Walkers Crisps Contain Traces of Alcohol

[muslima_89]

Furious Muslims have called for a boycott of many types of Walkers crisps after it emerged that certain varieties contain trace elements of alcohol.

Some crisp types use minute amounts of alcohol as a chemical agent to extract certain flavours.

The report in Asian Newspaper Eastern Eye, highlights concerns raised by shopkeeper Besharat Rehman, who owns a halal supermarket in Bradford, West Yorkshire.

Mr Rehman told the paper: “A customer informed us that Sensations Thai Sweet Chilli, Doritos Chilli Heat Wave and Quavers Cheese are not on Walkers' alcohol-free list. Our suppliers were unaware of this.

"Even if it is a trace amount of alcohol, Walkers should make it clear on the packaging so that the customer can make an informed choice.

"I feel frustrated and angry. I have let my customers down simply because such a big company like Walkers is not sensitive to Muslim needs.

"Many of them were my daughter's favourite crisps. As soon as I found out about the alcohol in them, I called home to ask my wife to throw out all the packets.”

Shuja Shafi, who chairs the food standards committee of the Muslim Council of Britain, said that he intended to investigate. "Certainly we would find it very offensive to have eaten food with alcohol."

Masood Khawaja, of the Halal Food Authority, said that this was not the first time the issue had been raised with Walkers.

"They should have looked into the matter and solved it instead of hiding behind labelling regulations. It does not matter what percentage of alcohol is involved.

"Besides Muslims, there are a lot of teetotal people who would not like to consume alcohol in any form. As far as possible we try and lobby for halal symbols on popular products like Kellogg's cereals.

But we have always told Muslims to check the contents list even if a product is marked suitable for vegetarians. But to not mention it on the packaging is unfair.”

However, a spokesperson for Walkers told the Times that there was nothing the firm could do about listing the traces of alcohol in some of their products.

She said: "There is not enough room on the packaging to list things beyond allergy-causing ingredients that can make people ill.

"A minimal amount of alcohol is used to extract the flavour of some crisps."

Source:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

Times: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/arti...in_page_id=1770

Apparently they didnt mention that traces of alcohol was present in the crisp was because they
DIDNT hav enough space on the packaging :(

Please inform other muslims inshAllah

Jazakallah khair.

[hkrespect]

asalamu alaikum wr

so are they haraam?

or is it like bread?

ws

[Riceball]

A friend asked me a while ago if food cooked with alcohol was haram, I instantly replied 'it is!!!', but then he went to explain that alcohol evaporates, and only the flavour is left, so you cannot get drunk when you eat it. I still think its haram, but does anyone know the fatwa for this?

[Treasured Soul]

asalamu alaikum wr

so are they haraam?

or is it like bread?

ws

bread has alcohol too :eek:

what am i gonna eat :(

[zaki]

A friend asked me a while ago if food cooked with alcohol was haram, I instantly replied 'it is!!!', but then he went to explain that alcohol evaporates, and only the flavour is left, so you cannot get drunk when you eat it. I still think its haram, but does anyone know the fatwa for this?

I'd rather stay away from the alcohol altogether, whether its used in food or else where, its haram altogether, we shouldn't even buy the thing!

[Riceball]

I'd rather stay away from the alcohol altogether, whether its used in food or else where, its haram altogether, we shouldn't even buy the thing!

well said. Jazak-allah alf khair brother.

[Phoenix CG]

:@ I flipping liked that flavour, thai sweet chilli thing

[Shaolin's-Finest]

http://gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=191

A.F. - Alcohol Flavourings
A.R. - Inlcusion of Animal Rennet

Rullings according to hanafi fiqh

[muslimma]

:(

[1 Level]

please dont say worcester sauce and prawn cocktail flavour walkers are haraa, aswell :(

[Stylish-Girly]

Walkers walkers walkers :boom: WALKERS

Not havin nuf space on the packagin sounds like a dumb excuse

A friend asked me a while ago if food cooked with alcohol was haram, I instantly replied 'it is!!!', but then he went to explain that alcohol evaporates, and only the flavour is left, so you cannot get drunk when you eat it. I still think its haram, but does anyone know the fatwa for this?

Been told a similar thing about fragrances containin alcohol

[Ignatius F. Peace]

I don't think the intention is to get anyone drunk on potato chips ... I would be more worried about the preservatives and artificial flavors, etc.

[Dappodan1]

At last I have an excuse to kick the Thai Chilly habit, The bags were way too big and way to moreish, I used to munch the whole bag late at night in front of the TV this will be stop me eating junk.

[Mace]

bread has alcohol too :eek:

what am i gonna eat :(

I think the question is where do you draw the line. Breads have trace amounts of alcohol in them.

So do fruits, fruit juices, and vinegars.

[ana_mujahid]

i aint gona read this cuz i like walkers :(

[Treasured Soul]

i aint gona read this cuz i like walkers :(

but already have sis :( just like i have :( :(

[Treasured Soul]

I think the question is where do you draw the line. Breads have trace amounts of alcohol in them.

So do fruits, fruit juices, and vinegars.

hmmm ... fruits too? Its not like anyones tampered with the fruits :confused:

i wonder what the ruling is? cuz i know sometimes you can add alcohol to dishes but by the time you have the end product, the alcohol has undergone chemical changes and therefor not an alcohol anymore.

[Mace]

hmmm ... fruits too? Its not like anyones tampered with the fruits :confused:


It's not tampering. It's just that alcohol is a natural occurring substance. And it doesn't all occur at once in fermentation. As a fruit gets ripe, a very tiny amount of alcohol is already present.

But it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount.

But so is this case of alcohol in these crisps.



i wonder what the ruling is? cuz i know sometimes you can add alcohol to dishes but by the time you have the end product, the alcohol has undergone chemical changes and therefor not an alcohol anymore.

It's not a chemical change, really. It's just evaporation. But the evaporation is probably not 100% complete. So there could still be a trace amount.

And in baked goods even if the alcohol is hot enough, it doesn't necessarily all escape into the atmosphere. Some of it will obviously condense again when it cools.

But again, the question is whether a trace amount is haram. Because if it is, then these potato chips probably have far less alcohol than a normal glass of fruit juice.

[Treasured Soul]

It's not tampering. It's just that alcohol is a natural occurring substance. And it doesn't all occur at once in fermentation. As a fruit gets ripe, a very tiny amount of alcohol is already present.

But it's a tiny, tiny, tiny amount.

But so is this case of alcohol in these crisps.



It's not a chemical change, really. It's just evaporation. But the evaporation is probably not 100% complete. So there could still be a trace amount.

And in baked goods even if the alcohol is hot enough, it doesn't necessarily all escape into the atmosphere. Some of it will obviously condense again when it cools.

But again, the question is whether a trace amount is haram. Because if it is, then these potato chips probably have far less alcohol than a normal glass of fruit juice.


Oh boy ... This doesnt get easier, does it?

well fruit/fruit juices ... if its natural occuring, as it is in the case of fruit but if also in fruit juices, then they are okay, I would assume.

as for adding alcohol and then perhaps having trace amounts afterwards ... :confused:

same goes for perfumes ... by spraying them, its not as though we will get drunk even if we absorb a little

[~Imaan~]

:mad::mad: :torture:

i ate them today!!!!! i cant believe i let alcohol in me!!! Astaghfirullah!!

if this is true, BOYCOTT WALKERS!

[Mace]

well fruit/fruit juices ... if its natural occuring, as it is in the case of fruit but if also in fruit juices, then they are okay, I would assume.


To me personally, that's a reasonable place to draw the line also. If the alcohol occurs naturally in trace amounts, then it's fine. If it's because someone added it, then it's not.

But I myself could never get an imam or shaykh who understood chemistry to actually confirm that. I always would get an answer like "Astaghfirullah! Allah would never make alcohol in nature, you must be mistaken" or "If you don't know, it's OK" or something like that.

[Treasured Soul]

"Astaghfirullah! Allah would never make alcohol in nature, you must be mistaken" or "If you don't know, it's OK" or something like that.

:rotfl:

:rolleyes:

[Mace]

:rotfl:

:rolleyes:

Well, before anyone thinks I'm poking fun at shayks, this is an issue with religious authorities in all religions. Very often they are people who have spent their whole lives studying scripture, but not necessarily other subjects. So it's sometimes hard for them to put things in context.

For example I'm struggling still trying to put together a educational finance scheme for Muslims, but I can't find a religious scholar who can understand the finance and economics side of it. But I"m still trying.

[Treasured Soul]

Sorry bro ... i didnt think you were making fun of them or anything ... it was me who just found that line funny ...

we all know alcohol can be derived from grapes ... so why the 'Astaghfirullah! Allah would never make alcohol in nature' line.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone :o

[Khuram_2k?]

gave up on crisps a long time ago. not good for you anyway.
remember this?

http://www.enviroblog.org/whatgoesintoyou.jpg

[ana_mujahid]

but already have sis :( just like i have :( :(

what if this is a lie :confused:

treasured soul im a brother not a sister :)

[MWarrior]

Sorry bro ... i didnt think you were making fun of them or anything ... it was me who just found that line funny ...

we all know alcohol can be derived from grapes ... so why the 'Astaghfirullah! Allah would never make alcohol in nature' line.

I'm sorry if I offended anyone :o
Just incase you never knew "mace" is an apostate, a murtad. He claims to have been a muslim before but not anymore...He is basically the worse of the worst.

anyways so you cant refer to him as "bro".

[muslimma]

narrated ab-nu'man bin bashir ra i heard allahs messenger :saw: saying: both legal and illegal things are evident but in between them there are doubtful (unclear) things, and most of the people have no knowledge about them. so whosoever saves himself from these doubtful things , he saves his religion and his honour.

-Bukhari

[woundedtiger]

Aslam-0-alikum
I am not like someone who say that i know Islam very well. Or i can teach..I just have a thought and i want to share with you. Above all I want you to make me correct if i am wrong.
I just read this news on this page
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article3412749.ece
Please go and have a look and also read the comments.
Now why alcohol is hram?
It is because if u drink it then you don’t have control over your mind and you start doing stupid things.....etc etc which in the end make your life a hell ...as far as I know according to Islam.
Now we can extract a logical answer that why alcohol is hram.
The next thing which we know that is
“innamal aa'malu binneeyaat....”
“Actions are based solely on intentions”
• W e does have alcohol in medicines.
• Red wine is the best medicine for heart disease.
• 90 % of throat medicines have alcohol.
Now as I said above it depends on ur intentions. Now if you straight way start drinking alcohol with the intensions of having a entertainment or you can say make your life enjoyable .......
then its wrong..thats why we are ordered to stop ..but if we are drinking for a good reason then its not wrong....
If we eat walker crisps...and then we are still in our mind... i mean we are not like drunk...or we are still in our good senses does this allow us from above logical answer that we can still eat walkers?
I want to clear it again that i am not on either side..I am just asking that the why i am thinking is wrong or right...
Thanks for reading and Thanks a lot if you really understand what i want to ask don’t start saying my qufar or something...

[Mace]

• Red wine is the best medicine for heart disease.


Just a small correction here. The best "medicine" for the prevention of heart disease is proper diet and exercise. Nothing else comes close.

And the benefits that you get from a few glasses of red wine a week are also available from grape juice.

The point is there is no harm in avoiding wine altogether if you believe God doesn't want you to drink wine. It's not going to make you more susceptible to heart disease.

[NightStar]

I don't think this news will be enough to make me quit Walkers crisps. It is not as if i could get drunk eating it.

[Kasim2k7]

What about lucozade? Is it haram?

[dude001]

http://gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=191

A.F. - Alcohol Flavourings
A.R. - Inlcusion of Animal Rennet

Rullings according to hanafi fiqh

Didnt anyone read the link.

You're all going crazy like the dilymail readers over something mr khan from the local corner shop has said.

Ulama have said it is ok.

[Treasured Soul]

what if this is a lie :confused:

treasured soul im a brother not a sister :)

oops .. sorry bro :o

[Ignatius F. Peace]

just make your own damn crisps ... problem solved ...

[shez]

Aslam-0-alikum
Now why alcohol is hram?
It is because if u drink it then you don’t have control over your mind and you start doing stupid things.....etc etc which in the end make your life a hell ...as far as I know according to Islam.
Now we can extract a logical answer that why alcohol is hram.
The next thing which we know that is
“innamal aa'malu binneeyaat....”
“Actions are based solely on intentions”
• W e does have alcohol in medicines.
• Red wine is the best medicine for heart disease.
• 90 % of throat medicines have alcohol.
Now as I said above it depends on ur intentions. Now if you straight way start drinking alcohol with the intensions of having a entertainment or you can say make your life enjoyable .......
then its wrong..thats why we are ordered to stop ..but if we are drinking for a good reason then its not wrong....
If we eat walker crisps...and then we are still in our mind... i mean we are not like drunk...or we are still in our good senses does this allow us from above logical answer that we can still eat walkers?
I want to clear it again that i am not on either side..I am just asking that the why i am thinking is wrong or right...
Thanks for reading and Thanks a lot if you really understand what i want to ask don’t start saying my qufar or something...

just like to clarify that when the grapes get to that stage (or any fruit) that they have alcohol in it (ie when they are too ripened) we are not allowed to eat that fruit.
On the other hand when they are more ripened we get a product called vinegar which is NOTHING like alochol thus this is allowed.

Secondly it doesnt matter how alcohol is included, it is still haraam. Except for medicinal purposes as that is saving life. however you cannot say the same for when you have 0.001% alcohol present in crisp as we all know crisps are junk food and is anything but saving life.

By your definition if i drink a little bit of alcohol it will be ok if my intention is to not "socialise" but to just quench my thirst? but again that is not true since i can just as easily drink water/coke etc.

Regarding wine being best medicine, we keep hearing that soem doctors say its good to drink wine but others dont agree same with some say tea is good and others say it isnt!

Now your last statement i will again say fair enough we cant get drunk on walkers crisp but then again if we just have sip of alcohol each day (or every few hours) we will not get drunk so is that acceptable as well?

If we start eating alocholic things pretty soon we will have the mentality that it is ok to drink alcohol as we are eating things with alcohol.

BOTTOM line is this:
1. God has strictly forbidden us to take alcohol
2. Hadeeth of Prophet that says: "in the future my ummah will change the name of an illegal thing just to legalise it"! (and this is happening in Pakistan, there you have to give rishwat (bribe) but the people there call it "chai pani" (a gift))!

[dour]

just like to clarify that when the grapes get to that stage (or any fruit) that they have alcohol in it (ie when they are too ripened) we are not allowed to eat that fruit.
On the other hand when they are more ripened we get a product called vinegar which is NOTHING like alochol thus this is allowed.

Secondly it doesnt matter how alcohol is included, it is still haraam. Except for medicinal purposes as that is saving life. however you cannot say the same for when you have 0.001% alcohol present in crisp as we all know crisps are junk food and is anything but saving life.

By your definition if i drink a little bit of alcohol it will be ok if my intention is to not "socialise" but to just quench my thirst? but again that is not true since i can just as easily drink water/coke etc.

Regarding wine being best medicine, we keep hearing that soem doctors say its good to drink wine but others dont agree same with some say tea is good and others say it isnt!

Now your last statement i will again say fair enough we cant get drunk on walkers crisp but then again if we just have sip of alcohol each day (or every few hours) we will not get drunk so is that acceptable as well?

If we start eating alocholic things pretty soon we will have the mentality that it is ok to drink alcohol as we are eating things with alcohol.

BOTTOM line is this:
1. God has strictly forbidden us to take alcohol
2. Hadeeth of Prophet that says: "in the future my ummah will change the name of an illegal thing just to legalise it"! (and this is happening in Pakistan, there you have to give rishwat (bribe) but the people there call it "chai pani" (a gift))!

Milk, furit, juice, bread have natural alcohol in them. Many things do.

[dour]

As a mater of fact, our own bodies produce trace amounts of alcohol every day.

[The Deen]

Q: Asslamaoalikum,

Please check out this article and advise -

Muslims shocked to learn that crisps contain alcohol - Times Online - http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/life_and_style/food_and_drink/article3412749.ece

JazakAllah Khair

_______________________________________
A

In the Name of Allah, the Inspirer of Truth.
Assalamu Alaikum Warahmatullahi Wabarakatuh

http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=215

The Foodguide follows the opinion of major contemporary Hanafi scholars including the venerable Mufti Yusuf Sacha of the UK (highly acclaimed foods expert) and Mufti Ashraf Usmani of Pakistan. The fatwa in our times is that synthetic alcohols (and all alcohol not considered 'khamr') in foods and otherwise is pure (tahir), and permitted to use and consume on the conditions that:

(a) it is not used as an intoxicant;
(b) it is not used as intoxicants as used (i.e. for alcoholic consumption, even a little);
(c) it is not used in an amount that intoxicates;
(d) it is not used in vain (lahw).
Courtesy: Shaykh Faraz Rabbani

This is the view propounded by the Foodguide service and it is of sound Hanafi scholarship. Nevertheless, if you are a follower of a Maz-hab (school of thought) apart from the Hanafi School or you prefer to refrain from such products then that is fine too. We will try to facilitate such persons by indicating which products are affected on this web-site as far as possible.

The use of alcoholic flavourings in the food industry is quite widespread, whilst we at the Foodguide would prefer for it not to be used, nonetheless according to Jurisprudential rulings, the use of alcohol flavourings are not impermissible. For a start, the alcohol dissipates during the manufacturing process.

We are a little confused as to why Walker's according to this news article has been pinpointed for use of alcoholic flavourings by certain organisations, when it is such a widespread process in the food industry.

Walker's has been working with the Foodguide for many years now, and continue to do so. On the record, we clearly state that we dont receive a dime from Walker's for the decisions we make on their products. Our service is to help the Muslim Community, and in turn helps the companies to be open with the public.

The Foodguide is a fully independent, 'Ulama operated non-profit service.

GMWA Foodguide WALKER's
http://www.gmwa.org.uk/foodguide2/index.php?page=viewquestion&id=191

Kindly note that Walker's will be providing us an updated list very soon. This is in the pipework, as it were.

And Allah knows Best
Wa Alaykumussalaam Wa Rahmatullahi Wa Barakatuh
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[BornArtist]

May Allah swt protect us from Haraam :(

thats not fair they should have write it on the pack :(