Anaesthetic for male circumcision

[Unregistered44]

My hubby of a few months is a revert but he has never been circumcised. We have talked about it recently. He was a bit reluctant at first, but I have persuaded him that it is essential to have it done, insha'Allah, for cleanliness, purity and as a statement of his belonging to Islaam. He has agreed to have it done. Alhumdulillah.

I feel that as an adult, he should be brave enough to undergo this procedure with no anaesthetic, which is a modern innovation, and which would be a stronger demonstration of his submission to Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta 'aala). He is not so sure however and so I was wondering if anyone has any guidance on this aspect of khitan .

[Al-Nasser]

anesthetic is not a modern innovation

[Chained_Water]

Reading this makes me worry for the poor bloke..

He's a new Muslim.. and you are telling him things like anaesthetic is a modern innovation and if he avoids it will show greater submission to Allah swt.. It makes me wonder what else you must be telling him about Islam.. :rubeyes:

[the_middle_road]

:rubeyes:


يُرِيدُ اللَّهُ بِكُمُ الْيُسْرَ وَلا يُرِيدُ بِكُمُ الْعُسْرَ

Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties.

(al-Baqarah: 185)



Allah (swt) desires ease for us, not hardship. There's no need for him to go through this without anaesthetic. Doing that won't make him a better Muslim. And as has been said, it is not an innovation.

[helping]

salam

try being easy on him. discuss with a doctor and if he feels the need for anaesthesia then so be it. After all it is he who will go through the pain. Also if its not haram( which it isnt) then why stop him.

Also, since he is older does he have 2 get it done ? i mean islamically what does islam say about reverts who havent gotten it done before? do they have 2 do it or is it forgiven?

[sa0531]

I'd check with scholars. I don't see why him willing to take the pain matters. The point is purity and following Islamic rules, not him trying to show you how 'brave' he is.

[haque]

NO anasthesia :rubeyes: for circumcision. I know you're a woman, but how would you like to be circumcised without anasthesia? The area of the penis is filled with nerve endings, cutting a part of it without any regard for what the patient will go through is cruel!

[Pippin1376]

My hubby of a few months is a revert but he has never been circumcised. We have talked about it recently. He was a bit reluctant at first, but I have persuaded him that it is essential to have it done, insha'Allah, for cleanliness, purity and as a statement of his belonging to Islaam. He has agreed to have it done. Alhumdulillah.

I feel that as an adult, he should be brave enough to undergo this procedure with no anaesthetic, which is a modern innovation, and which would be a stronger demonstration of his submission to Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta 'aala). He is not so sure however and so I was wondering if anyone has any guidance on this aspect of khitan .

Sister, may Allah always be happy with you and your family. Alhamdulillah your husband came to the right path, and may Allah help your husband with his faith.

I'm not a male, but I do know that getting circumcised hurts. Your husband is new to the faith, instead of pushing him to go in and struggle, let him take some pain relief. This will be a new process for him, and alhamdulillah he's doing it. But to say that he shouldn't use anesthetic, when Allah doesn't want us to be put in unnecessary pain isn't right.

Think of it like this, if you (maybe not you, but others) have a headache, they'll get pain medication. A headache isn't going to compare to being circumcised.

If he feels comfortable about not using anesthetic, then that is great. But if he doesn't, don't push him. Instead be glad that he's getting it done.

May Allah make the situation easier for you.

[Unregistered777]

I'm sorry but i dont get your logic, and no its not a modern innovation so i dont think you should ask your husband to do it without anesthestic no offence but its ridiculous of you to suggest that, I'm finding it hard to comprehend how it demonstrates submissiveness, rather it seems to defy common sense

[painful!]

Salaam

ukhti, PLEASE don't put your husband through such pain subhanullah - anaesthetic is NOT a modern innovation? What? Do you expect yourself to go through the inevitable excrutiating pain fo having a child without undergoing any type of anaesthetic or painkiller/nullifier whatsoever?

As Al-Nasser said - anaesthetic is NOT a modern innovation

There is nothing wrong with using anaesthetic in order to perform surgery

Question:
Is using anaesthetic in order to perform surgery regarded as being like drinking alcohol?.

Answer:
Praise be to Allaah.

Firstly:

It is haraam for a person to consume anything that will take away his senses with no excuse, whether that is alcohol or anything else.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah said:

Everything that takes away one's senses is haraam, even if it does not result in drunkenness or intoxication. If it takes away the senses it is haraam according to the consensus of the Muslims. End quote.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 34/211

Secondly:

Khamr (usually translated as wine or alcohol) is that which takes away the senses in the form of pleasure, drunkenness and intoxication. This is the intoxicant for which the one who consumes it must be given the hadd punishment.

As for that which takes away the senses without any kind of pleasure or intoxication, this is not regarded as an intoxicant.

See al-Sharh al-Mumti’, 11/163.

Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Tayimiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) stated in several places that banj (lit. henbane or hyoscyamus niger, a narcotic and poisonous plant) is not an intoxicant.

Majmoo’ al-Fataawa, 14/117; 33/104; 34/198.

Thirdly:

The majority of scholars are of the view that it is permissible to use anaesthetics in cases of necessity, such as amputations or operations and the like.

See al-Mawsoo’ah al-Fiqhiyyah, 8/217.

It says in Asna al-Mataalib (4/160):

He may take it (henbane or anaesthetic) in order to become unconscious when having a diseased limb amputated. End quote.

Shaykh Ibn ‘Uthaymeen said:

As for anaesthetic, there is nothing wrong with it, because it is not an intoxicant. Intoxicants make a person lose his senses by way of pleasure and drunkenness, but the one who is anaesthetized does not feel any pleasure. Hence the scholars said that banj is halaal and there is nothing wrong with it, i.e., if there is a need for it in order to perform surgery and the like.

Liqaa’aat al-Baab il-Maftoohah (3/231):

This is unlike khamr (alcohol). In the answer to the question (41760) we have stated that it is not permissible to drink alcohol for medicinal purposes. The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “It – i.e., alcohol – is not a remedy, rather it is a disease.” Narrated by Muslim.

[.: Anna :.]

Sister no offense but this is crazy, and you dont have an reasoning for trying to make him do that. There is nothing unislamic about using anasthetic. Im sure he will be nervous to have that done even with the pain relief.. so insha allah why dnt u have a bit of mercy towards him?

[Saudi Prince]

Some Muslims need to be able to realise when others are [mocking] them! I'm not going to fall in this trap!

[Unregistered44]

Jazah Allaah Khair everyone. Thank you all for your replies. We try to live a simple life so I thought that it would be better this way, but I see where you are all coming from in that Allaah (subhaanahu wa ta 'aala) desires ease for us, not hardship. I will explain this to him and leave the decision entirely up to him.

[Tranquillity]

It makes me wonder how many similiar sacrifices YOU have made as a 'stronger demonstration' of YOUR 'submission to Allah (swt)' ??

Subhan'Allah! It is forbidden to oppress another Muslim.

[haque]

I read somewhere (maybe it was sahih bukhari's hadith) that adult converts to Islam didn't need to be circumcized; it's optional for them. btw, do your own research just to be sure and consult with a scholar.

[Russo]

Sis

I am glad that you asked this question before you had male babies as you sure would have put those babies thru some torture!

Ignorance is not bliss and not an excuse.

[Unregistered777]

Wa iyyaki sister, apologies if i came across as harsh

[Tranquillity]

Just to clarify that my response was made BEFORE the one before it had been posted, apologies if it comes across as rude!

[afsalim]

Anesthetics are essential in any surgical procedure. If you consider that to be a modern 'innovation', you should also consider the device which you're using to type this message and post it on an internet forum to be also an 'innovation'. Enduring unnecessary pain is not bravery, rather it is idiocy.

[eshanz]

oh my dear Lord thats well harsh. let my brother go to sleep, Allah (SWT) does not wish to put his slaves under more strain then they are capable of. n hes a new muslim ur scaring him an God forbid he switches back out of fear of his manhood, just coz sister here getting abit over excited :D
take it easy, relax its all good, anaesthetic is a good thing, embrace it :D

[Kal-El]

I had it done without much anaesthetic, well I don't know how much he gave me because I still remember the agony I was in. I had it done late, very late - I was 12 and my head almost went bright red reading this thread - subhanallah, I don't know whether to laugh or cry at the thought of having an adult male have his foreskin torn and cut off.

I'm not in a mood to be all nice with idiocy shown by people here, but you need to reevaluate your attitude. My deepest sympathies for your husband - he loves you unconditionally. I can't imagine how he'll feel knowing what you convinced him of wasn't true at all.

Ok I need to lay down now.

[Kal-El]

Finding out before he had this done probably just saved your marriage sis.

[Sultan]

I had my circumcision done in Tanger, Morocco many years ago because I could not find anywhere in the UK to do it.

Only cost me 1500 Dh to get it done one afternoon and I was put under general anaesthetic.

I suffered no pain or discomfat at all after the operation.

haque, all muslim men have to be circumcised. An uncircumcised man is not considered clean.

[Russo]

I had my circumcision done in Tanger, Morocco many years ago because I could not find anywhere in the UK to do it.

Only cost me 1500 Dh to get it done one afternoon and I was put under general anaesthetic.

I suffered no pain or discomfat at all after the operation.

haque, all muslim men have to be circumcised. An uncircumcised man is not considered clean.


Hospitals and private cosmetic surgery clinics DO offer male circumcision which you have to pay for but the service is there for anyone who needs it. THere are also plenty of muslim doctors who can perform it but it is better to go to hospital or clinic to be on the safe side.

[Deenworks.co.za]

Assalamu alaykum,

I was circumsized when I was 31. I made the intention to set things right from the deen perspective in my life... and that was one of the areas.

I had a local anesthetic.. it was very painful. Having several needles.. well.. thats the start. So you are aware what is happening. Also.. even though you have a local, there is a nerve.. that cant be put completely under the local anesthetic.. so when it came to that part.. the doctor said.. "Focus on Allah brother.." and he cut. I then had some of the area qurdorised (ie fused). I guess there was a vain.

We actually traveled several days after the procedure.. and for a while the area was painful..to sit, stand.. lie down. and also sometimes the skin wasnt ready.. and you get bleeds.

Then also came the big test.. but I think that should go to the brothers section of the forum for tips. :-)

SO.... sister.. you shouldn't wish unnecessary hardship on any one (especialy your husband).. there is enough pain in the world...if you want your man to get some pain.. that is not the time or place to have it done. As well your husband would probably punch the day light out of the Doctor and attendees... ( I would lol )

If you want him experience some pain.. get hijaama done on his back, forehead, head.. thats painfull enough.. but its part of the sunnah.

And yes.. in Ibrahim (as) we have a good example.. but we can not compare our selves to a prophet.

May Allah have mercy on us all.

Abdul'Maalik

[dudette]

I had my circumcision done in Tanger, Morocco many years ago because I could not find anywhere in the UK to do it.

Only cost me 1500 Dh to get it done one afternoon and I was put under general anaesthetic.

I suffered no pain or discomfat at all after the operation.

haque, all muslim men have to be circumcised. An uncircumcised man is not considered clean.

brother you brave to have had it done in morocco their health system isn't exactly world renowned lol...but mashaAllah it's good that you went on seeking what is right...may Allah reward those who strive in His way...

[locked1]

i think there are enough replies for the sis to consider
I think there are many posts here with un-needed detail about male circumsion.
Shouldn't this thread be locked now?

[Sultan]

brother you brave to have had it done in morocco their health system isn't exactly world renowned lol...but mashaAllah it's good that you went on seeking what is right...may Allah reward those who strive in His way...

Believe me, I have more faith in Moroccan health system than in the UK one.
I had to discharge myself last time I was in a british hospital because everyone in my ward was going down with food poisoning from contaminated hospital food and superbug infection! I was luck I only stuck to eating baked potatos.

[dhakiyya]

Believe me, I have more faith in Moroccan health system than in the UK one.
I had to discharge myself last time I was in a british hospital because everyone in my ward was going down with food poisoning from contaminated hospital food and superbug infection! I was luck I only stuck to eating baked potatos.

my grandad died in a UK hospital after contracting not one but three superbugs (including MRSA) whilst recieving routine treatment for cancer.

[dudette]

Believe me, I have more faith in Moroccan health system than in the UK one.
I had to discharge myself last time I was in a british hospital because everyone in my ward was going down with food poisoning from contaminated hospital food and superbug infection! I was luck I only stuck to eating baked potatos.

my grandad died in a UK hospital after contracting not one but three superbugs (including MRSA) whilst recieving routine treatment for cancer.

subhanAllah...dhakiyya: Allahi rahmu inshaAllah...sorry to hear bout that...
i didn't realise the british system was so bad...i've never had to go into hospital here before alhamdulillah but subhanAllah suprising to hear these accounts...