you are saying and admit there is much bias against Muslims in general. I still believe that regardless of what the press has to say, much damage about Islam was done by extremsts, especially 9/11

It all comes down to education, and as I have said on another web-site, that all religions could be taught in all schools. That includes teacing Christianity in Muslim schools and teaching Islam in Catholic schools. I know that both would give opposition to this.

I do not have any problem with alcohol in moderation. Jesus turned the water into wine at a marriage ceremony. I can see your difficulty as it is against Islam, though I would be asking myself if I were a Muslim, what is the rationalle for this rule?

It is nice to hear about your friendship with your neighbour. When I visit the UK, I am friendly with a Muslim family who live close by to where I stay.

[`asiya]

its forbidden for us to sit with people who are drinking alcohol maureen, and i can see the great wisdom in it because when people drink they can get agressive, they can get physically violent or totally foolish or all 3 so they are best avoided completely.

alhamdulillah our neighbours have rights that was must fulfil, the ones who live closest to us have the greatest rights, for example the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said that he whoose neighbour does not feel safe from him is not a muslim. we should visit them take them food, help them out with anything they need and if they are poor then do all we can to support them with the necessities of life . :)

[Maureen]

asiya: I can see your point about drunkenness. I loathe it and avoid drunks like the plague. However, I do not dismiss a glass of wine because of this. I guess this is a small thing that comes between Muslims and non-Muslims though.

[`asiya]

asiya: I can see your point about drunkenness. I loathe it and avoid drunks like the plague. However, I do not dismiss a glass of wine because of this. I guess this is a small thing that comes between Muslims and non-Muslims though.

well to us its not a small thing, if it has been forbidden by almighty Allah and his messenger peace be upon him, then it is a big thing for us to disobey in that we take our religion very seriously because Allah warns us time and time again not to go the way of the previous nations that He sent scriptures to, namely what are known as the torah and the injeel (or the gospel) the instructions given to Jesus peace be upon him, and those are who disobeyed Almighty Allah and the prophets and messengers that He sent and follow their whims and desires over the religion and took the word of their preists and rabbis over the word of Almighty Allah. and look what happened to me as i said , when i visited my neighbour i was just about to leave as her husband came in, and he walked in with a beer can opened it and it sprayed all over me by mistake and i had to go home and wash my clothes. here are some of the warnings we have been given about such things.( alhamdulillah sis anna just sent me these the other day :jkk: anna :up:)

the prophet salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said "Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in your major actions, so beware of following him in your minor actions."

In another instance the Prophet Muhammad salAllahu alleyhi wa salam said:

"Satan has given up hope that there will be idol worship in the Arabian Peninsula [i.e. lands of the Muslims] but he will be pleased with what is less than that – with the sins that you belittle, and these will be the destroyers on the Day of Resurrection"

Ibn Mas'ud says: "A believer treats a sin as if it is a mountain over his head that may fall on him any moment. Whereas a regular violator looks at them as a fly that perked on his nose and he waived it away with his hand." (Bukhari)

Anas Ibn Malik may Allah be pleased with him said "You imagine certain sins to be more insignificant than a straw. But, at the time of the Prophet (pbuh) we used to count them among those that can destroy a man."

and personally even before i was a muslim i hated the smell of alcohol, i can smell it from a few feet away even if someone has had one drink its very pungent and i just dont like it at all its not plesant to sit with people who smell bad.

[Salman Al-Farsi]

kuffar huh
well i would be very worried if i could even hold a conversation with them
i mean yuk they eat non hallal food they dont wash themselves nothing
it makes me feel sick wallahi
and then to sit and talk with one
i hardly leave my house so i guess that is what helps me escape them and i try to only buy from muslims when i go out just the thought of them makes me sick
MUJAHIDEEN please opne a dowla islamiyyah

are you serious?

[scribble]

kuffar huh
well i would be very worried if i could even hold a conversation with them
i mean yuk they eat non hallal food they dont wash themselves nothing
it makes me feel sick wallahi
and then to sit and talk with one
i hardly leave my house so i guess that is what helps me escape them and i try to only buy from muslims when i go out just the thought of them makes me sick
MUJAHIDEEN please opne a dowla islamiyyah

As a Muslim you should know better than to judge people.

[Hiking]

As a Muslim you should know better than to judge people.

:love: every kaffir is a potential revert

[afsalim]

kuffar huh
well i would be very worried if i could even hold a conversation with them
i mean yuk they eat non hallal food they dont wash themselves nothing
it makes me feel sick wallahi
and then to sit and talk with one
i hardly leave my house so i guess that is what helps me escape them and i try to only buy from muslims when i go out just the thought of them makes me sick
MUJAHIDEEN please opne a dowla islamiyyah

You should get out more often.

Back on the topic, I get along with them just fine. Four of my childhood friends are non-Muslims (two Christians, one Hindu and one Buddhist). They're always there when I need them the most.

[zaki]

what do i feel about non-Muslims? well i love my mummy and daddy who are non-muslims for a start :D

Nothing wrong with non-Muslims, we should hate non-muslims, only hate what they believe :)

[risalatul_islam]

:salams

I see them as potential muslims. I always try my best and find a way to give them dawah.

[Anonymous2008]

what do i feel about non-Muslims? well i love my mummy and daddy who are non-muslims for a start :D

Nothing wrong with non-Muslims, we should hate non-muslims, only hate what they believe :)

:S

[MWarrior]

kuffar huh

i hardly leave my house so i guess that is what helps me escape them and i try to only buy from muslims when i go out just the thought of them makes me sick
MUJAHIDEEN please opne a dowla islamiyyah

LOL :D ALLAHU AKBAR, No comment :rotfl:


You should get out more often.

Back on the topic, I get along with them just fine. Four of my childhood friends are non-Muslims (two Christians, one Hindu and one Buddhist). They're always there when I need them the most.
do you go have a pint with them at the pub every friday as well ?? :) :coolbro:


what do i feel about non-Muslims? well i love my mummy and daddy who are non-muslims for a start :D

Nothing wrong with non-Muslims, we should hate non-muslims, only hate what they believe :)

Okie Dokie, i shall hate non muslims from now on. If anyone asks me why i shall say you told me to do so. :D

jus joking bro, i know you missed out the "not".

[scribble]

It was just a spelling error.

"shouldn't" I'm sure that's what the brother meant.

[Anonymous2008]

kuffar huh

i hardly leave my house so i guess that is what helps me escape them and i try to only buy from muslims when i go out just the thought of them makes me sick
MUJAHIDEEN please opne a dowla islamiyyah

If you live in a predominatley non-muslim country then feel free to go back to where ever you came from if you aren't decent enough to respect the people and values of the nation. I'm from the UK but i have respect to British values.

i mean yuk they eat non hallal food they dont wash themselves nothing
it makes me feel sick wallahi

How do you know whether I wash? In fact I am just as clean as I was when I was a Muslim. So you are saying those former non-muslims who have become muslims now have dirty families? That's a big thing to say about someone's mother and father. As a Muslim i expected you to have manners.

And MWarrior, you are just as regressive for laughing at such moronic comments.

[`asiya]

If you live in a predominatley non-muslim country then feel free to go back to where ever you came from if you aren't decent enough to respect the people and values of the nation. I'm from the UK but i have respect to British values.

you with the BNP ? its amazing how people always throw that statement around so lightly the old "go back to where u came from"

... and yet the same people keep telling the world that people who are british born are equal citizens, free to practice any religion, and just as entitled to be here as anyone else "allegedly" but the facts are that if ur white and not a muslim your welcome to complain about the country you live in, or even some peoples way of life, and point out the faults no problem.

however if your not white, and u dare to say anything about this country then its "go back to where u came from " and statements like that are just purely racist, and the people making them dont even see it in themselves. even white british people dont respect these so called "british values" do yourself a favour and dont assume that people who arent white or who happen to be muslims have anywhere to go back too.. because this is where they come from!

[Anonymous2008]

you with the BNP ? its amazing how people always throw that statement around so lightly the old "go back to where u came from"

I reckon I'd be the first South-Eastern European in it, it'd be more like Balkan Nationalist Party. I wonder why you don't attack her for making stupid comments like she did.

... and yet the same people keep telling the world that people who are british born are equal citizens, free to practice any religion, and just as entitled to be here as anyone else "allegedly" but the facts are that if ur white and not a muslim your welcome to complain about the country you live in, or even some peoples way of life, and point out the faults no problem.

Yes but saying non-muslims are dirty and she can't stand the site off us is ok. Congradulations on that one.

however if your not white, and u dare to say anything about this country then its "go back to where u came from " and statements like that are just purely racist, and the people making them dont even see it in themselves. even white british people dont respect these so called "british values" do yourself a favour and dont assume that people who arent white or who happen to be muslims have anywhere to go back too..
I am not being racist. In fact I didn't tell ehr to go back to her country. I said if she doesn't like the culture she can freely go back to where she came from if she doesn't like it. So don't twist my words.

because this is where they come from!
M.L.K. of the Muslim world are we?

Asiya she said that we are disgusting, don't wash and doesn't want to leave her house because of us, even though the country she lives keeps her alive. And you expect me to keep quiet? I bet if I said the same about Muslims you would defend someone other than me:up:

[afsalim]

Chill folks. Let's not be disrespectful to each other. "RESPECT" should go both way around. But I agree with this statement, if you don't like the Kuffar and living in a so-called Kuffar land, feel free to pack your bags and leave. If you don't respect other people, don't expect them to respect you. Each non-Muslim is a potential Muslim. Win their hearts with compassion and virtue.

[Omar Mukhtar]

f you don't like the Kuffar and living in a so-called Kuffar land, feel free to pack your bags and leave.

Earth belongs to Allah s.w.t, just because there's majority of them here don't mean it belongs to them.

[`asiya]

I am not being racist. In fact I didn't tell ehr to go back to her country. I said if she doesn't like the culture she can freely go back to where she came from if she doesn't like it. So don't twist my words.


M.L.K. of the Muslim world are we?


i dont think the 1st post was appropriate at all, and others adressed that, hence i didnt. but what im trying to point out to you is that youre assuming the person who posted it must come from "elsewhere" in the first place... can the people born and bred in britain not dislike british culture without it being assumed that they must be from another land :S i know plenty of british born and bred people all non muslims, who say britain and its culture has totally gone to the dogs..

what is the M.L.K btw :0:

[Khubaib]

i dont think the 1st post was appropriate at all, and others adressed that, hence i didnt. but what im trying to point out to you is that youre assuming the person who posted it must come from "elsewhere" in the first place... can the people born and bred in britain not dislike british culture without it being assumed that they must be from another land :S i know plenty of british born and bred people all non muslims, who say britain and its culture has totally gone to the dogs..

what is the M.L.K btw :0:

:salams:
I haven't read this conversation. I'm assuming martin luther king?

[Anonymous2008]

i dont think the 1st post was appropriate at all, and others adressed that, hence i didnt. but what im trying to point out to you is that youre assuming the person who posted it must come from "elsewhere" in the first place... can the people born and bred in britain not dislike british culture without it being assumed that they must be from another land :S i know plenty of british born and bred people all non muslims, who say britain and its culture has totally gone to the dogs..

what is the M.L.K btw :0:

I didn't assume you can't be British born and Muslim. In fact I have never met a person who is ashamed to be British and so therefore must like the culture. I just think it's unjust you defended your brethren for her idiocy and then attacked me for putting her correct, it's bias and unintelligent.

M.L.K. - Martin Luther King

Chill folks. Let's not be disrespectful to each other. "RESPECT" should go both way around. But I agree with this statement, if you don't like the Kuffar and living in a so-called Kuffar land, feel free to pack your bags and leave. If you don't respect other people, don't expect them to respect you. Each non-Muslim is a potential Muslim. Win their hearts with compassion and virtue.

Saifah, take a leaf from this person's book.

[`asiya]

:salams:
I haven't read this conversation. I'm assuming martin luther king?

:wswrwb: oh ok thanks akhi :jkk: amin

well i personally think martin luther king did a lot to start to wake america up from its racist slumber, and lets face it america still has such a long way to go before all men are truely considered equal there, and yes we all need to do the same in britain too... muslims and non muslim ..

[`asiya]

I didn't assume you can't be British born and Muslim. In fact I have never met a person who is ashamed to be British and so therefore must like the culture. I just think it's unjust you defended your brethren for her idiocy and then attacked me for putting her correct, it's bias and unintelligent.

M.L.K. - Martin Luther King



Saifah, take a leaf from this person's book.

where did i defend that post... as i said the post was dealt with by others .. i didnt attack you, i just said that people saying "go back to where u came from" is a really racist thing to say. when i go abroad and people ask are u english i tell them no..try travelling a bit, even just around europe and u will find the english and their british culture is not the most popular anywhere else except.. in britain ..anyways no point discussing if ur just going to sling personal insults around too. i would have said the same before i became a muslim too.

[Anonymous2008]

where did i defend that post... as i said the post was dealt with by others .. i didnt attack you, i just said that people saying "go back to where u came from" is a really racist thing to say. when i go abroad and people ask are u english i tell them no..try travelling a bit, even just around europe and u will find the english and their british culture is not the most popular anywhere else except.. in britain ..anyways no point discussing if ur just going to sling personal insults around too.

I didn't even say anything racist. You don't have to talk to me about travelling, Asiya, i was a refugee and I had to flee my country, trust me i've travelled.

[`asiya]

I didn't even say anything racist. You don't have to talk to me about travelling, Asiya, i was a refugee and I had to flee my country, trust me i've travelled.

im sorry to hear u went through that. fact is when i`ve been to spain, portugal, france, andora, holland even canada, they all totally dislike the british culture, they find it very uncouth.

[Anonymous2008]

im sorry to hear u went through that. fact is when i`ve been to spain, portugal, france, andora, holland even canada, they all totally dislike the british culture, they find it very uncouth.

Ok well I think we have drawn to the conclusion that the comment was wrong, I reacted to harshly, you misinterpreted and we have cooled down now.

Sorry if I offended you.

[`asiya]

Ok well I think we have drawn to the conclusion that the comment was wrong, I reacted to harshly, you misinterpreted and we have cooled down now.

Sorry if I offended you.

me too, sorry for any misunderstanding :up: alhamdulillah

[Skavau]

Earth belongs to Allah s.w.t, just because there's majority of them here don't mean it belongs to them.

I disagree.

I think it belongs to Thor. Just because there's a majority of people who don't believe in Thor doesn't mean it belongs to them.

[Omar Mukhtar]

I think it belongs to Thor. Just because there's a majority of people who don't believe in Thor doesn't mean it belongs to them.

Thor (Old Norse: Þór) is the red-haired and bearded god of thunder in Germanic paganism and its subset Norse paganism.

[Skavau]

Thor (Old Norse: Þór) is the red-haired and bearded god of thunder in Germanic paganism and its subset Norse paganism.

That's the one.

One of these days... just wait!

[Omar Mukhtar]

you wish.:rolleyes:

[Skavau]

you wish.:rolleyes:
Not really.

It was just a demonstration of how absurd the claim that a supernatural being owns the world is.

[afsalim]

Earth belongs to Allah s.w.t, just because there's majority of them here don't mean it belongs to them.

Reading a sentence out of context would not make sense and is open to interpretation. Please read my post again.

[afsalim]

Not really.

It was just a demonstration of how absurd the claim that a supernatural being owns the world is.

To some, atheism is absurdity. Then again, that's what you call a difference in opinion.

[MPC]

im sorry to hear u went through that. fact is when i`ve been to spain, portugal, france, andora, holland even canada, they all totally dislike the british culture, they find it very uncouth.

bar Canada.

European nations tend to say that about each other all the time. I'd like to think that we are like an old family. We agree on most things. Democracy, rule of law, UEFA, Eurovision song contest etc. But we have run out of decent things to argue about so we pick fault. There is no harm intended. And I believe you are British anyway? Apologies if I'm wrong.

[Genghis]

I have mannnnny non-muslim friends, there always at my house playing consoles I play footy with them, I get on with them perfect mahshallah,

Also all you people being dipsticks and like saying that there messed up etc. we should hate and avoid them...

Well no offense if you lot want people to understand our religion its better to be friends with them and explain our religion to them instead of alienating ourselves from them, The Prophet Muhammad (PBUH)

At a time lived "peacefully" with Jews Christians etc.

I know its not easy but by totally avoiding them just causes more confusion fear and so on.. :D

[Medievalist]

I was just wondering how Muslims felt around non-Muslims.

I get an allergic reaction. My left eye starts twitching and my right leg starts spasming and I start foaming at the mouth :(:(

[PiElle2]

I disagree.

I think it belongs to Thor. Just because there's a majority of people who don't believe in Thor doesn't mean it belongs to them.


just because there are some people who dun believe in Allah doesn't mean it doesn't belong to Allah.

[Khadhijah]

I am mostly uncomfortable when am around non-muslims and I find it difficult to engage convos with them. I used to have one or two friends in high school. Other than that I just could not warm up to them, I still can't. That doesn't mean am rude to them or anything but I have never got close to them.

[-Shamil-]

they scare the bejeezus out of me :nervous:

[Joha]

im sorry to hear u went through that. fact is when i`ve been to spain, portugal, france, andora, holland even canada, they all totally dislike the british culture, they find it very uncouth.

have you asked us what we think of them :p

I think the feeling is mutual :D Especially the French...God, the French :2hammers:, your poor little island stuck in between!

[MPC]

have you asked us what we think of them :p

I think the feeling is mutual :D Especially the French...God, the French :2hammers:, your poor little island stuck in between!

We might be uncouth island barbarians but that list was a who's who of the, at one time vanquished or rescued.

Whether you like us or not no ones invaded since 1066, who else can say that?

[neelu]

I get an allergic reaction. My left eye starts twitching and my right leg starts spasming and I start foaming at the mouth :(:(

Really? I thought that was your reaction to educated women;)

[Lord Summerisle]

Really? I thought that was your reaction to educated women;)

:rotfl:

Abu M too! ;)

[Hijabi_Solja]

I get an allergic reaction. My left eye starts twitching and my right leg starts spasming and I start foaming at the mouth :(:(


Same thing happens to me when I have to do the laundry :nervous:

[Medievalist]

Really? I thought that was your reaction to educated women;)

nah, thats when I bring out my shotgun **pop pop pop**

[Medievalist]

On a serious note - close friends have always been muslims from subcontinent. I remember in junior school I was good friends with an english kid in year 4 but even from reception to year 6 best friend was a muslim.

Secondary school mostly muslims, although towards the end I could have proper convos with a number of the english. One guy who at the time I thought was a friend was a hindu, but then later when you get older you realise that there's a difference between friend and acquaintance - cos the only people I've kept in contact with from school are my friends, the others, even those I had proper laffs with turned out to be just good acquaintances.

And now still friends are pretty much the ones from school and work and uni. I've never been to a non-muslim friend/acquantance house, actually I have but that was with someone else. But yeh - house visits never happen with non-muslims.

[irony]

Salam,

Firstly, I really like the nick of the thread starter.. 'Salman Al Farsi'.... :up:

Well, I am quite normal about non-Muslims. My relatives from Mothers' side including my Mother is Christian, so I am used to hanging out with non-Muslim relatives more than Muslim relatives.. But, I do prefer hanging out with Muslims when there's a religious discussion, especially in Mosques, as it strengthens Faith.

[sada]

bismillah...jazakAllah khayr for the question...
well,i think the question should have been also'how do we have to feel about non-moslems according shareah'...
so,I am allowed to accept them:
1-the firstly;if they Allah azza wa jalla puts the faith of Islam 'iman' in their hearts,so my aim is to indicate their mind to hear wisdom of this faith in their hearths...to make tableegh,u know...
2-and we are not allowed to make relationship with them and like them as moslems...al-hubb lillah wa al-bughz lillah...
wassalam...

[naila-k]

does that mean i shouldn't like and make a relationship with my mother?

[naila-k]

Salam,

Firstly, I really like the nick of the thread starter.. 'Salman Al Farsi'.... :up:

Well, I am quite normal about non-Muslims. My relatives from Mothers' side including my Mother is Christian, so I am used to hanging out with non-Muslim relatives more than Muslim relatives.. But, I do prefer hanging out with Muslims when there's a religious discussion, especially in Mosques, as it strengthens Faith.

can i ask a question, if you eat with your non muslim family?

[naila-k]

And just an as an after thought id like to mention that after I reverted the non-muslim friends that supported me the most (i only had 2 muslim m8s) were practicing christians.

[sada]

assalam...u know Rasuulullah saw was sent all creators being 'rahmatan lil aalameen'(mercy and grace for all universe)...do you read how He saw made dua in the event of 'miraj'(it is mentioned in surah israa)?...regard how His heart is full of love,mercy for all creators but He asked Allah for only moslems with a precisely love for them...
of course,u are allowed to talk to them,even protect their rights,help them etc...but these acts are not in the same way as u behave to moslems and feel affection them...all of these are determined in ayah and hadith...and ijmaa,kıyas...but here we discuss about feelings so also it is clear so much in ayah,hadith,sunnah of Rasuulullah saw...

[sada]

can i ask a question, if you eat with your non muslim family?

assalam...and of course u are allowed to eat with them...but take care of what u eat,halal or haraam...and all these meetings must be for tablegh and some necessities in the conditions which shareah allows u...

[sada]

assalam...and ukhtee or akhee,i donno,we appreciate with u,alhamdulillah...i make dua for your khayr in ur entire life inshAllah...

[naila-k]

that doesnt make sense, as a muslim i have to respect and cherish my mother even if she is non muslim, paradise is at her feet. Also wasnt one of the prophets uncles who helped defend the muslims non muslim and the prophet tried to interceed and Allah said he would let the fire be only up to his ankles.

[naila-k]

what is tablegh and the neccessities?

[sada]

that doesnt make sense, as a muslim i have to respect and cherish my mother even if she is non muslim, paradise is at her feet. Also wasnt one of the prophets uncles who helped defend the muslims non muslim and the prophet tried to interceed and Allah said he would let the fire be only up to his ankles.

assalam...u could say to me to my salam 'waalaikumussalam' as a reply,it is the first point...
well,akhee when u write' it doesnt make sense',if u write this for my own words which aren't based on any knowledge of Islam(even i am trying not to write except of Islam,inshAllah, but i think u are new and u can't decide which thoughts are based on Islam exactly)jazakAllah khayr(may Allah reward u the best)...but when u learn more in -especially- aqeedah and fiqh(belief and law)of Islam,inshAllah u will be able to perceive where my words are based on and u get that we cant judge laws of Islam ourselves...
i didnt read that event u mentioned about a prophet,is it mentioned in a hadith?
and of course non-moslems have right on us in our society and theirs...moslem is someone who has the best morals,character,manners for all creators...moslem isnt allow to hurm,torture etc.with injustice...u misundestand some criticsipoints here...the question is about feelings,for not manners...of course u must respect ur mom and help her in the best way...think,when i work as a dr., inshAllah i am trying for it,i believe all people's health is a trust for me...these manners are determined in fiqh books of lots of scholars,u must read them in order inshAllah...
for instance a part for u...
The Shaikh Ibn othaimeen stated,

...Likewise I invite you to have respect for those people who have the right that they should be respected, from those between you and whom there is and agreement (of protection) [i.e. Non-Muslims]. For the land which you are living is such that there is an agreement between you and them. If this were not the case they would have killed you or expelled you. So preserve this agreement, and do not prove treacherous to it, since treachery is a sign of the hypocrites, and it is not from the way of the Believers.

And know that it is authentically reported from the Prophet that he said : "Whoever kills one who is under and agreement of protection will not smell the fragrance of Paradise."

O my brothers. O youth. O Muslims. Be truthful in your buying and selling, and renting, and leasing, and in all mutual transactions. Because truthfulness is from the characteristics of the Believers, and Allaah - the Most High - has commanded truthfulness - in the saying of Allaah - the Most High -

"O you who believe - fear and keep you duty to Allaah and be with the truthful"

And the Prophet encouraged truthfulness and said : "Adhere to truthfulness, because truthfulness leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise; and a person will continue to be truthful, and strive to be truthful until he will be written down with Allaah as a truthful person".

And he warned against falsehood, and said : "Beware of falsehood, because falsehood leads to wickedness, and wickedness leads to the Fire. And a person will continue lying, and striving to lie until he is written down with Allaah as a great liar."

O my brother Muslims. O youth. Be true in your sayings with your brothers, and with those Non-Muslims whom you live along with - so that you will be inviters to the Religion of Islaam, by your actions and in reality. So how many people there are who first entered into Islaam because of the behaviour and manners of the Muslims, and their truthfulness, and their being true in their dealings.

[naila-k]

salaam alaikum
when i said it doesnt make sense, i meant i dont understand, and i still don't understand what i should be doing in the practical sense.

[sada]

wa alaikumussalam wa rahmatullah...ok,dear it is not issue,i only wanted to indicate how we should imply our comments on something which are related of ayah or hadith,u know...
of course u are right to ask about senses,i will explain u some instances from Sahaba of Rasoolullah saw and u can perceive from their stories how they felt about their non-moslem relatives...inshAllah i will try ro send in this night but now some bussiness are waiting for me:)wassalam...

[sada]

assalamu alaikum...i've just come,ok the first level is to get why we must take care about our feelings for non-moslems,please have a look these ayahs 1,2 and 3 in surah of momtaheena and its explanation:
(1. O you who believe! Take not My enemies and your enemies as protecting friends, showing affection towards them, while they have disbelieved in what has come to you of the truth, and have driven out the Messenger and yourselves because you believe in Allah, your Lord! If you have come forth to strive in My cause and to seek My good pleasure. You show friendship to them in secret, while I am All-Aware of what you conceal and what you reveal. And whosoever of you (Muslims) does that, then indeed he has gone (far) astray from the straight path.) (2. Should they gain the upper hand over you, they would behave to you as enemies, and stretch forth their hands and their tongues against you with evil, and they desire that you should disbelieve.) (3. Neither your relatives nor your children will benefit you on the Day of Resurrection. He will judge between you. And Allah is the All-Seer of what you do.)
here,it is clarified what these ayahs mean and which events they are based on:
The story of Hatib bin Abi Balta`ah is the reason behind revealing the beginning of this honorable Surah. Hatib was among the Early Emigrants and participated in the battle of Badr. Hatib had children and wealth in Makkah, but he was not from the tribe of Quraysh. Rather, he was an ally of `Uthman. When the Messenger of Allah decided to conquer Makkah, after its people broke the peace treaty between them, he ordered the Muslims to mobilize their forces to attack Makkah, and then said,
(O Allah! Keep our news concealed from them.) Hatib wrote a letter and sent it to the people of Makkah, with a woman from the tribe of Quraysh, informing them of the Messenger's intent to attack them. He wanted them to be indebted to him ﴿so that they would grant safety to his family in Makkah﴾. Allah the Exalted conveyed this matter to His Messenger , because He accepted the Prophet's invocation ﴿to Him to conceal the news of the attack﴾. The Prophet sent someone after the woman and retrieved the letter. This story is collected in the Two Sahihs. Imam Ahmad recorded that Hasan bin Muhammad bin `Ali said that `Abdullah bin Abu Rafi` -- or Ubaydullah bin Abu Rafi` -- said that he heard `Ali say, "Allah's Messenger sent me, Zubayr and Al-Miqdad saying,
(Proceed until you reach Rawdat Khakh, where there is a lady carrying a letter. Take that letter from her.) So we proceeded on our way, with our horses galloping, until we reached the Rawdah. There we found the lady and said to her, `Take out the letter.' She said, `I am not carrying a letter.' We said, `Take out the letter, or else we will take off your clothes.' So she took it out of her braid, and we brought the letter to Allah's Messenger . The letter was addressed from Hatib bin Abu Balta`ah to some pagans of Makkah, telling them about what Allah's Messenger intended to do. Allah's Messenger said,
(O Hatib! What is this) Hatib replied, `O Allah's Messenger! Do not make a hasty decision about me. I was a person not belonging to Quraysh, but I was an ally to them. All the Emigrants who were with you have kinsmen (in Makkah) who can protect their families. So I wanted to do them a favor, so they might protect my relatives, as I have no blood relation with them. I did not do this out of disbelief or to renegade from my religion, nor did I do it to choose disbelief after Islam.' Allah's Messenger said to his Companions,
(Regarding him, he has told you the truth.) `Umar said, `O Allah's Messenger! Allow me to chop off the head of this hypocrite!' The Prophet saw said,
(He attended Badr. What can I tell you, perhaps Allah looked at those who attended Badr and said, "O the people of Badr, do what you like, for I have forgiven you.'')''

[sada]

(4. Indeed there has been an excellent example for you in Ibrahim and those with him, when they said to their people: "Verily, we are free from you and whatever you worship besides Allah, we have rejected you, and there has started between us and you, hostility and hatred forever until you believe in Allah alone,'' -- except the saying of Ibrahim to his father: "Verily, I will ask forgiveness for you, but I have no power to do anything for you before Allah.'' "Our Lord! In You we put our trust, and to You we turn in repentance, and to You is the final Return.'')
(except the saying of Ibrahim to his father: "Verily, I will ask forgiveness (from Allah) for you...'') means, `you have a good example in Ibrahim and his people; as for Ibrahim's prayers for Allah his father, it was a promise that he made for his father.' When Ibrahim became sure that his father was an enemy of Allah, he declared himself innocent of him. Some of the believers used to invoke Allah for their parents who died as disbelievers, begging Him to forgive them. They did so claiming that Ibrahim used to invoke Allah to forgive his father.)
(7. Perhaps Allah will make friendship between you and those whom you hold as enemies. And Allah has power (over all things), and Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.) (8. Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes. Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.) (9. It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out, that Allah forbids you to befriend them. And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrongdoers.)
in the hadith it is mentioned:
And in the Hadith:
(Love your loved one moderately, because one day, he might become your enemy. Hate your hated one moderately, because one day, he might become your loved one.) Allah's statement,

(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion nor drove you out of your homes,) means, those who did not have a role in your expulsion. Therefore, Allah does not forbid you from being kind to the disbelievers who do not fight you because of the religion, such as women and weak disbelievers,
to deal kindly) to be gentle with them,
and justly with those) to be fair with them
(Verily, Allah loves those who deal with equity.) Imam Ahmad recorded that Asma' bint Abu Bakr said, "My mother, who was an idolatress at the time, came to me during the Treaty of Peace, the Prophet conducted with the Quraysh. I came to the Prophet and said, `O Allah's Messenger! My mother came visiting, desiring something from me, should I treat her with good relations' The Prophet said,
(Yes. Keep good relation with your mother.)'' The Two Sahihs recorded this Hadith. Imam Ahmad recorded that `Abdullah bin Zubayr said, "Qutaylah came visiting her daughter, Asma' bint Abi Bakr, with some gifts, such as Dibab, cheese and clarified (cooking) butter, and she was an idolatress at that time. Asma' refused to accept her mother's gifts and did not let her enter her house. `A'ishah asked the Prophet about his verdict and Allah sent down the Ayah,
(Allah does not forbid you with those who fought not against you on account of religion) until the end of the Ayah. Allah's Messenger ordered Asma' to accept her mother's gifts and to let her enter her house.'' Allah's statement,
(Allah loves those who deal with equity.) was duly explained in the Tafsir of Surat Al-Hujurat. We also mentioned the authentic Hadith,
(The just, who are fair in their decisions, families and those under their authority, will be on podiums made of light, to the right of the Throne.)

[sada]

(It is only as regards those who fought against you on account of religion, and have driven you out of your homes, and helped to drive you out that Allah forbids you to befriend them.) (60:9) means,
`Allah forbids you from being kind and befriending with the disbelievers who are openly hostile to you, those who fought against you, expelled you and helped to expel you. Allah the Exalted forbids you from being their friends and orders you to be their enemy.' Then Allah stresses His threat against being friends with them, by saying,

(And whosoever will befriend them, then such are the wrongdoers.) As He said;

(O you who believe! Take not the Jews and the Christians as protecting friends, they are but protecting friends of each other. And if any among you takes them (as protecting friends), then surely, he is one of them. Verily, Allah guides not those people who are the wrongdoers) (5:51)

[Qalqilya]

I find it weird to be with a non-muslim because they always stare, ask odd questions and if you go their homes, their bound to have dogs.:rolleyes:

[the_middle_road]

I don't know.

[Al-Farooq]

I have noticed that my relationships with my non-muslim friends have changed considerably since I became Muslim (alhamdulillah), which is to be expected, I suppose.

Although I don't really spend time with most of them any more because we don't have any common interests and haven't done for a long time, even before I became Muslim (alhamdulillah), there are a few that I have remained friends with. However, even my friendship with those few has dramatically changed - we rarely spend time together and rarely even speak on the phone. I guess that's to be expected, as we are heading in very different directions, so to speak and I'm quite happy about that because they can be a very negative influence upon my emaan.

To be perfectly honest, the only non-Muslims I really care about these days are my family. May Allah azzawajal guide them all to al-Islam. Ameen.

[sada]

:up:amin,biiznillahi taalaa...

[Maureen]

As a non-Muslim I get along with Muslims fine, though I do find they are abit guarded in what they say. At work for example, if we are talking about work related matters there is no problem whatsoever, but if the conversation drifts to home or outside activities, they go abit quiet.

[pagan]

Kaffirs rock.........:hidban::hidban::hidban::hidban::hidb an::hidban:

[Kurd]

Non Muslims are like a human cancer, all they seek is to let the rich jump on the poor. The non muslims are sub humans.

That is just my opinion no ban:rolleyes:

[Love&Peace]

Non Muslims are like a human cancer, all they seek is to let the rich jump on the poor. The non muslims are sub humans.

That is just my opinion no ban:rolleyes:

I believe you are great at anti-dawah ;)

[Simply_Logical]

Non Muslims are like a human cancer, all they seek is to let the rich jump on the poor. The non muslims are sub humans.

That is just my opinion no ban:rolleyes:

so what would you do if your neighbours were non muslims?
islamically they have rights upon you,
so would you neglect them just because their non musims?

at least some non muslims have good characters and manners,
look at us muslims,
we learn a bit about islam and walk around with a chip on our shoulders,
the more we learn, the more humble we should be!
no wonder the ummah is in such a state!

just because we muslim today dont mean we gonna die muslims,
just because their non muslims today dont mean they gonna die non muslim!

whoever allah guides will never be misguided
and whoever allah misguides will never be guided!

p.s people like umar radiallah anhu ran over 2.5 million square miles of the earth because,
these beloved companions lived for the hereafter and had good character and gave everyone their rights regardless,
to being muslim/non muslim or even an animal!

That is just my opinion too!

[Anonymous2008]

Non Muslims are like a human cancer, all they seek is to let the rich jump on the poor. The non muslims are sub humans.

That is just my opinion no ban:rolleyes:

How does becoming a Muslim then instantly make you more human?

[Reema]

Get on with them just fine.

[Tahiyah]

non muslims are human beings (and potential muslims)

all mankind is creation from Allah and deserves respect for that alone

honestly muslimeen, emulate the ways of the last Prophet (peace be upon him)

i am closing this thread as it is disrespectful and tasteless