'Halal' food outlets . . . HFA/HMC/Halal

[sapphire_blue]

Some of us see the sign Halal and we automatically think it is ok to eat. We see that this has been certified by such and such but do we really know what checks that authority does or which rules they follow?

I was reading the Halal Monitoring Commitee's newsletter today and just thought I'd post this -

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f259/nafed86/halal.jpg

Look how many checks the Halal Food Authority and the Halal group do!

Look how, according to this, they don't think it is necessary (or they don't check it) to recite Bismillah personally on every animal by manual slaughter.

Look how they allow stunning and mechanical slaughter or they don't check it out at all . . .

It says Halal brothers and sisters - but, please - investigate it before eating.


Our Beloved Prophet (peace be upon him) said, “Halal is clear and the Haram is clear. Between the two there are doubtful matters concerning which people do not know whether they are Halal or Haram. One who avoids them in order to safeguard his religion and his honour is safe, while if someone engages in a part of them he may be doing something Haram, like one who grazes his animals near the ‘hima’ (the grounds reserved for animals belonging to the King which are out of bounds for others’ animals); it is thus quite likely that some of his animals will stray into it. Truly, every king has a ‘hima’, and the ‘hima’ of Allah is what He has prohibited.

(Reported by al-Bukhari, Muslim, and others; the narration is taken from
al Tirmidhi.)

[sapphire_blue]

To read issue 12 of the HMC Newsletter, click here -

http://www.halalmc.co.uk/newsletters/issue12.pdf

[~Warda~]

:jkk: for posting sis.

Its amazing how people just see the halal sign and assume its halal...i had a friend who went to a chicken shop and said it was halal because they had verses of the quran hung up in a frame at the back of the shop :smack:

[Phoenix CG]

me n my bro were talking about this today actually, and its important, what my question was is, do they kill the animals, or are they just a certifying body?

[Hafsah]

i think the problem with these 'bodies' is that they are self appointed..and there are no clear guidelines, hardly any butchers/places in my area are hmc...but thats just because they havent got 2 our area yet ..and the only hmc approved place in a franchise of some place in east london so the approval came automatically

if a muslim tells me they get halaal meat...and i have no reason to doubt them...why should do?

[ajnabee]

that is appalling! :torture:HFA.

never ever trusted the halal sign only.

[ibn suleman]

which commmittee put the logo on cornflakes?

[ibn suleman]

if a muslim tells me they get halaal meat...and i have no reason to doubt them...why should do?

:up:

[ajnabee]

which commmittee put the logo on cornflakes?


cornflakes? :scratch:

[Hafsah]

which commmittee put the logo on cornflakes?
i think HFA....

we really need to be more organised like the jews...they have one committee which sorts out their kosher stuff..not three+ committees trying to compete against each other :rolleyes:

[ibn suleman]

cornflakes? :scratch:

yup, they have a tiny green halal logo on the side...

i think HFA....

we really need to be more organised like the jews...they have one committee which sorts out their kosher stuff..not three+ committees trying to compete against each other :rolleyes:

yup, one organised one, that does it properly and everyone agrees with...

[Chained_Water]

Erm I don't think its fair to believe whatever HMC say about HFA :S

I just checked their website, read the following page:

http://www.halalfoodauthority.co.uk/main_zibah.htm

That does NOT make out that they don't think bismillah should be read for each animal slaughtered, cuz on that page they say it should and like calculate how many men would be needed where the slaughter is mechanical..

So they are saying that where the slaughter is done by mechanical blades.. there should still be someone present to supervise and say bismillah. :S

That does not mean they view bismillah as unnecessary.. all it means is they certify mechanical slaughter as halaal if bismillah is read.

[Hafsah]

the three committees (sum1 pls tell me how to spell that word :o) should get together and form a single,unified organisation, which ALL muslims are familiar with

[Chained_Water]

the three committees (sum1 pls tell me how to spell that word :o) should get together and form a single,unified organisation, which ALL muslims are familiar with
the words muslims, unified, and organisation? in once sentence? *brain explodes*

:p

[sunrise]

i've only seen the HMC sign never the HFA... which places have the HFA?

[Hafsah]

i've only seen the HMC sign never the HFA... which places have the HFA?

kelloggs...its supposedly the 'official' halal committee in the UK...the 'big' companies..like kelloggs..and others use this one

[Hafsah]

the words muslims, unified, and organisation? in once sentence? *brain explodes*

:p

lol

[Phoenix CG]

I'm sure these are FOR PROFIT organisations, so I don't think unity will happen, like any company, they could give a takeover bid.

[Hafsah]

I'm sure these are FOR PROFIT organisations, so I don't think unity will happen, like any company, they could give a takeover bid.

:(

[ibn suleman]

the three committees (sum1 pls tell me how to spell that word :o) should get together and form a single,unified organisation, which ALL muslims are familiar with

:up:

double m, double t and double e :D

[sunrise]

kelloggs...its supposedly the 'official' halal committee in the UK...the 'big' companies..like kelloggs..and others use this one



oh right... but that's not meat though is it?

[Hafsah]

oh right... but that's not meat though is it?

well its not only meat that needs to be halaal innit

i think when hfa started out they wanted to be like the kosher food ppl...labelling a lot of products...guess its didnt materialise

[sunrise]

well its not only meat that needs to be halaal innit

i think when hfa started out they wanted to be like the kosher food ppl...labelling a lot of products...guess its didnt materialise


yeah lol not just meat, yeah i guess so... we just gotta be careful.. eat home food it's healthier and tastes better:hidban:

[Stylish-Girly]

Some brother on the forum posted that he'll eat aslong as he sees the halal logo, a few days ago we recieved a leaflet on a new pizza takeout place and it said halal but they also sold ham, i dont get how that quite works.. Dont be fooled by the halal green word, everybody uses it

im a hardcore HMC girl yes yes difficult but satisfyin

[sunrise]

Some brother on the forum posted that he'll eat aslong as he sees the halal logo, a few days ago we recieved a leaflet on a new pizza takeout place and it said halal but they also sold ham, i dont get how that quite works.. Dont be fooled by the halal green word, everybody uses it

im a hardcore HMC girl yes yes difficult but satisfyin


we have to be careful though

cause now ppl are using 'halal' as almost a fashion.. it seems just to get muslim customers

some ppl just hang it in their window, ask if it's halal yesss... but they are selling prk products and what have you

:nono: be v careful

[Hafsah]

if someone sells alcohols/pig meat... u dnt need a hmc certificate to tell u the place is dodgy

[Stylish-Girly]

we have to be careful though

cause now ppl are using 'halal' as almost a fashion.. it seems just to get muslim customers

some ppl just hang it in their window, ask if it's halal yesss... but they are selling prk products and what have you

:nono: be v careful

EXACTLY!!! :inlove:

if someone sells alcohols/pig meat... u dnt need a hmc certificate to tell u the place is dodgy

just an extreme example my girl, my point was we have many muslims who use dodgy chiken meat coz it comes cheaper but they dont tell their customers and they dont fear Allah either so dont be fooled by the halal green word

[Hafsah]

well personally i wudnt eat at a cheap as chips chicken and chips place bcoz i dont eat battery farmed chicken...but poor quality meat doesnt necessarily mean its not halal

[~Warda~]

well personally i wudnt eat at a cheap as chips chicken and chips place bcoz i dont eat battery farmed chicken...but poor quality meat doesnt necessarily mean its not halal

But i think 'halal' meat in general is slightly more expencive...(im not 100% sure)

[Hafsah]

But i think 'halal' meat in general is slightly more expencive...(im not 100% sure)

so you are saying all these chicken places use haraam meat?

[~Warda~]

so you are saying all these chicken places use haraam meat?

What do u mean? I dont think that what i meant...sorry im a lil slow today.:o

[Stylish-Girly]

well personally i wudnt eat at a cheap as chips chicken and chips place bcoz i dont eat battery farmed chicken...but poor quality meat doesnt necessarily mean its not halal

:smack: They buy the meat cheap dont mean they'll sell it just as cheap, i didnt say nethin about quality.. Look you've got Warda all confused too now

[sapphire_blue]

I'm sure these are FOR PROFIT organisations, so I don't think unity will happen, like any company, they could give a takeover bid.


As far as I know HMC is a voluntary non profit making organisation.

Who gives Subway the halal go ahead?

[Khuram_2k?]

we buy a lot of frozen chicken and if you buy it Halal its usually more expensive. but i dont trust any of it to be halal even if when it has a halal stamp on it, a lot of frozen is coming from Brazil which kinda makes it even worse.

[sapphire_blue]

we buy a lot of frozen chicken and if you buy it Halal its usually more expensive. but i dont trust any of it to be halal even if when it has a halal stamp on it, a lot of frozen is coming from Brazil which kinda makes it even worse.


If you don't trust it to be halal - you shouldn't eat it then . . . :S

[Phoenix CG]

As far as I know HMC is a voluntary non profit making organisation.

Who gives Subway the halal go ahead?

yeah ur correct.

[Khuram_2k?]

If you don't trust it to be halal - you shouldn't eat it then . . . :S

i dont :zzz:

[Hafsah]

we buy a lot of frozen chicken and if you buy it Halal its usually more expensive. but i dont trust any of it to be halal even if when it has a halal stamp on it, a lot of frozen is coming from Brazil which kinda makes it even worse.

go to a butcher...better quality and cheaper :up:

[Stylish-Girly]

As far as I know HMC is a voluntary non profit making organisation.

Who gives Subway the halal go ahead?

Das true, i was gonna mention it yesterday but wasnt 100%

And a brother workin there was sayin they have loadsa applications just cant process them all coz they dont have the time to perform the checks, v busyy

[Khuram_2k?]

go to a butcher...better quality and cheaper :up:

we sell it to ghore anyways, we dont eat it ourselves.