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Wolfn
25-02-08, 02:16 AM
Assalaam Alikum.

This weekend, I went on a jamaat, and even though I've been on 3 jamaats, this was my worst one and my iman is lower than ever.

All weekend long, all anyone could do was belittle and embarrass me in front of the entire jamaat. We had some scholar visiting, and he had us reciet Surah-Fatiha. He had me reciet the shahada, and he says I couldn't pronounce it wrong, to which he finally asked "do you even know what it translates to"?

And then the leader of the group (the annoying one I talked about on another thread), would say something in Arabic, and then he would point to me and ask "do you know what "murshaff" (or something similar to that) was, and I honestly didn't know, and when I said I didn't, he said to the jamaat "look at our youth. They don't know anything" or something like that, and everyone was looking at me. To make matters worse, he kept doing this all weekend, so I looked like an idiot.

Also, that scholar told me that I couldn't pronounce anything in Surah-Fatiha correctly, and that the brother who converted on Monday knew far more than I did and whenever the convert would say something, everyone was like "mashallah" and smiled and such, because he's catching on quickly and I've been Muslim since May and I don't know that much.

Also, every Muslim is telling me I'm praying wrong. I pray according to internet (when I first converted), and my friend says that's incorrect way to pray. I pray his way, and another friend says that that's the wrong way to pray. I've gone through like 6 different ways to pray, and everyone is saying that their way is correct. I don't know what to follow.



The final thing was when we were on ride back, and someone said that one of Allah's (SWT) Days was like millions years in our time, so I inquired as to whether the Big Bang theory was possible because it says that earth was created in 6 days, so that would be billions of years in our time, which would make sense, and they were like "don't be ridiculous" and "only non-believers would say something like that, and you sound to me like a non-believer" and stuff like that.

I basically wanted to cry today because I purposely failed a ten page test and an 8 page research paper just so I could go this weekend on a jamaat, and this weekend was horrible.




My iman is now lower than ever now, and I'm thinking about not going to Jummah this Friday. I know that purposely missing Jummah is a sin, but I don't want to see the people there. The MSA people ignore me and anyone else I know at the masjid went on the jamaat this weekend and didn't help me at all.


I just want to practice Islam by myself, so it's just me and Allah (SWT). No one has managed to help me at all since I've converted. I've had to learn everything by myself until recently, and now everyone is saying what I learned is wrong. If I've been praying wrong all this time, then that means every prayer that I've done didn't count, despite the fact that I hadn't missed one (except for once when my power went out and my alarm didn't go off for Fajr).





But yeah, I'm just going to distance myself from the Muslim community. I'm still a Muslim and my last words will be :lailah: , but other than 2 Muslims I know, no one is either kind to me or helps me with Islam. Despite Islam being the largest family, I'm still alone.

RashidD
25-02-08, 02:40 AM
:salams bro,

Firstly, understand that our Deen has principles. Example: You prayed and perhaps you didn't know exactly how to pray but you did your best and followed what you were taught... This doesn't mean your prayers were invalid. For example you may not have recited a certain thing, which may only be sunnah and not fard/ waajib so the prayer is still accepted.

Secondly: Differences of opinion in our Deen do exist. There are 4 main schools of Islamic law and they may have differences based on how they interpret the texts (Qur'an and Hadith) For example, some may put their hands below the navel (hanafi school) whereas we put our hands above the navel (Shafi'i school) but the principle of the matter is that as long as both opinions have evidence (i.e. Qur'an and Hadith) then both can be done. The Salaat of both people are valid.

Please don't distance yourself from the muslim community. My advice would be to go to the Masjid and find the imam. Sit with him and ask whether you can arrange some tuition on Islam and some basic classes. If he suggests you study a book then i would highly recommend sitting with him and studying Bulugh al-Maram. It is a book of hadith collected on topics like wudhu, prayer, funerals etc and so you would learn the evidences as to how to practise the Deen.

But please don't isolate yourself, display a positive attitude towards learning and InshaALLAH the 'ulemaa would love to have you as a student.
I have to go now, but InshaALLAH i'll write more later...

Rosalie-Beauty
25-02-08, 02:50 AM
aww....I'm so sorry. It sucks that you have loser friends (no offense to them) Personally I think the reason they acted that way to you is because your a relativley new Muslim. They wanted to show you that they knew more than you and the only way to do that was to put you down (which indicates that they dont know what they're talking about) They had a need to feel superior and you happened to be a conveneint scapgoat.

As to praying, I dont think you're doing it wrong. Have you ever heard of Mashabs? They are like different sects of Islamic thinking based on scholars. Each one has a slightly different way of doing some things, like praying for example. They are all right though and one is not better than the other. So I think you may have been following a different Mashab then them.

Inshallah Allah will make it easier, after all this can just be a test and Allah only tests those he loves. I once heard a hadith that near Qiyammah Allah will replace those faulty Muslims with new ones and they will be all the more better. :up:

peace2u
25-02-08, 02:55 AM
Goodness gracious :eek: who were these people and who was the scholar?? Not everyone is a daiy, or know how to be one, so don't be discourage by the actions of those people. You will find people like that everywhere. Trust me, Allah (swt) will deal with them and the way you were treated. But isolating yourself will not solve your problem. you still need someone to help you understand things about the quran and sunnah. Reading books on your own will do good for only a short while. Do you trust your Imam? if so, maybe you can sit with him. Son't let people like that bring your iman down, allah (swt) is your lord. I hope you feel better soon and forget your experience with those people. Insha Allah, stay strong :)

Peace

Sulaiman Harun
25-02-08, 03:13 AM
:start:

:salams

:alhumdull

And the slaves of the Most Beneficent (Allah) are those who walk on the earth in humility and sedateness, and when the foolish address them (with bad words) they reply back with mild words of gentleness.
{Noble Qur'an 25:63}

The Prophet :saw: said, "Solitude is far better than bad company and good company is far better than solitude. To say something good, is better than to remain silent but remaining silent is far better than saying something evil."

The Prophet :saw: said, "The one who remained silent, has saved himself."

So it's better to ignore and remain silent in such occasions.

Secondly, you know that your native tongue (English) which is very much different than Arabic and it will take you time to pronounce it properly. Look at me, I speak urdu which very much closer to Arabic than English, in fact, it is made up of Arabic, still I face difficulties so they must understand this important fact.

As for Salah, there are some differences in some actions. I mean there were times at which Prophet :saw: raised up his hands for TAKBEER in Salah and sometimes he :saw: didn't. Sometimes he raised them up to the level of shoulders whilst sometimes to the level of earlobes. No one can say that this way is wrong or that way is wrong since we have ahadith that are on acceptable level.

.: Anna :.
25-02-08, 06:18 AM
nooo brother dnt distance urself from them and stop going to jumuah. the way they treated u was really wrong, but don't let that make u suffer more as a result by stopping jumuah and stopping contact with muslim community. insha allah u just persist in practising everything, and if they want to say something against u then they will pay for that in aakhira, but insha allah whatever they do which is wrong to you, you try to do good to them, u will be the better person and gaining alot of hasanat while it might also eventually make them feel ashamed how they treated u and they would repent for that and realise their mistake. dont feel like ur stupid and dont know anything, this is not true because masha allah even from on here we hav seen how much u have learned and progressed. it is only a short time which u became muslim and u have come very far. noone knows everything and even those who are muslims since 5 yrs, 10 yrs, or born as muslims.. there are many questions if they are asked, they wont know it. and people shouldnt b ashamed to say i dont know, bc if they dont know then they shudnt just make up an answer and insha allah then they can learn it. even the sahabas u know when rasoolallah :saw: used to ask them something, they wouldnt know everything and answer everything they mainly used to just say allah and his messenger know best.. then rasoolallah :saw: would explain them. u dnt always have to know everything so dnt feel bad bro

prashantnew
25-02-08, 08:15 AM
Stay strong my brother, inshallah you can learn from this, and when your older inshallah, you'll be more understanding and loving to the youth and new Muslims and know how to treat and respect them. Keep on striving and don't let the devil side track you.

Al-Farooq
25-02-08, 08:29 AM
Was this the tablighi jammat? Goodness me, it must be very different in America, because tablighi's over here are known for their helpfulness, patience and general good manners. I'm quite shocked, to be frank.

Do you go to the masjid at other times, bro', or just for jum'ah? Masjids, in my limited experience, are a lot quieter, on other days and other prayer times. Perhaps you could try going more regularly, at different times and I'm sure this would help you meet some decent brothers, because there are plenty of them out there.

I've found the brothers that attend masjid all the time, rather than just for jum'ah, to be a lot more knowledgeable, willing to help and accepting of reverts....well, certainly at my masjid, anyway.

Don't let one bad experience push you away, bro', that won't help you at all.

Some people are just idiots, I'm afraid. But for every idiot, there are 10 masha'Allah helpful and friendly brothers. If you hide yourself way, you'll never find them.

One final thing, explain to them, in no uncertain terms, how they made you feel. You will be able to judge a lot from their reaction. Be polite and if they don't show remorse, subhan'Allah they should be ashamed of themselves.

vorsprung
25-02-08, 08:50 AM
Wolfn

Heres an idea, why not sample the various jamaati groups, they have have their little cliques and circle of friends. Not that theres anything wrong with that, its just some people prefer to hang around with people they'r comfy with.

This way you get to see which group is beneficial and which is not. -

Same with the scholars, find one that's softer, understanding and more familiar with reverts. Then perhaps ask him to take you under his wing.

At least this allows you to get lessons and information from one reliable source instead of 10 guys giving 10 different conflicting results.

eg. Later, if someone finds a fault with your salaah, politely say - so and so taught me that this is the correct way.

Personally i'm extra careful around reverts, try my utmost not to offend and make them feel out of place - which at times is a fault as it comes across the wrong way :( -