Are you a Tablighi?

[Abu Mus'ab]

:salams

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Okay so here's the deal, i'm busy with some research and needed some stats, so vote properly and honestly, jokers are not wanted, if you can't vote honestly then dont bother opening the thread, because i don't want my statistics to be messed because of immature people.

Now on to the topic, the question is, are you a tablighi? (i.e. are you part of the tabligh jamaat - so all you smart alecks can save your comments) it doesn't matter if you're a "permanent" member or not.

This thread is not for arguing or debates, if you want to argue then do it elsewhere.

That's all, now go on and vote, there's nothing to be shy about.

:jkk:

[MMS]

eemaan and jihaan are both part of dawat-e-islami for like reasons *aherm*

does that count? :outta:

[Fitnah Bolice]

:wswrwb:

There should be an option for 'was formerly, not anymore'

I think most people at one time or another have been on jamaat even if they don't align themselves to the movement at present.

[Abu Mus'ab]

:wswrwb:

There should be an option for 'was formerly, not anymore'

I think most people at one time or another have been on jamaat even if they don't align themselves to the movement at present.
:wswrwb:

i knew i was missing something, but we'll just have to make do with what there is.

[Wolfn]

What's tablighi jamaat?

I have a friend who is.

[(*_Hamzah]

Sorry, I don’t have a Tablighi membership card, and there is no need to hand in your letter of resignation, because you can come, and go when you please, TJ is a method of getting people to be motivated and practise Islam



I finally repeat that I know of some of the most significant preservation of the Deen has come form the Tabllighi Jamaat. And may Allah reward the righteous.

[Omar Mukhtar]

Are you Abu Mus'ab?

[RashidD]

Tough question... I believe tabligh has good in it, but certain members may mess it up. I haven't been on Jamaat in over a year now, but i'd like to go if i can get some free time InshaALLAH... What does that make me?

[aboosait]

:wswrwb:

There should be an option for 'was formerly, not anymore'

I think most people at one time or another have been on jamaat even if they don't align themselves to the movement at present.

I agree with you.

[UniQue_BeDouin]

I'm A Tablighi! Yes allah gives heedayah but i believe allah gave my heedayah and my families heedayah through these people barak allah feeyon and the whole Ummah & Dounia!!!!!!! Alhamdulilah

[fisabilllillah]

whats a tablighi?:o
ive heard the name before and have a vague idea.....

[RashidD]

What utter rubbish.

[MMS]

i thought age was supposed to bring wisdom :(

[Qalqilya]

Assalamualaikum

If Tablighi is meant to stand for people who call to the religion of Allah, and in other words, are Da'iys, then Alhamdulilah, I hope to be of them.

[Abu Mus'ab]

you all are so predictable.

[miss-islamic]

My bros are in it. Can women be tablighis too?

[RashidD]

My bros are in it. Can women be tablighis too?

Yes, they can. Over here in SL i think there's women's thaleem.

[Hamza Momand]

i love tabligh but not a permanent member.
i like the way Ikhwan almuslimeen worked for Islam and still are.

Proud to be ikhwan.

[Arsalan]

Iam a bit of everything really, dunno where i will end up, mayby it will alone in my room counting my beeds and wallowing in my souless life, mayby it will be eating a biryanni and coke after some sufi dancing at the local place, and laughing and joking , mayby ....

[Al-Farooq]

Well, I've been on jamaat a couple of times, spend most my time with tablighi brothers and attend a masjid run by the TJ's.....but I wouldn't describe myself as a member, exactly, despite the fact I voted "yes"..

That said, I really admire the selfless work they do for the deen and fully intend to do a 40-day jamaat, when time allows insha'Allah.

[Cartman]

no

(I edited the rest of your post since it may be perceived as being rude to those who work in such an organization including certain Ulema who advocate this method.

I trust you will understand.

Jazkallah Khair Sidi and May Allah grant us Jannatul Farodus.)


Ameen.

[Baybars]

Yes, but I haven't been active in a long time. No matter what though, I'll always be a Tablighi.

[UniQue_BeDouin]

whats a tablighi?:o
ive heard the name before and have a vague idea.....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablighi_Jamaat

Here's a nice little summary =]

[Umm_Hanzalah]

I'm not a tablighi for various reasons...but the tablighis have good manners...:up:

[aboosait]

I'm not a tablighi for various reasons...but the tablighis have good manners...:up:

:jkk:

Could you elaborate with some examples of "good manners" you found in them?

:salams

[Umm_Hanzalah]

Just in their manners of speaking, they don't tend to look down on people as some other Muslims might.....they seem much more friendly and mature in their approach to people. This is general by the way.

Although I was with a group other than tablighi once upon a time, I found this group's manners to be appalling. I've never been a tablighi (don't plan to), but I find them to have good manners.

[aboosait]

Just in their manners of speaking, they don't tend to look down on people as some other Muslims might.....they seem much more friendly and mature in their approach to people. This is general by the way...........

:salams

:jkk:

Gentleness of speech is indeed a religious virtue in Islam and rudeness is a sin.

The Quran declares:

Speak fair to the People. (II: 83)

We have it from the Prophet that:

“To speak politely is piety and a kind of charity.”

“To indulge in intemperate language and in harsh behaviour is to perpetrate an injustice and the home of injustice is Hell.”

“Rudeness in speech is hypocrisy (i.e., the quality of a hypocrite).”

Good manners and noble qualities of mind and character enjoy a place of crucial importance in the structure of Islamic teaching. Moral evolution and uplift was one of the main objects for which the sacred Prophet was raised up. The Prophet himself has said:

“I have been sent down by God to teach moral virtues and to evolve them to highest perfection.”

Though in the Quran and the Sunnah we are taught to cultivate all good and noble moral and social qualities and to avoid everything that is mean or wicked, the following virtues are more important and without which no one can hope to be a good Muslim and a true believer. Please note that manners of speaking is one such virtue.

Truthfulness

Trustworthiness

Justice

Tenderness

Self- Restraint

Gentleness of Speech

Humility

Courage and Fortitude

Sincerity

The commands of Allah and the Words of the Prophet Sallallahu Alaihi Wasallam pertaining to each of the above virtues can be read at the following URL:

http://www.al-islam.edu.pk/whatisislam/goodmaner.htm

[FadlUH]

:salams

I have been on jama'at once but am not a Tablighi. I do admire their efforts at spreading the deen though.

[KeeKee]

my dads one of hafidh patels right hand men :D i love tabligh....come from a strict TJ family but researched long & hard on it and i LOVE it.

[Medievalist]

Hafiz PatelJi **inlove**

[KeeKee]

yeah :inlove: so old yet he travels non-stop subhanAllah, doing the work of dawah.
BTW Shaikhul hadeeth maulana muhammad zakarias (rahimahulla) son Maulana Talha is here!

[attalib84]

He lives in the U.K.? or just visiting?

[Medievalist]

He lives in the U.K.? or just visiting?

visiting.

[Saadet]

I think the poll option 'No' should have an exclaimation mark.. (possibly followed by the words 'do I look like a pervert or something..?)

[Wolfn]

When I was at my university, I would go on a jamaat every month.

[perfectpearl]

nope...dont want my parents to worry for 40 days - why 40... i dunno maybe ask umm well you cant find it in a strong hadith.

[truepath]

I have done this 'bidah' quite a few times. Some times 40 days sometimes even one or 2 days more...

Even done the biggest 'bidah' of 4 months in 2003...

Insha'Allah will continue to do so when ever I get the opportunity all my life.

[myself]

:wswrwb:

There should be an option for 'was formerly, not anymore'

I think most people at one time or another have been on jamaat even if they don't align themselves to the movement at present.

I agree too...:).

[Abu Mus'ab]

my dads one of hafidh patels right hand men :D i love tabligh....come from a strict TJ family but researched long & hard on it and i LOVE it.
who is hafidh patel? :scratch:

[KeeKee]

Hafidh Patel is one of the Ameers of Tabligh in the Uk-Of Dewsbury Tablighi Markaz. MashAllah his qurbani for the work dawah is phenomenal.

[RashidD]

Where's med? Didn't he have proof that Abu Hurayrah (RA) shaved mustache? There are many TJers who keep it, it is considered sunnah or closer to sunnah in Shafi'i madhab.

[perfectpearl]

Where's med? Didn't he have proof that Abu Hurayrah (RA) shaved mustache? There are many TJers who keep it, it is considered sunnah or closer to sunnah in Shafi'i madhab.

yup mustache is okay..its the beard thats not okay.

[Saadet]

Where's med? Didn't he have proof that Abu Hurayrah (RA) shaved mustache? There are many TJers who keep it, it is considered sunnah or closer to sunnah in Shafi'i madhab.

The only hadith I have ever read on the subject was 'Grow your beard and trim your moustache'. It seems that many people these days don't know the different between trim and shave. They are two seperate things.

[zaitoon]

my dads one of hafidh patels right hand men :D i love tabligh....come from a strict TJ family but researched long & hard on it and i LOVE it.

whats your dads name ?

[perfectpearl]

The only hadith I have ever read on the subject was 'Grow your beard and trim your moustache'. It seems that many people these days don't know the different between trim and shave. They are two seperate things.

it looks really funny anyway when you have beard and no mustache

[zaitoon]

it looks really funny anyway when you have beard and no mustache

It looks even more funnier moustache and no beard...

[Abu 'Abdullaah]

The only hadith I have ever read on the subject was 'Grow your beard and trim your moustache'. It seems that many people these days don't know the different between trim and shave. They are two seperate things.Depends how you look at it. Shaving could simply mean trimming it down to the skin. On the other hand, if you're talking about trimming, at which point to you start to trim i.e. how long does the 'tache have to be before you cut it back?

[truepath]

it looks really funny anyway when you have beard and no mustache

You display a perfect example of salaf when you find sunnah of prophet 'funny' and side a loser who mocks the sunnah of rasool and his sahaba.

Demonstration of jahaalah at its best yet claiming to be from among the righteous people and on the ninth cloud.

If you are ignorant of a subject then atleast try to investigate and find out more about the issue instead of siding a prick who mocks the sunnah. For you dont even know what you are doing cuz of your senseless hatred towards a certain group of people who has done no harm to you or anyone like you, neither phyisically nor financially or even spiritually.

[KeeKee]

well said Truepath.

http://www.islam.tc/beard/beard.html

EDIT: sorry zaitoon i would rather not post any names on a public forum.

[KeeKee]

nope...dont want my parents to worry for 40 days - why 40... i dunno maybe ask umm well you cant find it in a strong hadith.

maybe you'd be interested in reading the thread i posted on chillah (going out for 40 days).
-:)

[zaitoon]

well said Truepath.

http://www.islam.tc/beard/beard.html

EDIT: sorry zaitoon i would rather not post any names on a public forum.

No problem ,my bad for asking here anyway .

[perfectpearl]

You display a perfect example of salaf when you find sunnah of prophet 'funny' and side a loser who mocks the sunnah of rasool and his sahaba.

Demonstration of jahaalah at its best yet claiming to be from among the righteous people and on the ninth cloud.

If you are ignorant of a subject then atleast try to investigate and find out more about the issue instead of siding a prick who mocks the sunnah. For you dont even know what you are doing cuz of your senseless hatred towards a certain group of people who has done no harm to you or anyone like you, neither phyisically nor financially or even spiritually.

Lol this this guy :wacko: did i ever ever say it has to do with religion! I am guessing you also have a beard with no mustache....- ITS MY OPINION and I say it LOOKS BAD! You dont have to get all sufi over me. Its my preference - live with it.

[perfectpearl]

maybe you'd be interested in reading the thread i posted on chillah (going out for 40 days).
-:)

na

[KeeKee]

zaitoon; no worries!

perfectpearl- if you read it, at least you can understand just why the ulama stress on chillah. i mean, earlier on in this thread you were saying theres no evidence or whatever in hadith so.....
anyway :up:

[truepath]

Lol this this guy :wacko: did i ever ever say it has to do with religion! I am guessing you also have a beard with no mustache....- ITS MY OPINION and I say it LOOKS BAD! You dont have to get all sufi over me. Its my preference - live with it.

The traits of a jaahil and a fool is, when truth is spoken to them, rather than respecting the truth they attach themselves to their whimsical desires by labeling anything and everything as "sufi" even when it is HAQQ.

You really think I got peed off cuz I practice it? Allah is my witness, certainly not, this is nothing compared to what I have faced and have gone thru in my real life..... I dont give a ****e to what people say but I DO get peed of when disbelievers and ignorant believers mock the sunnah of prophet. Especially such fools who think they are on the righteous path but at the same time display highest form of jahaalah and when they are corrected, they show further arrogance rather than accepting the mistake. It is BLASPHEMY to laugh or find sunnah of nabi as 'funny'. Go and speak to your salafi scholars whether my statement regarding blasphemy is correct or not. Perhaps to be on safe side you recite kalima to urself.

I wonder which scholar taught you that growing beard and trimming moustache is a 'sufi act'.

You a so called "salafi" right? One who wholeheartedly accepts hadith of bukhari and muslim. So read on.....

1) Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullaah) reports on the authority of Imam Nafi' [ra] who narrates from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, that Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif said, 'Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists); lengthen the beards and trim the moustaches.'

2) When the two messengers of Kisra (Khusru - the Persian King) came to Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif, they had long moustaches and shaved beards. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam turned his face away in disgust and asked them, 'Who commanded you to do this (despicable deed)?' They replied, 'Our Lord, (i.e. King)' At this, Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif mentioned, 'But my Lord has commanded me to lengthen my beard and shorten my moustache.' (Tabaqaat ibn Sa'ad vol.1 pg.147; Taareekh Tabari vol.2 pg.267-266; Bidaaya wan Nihaaya)

(3) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)." - Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498


(4) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar. - Muslim, Hadith no. 449


(5) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard." - Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500


(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501


This is the problem with you so called salafi claimants. Anything that goes against your nafs you label it as sufi.

Not one but I have shown 6 different ahadith that too from bukhari and muslim, the books that you lot dont deny. Hope this steams into your brain that it was the command of the prophet that its sunnah and not a sufi trait.



And ya one who doesn't respects an action of my nabi, I have no respect for that person that I talk to them in a polite manner. I must be sufi innit for being so crazy of the actions of nabi (SAWS).


So, next time think twice before you show your intellect on issues which yo u are not aware of.

[WahYaLookin'At?]

Hi

Can you tell me what it is..?

Thankoo.

[KeeKee]

salam sis-:)

firstly, the word Tabligh means to give dawah, to propagate the deen.
The Tablighi jamaat is a vast number of Muslims all over the world who teach Islam to those who don't know, who propagate the deen by going TO Muslims to teach them, and learn, and do good deeds. The workers of tabligh are all over the world, whilst they are a majority of asians, there are also many Arabs from all around the mid east, somalians, converts, people of all backgrounds doing this noble work. people have labelled the Tablighi jamaat as a sect, but in reality it is no such thing. tabligh is a fardh upon every Muslim, and every muslim does tabligh at least once in his/her lifetime so looking at it, we can ALL be called tablighis. women are also involved in this noble endeavour.

i'm going to post some links that'll give you more of an insight
http://www28.brinkster.com/mushrf/070104/TFAZAIM.htm
http://www31.brinkster,com.ak4thanvi/1001004/14.html
http://www.islam.co.za/tabligh1.html
http://www.stanford.edu/group/SHR/5-1/text/metcalf.html
http://ekhlas.wordpress.com/tabligh/

if you have any other questions, feel free to send me a PM^^

[bhatti00]

zaitoon; no worries!

perfectpearl- if you read it, at least you can understand just why the ulama stress on chillah. i mean, earlier on in this thread you were saying theres no evidence or whatever in hadith so.....
anyway :up:

the rule is 40 for alot of things

for example if you want to give up a bad habbit then refrain from it for 40 days and i.a. u will give it up.

worth a try perfectperl :up: (not that im saying u have a bad habbit)

[perfectpearl]

The traits of a jaahil and a fool is, when truth is spoken to them, rather than respecting the truth they attach themselves to their whimsical desires by labeling anything and everything as "sufi" even when it is HAQQ.

You really think I got peed off cuz I practice it? Allah is my witness, certainly not, this is nothing compared to what I have faced and have gone thru in my real life..... I dont give a ****e to what people say but I DO get peed of when disbelievers and ignorant believers mock the sunnah of prophet. Especially such fools who think they are on the righteous path but at the same time display highest form of jahaalah and when they are corrected, they show further arrogance rather than accepting the mistake. It is BLASPHEMY to laugh or find sunnah of nabi as 'funny'. Go and speak to your salafi scholars whether my statement regarding blasphemy is correct or not. Perhaps to be on safe side you recite kalima to urself.

I wonder which scholar taught you that growing beard and trimming moustache is a 'sufi act'.

You a so called "salafi" right? One who wholeheartedly accepts hadith of bukhari and muslim. So read on.....

1) Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullaah) reports on the authority of Imam Nafi' [ra] who narrates from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, that Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif said, 'Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists); lengthen the beards and trim the moustaches.'

2) When the two messengers of Kisra (Khusru - the Persian King) came to Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif, they had long moustaches and shaved beards. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam turned his face away in disgust and asked them, 'Who commanded you to do this (despicable deed)?' They replied, 'Our Lord, (i.e. King)' At this, Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif mentioned, 'But my Lord has commanded me to lengthen my beard and shorten my moustache.' (Tabaqaat ibn Sa'ad vol.1 pg.147; Taareekh Tabari vol.2 pg.267-266; Bidaaya wan Nihaaya)

(3) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)." - Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498


(4) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar. - Muslim, Hadith no. 449


(5) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard." - Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500


(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501


This is the problem with you so called salafi claimants. Anything that goes against your nafs you label it as sufi.

Not one but I have shown 6 different ahadith that too from bukhari and muslim, the books that you lot dont deny. Hope this steams into your brain that it was the command of the prophet that its sunnah and not a sufi trait.



And ya one who doesn't respects an action of my nabi, I have no respect for that person that I talk to them in a polite manner. I must be sufi innit for being so crazy of the actions of nabi (SAWS).


So, next time think twice before you show your intellect on issues which yo u are not aware of.

You are totally misunderstanding me. I never said it looks weird when its trimmed. When its not there AT ALL it looks weird! I am not putting sunnah or religion into it at all. Personal preference is not the same as desires. I dont like how the beard looks- personally i dont feel comfortable with a perspective that doesnt have a beard. I think its a total put off to not have a beard but still i dont like how it looks.

Just to get this clear- i am not a perfect Muslim as we all are not. We all have mistakes. I try to the best to follow the salaf. I do mistakes so you dont have to attack the salafis because even if that was a mistake, dont take me as an example. I never said it had anything to do with religion anyway. Dont take chances to find a wrong in salafis. Its me thats wrong, not the salafis. Dont be fast to judge. I do respect the nabi as i try to follow His sunnah CORRECTLY- so dont get all i am all bad for doing this and that on me.

Anyway you are totally misunderstanding me. I agree with all these ahadith. All i said was it looked weird when someone shaves their mustache and leaves the beard. Nothing wrong with that.

[perfectpearl]

zaitoon; no worries!

perfectpearl- if you read it, at least you can understand just why the ulama stress on chillah. i mean, earlier on in this thread you were saying theres no evidence or whatever in hadith so.....
anyway :up:

the rule is 40 for alot of things

for example if you want to give up a bad habbit then refrain from it for 40 days and i.a. u will give it up.

worth a try perfectperl :up: (not that im saying u have a bad habbit)


My brothers left the tabligh because of their bidah. I read on the 40 ahdaith before. Just like I said - not good daleels. Maybe you should search it yourself. I know the two sides. Ones weak and ones strong. Iv already experienced it. Maybe you guys should too. :)

[$HugoBoss$]

Nope and never will be.

[RashidD]

The traits of a jaahil and a fool is, when truth is spoken to them, rather than respecting the truth they attach themselves to their whimsical desires by labeling anything and everything as "sufi" even when it is HAQQ.

You really think I got peed off cuz I practice it? Allah is my witness, certainly not, this is nothing compared to what I have faced and have gone thru in my real life..... I dont give a ****e to what people say but I DO get peed of when disbelievers and ignorant believers mock the sunnah of prophet. Especially such fools who think they are on the righteous path but at the same time display highest form of jahaalah and when they are corrected, they show further arrogance rather than accepting the mistake. It is BLASPHEMY to laugh or find sunnah of nabi as 'funny'. Go and speak to your salafi scholars whether my statement regarding blasphemy is correct or not. Perhaps to be on safe side you recite kalima to urself.

I wonder which scholar taught you that growing beard and trimming moustache is a 'sufi act'.

You a so called "salafi" right? One who wholeheartedly accepts hadith of bukhari and muslim. So read on.....

1) Imam Bukhari (Rahimahullaah) reports on the authority of Imam Nafi' [ra] who narrates from Sayyiduna Abdullah ibn Umar, Radi-Allahu anhu, that Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif said, 'Oppose the Mushrikeen (polytheists); lengthen the beards and trim the moustaches.'

2) When the two messengers of Kisra (Khusru - the Persian King) came to Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif, they had long moustaches and shaved beards. Rasulullah [sallallaahu alayhi wasallam turned his face away in disgust and asked them, 'Who commanded you to do this (despicable deed)?' They replied, 'Our Lord, (i.e. King)' At this, Rasulullah http://www.albalagh.net/_images/saws.gif mentioned, 'But my Lord has commanded me to lengthen my beard and shorten my moustache.' (Tabaqaat ibn Sa'ad vol.1 pg.147; Taareekh Tabari vol.2 pg.267-266; Bidaaya wan Nihaaya)

(3) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) says: "Trim closely the moustache, and let the beard flow (Grow)." - Narrated Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 498


(4) "Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) ordered us to trim the moustache closely and spare the beard" says Ibn Umar. - Muslim, Hadith no. 449


(5) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam)said: "Act against contrary to the polythesists, trim closely the moustache and grow the beard." - Reported by Ibn Umar (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 500


(6) Rasulullah (Sallallahu Alayhi Wasallam) said "Trim closely the moustache and grow the beard."
- Reported by Abu Hurairah (R.A.) in Muslim, Hadith no. 501


This is the problem with you so called salafi claimants. Anything that goes against your nafs you label it as sufi.

Not one but I have shown 6 different ahadith that too from bukhari and muslim, the books that you lot dont deny. Hope this steams into your brain that it was the command of the prophet that its sunnah and not a sufi trait.



And ya one who doesn't respects an action of my nabi, I have no respect for that person that I talk to them in a polite manner. I must be sufi innit for being so crazy of the actions of nabi (SAWS).


So, next time think twice before you show your intellect on issues which yo u are not aware of.

Calm down on the salafi bashing akhi.

[RashidD]

What bid'ah do tabligh do?

[KeeKee]

we do not do Bid'ah, we condemn bid'ah. to the point that mufti gangohi even issued a fatawa that to celebrate maulud an nabi is haram because of the bid'ah people involve in it.

[RashidD]

You mean condemn bid'ah.

[KeeKee]

My brothers left the tabligh because of their bidah. I read on the 40 ahdaith before. Just like I said - not good daleels. Maybe you should search it yourself. I know the two sides. Ones weak and ones strong. Iv already experienced it. Maybe you guys should too. :)

guess your brothers just didn't get it.

hey don't make assumptions so fast; i come from a tablighi family but i researched it thoroughly, and i know 'both' sides. the only bid'ah people can come out with is the reading of fadhail e amaal and substantial refutations have been given; and if someone wants to reject it based solely on their individual experience....then so be it. it doesn't affect the noble endeavour of Tabligh, and alhamdulillah all around the world through this work People have come to Islam, have come BACK to Islam. become deeni etc. so reject and laugh at it all anyone likes; the blessed efforts and therefore effects of this work is clear for those who want to see, see.

[MWarrior]

why do so many tablighis use ahadith about jihad and make out as if its talking about tableegh ? when infact the hadith is clearly talking about fighting in the path of Allah and its reward....NOT about tabligh :rolleyes:

And also many of these Tablighis have hatred for other kind of muslims...then they talk about ikramul muslimeen !! :rolleyes:

having said this there isnt anything wrong with their objectives and the work they do. its just that there are many narrow minded people amongst them whoe give tabligh a bad name.

[KeeKee]

those of us who are Tablighi and know what Tablighi means, do not have h8red for other Muslims. my family and many many others i know may not agree with certain people (i.e brelwi) but are always respectful towards them and polite, and have no h8red.
we do not use ahadith about jihad and make out out as if its talking about tabligh; we stress on jihad an nafs, jihad within ones self.

also, just as with every other kinds of Muslims, we have a few bad eggs that give us a bad name. but just as those bad eggs do not determine how the entire people are, neither does it in this case. (kind of.....mixed up, but hope i got my point across).

[truepath]

why do so many tablighis use ahadith about jihad and make out as if its talking about tableegh ? when infact the hadith is clearly talking about fighting in the path of Allah and its reward....NOT about tabligh :rolleyes:

And also many of these Tablighis have hatred for other kind of muslims...then they talk about ikramul muslimeen !! :rolleyes:

having said this there isnt anything wrong with their objectives and the work they do. its just that there are many narrow minded people amongst them whoe give tabligh a bad name.

What was the main aim or maqsad of sahaba to fight any battle other than tabligh and dawah? In fact they had to fight only cuz kuffar would either not accept their dawah nor let them go forward to spread dawah to others. Thats why they fought and waged jihad to spread deen THROUGH dawah. There is no other reason for which sahaba fought any single war. NOT FOR LAND Or any other purpose.

Try understanding ahadith thru Ulama not by urself to get a proper understanding. And thru proper scholars by personally sitting in their blessed company.

Not thru internet scholars and tv channel scholars.

[seven]

with regards to people who call 40 days bid'ah:

why is it that when you go to say madinah university... the courses are like 1, 2 or 3 years long? isn't that a bid'ah also?

[RashidD]

why do so many tablighis use ahadith about jihad and make out as if its talking about tableegh ? when infact the hadith is clearly talking about fighting in the path of Allah and its reward....NOT about tabligh :rolleyes:

And also many of these Tablighis have hatred for other kind of muslims...then they talk about ikramul muslimeen !! :rolleyes:

having said this there isnt anything wrong with their objectives and the work they do. its just that there are many narrow minded people amongst them whoe give tabligh a bad name.

To an extent i've also found that regarding the jihaadi hadith (crude term, sorry)
but it's not that bad. I had the whole "feesabilillah" clarified by an ustaad.

Tableeghis are bad to other muslims? Maybe the awwam... Just like some awwam from the other minhaj/ groups/ whatever can be a bit rough... But otherwise they are generally ok in terms of kindness.

There was this issue which i was discussing with someone whereby he mentioned he also found the mashoora of not differentiating between TJers and non-TJers is not reaching/ not being implemented by the awwam (In the sense some of them have the, you're either in the fold or out sort of mentality)

Also, some people have come to Deen/ back to Deen through TJ work and they become fully immersed in it and it becomes sorta like all they know. Show tolerance towards them inshaALLAH (I know it can be a bit rough at times) but understand that all the good they do probably inshaALLAH should be enough for us to give them some room.

[RashidD]

with regards to people who call 40 days bid'ah:

why is it that when you go to say madinah university... the courses are like 1, 2 or 3 years long? isn't that a bid'ah also?


The 40 days is not strict either... You can come back earlier if there's a need or something inshaALLAH...

[seven]

i don't think there are any other group that comes close to what TJ have achieved for the sake of deen.

the difference is TJ's keep a low profile of their efforts.

[RashidD]

What do you mean by low profile?

[seven]

they don't publicise themselves

[Umer Bin Khatab]

i got this in an email........

Shaykh Ibn Utheymen on the Tablighi Jamat
Asslamu Allaikum,

Question: I have started to become committed recently, praise be to Allaah. In our area there is the Jamaa?at al-Tableegh, who go out for thirty days or more. People say different things about them. Some say, don't go out with them, because their going out is an innovation (bidah) and they have some mistaken ideas. Others advised me to go out with them. What is the correct view concerning that? Should I go out with them or not?.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah. We have already discussed this group and some of their pros and cons.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about that and he said:

Usually in every issue there are two extremes and a middle way. Some people praise this group a great deal and encourage going out with them; others condemn them a great deal and warn against them more than they would warn you about a lion. And some people tread a middle path between those two extremes.

I think that there is some good in this group; they call others to Islam and have a clear influence that no other daaiyahs have had. Many kaafirs have become believers at their hands, and many evildoers has Allaah guided through them.

Moreover they have an attitude of humility and selflessness that is not found in many others.

Some people say that they have no knowledge of hadeeth, and so on.

They are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shari evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization (of groups). If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah.

I think, may Allaah bless you, that if you have the opportunity to seek knowledge then it is better to do that, because seeking knowledge is good and the people nowadays have a great need for scholars who have knowledge of the Sunnah and who are well-versed in knowledge. If you are not able to seek knowledge, and you go out with them in order to purify yourself, there is nothing wrong with that. There are many people whom Allaah has guided at their hands.
Al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 10, P. 304.

And Allaah is the Source of strength
Sh Ibn Utheymen on the tablighi jammat


i've been to a ijtimaa once for three dayz but besides that never went on tabligh. i have nothing against the brotherz though.

[*hijab*]

i got this in an email........

Shaykh Ibn Utheymen on the Tablighi Jamat
Asslamu Allaikum,

Question: I have started to become committed recently, praise be to Allaah. In our area there is the Jamaa?at al-Tableegh, who go out for thirty days or more. People say different things about them. Some say, don't go out with them, because their going out is an innovation (bidah) and they have some mistaken ideas. Others advised me to go out with them. What is the correct view concerning that? Should I go out with them or not?.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah. We have already discussed this group and some of their pros and cons.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about that and he said:

Usually in every issue there are two extremes and a middle way. Some people praise this group a great deal and encourage going out with them; others condemn them a great deal and warn against them more than they would warn you about a lion. And some people tread a middle path between those two extremes.

I think that there is some good in this group; they call others to Islam and have a clear influence that no other daaiyahs have had. Many kaafirs have become believers at their hands, and many evildoers has Allaah guided through them.

Moreover they have an attitude of humility and selflessness that is not found in many others.

Some people say that they have no knowledge of hadeeth, and so on.

They are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shari evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization (of groups). If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah.

I think, may Allaah bless you, that if you have the opportunity to seek knowledge then it is better to do that, because seeking knowledge is good and the people nowadays have a great need for scholars who have knowledge of the Sunnah and who are well-versed in knowledge. If you are not able to seek knowledge, and you go out with them in order to purify yourself, there is nothing wrong with that. There are many people whom Allaah has guided at their hands.
Al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 10, P. 304.

And Allaah is the Source of strength
Sh Ibn Utheymen on the tablighi jammat


i've been to a ijtimaa once for three dayz but besides that never went on tabligh. i have nothing against the brotherz though.

wots ijtimaa? sorry i dnt know

[truepath]

And I have scanned PDF files of fatwas in arabic language from Shaykh Bin Baaz and Shaykh Uthaimin along with complete stamps of univerisities in which they were authority to prove its authenticity.

And I can say for sure that they did not stop people or discouraged people from going in jamaat or from spending time in tabligh in the way like some of the fatwas are portrayed/attributed to these scholars thru emails and internet websites like triod.org or spubs.com

[Umer Bin Khatab]

it is like a conference..maybe someone can explain it better. They had different speakers and ulema from subcontinent come in and they gave out speeches.

[*hijab*]

it is like a conference..maybe someone can explain it better. They had different speakers and ulema from subcontinent come in and they gave out speeches.

ok jzk

[KeeKee]

an ijtema literally means a gathering of people; as the brother said its also like a huge conference. people from all over the country, shuyukh from around the world, talks, study sessions, duas....etc etc.

[*hijab*]

an ijtema literally means a gathering of people; as the brother said its also like a huge conference. people from all over the country, shuyukh from around the world, talks, study sessions, duas....etc etc.

ok jzk

[Abu Mus'ab]

You are totally misunderstanding me. I never said it looks weird when its trimmed. When its not there AT ALL it looks weird! I am not putting sunnah or religion into it at all. Personal preference is not the same as desires. I dont like how the beard looks- personally i dont feel comfortable with a perspective that doesnt have a beard. I think its a total put off to not have a beard but still i dont like how it looks.

Just to get this clear- i am not a perfect Muslim as we all are not. We all have mistakes. I try to the best to follow the salaf. I do mistakes so you dont have to attack the salafis because even if that was a mistake, dont take me as an example. I never said it had anything to do with religion anyway. Dont take chances to find a wrong in salafis. Its me thats wrong, not the salafis. Dont be fast to judge. I do respect the nabi as i try to follow His sunnah CORRECTLY- so dont get all i am all bad for doing this and that on me.

Anyway you are totally misunderstanding me. I agree with all these ahadith. All i said was it looked weird when someone shaves their mustache and leaves the beard. Nothing wrong with that.
I'm not gonna comment on that :rubeyes:

[Abu Mus'ab]

Lol this this guy :wacko: did i ever ever say it has to do with religion! I am guessing you also have a beard with no mustache....- ITS MY OPINION and I say it LOOKS BAD! You dont have to get all sufi over me. Its my preference - live with it.
Well you'd better change your preferences then.

[truepath]

I'm not gonna comment on that :rubeyes:

Well you'd better change your preferences then.



In initial post she clearly mocked it, laughed at it and called it funny

Now, in the paragraph below she is talkin on both sides.

===========================
Originally Posted by perfectpearl http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2761345#post2761345)
You are totally misunderstanding me. I never said it looks weird when its trimmed. When its not there AT ALL it looks weird! I am not putting sunnah or religion into it at all. Personal preference is not the same as desires. I dont like how the beard looks- personally i dont feel comfortable with a perspective that doesnt have a beard. I think its a total put off to not have a beard but still i dont like how it looks.

===========================

I got no clue what she was on about in this paragraph. It just sounds like coming out from a confused pearl and not from a perfect pearl. So i thought better ignore. lol

[Abu Mus'ab]

In initial post she clearly mocked it, laughed at it and called it funny

Now, in the paragraph below she is talkin on both sides.

===========================
Originally Posted by perfectpearl http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2761345#post2761345)
You are totally misunderstanding me. I never said it looks weird when its trimmed. When its not there AT ALL it looks weird! I am not putting sunnah or religion into it at all. Personal preference is not the same as desires. I dont like how the beard looks- personally i dont feel comfortable with a perspective that doesnt have a beard. I think its a total put off to not have a beard but still i dont like how it looks.

===========================

I got no clue what she was on about in this paragraph. It just sounds like coming out from a confused pearl and not from a perfect pearl. So i thought better ignore. lol

You know if some people (both salafis and non salafis) had to read that comment of hers where she says she doesn't like how a beard looks then they'd instantly brand her a kaafir, that's why i said she'd better change her preferences.

The moustache i don't know too much about, i've only heard medievalist say that hadhrat abu hurairah radhiallahu anhu shaved off his moustache, i don't know how authentic that is, but because i'm in doubt about it i would never speak bad about it lest it may be true.

[perfectpearl]

guess your brothers just didn't get it.

hey don't make assumptions so fast; i come from a tablighi family but i researched it thoroughly, and i know 'both' sides. the only bid'ah people can come out with is the reading of fadhail e amaal and substantial refutations have been given; and if someone wants to reject it based solely on their individual experience....then so be it. it doesn't affect the noble endeavour of Tabligh, and alhamdulillah all around the world through this work People have come to Islam, have come BACK to Islam. become deeni etc. so reject and laugh at it all anyone likes; the blessed efforts and therefore effects of this work is clear for those who want to see, see.

see your never going to listen because your family do follow it now. All I am saying is just search.

with regards to people who call 40 days bid'ah:

why is it that when you go to say madinah university... the courses are like 1, 2 or 3 years long? isn't that a bid'ah also?

They are not limiting it. They dont think by just 40 days they will attain something. how about 41 or 42...why 40. Thats the point.
i got this in an email........

Shaykh Ibn Utheymen on the Tablighi Jamat
Asslamu Allaikum,

Question: I have started to become committed recently, praise be to Allaah. In our area there is the Jamaa?at al-Tableegh, who go out for thirty days or more. People say different things about them. Some say, don't go out with them, because their going out is an innovation (bidah) and they have some mistaken ideas. Others advised me to go out with them. What is the correct view concerning that? Should I go out with them or not?.

Answer: Praise be to Allaah. We have already discussed this group and some of their pros and cons.

Shaykh Ibn Uthaymeen (may Allaah have mercy on him) was asked about that and he said:

Usually in every issue there are two extremes and a middle way. Some people praise this group a great deal and encourage going out with them; others condemn them a great deal and warn against them more than they would warn you about a lion. And some people tread a middle path between those two extremes.

I think that there is some good in this group; they call others to Islam and have a clear influence that no other daaiyahs have had. Many kaafirs have become believers at their hands, and many evildoers has Allaah guided through them.

Moreover they have an attitude of humility and selflessness that is not found in many others.

Some people say that they have no knowledge of hadeeth, and so on.

They are undoubtedly good people, but I think that those of them who are in Saudi do not go to Pakistan or other countries, and we do not know anything about the aqeedah of those people (in other countries) or their manhaj (methodology). But there is nothing wrong with the manhaj followed by our companions here in Saudi.

With regard to limiting dawah to three or four days, or to two or four or six months, or two years, there is no shari evidence for that. But they think that this has to do with organization (of groups). If a person goes out for three days, and knows that he is limited to these three days, he will focus his mind and forget about worldly matters. This is the matter of organization, and is not an act of worship or a matter of shareeah.

I think, may Allaah bless you, that if you have the opportunity to seek knowledge then it is better to do that, because seeking knowledge is good and the people nowadays have a great need for scholars who have knowledge of the Sunnah and who are well-versed in knowledge. If you are not able to seek knowledge, and you go out with them in order to purify yourself, there is nothing wrong with that. There are many people whom Allaah has guided at their hands.
Al-Baab al-Maftooh, no. 10, P. 304.

And Allaah is the Source of strength
Sh Ibn Utheymen on the tablighi jammat


i've been to a ijtimaa once for three dayz but besides that never went on tabligh. i have nothing against the brotherz though.

Just to make this clear- he is talking about tJ in saudi . He said he doesnt know the manhaj of the others.

I'm not gonna comment on that :rubeyes:

Well you'd better change your preferences then.

If you bring me something thats worthy of a source then maybe I would.


In initial post she clearly mocked it, laughed at it and called it funny

Now, in the paragraph below she is talkin on both sides.

===========================
Originally Posted by perfectpearl http://www.ummah.com/forum/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2761345#post2761345)
You are totally misunderstanding me. I never said it looks weird when its trimmed. When its not there AT ALL it looks weird! I am not putting sunnah or religion into it at all. Personal preference is not the same as desires. I dont like how the beard looks- personally i dont feel comfortable with a perspective that doesnt have a beard. I think its a total put off to not have a beard but still i dont like how it looks.

===========================

I got no clue what she was on about in this paragraph. It just sounds like coming out from a confused pearl and not from a perfect pearl. So i thought better ignore. lol


How am I the one thats confused. Because you misunderstood me, I become the one thats confused. Oh okkay :rolleyes:

I was giving examples on how liking something looks and not following it. For example - I do NOT like how beard look BUT I hate when men dont have beards. Another example - I think it Looks weird when men have NO mustache At ALL and a beard BUT thats okay Islamiclly because i do like a trimmed mustache with a beard!

You know if some people (both salafis and non salafis) had to read that comment of hers where she says she doesn't like how a beard looks then they'd instantly brand her a kaafir, that's why i said she'd better change her preferences.

The moustache i don't know too much about, i've only heard medievalist say that hadhrat abu hurairah radhiallahu anhu shaved off his moustache, i don't know how authentic that is, but because i'm in doubt about it i would never speak bad about it lest it may be true.


You know I am right here. Instead of talking within yourselves- just tell it to me.

What to you because i dont like how the beard looks they brand me as kaffir. I dont know what kind of people you know but salafis dont misuse the word kafir. Is there a hadith or something saying because i dont like how it looks i am a kafir. I dont think so. I already said that I dont feel comfortable with someone without a beard so how am I rejecting the sunnah. I know many salafi brothers who dont like how the beard looks but still have it because its fard. Do you claim them as kaffir?

Those people that will brand as kaffir better really know what they going into. If you are wrong about it- it goes back at you.

[Fais]

:wacko:

[$HugoBoss$]

Funny thing is nobody here know's what there talking about :1popcorn:

[truepath]

Nope and never will be.

good for you.

What a great misery and disaster for them. How unlucky they are and what a great loss to their effort and their movement that such a great, eminent and a noble personality as yourself is not a part of them. They sure must be missing great contribution from you.

[KeeKee]

Funny thing is nobody here know's what there talking about :1popcorn:

yeah and i bet you know a lot don't you cheese breath

[seven]

Funny thing is nobody here know's what there talking about :1popcorn:
mashaAllah, since you are so knowledgeable about this, maybe you can teach us inshaAllah :1popcorn:

[Abu Mus'ab]

What to you because i dont like how the beard looks they brand me as kaffir. I dont know what kind of people you know but salafis dont misuse the word kafir. Is there a hadith or something saying because i dont like how it looks i am a kafir. I dont think so. I already said that I dont feel comfortable with someone without a beard so how am I rejecting the sunnah. I know many salafi brothers who dont like how the beard looks but still have it because its fard. Do you claim them as kaffir?

Those people that will brand as kaffir better really know what they going into. If you are wrong about it- it goes back at you.

you should just go and read the nullfiers of emaan, and you'll find your answer right there.

Don't take it from me, just go ask sheikh salih al munajjid and see what he tells you.

[seven]

Where's med? Didn't he have proof that Abu Hurayrah (RA) shaved mustache? There are many TJers who keep it, it is considered sunnah or closer to sunnah in Shafi'i madhab.
The ruling on Moustache

The trimming and shortening of the moustache has been emphatically mentioned in many narrations of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), as we have seen above, thus, there is no need to repeat these narrations.

The Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) mention two things:

1) Some state, “Shorten your moustaches.”

2) Others state, “Remove your moustaches.” (See: Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim).

Thus, all the Schools of Islamic law agree on the fact that, it is impermissible to leave the moustache in a way that it covers the upper lip, for it is against the Sunnah and unhygienic, especially when eating. It would be unlawful to grow a very long moustache, as is customary in many people.
Zayd ibn Arqam (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Whosoever does not shorten his moustache is not one from us.” (Sunan Tirmizi, no. 2761, Sunan Nasa’i, no. 14 and Musnad Ahmad, 4/366, and Imam al-Tirmizi classed it to be authentic).

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to trim or take from his moustache, and the friend of Allah (khalil), the Prophet Ibrahim (blessings be upon him) would also do the same.” (Sunan Tirmizi, no. 2760 and Musnad Ahmad, 1/301)

However, the scholars differ as to whether it is better to shorten the moustache or remove it and shave it altogether.

The relied upon opinion in the Hanafi School is that, it is even better to remove one’s moustache, though the sunnah is achieved by shortening the it such that it no longer covers the upper lip.

Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states that the opinion of shaving off the moustache being a Sunnah, was chosen by many scholars. (Radd al-Muhtar)

Imam al-Tahawi said that it is a Sunnah to shave the moustache, and it is better than shortening it, affirming that this is the position of Abu Hanifa and both his main students (Allah have mercy on them). (See: Tahawi, Sharh Ma’ani al-Athaar, 4.229,

He also reported, with his authentic chains of transmission, that this was from the practice of great Companions, including Abd Allah ibn Umar, Abu Hurayra, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, Abu Usayd al-Sa’idi, Rafi’ ibn Khadij, Jabir ibn Abd Allah, Anas ibn Malik, and others. (ibid.)

Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him) used to shave his moustache, thus the Hanbali position is also similar to that of the Hanafis. The Maliki School states that the moustache should not be completely removed, rather only shortened. The Shafi’is also hold a similar view.

This is what I have, and Allah knows best.


Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester, UK

[Abu Mus'ab]

The ruling on Moustache

The trimming and shortening of the moustache has been emphatically mentioned in many narrations of the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace), as we have seen above, thus, there is no need to repeat these narrations.

The Hadiths from the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) mention two things:

1) Some state, “Shorten your moustaches.”

2) Others state, “Remove your moustaches.” (See: Sahih al-Bukhari and Sahih Muslim).

Thus, all the Schools of Islamic law agree on the fact that, it is impermissible to leave the moustache in a way that it covers the upper lip, for it is against the Sunnah and unhygienic, especially when eating. It would be unlawful to grow a very long moustache, as is customary in many people.
Zayd ibn Arqam (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) said: “Whosoever does not shorten his moustache is not one from us.” (Sunan Tirmizi, no. 2761, Sunan Nasa’i, no. 14 and Musnad Ahmad, 4/366, and Imam al-Tirmizi classed it to be authentic).

Sayyiduna Abd Allah ibn Abbas (Allah be pleased with him) narrates that the Messenger of Allah (Allah bless him & give him peace) used to trim or take from his moustache, and the friend of Allah (khalil), the Prophet Ibrahim (blessings be upon him) would also do the same.” (Sunan Tirmizi, no. 2760 and Musnad Ahmad, 1/301)

However, the scholars differ as to whether it is better to shorten the moustache or remove it and shave it altogether.

The relied upon opinion in the Hanafi School is that, it is even better to remove one’s moustache, though the sunnah is achieved by shortening the it such that it no longer covers the upper lip.

Imam Ibn Abidin (Allah have mercy on him) states that the opinion of shaving off the moustache being a Sunnah, was chosen by many scholars. (Radd al-Muhtar)

Imam al-Tahawi said that it is a Sunnah to shave the moustache, and it is better than shortening it, affirming that this is the position of Abu Hanifa and both his main students (Allah have mercy on them). (See: Tahawi, Sharh Ma’ani al-Athaar, 4.229,

He also reported, with his authentic chains of transmission, that this was from the practice of great Companions, including Abd Allah ibn Umar, Abu Hurayra, Abu Sa’id al-Khudri, Abu Usayd al-Sa’idi, Rafi’ ibn Khadij, Jabir ibn Abd Allah, Anas ibn Malik, and others. (ibid.)

Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal (Allah have mercy on him) used to shave his moustache, thus the Hanbali position is also similar to that of the Hanafis. The Maliki School states that the moustache should not be completely removed, rather only shortened. The Shafi’is also hold a similar view.

This is what I have, and Allah knows best.


Muhammad ibn Adam
Darul Iftaa
Leicester, UK
:jkk: i've saved this post for future reference.

[MWarrior]

i know back home (india, pakistan, b'desh and many arab countries ) it is fashion to let the moustache grow and shave the beard!!

completely the opposite to what we have been told!!

[perfectpearl]

you should just go and read the nullfiers of emaan, and you'll find your answer right there.

Don't take it from me, just go ask sheikh salih al munajjid and see what he tells you.

I am pretty sure he wont call me a kaffir for not liking how it looks. I am sure any salafi wont call me a kaffir for not liking how it looks.

[*hijab*]

I am pretty sure he wont call me a kaffir for not liking how it looks. I am sure any salafi wont call me a kaffir for not liking how it looks.

but its sunnah so were supposed to like the beard, saying u dnt like it is like saying u dnt like the sunnah of the prophet saw

(i dnt mean to be spiteful but we have to love the sunnah thats part of whats makes u muslim)

[perfectpearl]

but its sunnah so were supposed to like the beard, saying u dnt like it is like saying u dnt like the sunnah of the prophet saw

(i dnt mean to be spiteful but we have to love the sunnah thats part of whats makes u muslim)

LOOKS LOOKS ... I dont like how it LOOKS. BUT I would much prefer a man to HAVE A BEARD!

such false accusations in one thread...

[*hijab*]

LOOKS LOOKS ... I dont like how it LOOKS. BUT I would much prefer a man to HAVE A BEARD!

such false accusations in one thread...

im not accusing you of anything...what do u mean by luks? do u not like certain style of a beard for example box beard?

please dnt take it seriously, im not arguing with u

[perfectpearl]

im not accusing you of anything...what do u mean by luks? do u not like certain style of a beard for example box beard?

please dnt take it seriously, im not arguing with u

I just dont like the look of hair on the chin. Like just generally I dont like how a beard looks.

I know the Prophet had it and its a true struggle for the brothers to have a beard Mashaa Allah. I respect brothers with beards. Like I said I know brothers who dont like how it looks but despite of that grow one to be on the sunnah.

[seven]

perfect pearl,

if you dislike the looks of the prophet :saw: and his sunnah, then you should keep that to yourself and pray that Allah grants you love for the prophet :saw: that you love everything aboout him.

Narrated 'Abd Allah bin Hisham: 'We were with the Prophet (SAAW) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab
(RAA). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (SAAW)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself."
Allah's Messenger (SAAW) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am
dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (RAA) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my
ownself." He (SAAW) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

[seven]

perfect pearl,

if you dislike the looks of the prophet :saw: and his sunnah, then you should keep that to yourself and pray that Allah grants you love for the prophet :saw: that you love everything aboout him.

Narrated 'Abd Allah bin Hisham: 'We were with the Prophet (SAAW) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab
(RAA). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (SAAW)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself."
Allah's Messenger (SAAW) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am
dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (RAA) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my
ownself." He (SAAW) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

[perfectpearl]

perfect pearl,

if you dislike the looks of the prophet :saw: and his sunnah, then you should keep that to yourself and pray that Allah grants you love for the prophet :saw: that you love everything aboout him.

Narrated 'Abd Allah bin Hisham: 'We were with the Prophet (SAAW) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab
(RAA). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (SAAW)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself."
Allah's Messenger (SAAW) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am
dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (RAA) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my
ownself." He (SAAW) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

I never said i didnt like the looks of the Prophet. I love the Prophet and everything about him. Dont you know thats why I am salafi. I feel they follow the rasool the most and thats why I am one.

[Facilitator]

It takes more than that to be a salafi. salafis are rare, you cannot just brand it upon yourself, to be one you need to walk, talk, think, do, look etc (like the salaf did which was according to Quran and Sunnah). Love that which is better for us and to love it totally and obey completely, and to live like so is to gain the love of Allah swt. You should see it from a different angle that whatever Allah swt loves is what we should love, and we should be those who strive in upholding this blessing.

[truepath]

yup mustache is okay..its the beard thats not okay.

it looks really funny anyway when you have beard and no mustache

If its not mocking then what else is it?

Lol this this guy :wacko: did i ever ever say it has to do with religion! I am guessing you also have a beard with no mustache....- ITS MY OPINION and I say it LOOKS BAD! You dont have to get all sufi over me. Its my preference - live with it.

Like as if the world rotates around her and i or some of us cannot live if she holds such a preference.


perfect pearl,

if you dislike the looks of the prophet :saw: and his sunnah, then you should keep that to yourself and pray that Allah grants you love for the prophet :saw: that you love everything aboout him.

Narrated 'Abd Allah bin Hisham: 'We were with the Prophet (SAAW) and he was holding the hand of 'Umar ibnu Al-Khattab
(RAA). 'Umar said to him, "O Allah's Messenger (SAAW)! You are dearer to me than everything except my ownself."
Allah's Messenger (SAAW) said: "No, by Him in Whose Hand my soul is, (you will not have complete Faith) untill I am
dearer to you than your ownself." Then 'Umar (RAA) said: "However, now, by Allah, you are dearer to me than my
ownself." He (SAAW) then said: "Now, O 'Umar, (now you are a believer)."

Thats exactly my point for which I got all worked up. Nobody gives a damnn of your view or your preference or your opinion if it is against something which is haqq and is beloved to the muslim ummah. I personally, dont care whether you change your opinion, your view and your preference on this issue or not. However, my point was even if you dont like it, as seven said you should keep your views to yourself and stay silent on these issues rather than making these kind of comments.

Just don't make mocking comments and keep them to yourself and it will all be fine. If you dont have have love for it and dislike it still not a problem a if you keep it to yourself in your heart. Rather than making senseless comments such as "looks funny" or "moustache is ok while beard is not ok" etc etc.

I am sure you know of the ahadith that warns about the usage of tongue and the words that can take a person away from jannah to jahannam. So think well before you say or speak stuff, that would be better for you. And I am very sure there are many salafis who would brand these statements which I have highlighted in blue as "kufr" or even brand you as kaffir altogether. But I didnt and I rather said to be on safe side you better recite kalima in your own heart. For, if i had made such comments on any issue due to lack of my knowledge or understanding, then I woudn't think twice before reciting kalima again and reviving my own imaan. As for me my imaam would be the most important thing for me.

[$HugoBoss$]

good for you.

What a great misery and disaster for them. How unlucky they are and what a great loss to their effort and their movement that such a great, eminent and a noble personality as yourself is not a part of them. They sure must be missing great contribution from you.

yeah and i bet you know a lot don't you cheese breath

mashaAllah, since you are so knowledgeable about this, maybe you can teach us inshaAllah :1popcorn:

Sorry sisters didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Hope you feel better now.

[RashidD]

Can people, especially those on a TJ line, please remember your adab. Have any of you ever sat with 'ulema of TJ? Do they ever use this kind of language?

[perfectpearl]

If its not mocking then what else is it?



Like as if the world rotates around her and i or some of us cannot live if she holds such a preference.




Thats exactly my point for which I got all worked up. Nobody gives a damnn of your view or your preference or your opinion if it is against something which is haqq and is beloved to the muslim ummah. I personally, dont care whether you change your opinion, your view and your preference on this issue or not. However, my point was even if you dont like it, as seven said you should keep your views to yourself and stay silent on these issues rather than making these kind of comments.

Just don't make mocking comments and keep them to yourself and it will all be fine. If you dont have have love for it and dislike it still not a problem a if you keep it to yourself in your heart. Rather than making senseless comments such as "looks funny" or "moustache is ok while beard is not ok" etc etc.

I am sure you know of the ahadith that warns about the usage of tongue and the words that can take a person away from jannah to jahannam. So think well before you say or speak stuff, that would be better for you. And I am very sure there are many salafis who would brand these statements which I have highlighted in blue as "kufr" or even brand you as kaffir altogether. But I didnt and I rather said to be on safe side you better recite kalima in your own heart. For, if i had made such comments on any issue due to lack of my knowledge or understanding, then I woudn't think twice before reciting kalima again and reviving my own imaan. As for me my imaam would be the most important thing for me.

Okay so now all the sufis team up and say that I am saying statements of kufr. ha If you dont give a damn about my veiws don't read them or comment on em wise guy.

Btw you sooooooooo misquoted me up there I quoted the other post saying that Mustache is okay to shave while the beard is not okay to shave. Thats what i said regarding to the post i quoted. I see you twisted my words. Typical. Then a post after that I said it looks funny though (when people have no mustache but have a beard). Then the drama started and accusations were thrown here and there.

[truepath]

well I guess I gotta quote you again and I must say I have quoted you as it is without deleting even a single syllable from your statements.

yup mustache is okay..its the beard thats not okay.

In this statement you did not use the words 'to shave', so perhaps it was a genuine mistake and misunderstanding on my part as I did not notice or read the quoted text to which you were replying. And I dont come with a planned agenta of 'twisting' or distorting someone's statement, not even a kaffir's. So yes, my mistake in misreading and misunderstand your statement there for which I would say my apologies wholeheartedly and unconditionally

it looks really funny anyway when you have beard and no mustache

Again this is a completely unedited quote.

And this statement from you has contributed to misreading and misunderstanding from my side, where you clearly stated that beard without moustache looks funny.

So when you are clearly saying in this statement that it looks funny, so if I or anyone misunderstands your previous statement then its not their fault.

Besides that, neither you nor anyone of your anti-tablighi brigade said not a single word to that fool who branded people as 'perverts, homosexuals and peodophiles.

And for what reasons did he use these perverted terminologies? Why? Because they practice something which is sunnah? And why didn't you or anyone of your anti-tablighi brigade say anything to him when hes using such disgusting terminologies against people who practice an authentic and highly established sunnah? Instead of saying anything to him, you contribute with him by saying "it looks funny".

Just because hes anti-tablighi and so you are, hence I guess for you and rest of your crew, it is fine whatever people say even tho if its against truth and insulting to the sacred practices of prophet.


Okay so now all the sufis team up and say that I am saying statements of kufr. ha If you dont give a damn about my veiws don't read them or comment on em wise guy.

Btw you sooooooooo misquoted me up there I quoted the other post saying that Mustache is okay to shave while the beard is not okay to shave. Thats what i said regarding to the post i quoted. I see you twisted my words. Typical. Then a post after that I said it looks funny though (when people have no mustache but have a beard). Then the drama started and accusations were thrown here and there.

It was your job to clarify the statement like you have done here. By stating it clearly, so neither nor anyone of us would have had any misunderstandings.

And what has anything being discussed on this thread to do with "sufis"? Even Abu Musab has critisized you and neither hes tablgihi and I have the impression that hes away from sufis or sufism by miles.

The problem with you and the likes of you is, when you are critisized for something, you come up with the same lame line always, saying "sufis" givin hard time. When you have such an ignorant mentality that instead of using reasoning, u respond with senseless statements, (yes i would say senseless statement because you have shown that by making a 'looks funny' comment instead of slaping that fool for using perverted language against a sacred practice) then no wonder you or your brothers got a messed up knowledge about tablighis and their effort, based on which you and your crew brand them as sufis.

Funny thing is, sufi/barelwi people also brand tablighis as 'wahabis' lol. You lot push tablighis into sufi basket based on your warped understanding and knowledge. And sufi/barelwis put tablighis into 'wahabi' basket for same warped understanding like you have about tablighis.

Sincerity towards Allah and his Rasool, towards deen and akhirah demands a sincere and unbiased approach towards everything. Like sahaba had they were so sincere with the covenant towards Allah and his rasool that they were ready to kill their own father if they stood against Allah and his rasool. Infact, they did and I am sure you know about such sahaba who killed their own father in the battles because they stood against Allah and his Rasool. Because they stood against Haq.

Here, sincerity in this case, would demand you to dismiss that fools perverted comments (such as homosexuals and peodophiles ) with utmost disgust. However, I have NOT seen you or the likes of you, not a single anti-tablighi or non-tablighi brigade, criticizing him or telling him off. Not a single non-tablighi rejected his statement or told him off. To rub salt to the insult, you have contributed to it by making comments such as 'looks funny'

Hence, this time, please do me and also yourself a favor, read my reply carefully. Think over it. Ponder over it then reply back whether your approach in this was sincere or was it tee-total biased.

[truepath]

Where's med? Didn't he have proof that Abu Hurayrah (RA) shaved mustache? There are many TJers who keep it, it is considered sunnah or closer to sunnah in Shafi'i madhab.

Prior to this post from you, another user uses terminologies such as perverted, homosexuals and peodophiles towards a sunnah practice.

I did not see any critisizm from you. Nor did you say anything to him for making such a disgusting comment.

Calm down on the salafi bashing akhi.

You made this comment to me when I gave a harsh reply that included several ahadith from bukhari and muslim.

Can people, especially those on a TJ line, please remember your adab. Have any of you ever sat with 'ulema of TJ? Do they ever use this kind of language?

And here you again remind tablighis about adab. Why is that?

Do you think you have been sent as a warner into this world just to remind of adab ONLY to tablighis? And the rest of the muslims have license to use any language - free style, in anyway they can, including words such as homosexuals and peodophiles when refering it to a sunnah practice just because it is a practice followed mainly/mostly by tablighis? Yet theres no criticism from you. Is this a fair and unbiased approach?

Why do tablighis have to be careful of adab, when anti-tablighis literally butcher and slaughter them with their verbal abuses. And if tablighis react then they are reminded by the noble ones of this world about the adab.

Every action has an equal and opposite reactions. And, in this thread tablighis or pro tablighis have only reacted, if you know what I mean. Check all the messages in this thread and decide yourself whether tablighis or pro tablighis have initiated an attack or reacted to an attack on them.

So people who remind tablighis about adab, while ignoring anything and everything anti-tablighi brigade says, then to them my answer is: stick your advice where the sun doesn't shines because I do not pay any heed to any advice that comes from a biased person who has a biased approach.

Enough said I guess.

Wassalaam.